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Patriots being investigated after Colts game (7 Viewers)

Percent of NFL teams actively trying to steal play sheets?

  • 0%

    Votes: 90 33.0%

  • 25%

    Votes: 91 33.3%

  • 50%

    Votes: 19 7.0%

  • 75%

    Votes: 16 5.9%

  • 100%

    Votes: 57 20.9%
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If this is true, Kraft is going to be furious with Belichick. He made it pretty clear after,Spygate that another embarrassing incident wouldn't be tolerated.

This just sucks, as a Pats fan.

 
cmv5 said:
So, this gets the mind going. That Tennessee Titans whipping in bad weather. All those other cold weather games. How can there not always be questions if this ends up being true?
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Not to mention that it must have been a lot easier to attempt a "tuck" during a cold winter against the Raiders... good Lord!! Somebody call Ray!

 
It's always interesting to watch Pats fans cycle through the five stages of grief each time the Patriots are involved in a cheating scandal.

1. Denial - Why would the Patriots need to cheat? There is no way Belichick (the greatest coach in the history of the sport) would do this. He doesn't need to.

2. Anger - Haters gonna hate! All of you are just jealous of what the Pats have accomplished. TFB!

3. Bargaining or Deflection - See! Rodgers made a comment about his balls. Others cheat as well so we're not the only ones! If anything it was probably just the lone ball boy on the grassy knoll.

4. Depression - Ugh - we don't need this distraction right now. We need to focus on what's important.

5. Denial once again (as there is never any acceptance) - it's just a league wide conspiracy against the Pats orchestrated by the former Jets employee Goodell!

 
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Dragon1952 said:
rockaction said:
Judging from the response by both the officials and the league, this doesn't seem to be anything close to "a joke," as the idiot above me puts it.
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Yeah, "including but not limited to, a fine of $25,000." That's huge and has got to be at least what the Seahawks spend per year for Lynch's supply of Skittles. I mean, we're talking epic.
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You're not reading carefully. That's a trap. Look at the last four words of the bolded phrase. "…but not limited to…" What do you think that phrase means?
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Well, considering the base of $25,000, I would find it hard to believe that it would end up being anything monumental. It's like saying a crime is punishable by a $25K fine or life in prison.

 
Witz said:
It's always interesting to watch Pats fans cycle through the five stages of grief each time the Patriots are involved in a cheating scandal.

1. Denial - Why would the Patriots need to cheat? There is no way Belichick (the greatest coach in the history of the sport) would do this. He doesn't need to.

2. Anger - Haters gonna hate! All of you are just jealous of what the Pats have accomplished. TFB!

3. Bargaining or Deflection - See! Rodgers made a comment about his balls. Others cheat as well so we're not the only ones! If anything it was probably just the lone ball boy on the grassy knoll.

4. Depression - Ugh - we don't need this distraction right now. We need to focus on what's important.

5. Denial once again (as there is never any acceptance) - it's just a league wide conspiracy against the Pats orchestrated by the former Jets employee Goodell!
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Who clearly was biased against the Patriots when he disposed of all the evidence without any oversight or comment.

You almost have to wonder if he isn't sick of the hot garbage the Pats dump in his lap every year.

 
Can someone explain the "it's not breaking the rules if the refs didn't catch us" logic? Having a tough time with that one. I get the the homers are trying to distract from the issue by trying to say this had nothing to do with the game outcome. But that has nothing to do with whether or not the rules were broken..

 
these Patriots were cheating... again. and got caught, AGAIN. what do you say now Pats fans? Brady > Montana? Pats best ever? They dont even have ONE superbowl win without some kind of controversy. Makes the NFL look bad.

 
Just thinking about this and a 2 psi drop represents a temperature change of about 40 degrees (F). Off the top of my head there are only four explanations of how this happened.

1) Fill the balls with hot air say 80 to 90 degrees. Over time the air inside cools and the psi decreases. Since all the weigh in etc. happen well before the actual game this leaves plenty of time for the pressure to drop. Most likely explanation IMO.

