Patriots being investigated after Colts game (5 Viewers)

[Baloney Sandwich]

Not sure Goodell survives this...

 

[Anarchy99]

Not sure Goodell survives this...

I have heard people bring this up, to which I ask . . . how so? He has not said a peep, one iota, about this. So how can people point their fingers at him. All he has to do is say that there is an investigation ongoing and distance himself from anything going on.

 

[shader]

Not sure Goodell survives this...

How could he. The only way the NFL wasn't completely and totally incompetent in this matter is if they had a massive smoking gun they were sitting on.

If they don't, and they were incompetent from the start, Goodell has to go. Just appalling how they handled the past week and a half.

 

[Run It Up]

Are you ####### kidding me. I get off work and find that we were all ####### right a week ago.

They don't measure the balls, and they dont even ####### record it - but the Pats were ####### crucified for over a week!

 

[Old Smiley]

The leaks themselves, whether orchestrated, or tolerated, or not controlled are grounds for removal in my book.

 

[Old Smiley]

Are you ####### kidding me. I get off work and find that we were all ####### right a week ago.

They don't measure the balls, and they dont even ####### record it - but the Pats were ####### crucified for over a week!

Putting their own championship game under a pall.

 

[Baloney Sandwich]

Not sure Goodell survives this...

I have heard people bring this up, to which I ask . . . how so? He has not said a peep, one iota, about this. So how can people point their

fingers at him. All he has to do is say that there is an investigation ongoing and distance himself from anything going on.

He just let his strongest supporter in the owner's circle twist in the wind for a week while the integrity of a cornerstone franchise was dragged through the mud. Kraft is probably the most powerful owner in the league. Goodell has had a pretty bad year, you don't think Kraft can get his fellow owners to get behind the idea he needs to go?

 

[Old Smiley]

Thirty one other owners: Yeah, but I love the way he ####ed the players in that last CBA...

 

[Anarchy99]

Not sure Goodell survives this...

I have heard people bring this up, to which I ask . . . how so? He has not said a peep, one iota, about this. So how can people point their

fingers at him. All he has to do is say that there is an investigation ongoing and distance himself from anything going on.

He just let his strongest supporter in the owner's circle twist in the wind for a week while the integrity of a cornerstone franchise was dragged through the mud. Kraft is probably the most powerful owner in the league. Goodell has had a pretty bad year, you don't think Kraft can get his fellow owners to get behind the idea he needs to go?

At least 75% of the other owners and 95% of the general public want BB and the Pats to fry. Over anything. The only ones incensed and outraged are the Patriots and their fan based. Very few other people will be sympathetic to them. Open your eyes to all the articles on the web, news shows, talk radio, etc. Even with no evidence the huge majority of people want Brady and BB suspended.

The league is making more money than it ever has. If Goodell didn't get the heave ho by now for countless other things, I really doubt this will be the proverbial straw. If anything, I would guess other owners will complain Goodell hasn't done ENOUGH to punish the Patriots. They will pressure him to suspend BB for a year even if there is only flimsy, circumstantial evidence.

 

[KarmaPolice]

But, but... ....what about the Colt balls!!??

 

[Baloney Sandwich]

I think you fail to understand how close the owners all are and how much influence Kraft has among them.

 

[12punch]

But hey it's the Steelers, not the Pats , no one ratted and was over 40 years ago so it's all good, right?

You're right. And while you at it don't forget to bring up the cheating 1925 Chicago Cardinals.

Were Their Balls Deflated?

 

[KarmaPolice]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/01/29/nfl-didnt-log-the-psi-of-each-patriots-football/

And this controversy is officially over

it did get awfully quiet in this thread.

 

[GoBirds]

But hey it's the Steelers, not the Pats , no one ratted and was over 40 years ago so it's all good, right?

You're right. And while you at it don't forget to bring up the cheating 1925 Chicago Cardinals.

Cool, did they admit to deflating balls too? When is the cutoff date for accountability, 2007 ?

I thought that this thread was about the current investigation but apparently any and all controversies are fair game. Anything to divert attention will work.

Anything to divert attention sums it up pretty well. If others cheated then it's ok, even if they are in their 60's now and the rules were different.

 

[massraider]

The Pats aren't outraged. They are pretending to be. Because they know that's how innocent people react.

