Patriots being investigated after Colts game (3 Viewers)

[Ditkaless Wonders]

To my knowledge no former coach, player, or discharged ball boy has come out to bolster any claims. You would think one of them would be disgruntled enough to drop a dime, and yet silence. Hell, at least a few of them have already claimed Bill Cosby drugged and raped them, but have not made this disclosure yet.

 

[Old Smiley]

The NFL isn't stupid, everything thing they do is very calculated to ultimately to do one thing, increase revenue.

I think they're stupid. You can be stupid and calculating at the same time.

 

[parrot]

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=12226227

First time seeing this? Cmon man, try to keep up.

First time seeing it. Nye pretty much destroys BB.

This has already been discussed to death in here. He doesn't destroy BB at all.

He also lived in Seattle and is an avid Seahawks fan and says "GO HAWKS" at the end of it. Jeez, even the most irrational Anti-Pats fans in here aren't putting anything into Nye's video.

I meant as someone who is informed in the realm of science. You need to relax.

pretty relaxed. This is just old news... nice backtracking though.

Old news? Laughable.

Bill Nye saying that cold weather will not lower PSI is laughable.

Does he have any scientific evidence to disprove the Ideal Gas Law? It is generally accepted science and easily proven, and there are plenty of experiments showing it in action:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxsXFX3tDpg

This is one of the downsides to being a science geek and never trying to play basketball in the driveway in the winter.

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

The NFL isn't stupid, everything thing they do is very calculated to ultimately to do one thing, increase revenue.

I think they're stupid. You can be stupid and calculating at the same time.

There is proof enough of that in this thread alone.

 

[ROCKET]

To my knowledge no former coach, player, or discharged ball boy has come out to bolster any claims. You would think one of them would be disgruntled enough to drop a dime, and yet silence. Hell, at least a few of them have already claimed Bill Cosby drugged and raped them, but have not made this disclosure yet.

What if you were a former ball boy/equipment manager and TMZ offers you 500K for an exclusive interview. Would you make up a story and cash in? No one could disprove you. As a Pats fan this is the scenario I fear the most.

 

[TDorBust]

One of the parts of this thread I love the best is that, apparently, we need Professors at MIT to opine on matters understood well by many middle school students.

I think it goes back to:

Ball must be submitted with between 12.5 to 13.5 PSI (1.0 PSI difference)

Patriots balls lost around 2.0 PSI

Colts balls as we know did not fall below the 12.5 PSI mark (I would assume the NFL would be investigating them as well if they were)

How can the Patriots balls lose 2.0 PSI but the Colts balls even at the highest limit allowed then not drop over 1.0 PSI to become illegal?

This is why I keep saying wait for the NFL to release its ruling. I know there is going to be some major homer-ism trying to point to the fact that balls will lose PSI in a cooler temperature but the weather should have affected all balls unless the Colts have some magical bag for the balls that the Patriots don't? Who knows possibly the Colts balls did lose 2.0 PSI but at this point I am under the assumption that at most the Colts balls went from 13.5 down to 12.5 at the very maximum.

This is the only argument needed as the Colts balls can be looked at like a control group who went under the same approximate weather conditions and handling the only difference would be one set of balls had the Patriots handle them and the other set was handled by the Colts.

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

I just hope the Ball Boy who participated was named ****. I can hear Brady now, "Hey, bring your needle, ****! Eventually the guy would just become known as Needle ****. I hope the thorough investigation asks the questions of whether anyone around the facility is known as "Needle ****".

 

[Run It Up]

Colts balls as we know did not fall below the 12.5 PSI mark (I would assume the NFL would be investigating them as well if they were)

We don't know this. All we know is somewhere at sometime the Colts balls were measured and found to be inline.

 

[James Daulton]

Colts balls as we know did not fall below the 12.5 PSI mark (I would assume the NFL would be investigating them as well if they were)

We don't know this. All we know is somewhere at sometime the Colts balls were measured and found to be inline.

I've heard multiple times that both sets of balls were measured at halftime. Colts were good, Pats were underinflated.

 

[Run It Up]

Colts balls as we know did not fall below the 12.5 PSI mark (I would assume the NFL would be investigating them as well if they were)

We don't know this. All we know is somewhere at sometime the Colts balls were measured and found to be inline.

I've heard multiple times that both sets of balls were measured at halftime. Colts were good, Pats were underinflated.