2) Faulty pressure gauge. Not likely given the QC and independent checks.

3) Some kind of manufacturer defect or a faulty batch of balls. Very unlikely but possible.

4) Someone let the air out. Possible but seems unlikely to me. Too easy to get caught. I have to think someone would notice a person letting air out of 11 footballs.

So if the Patriots did accomplish this by using hot air its kind of brilliant. They met the weigh in requirements and let physics do the rest.

 
Aaron Rodgers admitted to having balls over-inflated and hoping the refs wouldn't notice (as he prefers over-inflated balls... cheater!)

Best bet here is the same thing: The Patriots prepared their balls the way they wanted them, and the refs failed to properly vet them. You wanna call that vile, despicable cheating (!!!) then have at 'er... as spygate proved, the Hatriots can make enough noise to take money out of Belichick's wallet, but not enough to make the average fan really care (they sure do try though, God Bless 'em)!

The Pats are about to play a team of 'roid monkeys in the Superbowl, but they're the cheaters because seven years ago they had a guy with a camcorder on their sidelines and now, of course, because of this horse####.

(BTW, since the Colts filed the complaint and it was an Indy writer who broke the story, we can safely say this literally is horse####).

 
SacramentoBob said:
Can someone explain the "it's not breaking the rules if the refs didn't catch us" logic? Having a tough time with that one. I get the the homers are trying to distract from the issue by trying to say this had nothing to do with the game outcome. But that has nothing to do with whether or not the rules were broken..
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Fair question. I imagine that many qbs have preferences when it comes to their footballs. Years ago, punters and kickers took balls home and put them in their dryers. Baseball players do all sorts of things to get the ball "right". I cant imagine qbs are any different.

So maybe Tom likes his footballs a little on the under inflated side. The team gets them how he likes them. The footballs consistently pass inspection. The refs handle the ball on every play and continue to allow the balls to be used.

Unless you expect the Pats to concern themselves with the psi of every football during the game and whether or not its regulation, you have to pass the responsibility on to the refs. It's the job of the refs. The pats submit the balls to the refs, and the refs approve them.

It isn't cheating if the refs allow it. It's quite simple.

Unless the pats have some ball deflater on the sideline secretly deflating balls throughout the game, it's a non issue in my opinion. And even if that unlikely scenario were happening, the refs touch the ball every play and Would likely figure this out if it was a dramatic, tangible difference.

And when a ball is ruled unfit for use, the refs take it out if the game immediately, this nullifying the "advantage" some of you think the pats were going for.

 
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shader said:
SacramentoBob said:
Can someone explain the "it's not breaking the rules if the refs didn't catch us" logic? Having a tough time with that one. I get the the homers are trying to distract from the issue by trying to say this had nothing to do with the game outcome. But that has nothing to do with whether or not the rules were broken..
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Fair question. I imagine that many qbs have preferences when it comes to their footballs. Years ago, punters and kickers took balls home and put them in their dryers. Baseball players do all sorts of things to get the ball "right".I cant imagine qbs are any different.

So maybe Tom likes his footballs a little on the under inflated side. The team gets them how he likes them. The footballs consistently pass inspection. The refs handle the ball on every play and continue to allow the balls to be used.

Unless you expect the Pats to concern themselves with the psi of every football during the game and whether or not its regulation, you have to pass the responsibility on to the refs. It's the job of the refs. The pats submit the balls to the refs, and the refs approve them.

It isn't cheating if the refs allow it. It's quite simple.

Unless the pats have some ball deflater on the sideline secretly deflating balls throughout the game, it's a non issue in my opinion. And even if that unlikely scenario were happening, the refs touch the ball every play and Would likely figure this out if it was a dramatic, tangible difference.