It doesn't matter if they get punished. Everyone knows.

Everyone knows.

 

[Run It Up]

The Pats aren't outraged. They are pretending to be. Because they know that's how innocent people react.

It doesn't matter if they get punished. Everyone knows.

Everyone knows.

Even Joe?

 

[12punch]

But, but... ....what about the Colt balls!!??

won't Someone Think Of The colts' Ball?

 

[ROCKET]

But hey it's the Steelers, not the Pats , no one ratted and was over 40 years ago so it's all good, right?

You're right. And while you at it don't forget to bring up the cheating 1925 Chicago Cardinals.

Cool, did they admit to deflating balls too? When is the cutoff date for accountability, 2007 ?

I thought that this thread was about the current investigation but apparently any and all controversies are fair game. Anything to divert attention will work.

Anything to divert attention sums it up pretty well. If others cheated then it's ok, even if they are in their 60's now and the rules were different.

So it wasn't against the rules back then to deflate the ball after the ref's ok'd them? I have heard that time heals all wounds, didn't know it exonerates all cheaters too. In a couple more years the Black Sox scandal will be meaningless too.

 

[KarmaPolice]

But, but... ....what about the Colt balls!!??

won't Someone Think Of The colts' Ball?

Also, what about the kids? What are we going to tell them??

 

[Baloney Sandwich]

Nice scoop Mort

 

[mbuehner]

Its almost like this is exactly what we suspected from day one...

 

[amnesiac]

Its almost like this is exactly what we suspected from day one...

so there's that. total non story.

 

[GoBirds]

But hey it's the Steelers, not the Pats , no one ratted and was over 40 years ago so it's all good, right?

You're right. And while you at it don't forget to bring up the cheating 1925 Chicago Cardinals.

Cool, did they admit to deflating balls too? When is the cutoff date for accountability, 2007 ?

I thought that this thread was about the current investigation but apparently any and all controversies are fair game. Anything to divert attention will work.

Anything to divert attention sums it up pretty well. If others cheated then it's ok, even if they are in their 60's now and the rules were different.

So it wasn't against the rules back then to deflate the ball after the ref's ok'd them? I have heard that time heals all wounds, didn't know it exonerates all cheaters too. In a couple more years the Black Sox scandal will be meaningless too.

Did you really pull your evidence from a his biography meant to sell as many copies as he can?

I don't know the rules in the 70's....I doubt they were as detailed as today's. If you are going to make the comparison just back it up.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

SPLAT

 

[ROCKET]

Still waiting for all the scientific calculations to be made.

It goes like this:

unknown psi divided by atmospheric condition > < = to unknown psi. Call Bill Nye now and get the Bus and Marky Mark to confirm it with the Charmin test.

 

[tombonneau]

Anyone know what year the 12.5-13.5 psi was put in place?

According to something I read that came out of the Blandino presser, the 1930s. So this is a pre-Hitler PSI range.

 

[ChromeWeasel]

I think you fail to understand how close the owners all are and how much influence Kraft has among them.

Kraft and Jerry Jones are particularly close. Those are the two most powerful and influential owners in the league. This may become a big deal.

I would not be surprised to see Goodell forced to step down. This has been horribly mishandled by the commissioner. All the owners are going to agree that they don't want to see these kinds of headlines. Any owner could be caught up in this kind of scenario next year because there is always something going on for every team. For the pats its the football. For the ravens it's domestic violence. For the browns it's text messages. There's always something, but it's never supposed to be front page scandal news.

This is a really bad year for Goodell.

 

[ROCKET]

But hey it's the Steelers, not the Pats , no one ratted and was over 40 years ago so it's all good, right?

You're right. And while you at it don't forget to bring up the cheating 1925 Chicago Cardinals.

Cool, did they admit to deflating balls too? When is the cutoff date for accountability, 2007 ?

I thought that this thread was about the current investigation but apparently any and all controversies are fair game. Anything to divert attention will work.

Anything to divert attention sums it up pretty well. If others cheated then it's ok, even if they are in their 60's now and the rules were different.

So it wasn't against the rules back then to deflate the ball after the ref's ok'd them? I have heard that time heals all wounds, didn't know it exonerates all cheaters too. In a couple more years the Black Sox scandal will be meaningless too.

Did you really pull your evidence from a his biography meant to sell as many copies as he can?