Got a link by chance?

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

Colts balls as we know did not fall below the 12.5 PSI mark (I would assume the NFL would be investigating them as well if they were)

We don't know this. All we know is somewhere at sometime the Colts balls were measured and found to be inline.

I've heard multiple times that both sets of balls were measured at halftime. Colts were good, Pats were underinflated.

I have heard this as well, but thus far it is from anonymous "sources". I await hearing whether all balls were tested at halftime under similar temperature settings, and under similar warming times. If one set of balls were allowed to warm longer than the other, well then we do not have a control group after all. Also, control groups need to have a confirmed starting point, so I would need to know both sets of balls had an inflation record from before the game. Even if they were inflated to different levels the math could accommodate for that.

 

[Da Guru]

The NFL should play this up. After the coin toss Goodell,Blandino and a team of MIT scientists that certified inflation should wheel out a sealed vault with Coca-Cola, GM, Ford, Apple, Gatorade, Dorito logos all over it containing the 24 Super Bowl game balls that were inflated to 12.5 PSI. Have Geraldo Riveria break the seal of the vault with Pete and Billy standing there and announce the games balls are indeed the proper PSI.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

I just hope the Ball Boy who participated was named ****. I can hear Brady now, "Hey, bring your needle, ****! Eventually the guy would just become known as Needle ****. I hope the thorough investigation asks the questions of whether anyone around the facility is known as "Needle ****".

Unrelated story (I think), but when I was in college, one summer I worked for a factory that sends out bulk "junk" mailings. I still remember seeing one envelope that was addressed to Scott Needledick and all I could thing of is the abuse this poor guy must have sustained over his lifetime, especially high school.

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

I just hope the Ball Boy who participated was named ****. I can hear Brady now, "Hey, bring your needle, ****! Eventually the guy would just become known as Needle ****. I hope the thorough investigation asks the questions of whether anyone around the facility is known as "Needle ****".

Unrelated story (I think), but when I was in college, one summer I worked for a factory that sends out bulk "junk" mailings. I still remember seeing one envelope that was addressed to Scott Needledick and all I could thing of is the abuse this poor guy must have sustained over his lifetime, especially high school.

He should have changed it to Scott Hitler, to reduce the abuse.

 

[Old Smiley]

Dan Wetzel:

Did NFL run sting operation on Patriots to trigger deflate-gate?

 

[Run It Up]

Dan Wetzel:

Did NFL run sting operation on Patriots to trigger deflate-gate?

Its being heavily insinuated today. I don't know, but I've been curious what prompted them to check balls to begin with - especially after most of the reports that came out about that specifically were denied almost immediately.

 

[JIslander]

So if what BB and Brady say are true, that there's nobody sticking a needle in to deflate the balls after official measurement, how does that really resolve the issue? other than to say again, we didn't deflate "within the rules". Based on the fumbling statistics provided, it appears the Pats were still getting a significant advantage which could be directly attributed to the football prep process. And to say they had no idea that their process resulted in balls deflated less than regulation is being pretty disingenuous.

 

[Tango]

Colts balls as we know did not fall below the 12.5 PSI mark (I would assume the NFL would be investigating them as well if they were)

We don't know this. All we know is somewhere at sometime the Colts balls were measured and found to be inline.

I've heard multiple times that both sets of balls were measured at halftime. Colts were good, Pats were underinflated.

Got a link by chance?

Sure, here's one:

"The investigation found the footballs were inflated 2 pounds per square inch below what's required by NFL regulations during the Pats' 45-7 victory over the Indianapolis Colts, according to sources.

"We are not commenting at this time," said Greg Aiello, the NFL's senior vice president of communications.

League sources have confirmed that the footballs were properly inspected and approved by referee Walt Anderson 2 hours and 15 minutes before kickoff, before they were returned to each team.

ESPN Sports Radio 810 in Kansas City reported that the Patriots' footballs were tested at the half, reinflated at that time when they were found to be low, then put back in play for the second half, and then tested again after the game. The report did not reveal the results of the test following the game. All of the balls the Colts used met standards, according to the report."

 

[Flying Elvis]

BB

So if what BB and Brady say are true, that there's nobody sticking a needle in to deflate the balls after official measurement, how does that really resolve the issue? other than to say again, we didn't deflate "within the rules". Based on the fumbling statistics provided, it appears the Pats were still getting a significant advantage which could be directly attributed to the football prep process. And to say they had no idea that their process resulted in balls deflated less than regulation is being pretty disingenuous.