And when a ball is ruled unfit for use, the refs take it out if the game immediately, this nullifying the "advantage" some of you think the pats were going for.
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Seemed like they were glaringly throwing balls out to the detriment of the clock watching the replay.

Sors, bro.

 
lilathebeast said:
these Patriots were cheating... again. and got caught, AGAIN. what do you say now Pats fans? Brady > Montana? Pats best ever? They dont even have ONE superbowl win without some kind of controversy. Makes the NFL look bad.
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WE'RE GOIN' TO THE SUPERBOWWWWWLLLLLLLL, TROLL!!!!!!!!

suck it

 
cmv5 said:
So, if true, this is no big deal to any Pats fans? What kind of cheating would not be acceptable?
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Honestly, I'm now very concerned as a Pats fan. And a football fan. If this is proven to be the work of the Patriots then I'd have no trouble with the NFL throwing the book at them. To the point where I'd want Belichik to be canned.But let's see the evidence first. Hopefully they measured the pressure on the Colts' footballs at the same exact time so we have a concrete comparison. I'm hearing it is possible for all the balls to have deflated to tis level purely due to the change in temp / air pressure. We'll see. Can't for the life of me imagine the Pats risking so much for so little.

 
For the record, I don't see what the big deal is. If the refs didn't see it as a problem until Jackson pointed it out, seems that is one more lack of theoretical understanding of the rule book. NFL needs to cut the #### and make things black and white for refs. The vagueness has become maddening.

 
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jonessed said:
It will be interesting to find out how they altered the balls after the weigh in.
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How about damaging the valve stem somehow to create a slow but steady leak? Seems easy enough.
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Could be. Whatever it is I suspect it's not going to be pretty. Something like this has to be pretty contrived. The media build-up leading to the Super Bowl is going to be massive. Another black eye for the NFL. What awful timing.

 
General Tso said:
cmv5 said:
So, if true, this is no big deal to any Pats fans? What kind of cheating would not be acceptable?
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Honestly, I'm now very concerned as a Pats fan. And a football fan. If this is proven to be the work of the Patriots then I'd have no trouble with the NFL throwing the book at them. To the point where I'd want Belichik to be canned.But let's see the evidence first. Hopefully they measured the pressure on the Colts' footballs at the same exact time so we have a concrete comparison. I'm hearing it is possible for all the balls to have deflated to tis level purely due to the change in temp / air pressure. We'll see. Can't for the life of me imagine the Pats risking so much for so little.
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Belichick will run off of the field like a baby without shaking hands when he loses. He's always been temperamental, and weird. There's nothing to suggest that his obsessiveness wouldn't culminate in something like this.

My feeling is that the NFL will poo-poo this and bury it, or that there is some erroneous reporting. I can't imagine Goodell's Stern-esque league doing anything but paving the way for corporate sponsors, donors, and the billion-dollar industry at stake. If Stern couldn't rein in corrupt refs, what the hell are deflated balls?

 
jonessed said:
I can't believe they got caught cheating again. Just unbelievable. It must be ingrained in the organization.
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their oc was fired from his only head coaching gig after getting caught cheating (and losing the game they were caught cheating) too. but, yeah, you gais are haterrzzzz

 
I am no scientist, but if the Pats had the balls at the lowest allowable pressure indoors at the inspection 2:15 before game time, could the pressure of the balls have gone well below the pressure limit in the cold and being used hours later?

 
Man, this is just Christmas for Pats haters! :excited:

Seriously though, this is an incredibly boring story. 2 psi under-inflation of a football? zzzzzzzzzz

I don't care about the Pats, and I care about this "story" even less.

 
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nxmehta said:
Man, this is just Christmas for Pats haters! :excited:

Seriously though, this is an incredibly boring story. 2 psi under-inflation of a football? zzzzzzzzzz

I don't care about the Pats, and I care about this "story" even less.
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Nice. Everybody else does. 2 PSI is pretty significant when 2 PSI and constant circumvention of the rules might have got you a win vs. B'More.

 
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