I don't know the rules in the 70's....I doubt they were as detailed as today's. If you are going to make the comparison just back it up.

Believe it or not back in the olden days of the 70's before you had video games, the internet and cell phones there were still a list of NFL rules that were actually printed in something called a book. Maybe you can sit on your grandpa's knee and have him enlighten you on such things.

 

[ROCKET]

Anyone know what year the 12.5-13.5 psi was put in place?

According to something I read that came out of the Blandino presser, the 1930s. So this is a pre-Hiter PSI range.

 

[tombonneau]

http://larrybrownsports.com/football/exact-psi-deflategate-not-logged/253783

Before we provide you with some more information on the Deflategate investigation, we should note one thing — the NFL is not a court of law. If the league followed the same guidelines and regulations as our legal system, the New England Patriots would probably be off the hook already.

On Thursday, NFL vice president of officiating Dean Blandino held a press conference with the media during which he updated reporters on the Deflategate investigation. One of the more interesting revelations Blandino made is that the NFL does not log the PSI (pounds per square inch) of each football before games.

As Jeff Howe of the Boston Globe noted, Blandino said the exact PSI of the AFC Championship game balls was not logged before the game or at halftime. Instead, head referee Walt Anderson simply approved of disapproved each ball.

This could be the sole reason Bill Belichick and Patriots owner Robert Kraft seem so confident that their team will be exonerated. Is Anderson’s word all the NFL needs to sanction the Pats?

One of the first reports about Deflategate indicated that New England’s game balls were approved before the game and found to be two PSI under-inflated at halftime. A more recent report claims the balls were only one PSI under.

Aren’t details important here? If Anderson didn’t log any of the numbers, how sure can he be? Will he remember the exact PSI of each ball? I highly doubt it.

At the very least, the process of checking footballs is going to be revised next season (and for the Super Bowl). The PSI of each ball will be logged before every game and probably at halftime going forward. But if Anderson didn’t do that before the AFC Championship Game, it makes it harder to believe that the NFL was running a sting operation. Either that, or it was was a horribly planned sting operation.

The more we learn, the more it becomes obvious that this piece of evidencecould be the most important thing the NFL has.

Haha, "precision PSI testing" like this ref checking football PSI who says (on camera): "Eh, that's close enough."

http://mmqb.si.com/2015/01/22/deflategate-video-how-nfl-officials-check-game-ball-pressure/

No way NFL will have enough evidence to say Patriots deflated.

Interesting this is first time I'm seeing the video. Love the "close enough" and then the other one where he is just losing heaps of air on overinflated ball and its out of his control.

And there is no way they do all that work every game. You know they were like "Crap, Peter King wants to do a video behind the scenes. Does anyone know where the electric air pump is?"

 

[12punch]

Anyone know what year the 12.5-13.5 psi was put in place?

pretty sure you can get that info here

 

[Baloney Sandwich]

The other laughable part of today was Blandino and Vinovich not being on the same page in terms of how the refs will handle ineligble receivers. Keystone cops.

 

[Rubi]

What's the over/under on how many more pages this thread will add AFTER The Super Bowl is over?

 

[ROCKET]

Anyone know what year the 12.5-13.5 psi was put in place?

pretty sure you can get that info here

Now you done it, he's searching all 4,345,346,211,874,763,876 pages just to exonerate the 70's Steelers of ball deflating

 

[12punch]

I think you fail to understand how close the owners all are and how much influence Kraft has among them.

Kraft and Jerry Jones are particularly close. Those are the two most powerful and influential owners in the league. This may become a big deal.

I would not be surprised to see Goodell forced to step down. This has been horribly mishandled by the commissioner. All the owners are going to agree that they don't want to see these kinds of headlines. Any owner could be caught up in this kind of scenario next year because there is always something going on for every team. For the pats its the football. For the ravens it's domestic violence. For the browns it's text messages. There's always something, but it's never supposed to be front page scandal news.

This is a really bad year for Goodell.

dude, they care about $$$

that's it

 

[12punch]

does this mean we won't have these guys putting on clown suits and parading through here to 'troll' pats fans any longer?

or can we get another scandal started?

maybe the length of brady's socks?