BB clearly put that onus on the refs, where it belonged in the first place. The refs are to be supplied with footballs for testing and supplied with a pump to correct the PSI.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

So if what BB and Brady say are true, that there's nobody sticking a needle in to deflate the balls after official measurement, how does that really resolve the issue? other than to say again, we didn't deflate "within the rules". Based on the fumbling statistics provided, it appears the Pats were still getting a significant advantage which could be directly attributed to the football prep process. And to say they had no idea that their process resulted in balls deflated less than regulation is being pretty disingenuous.

There's many things that can be attributed to, to be fair.

 

[AhrnCityPahnder]

I just hope the Ball Boy who participated was named ****. I can hear Brady now, "Hey, bring your needle, ****! Eventually the guy would just become known as Needle ****. I hope the thorough investigation asks the questions of whether anyone around the facility is known as "Needle ****".

NSFW. Needle **** from Dan Clowes' old Eightball comics

 

[12punch]

WINNERS:

Tom Brady

Bill Belichick

The good people of the City of New England

Scientists and logical thinkers everywhere

LOSERS:

Salty Haters

Harbaw

Chris Mortenson

Mainstream Media In General

Bill Nye

Who am I forgetting?

Losers

Goodell

NFL

Everyone

Losers:

Jets (if they in fact did set off this #### storm)

even if they had nothing to do with it

 

[Tenacious]

So if what BB and Brady say are true, that there's nobody sticking a needle in to deflate the balls after official measurement, how does that really resolve the issue? other than to say again, we didn't deflate "within the rules". Based on the fumbling statistics provided, it appears the Pats were still getting a significant advantage which could be directly attributed to the football prep process. And to say they had no idea that their process resulted in balls deflated less than regulation is being pretty disingenuous.

Significant?

You sure about that?

Checking your posting history, you seem to have drawn some conclusions early that you're unwilling to back down from, regardless of the mounting body of evidence to refute said conclusions. People like you are seeing whatever they want to see in this faux "scandal".

 

[parrot]

So if what BB and Brady say are true, that there's nobody sticking a needle in to deflate the balls after official measurement, how does that really resolve the issue? other than to say again, we didn't deflate "within the rules". Based on the fumbling statistics provided, it appears the Pats were still getting a significant advantage which could be directly attributed to the football prep process. And to say they had no idea that their process resulted in balls deflated less than regulation is being pretty disingenuous.

Since we're just pulling stuff out of our asses, it "could" also be attributed to God being a Patriots fan.

It's funny how that guy doing all the work on the fumble stats hasn't done anything with dropped passes, since the Pats' balls are so much "easier to catch". I wonder if that's because the Pats are 3rd worst in dropped passes over the last 5 years? Nah, that's probably not it.

 

[theplayer11]

So to summarize..Pats balls filled to 12.5 PSI, Colts to 13.5, the science has proven the PSI would drop 1 PSI from 70 degrees to 50.(not to mention the other CM analysis that a wet ball would drop another .7 PSI)

Pats balls drop to 11.5 PSI,below the limit, Colts drop to 12.5 PSI, still legal.

End of disccussion..Much to do about nothing..The NFL leak got the media in a frenzy becuae the evil Patriots and Bellichick were up to something fishy again. They ran with it and all the Pats haters ate it up. The NFL network and ESPN is filled with x players who hate the Pats because they eliminated them so often..they jumped on the bandwagon.

 

[Run It Up]

Colts balls as we know did not fall below the 12.5 PSI mark (I would assume the NFL would be investigating them as well if they were)

We don't know this. All we know is somewhere at sometime the Colts balls were measured and found to be inline.

I've heard multiple times that both sets of balls were measured at halftime. Colts were good, Pats were underinflated.

Got a link by chance?

Sure, here's one:

"The investigation found the footballs were inflated 2 pounds per square inch below what's required by NFL regulations during the Pats' 45-7 victory over the Indianapolis Colts, according to sources.

"We are not commenting at this time," said Greg Aiello, the NFL's senior vice president of communications.

League sources have confirmed that the footballs were properly inspected and approved by referee Walt Anderson 2 hours and 15 minutes before kickoff, before they were returned to each team.

ESPN Sports Radio 810 in Kansas City reported that the Patriots' footballs were tested at the half, reinflated at that time when they were found to be low, then put back in play for the second half, and then tested again after the game. The report did not reveal the results of the test following the game. All of the balls the Colts used met standards, according to the report."

You don't see how that doesn't say what he's saying? It's saying what I said...

 

[Tenacious]

So to summarize..Pats balls filled to 12.5 PSI, Colts to 13.5, the science has proven the PSI would drop 1 PSI from 70 degrees to 50.(not to mention theother CM analysis that a wet ball would drop another .7 PSI)

Pats balls drop to 11.5 PSI,below the limit, Colts drop to 12.5 PSI, still legal.

End of disccussion..

Glad that many of you in this thread are capable of logical thought. It's refreshing actually.

 

[JIslander]

So if what BB and Brady say are true, that there's nobody sticking a needle in to deflate the balls after official measurement, how does that really resolve the issue? other than to say again, we didn't deflate "within the rules". Based on the fumbling statistics provided, it appears the Pats were still getting a significant advantage which could be directly attributed to the football prep process. And to say they had no idea that their process resulted in balls deflated less than regulation is being pretty disingenuous.

Significant?

You sure about that?

Checking your posting history, you seem to have drawn some conclusions early that you're unwilling to back down from, regardless of the mounting body of evidence to refute said conclusions. People like you are seeing whatever they want to see in this faux "scandal".

I'd say the results of the fumble study data is significant, yes. And to your other point, that goes both ways here obviously.

 

[HobbesAB]

http://larrybrownsports.com/football/10-patriots-balls-only-one-pound-under-inflated/253533

According to Mike Florio of Pro Football Talk, 10 of the under-inflated game balls that the New England Patriots allegedly used in the AFC Championship Game were closer to one pound under 12.5 PSI. Chris Mortensen of ESPN reported last week that 11 of New England’s 12 balls were two PSI under the league requirement.

To make make matters more interesting, Florio’s source claims the only ball that came in two pounds under 12.5 PSI was the one that was intercepted by Indianapolis Colts linebacker D’Qwell Jackson and taken to the Indy sideline.

 

[Tenacious]

So if what BB and Brady say are true, that there's nobody sticking a needle in to deflate the balls after official measurement, how does that really resolve the issue? other than to say again, we didn't deflate "within the rules". Based on the fumbling statistics provided, it appears the Pats were still getting a significant advantage which could be directly attributed to the football prep process. And to say they had no idea that their process resulted in balls deflated less than regulation is being pretty disingenuous.

Significant?

You sure about that?

Checking your posting history, you seem to have drawn some conclusions early that you're unwilling to back down from, regardless of the mounting body of evidence to refute said conclusions. People like you are seeing whatever they want to see in this faux "scandal".

I'd say the results of the fumble study data is significant, yes. And to your other point, that goes both ways here obviously.

Really? Did you check my posting history?

 

[James Daulton]

What about the Colts alerting the NFL that the Pats balls were underinflated from their game earlier in the year? In that game the weather couldn't be an excuse for the dropped psi. I'd still wager that this will not end well for the Pats.

 

[HobbesAB]

http://larrybrownsports.com/football/mike-kensil-jets-executive-deflategate/253527

Tom E. Curran of CSNNE.com reports that multiple sources have told him that NFL vice president of game operations Mike Kensil is the “driving force” behind the Deflategate investigation. Kensil, who was on-site at the AFC Championship Game in Foxboro, was the director of football operations for the New York Jets for nearly 20 years. He apparently took an interest in the possibility of the Patriots using under-inflated balls earlier this season.

 

[Tenacious]

There's never been more 'ado' made about 'nothing' than Deflate-gate.

On the bright side, it has brought peoples true colors out. Some are reasoned and logical. Many are not and see what they want to see.

 

[HobbesAB]

What about the Colts alerting the NFL that the Pats balls were underinflated from their game earlier in the year? In that game the weather couldn't be an excuse for the dropped psi. I'd still wager that this will not end well for the Pats.

Were those footballs actually measured? I don't remember. To my knowledge, only 1 football from the Colts has actually been measured with the number released - the one that was intercepted by Jackson.

 

[JIslander]

So if what BB and Brady say are true, that there's nobody sticking a needle in to deflate the balls after official measurement, how does that really resolve the issue? other than to say again, we didn't deflate "within the rules". Based on the fumbling statistics provided, it appears the Pats were still getting a significant advantage which could be directly attributed to the football prep process. And to say they had no idea that their process resulted in balls deflated less than regulation is being pretty disingenuous.