 

[GoBirds]

Anyone know what year the 12.5-13.5 psi was put in place?

pretty sure you can get that info here

Now you done it, he's searching all 4,345,346,211,874,763,876 pages just to exonerate the 70's Steelers of ball deflating

I'm good on that, you can research it to support the new angle for the next 40 pages of this thread...."everyone does it....just in case my science didn't quite work"

 

[devouredbychaos]

The Pats aren't outraged. They are pretending to be. Because they know that's how innocent people react.

It doesn't matter if they get punished. Everyone knows.

Everyone knows.

Everyone knows that every team in the NFL does the same thing.

Sounds like someone's a little jealous of the Pats success!

 

[BustedKnuckles]

Damien Fahey @DamienFahey · Jan 22

"I spent an entire day of precious life mad about deflated balls." - A disturbing amount of people on their deathbeds

 

[12punch]

Damien Fahey @DamienFahey · Jan 22
"I spent an entire day week of precious life mad about deflated balls." - A disturbing amount of people on their deathbeds

but I suspect these same ppl spend way more than a week walking around mad

 

[Morton Muffley]

Ok pats fans i have a cunning SB plan for belichick:

Assumptions:

1. Psi readings will be taken and logged pre game and at halftime

2. These readings will be a hot topic on the heels of deflategate...posdibly even broadcasted live

3. This entire effing country is science illiterate

4. The seahawks will fill their footballs in the locker room

5. Temp at halftime will be about 55dF

The cunning plan:

1. Fill patriot footballs to 13psi on the field with ambient air (s/b about 60dF pre game)

2. Laugh deviously when Seahawks balls are tested at halftime and show a drop from 12.5 psi to 11.8psi (illegal!!!) while the patriots balls are virtually unchanged!

Lastly when receiving the lombardi trophy from goodell, belichick should beat goodell over the head with it, turn to the camera shouting "science #####es!", then board his giant Bob's Big Boy spaceship and escape to superior alien civilization from which he came

 

[espnespn]

Funny how nobody is demanding an investigation into the Seahawks for sabotaging the fire alarms 2x. If the Seahawks win the SB, will there be an asterisk in the record books?

http://espn.go.com/boston/nfl/story/_/id/12247092/fire-alarm-goes-again-new-england-patriots-team-hotel

 

[Run It Up]

Funny how nobody is demanding an investigation into the Seahawks for sabotaging the fire alarms 2x.

http://espn.go.com/boston/nfl/story/_/id/12247092/fire-alarm-goes-again-new-england-patriots-team-hotel

Honestly, I feel like after the first time, there should be some extra ####### security watching that.

Come on now Arizona, your state sucks already - stop trying to ruin the superbowl.

 

[The Kerminator]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/01/29/nfl-didnt-log-the-psi-of-each-patriots-football/

And this controversy is officially over

Over? Again?

 

[amnesiac]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/01/29/nfl-didnt-log-the-psi-of-each-patriots-football/

And this controversy is officially over

Over? Again?

it was over before it began.

 

[Road Warriors]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/01/29/nfl-didnt-log-the-psi-of-each-patriots-football/

And this controversy is officially over

Over? Again?

Media may not let it die, true. Seems like even with a "preponderance of the evidence" bar, you'd need more than the ball being " some unknown/undocumented amount" under 12.5 psi at the half to find wrongdoing.

Hell, on inside the NFL, Phill Simms was talking about the ball being 15% smaller. The media can take a concept and run with it, and bring a large segment of the audience along for the ride ( especially if the antagonist in the story hails from NE )

 

[((Morpheus))]

Just saw the Blandino quotes and figured I'd check in to gloat a little bit.

On to the game, and good luck on Sunday, to the Seahawks fans among us (I'd probably bet the farm on your team as an impartial observer.)

 

[trogg78]

With the technology we have today we should be able to get live ball pressure readings on screen next to the score.

 

[AB in DC]

Anyone know what year the 12.5-13.5 psi was put in place?

According to something I read that came out of the Blandino presser, the 1930s. So this is a pre-Hitler PSI range.

Oops, Godwin's Law. This thread is now over. :IBTL:

 

[GoBirds]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/01/29/nfl-didnt-log-the-psi-of-each-patriots-football/

And this controversy is officially over

Over? Again?

I thought it was done after BB press conference? About 75 pages ago.

So uh....you guys think the refs check the ball pressure this week?