Significant?

You sure about that?

Checking your posting history, you seem to have drawn some conclusions early that you're unwilling to back down from, regardless of the mounting body of evidence to refute said conclusions. People like you are seeing whatever they want to see in this faux "scandal".

I'd say the results of the fumble study data is significant, yes. And to your other point, that goes both ways here obviously.

Really? Did you check my posting history?

umm no, "here" didn't infer "you"

 

[Insomniac]

One of the parts of this thread I love the best is that, apparently, we need Professors at MIT to opine on matters understood well by many middle school students.

I think it goes back to:

Ball must be submitted with between 12.5 to 13.5 PSI (1.0 PSI difference)

Patriots balls lost around 2.0 PSI

Colts balls as we know did not fall below the 12.5 PSI mark (I would assume the NFL would be investigating them as well if they were)

How can the Patriots balls lose 2.0 PSI but the Colts balls even at the highest limit allowed then not drop over 1.0 PSI to become illegal?

This is why I keep saying wait for the NFL to release its ruling. I know there is going to be some major homer-ism trying to point to the fact that balls will lose PSI in a cooler temperature but the weather should have affected all balls unless the Colts have some magical bag for the balls that the Patriots don't? Who knows possibly the Colts balls did lose 2.0 PSI but at this point I am under the assumption that at most the Colts balls went from 13.5 down to 12.5 at the very maximum.

This is the only argument needed as the Colts balls can be looked at like a control group who went under the same approximate weather conditions and handling the only difference would be one set of balls had the Patriots handle them and the other set was handled by the Colts.

It's possible the Colts balls were in an unheated area before being taken to the refs for testing. If that's true then the temperature of the air in the ball was ~50 degrees when tested so it would not have lost pressure.

 

[12punch]

From Mike Taniers column this morning:

But I have two specific punishments for the Patriots that have nothing to do with canceling the Super Bowl or vacating all of their championships and sending three Lombardi Trophies to Marty Hundley to make him feel better:

1) Sportswriters are banned from using the phrase "The Patriots Way" forever.

The phrase should be flagged with a purple underline by word processors. The Patriots Way is a big reason why we are in the Deflategate predicament. The Patriots have never been allowed to be a team that won bunches of football games because they are well-organized and have lots of great players. The New England-based sports media military industrial complex insisted on declaring them our intellectual, moral and philosophical betters.

Every champion is going to enjoy some undue butt kissing, but The Patriots Way is unique and excessive. There's no San Antonio Spurs Way, even though the Spurs are the Patriots of the NBA. The Steelers won multiple championships in the last decade without inspiring some quasi-religious Steelers Way.

and that's why they're just the spurs

they're the patriots of basketball -- I never heard anybody say the patriots are the spurs of football

 

[Old Smiley]

So if what BB and Brady say are true, that there's nobody sticking a needle in to deflate the balls after official measurement, how does that really resolve the issue? other than to say again, we didn't deflate "within the rules". Based on the fumbling statistics provided, it appears the Pats were still getting a significant advantage which could be directly attributed to the football prep process. And to say they had no idea that their process resulted in balls deflated less than regulation is being pretty disingenuous.

Significant?

You sure about that?

Checking your posting history, you seem to have drawn some conclusions early that you're unwilling to back down from, regardless of the mounting body of evidence to refute said conclusions. People like you are seeing whatever they want to see in this faux "scandal".

I'd say the results of the fumble study data is significant, yes. And to your other point, that goes both ways here obviously.

Bill Barnwell, an advanced metrics and all things numbers guy, said that study "Screams Wyatt Earp effect." Last year the jags were better than the pats at putting balls on the ground, and the year before that pats were ninth WORST at it. Sometimes an outlier's just an outlier.

 

[Tango]

Colts balls as we know did not fall below the 12.5 PSI mark (I would assume the NFL would be investigating them as well if they were)

We don't know this. All we know is somewhere at sometime the Colts balls were measured and found to be inline.

I've heard multiple times that both sets of balls were measured at halftime. Colts were good, Pats were underinflated.

Got a link by chance?

Sure, here's one:

"The investigation found the footballs were inflated 2 pounds per square inch below what's required by NFL regulations during the Pats' 45-7 victory over the Indianapolis Colts, according to sources.

"We are not commenting at this time," said Greg Aiello, the NFL's senior vice president of communications.

League sources have confirmed that the footballs were properly inspected and approved by referee Walt Anderson 2 hours and 15 minutes before kickoff, before they were returned to each team.

ESPN Sports Radio 810 in Kansas City reported that the Patriots' footballs were tested at the half, reinflated at that time when they were found to be low, then put back in play for the second half, and then tested again after the game. The report did not reveal the results of the test following the game. All of the balls the Colts used met standards, according to the report."

You don't see how that doesn't say what he's saying? It's saying what I said...

It says that the Pats balls were illegal at halftime and that the Colts were legal...despite being subject to similar atmospheric conditions for nearly all of time in-between.

Im not sure and dont care what was said by others...as I m not trying to prove you or anyone else wrong.

Just re-stating that the Colts balls tested ok, the Pats didnt.

 

[GoBirds]

HobbesAB, on 26 Jan 2015 - 11:09 AM, said:http://larrybrownsports.com/football/mike-kensil-jets-executive-deflategate/253527

QuoteTom E. Curran of CSNNE.com reports that multiple sources have told him that NFL vice president of game operations Mike Kensil is the “driving force” behind the Deflategate investigation. Kensil, who was on-site at the AFC Championship Game in Foxboro, was the director of football operations for the New York Jets for nearly 20 years. He apparently took an interest in the possibility of the Patriots using under-inflated balls earlier this season.

Wow this guy is a sketch ball for sure.

Hows the snow up there?

 

[12punch]

What about the Colts alerting the NFL that the Pats balls were underinflated from their game earlier in the year? In that game the weather couldn't be an excuse for the dropped psi. I'd still wager that this will not end well for the Pats.

I think the question of the mystery axe grinder is about the only interesting point in all of this.

colts picked off 1 or 2 balls in that game, I think, and the guy who picked them kept them.

they would've passed through the hands of an equipment mgr and were accessible to coaches during the game.

if they noticed something at the time that actually gave the pats an advantage why wouldn't they speak up about it right then?

did you see harbaugh in that playoff game?

did he wait 'til next year to tell the league to keep an out out for tricky formations?

 

[Old Smiley]

On the Wyatt Earp effect:

Here is an example: One of the conditions for the legendary wild-west hero Wyatt Earp to have become a legend was having survived all the duels he survived. Indeed, it is reported that he was never wounded, not even scratched by a bullet. The probability of this to happen is very small, contributing to his fame because events of very small probabilities attract attention. However, the point is that the degree of attention depends very much on the observer. Somebody impressed by a specific event (here seeing a "hero") is prone to view effects of randomness differently from others which are less impressed.

In general makes not much sense to ask after observation of a remarkable series of events "What is the probability of this?", because this is a conditional probability upon observation. The distinction between conditional and unconditional probabilities can be intricate if the observer who asks "What is the probability?" is himself/herself outcome of a random selection. The name "Wyatt Earp effect" was coined in an article "Der Wyatt Earp Effekt" (in German) showing through several examples its subtlety and impact in various scientific domains.

 

[JIslander]

So if what BB and Brady say are true, that there's nobody sticking a needle in to deflate the balls after official measurement, how does that really resolve the issue? other than to say again, we didn't deflate "within the rules". Based on the fumbling statistics provided, it appears the Pats were still getting a significant advantage which could be directly attributed to the football prep process. And to say they had no idea that their process resulted in balls deflated less than regulation is being pretty disingenuous.

There's many things that can be attributed to, to be fair.

fair enough. Just don't know what.

 

[12punch]

So if what BB and Brady say are true, that there's nobody sticking a needle in to deflate the balls after official measurement, how does that really resolve the issue? other than to say again, we didn't deflate "within the rules". Based on the fumbling statistics provided, it appears the Pats were still getting a significant advantage which could be directly attributed to the football prep process. And to say they had no idea that their process resulted in balls deflated less than regulation is being pretty disingenuous.

Since we're just pulling stuff out of our asses, it "could" also be attributed to God being a Patriots fan.

It's funny how that guy doing all the work on the fumble stats hasn't done anything with dropped passes, since the Pats' balls are so much "easier to catch". I wonder if that's because the Pats are 3rd worst in dropped passes over the last 5 years? Nah, that's probably not it.

yeah, but pats are also first best in winning over that time and underinflated balls help you win.

check and mate

 

[parrot]

Has anyone run the numbers on Aaron Rodgers home interception rate? It's a statistical impossibility. Clearly he must be cheating.

 

[12punch]

Has anyone run the numbers on Aaron Rodgers home interception rate? It's a statistical impossibility. Clearly he must be cheating.

well, he does overinflate his balls, making it harder for opposing db to catch them

 

[Run It Up]

Colts balls as we know did not fall below the 12.5 PSI mark (I would assume the NFL would be investigating them as well if they were)

We don't know this. All we know is somewhere at sometime the Colts balls were measured and found to be inline.

I've heard multiple times that both sets of balls were measured at halftime. Colts were good, Pats were underinflated.

Got a link by chance?

Sure, here's one:

"The investigation found the footballs were inflated 2 pounds per square inch below what's required by NFL regulations during the Pats' 45-7 victory over the Indianapolis Colts, according to sources.

"We are not commenting at this time," said Greg Aiello, the NFL's senior vice president of communications.

League sources have confirmed that the footballs were properly inspected and approved by referee Walt Anderson 2 hours and 15 minutes before kickoff, before they were returned to each team.

ESPN Sports Radio 810 in Kansas City reported that the Patriots' footballs were tested at the half, reinflated at that time when they were found to be low, then put back in play for the second half, and then tested again after the game. The report did not reveal the results of the test following the game. All of the balls the Colts used met standards, according to the report."

You don't see how that doesn't say what he's saying? It's saying what I said...

It says that the Pats balls were illegal at halftime and that the Colts were legal...despite being subject to similar atmospheric conditions for nearly all of time in-between.

Im not sure and dont care what was said by others...as I m not trying to prove you or anyone else wrong.

Just re-stating that the Colts balls tested ok, the Pats didnt.

Then why reply to my request with an article that doesn't contribute to his point or my request?

 

[mbuehner]

I'd like to explore just how serious it is that Brett Favre cheated to get 297 starts in a row. Its a complete statistical outlier, over 40% higher than the next best QB. I mean, I dont know HOW Favre cheated, or why it worked, but thats really beside the point. And honestly you have to throw out all his wins and his passing and completion records as well, which obviously are the end results of that cheating, however it was done.

 

[Old Smiley]

Fun Bill Barnwell quote, re Patriots' draft strategy: “Bill Belichick is smart, but sometimes he succeeds just by aiding other teams’ efforts to be stupid.”

Also, Belichick says he is not a scientist, when actually he has a Bachelor of Science degree in economics. Lies upon lies....

 

[Tango]

Colts balls as we know did not fall below the 12.5 PSI mark (I would assume the NFL would be investigating them as well if they were)

We don't know this. All we know is somewhere at sometime the Colts balls were measured and found to be inline.

I've heard multiple times that both sets of balls were measured at halftime. Colts were good, Pats were underinflated.

Got a link by chance?

Sure, here's one:

"The investigation found the footballs were inflated 2 pounds per square inch below what's required by NFL regulations during the Pats' 45-7 victory over the Indianapolis Colts, according to sources.

"We are not commenting at this time," said Greg Aiello, the NFL's senior vice president of communications.

League sources have confirmed that the footballs were properly inspected and approved by referee Walt Anderson 2 hours and 15 minutes before kickoff, before they were returned to each team.

ESPN Sports Radio 810 in Kansas City reported that the Patriots' footballs were tested at the half, reinflated at that time when they were found to be low, then put back in play for the second half, and then tested again after the game. The report did not reveal the results of the test following the game. All of the balls the Colts used met standards, according to the report."

You don't see how that doesn't say what he's saying? It's saying what I said...

It says that the Pats balls were illegal at halftime and that the Colts were legal...despite being subject to similar atmospheric conditions for nearly all of time in-between.

Im not sure and dont care what was said by others...as I m not trying to prove you or anyone else wrong.

Just re-stating that the Colts balls tested ok, the Pats didnt.

Then why reply to my request with an article that doesn't contribute to his point or my request?

Because the issue of whether the Colts balls qualified as a control group is an interesting one.

And it turns out that according to that report, to the furthest extent possible, the Colts balls were clean and the Pats werent for at least the wondow of time at halftime.

...and thus the who-dunnit on the Patriots balls continues. If you'd like to take that personally, go for it...but I dont get it.