Patriots being investigated after Colts game (6 Viewers)

[BigSteelThrill]

Cheaters.

 

[bostonfred]

Winners

 

[BigSteelThrill]

* * * *

 

[Tool]

So awesome. Eli doesn't need to cry salty tears. He's beaten you guys like a drum. "Noticeable difference."

http://national.suntimes.com/nfl/7/72/1100327/eli-manning-tried-underinflated-footballs

Patriots crying salty ham cheater tears over ham cheating.

He also says this :

“Well, there’s a difference. Whether there’s an advantage or not that’s all dependent on what a quarterback likes or what it’s like in cold weather or when it’s wet. There’s other factors into it, so I’m not sure.”

And great post btw. You should start a new thread.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

losers

weepers

 

[KellysHeroes]

This is how I picture Tom when they collected the balls after the game

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kKUqUi9Ao1k

 

[BustedKnuckles]

This is how I picture Tom when they collected the balls after the game

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kKUqUi9Ao1k

you pictured him on a grainy hidden camera in a hotel room?

 

[12punch]

The whole "sting operation" narrative is a joke.

If there was a sting operation going on, then dontcha suppose the league would have initiated the retesting of the footballs themselves?

Well it was not the league that set these events in motion. It was the Colts.

If that Colts player hadn't intercepted a pass and handed the football to a Colts equipment guy, who noticed it seemed squishy, who then alerted NFL officials, then there would be no deflategate.

Looooooool

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

The whole "sting operation" narrative is a joke.

If there was a sting operation going on, then dontcha suppose the league would have initiated the retesting of the footballs themselves?

Well it was not the league that set these events in motion. It was the Colts.

If that Colts player hadn't intercepted a pass and handed the football to a Colts equipment guy, who noticed it seemed squishy, who then alerted NFL officials, then there would be no deflategate.

Sometimes the nuance of language eludes me. For many pages now people have been talking about whether this was a "sting", and as if "stings are somehow wrong, or underhanded, or that the word at least has a negative connotation. I'm guessing then that for some, or many, the word entails some implication that there has been a wrongful inducement or entrapment to cause a person to act as they did. Is that why people are focused on this? Do some believe that the Patriots were set up, induced to do something they would not have done on their own? Why is whether this was a "sting", as opposed to a simple investigation or inquiry becoming an issue?

 

[IvanKaramazov]

It's 7:10 and I've already used up all my likes for today. :(

 

[bostonfred]

The whole "sting operation" narrative is a joke.

If there was a sting operation going on, then dontcha suppose the league would have initiated the retesting of the footballs themselves?

Well it was not the league that set these events in motion. It was the Colts.

If that Colts player hadn't intercepted a pass and handed the football to a Colts equipment guy, who noticed it seemed squishy, who then alerted NFL officials, then there would be no deflategate.

Sometimes the nuance of language eludes me. For many pages now people have been talking about whether this was a "sting", and as if "stings are somehow wrong, or underhanded, or that the word at least has a negative connotation. I'm guessing then that for some, or many, the word entails some implication that there has been a wrongful inducement or entrapment to cause a person to act as they did. Is that why people are focused on this? Do some believe that the Patriots were set up, induced to do something they would not have done on their own? Why is whether this was a "sting", as opposed to a simple investigation or inquiry becoming an issue?

I think there are several reasons1) you shouldn't compromise the integrity of the conference championship game to perform a sting. If it was more important to heavily penalize the Patriots than to have a fair afccg, then they are out of their minds. If they didn't feel this impacted the afccg, then why the big investigation and historically heavy penalty?

 

[KarmaPolice]

So has anyone gone back and watched any film of Brady's play when the balls were deflated as to when they werent? i mean you should be able to spot it in an instant just by how much better he plays when the balls have less pressure ...right?

There was a huge difference in that AFCCG pre and post halftime... in favor of the properly inflated balls.

how about all the other games all the salty people are saying he did this...it must be very noticeable if one goes back and reviews all the games hes played ...it being such an advantage over everyone else and all

Yeah, you would think this would be the case.

Okay---have TB get with us and let us know exactly what games he was able to get the balls deflated, and which ones he wasn't & I'll crunch the numbers.

Obviously, we don't know exactly when this started or which specific games were played with balls that were under the legal limit vs at the low end of the legal limit. That being said, Brady & other QBs were able to get the rule changed before the 2006 season allowing home teams to provide their own footballs.

Prior to the 2006 season, Brady was 1574/2537 (62%), for 17990 (7.1 YPA), 123 TD, 66 INT

From 2006 on, Brady was 2976/4621 (64%), for 35231 (7.6 YPA), 269 TD, 77 INT

So, higher completion %, higher YPA, better TD rate, lower INT rate. There appears to be a link between an improvement in his play and the home team being allowed to provide their own game balls. However, that's definitely not conclusive & his growth as an NFL QB could account for some/all of those improvements, as could his growing knowledge/expertise of the NE offense. So, without specific information about which games involved the use of under-inflated balls, you can't really make the comparison you are asking for. Then again, I think you knew that and were just trying to deflect attention away from the real issues which is that Brady/NE cheated, then lied, tried to cover it up, and refused to cooperate with the NFL investigation.

I am not deflecting at all. I am fine with what happened to him (ok, thought the punishment was a tad heavy, but understand Goodell needing to make an example again).

Look, we know that this definitely happened for this game. What I am finding interesting is people's reactions and acting like this was a huge crime against the league and a huge competitive advantage. We know for a fact that they were underinflated the first half of one game, and that they were within the limits the second half. We know how the 2nd half turned out compared to the first. I am pretty sure the NFL had the SB balls on lockdown too, and he was able to produce just fine in that game as well. Hell, this underinflated ball thing (IF he was specifically telling them to do just that) could have all been in Brady's head and just a matter of feeling better to him. I just find it silly to now start randomly extrapolating stats out for 8-10 and assuming that his was going on the whole time.

Your stats are interesting, but by no means prove anything. Were there other factors - changing how they play, change in teammates, etc. that could have factored in just as much? Is there a similar change in other Qbs stats during that time as they were able to start using balls they preferred or is Brady just a lone outlier during that time?

 

[massraider]

Look, we know that this definitely happened for this game. What I am finding interesting is people's reactions and acting like this was a huge crime against the league and a huge competitive advantage.

Reading a lot of that, are you?

Lot of people saying it was a huge competitive advantage. That's what you're seeing?

 

[12punch]

So has anyone gone back and watched any film of Brady's play when the balls were deflated as to when they werent? i mean you should be able to spot it in an instant just by how much better he plays when the balls have less pressure ...right?

There was a huge difference in that AFCCG pre and post halftime... in favor of the properly inflated balls.

how about all the other games all the salty people are saying he did this...it must be very noticeable if one goes back and reviews all the games hes played ...it being such an advantage over everyone else and all

Yeah, you would think this would be the case.

Okay---have TB get with us and let us know exactly what games he was able to get the balls deflated, and which ones he wasn't & I'll crunch the numbers. Obviously, we don't know exactly when this started or which specific games were played with balls that were under the legal limit vs at the low end of the legal limit. That being said, Brady & other QBs were able to get the rule changed before the 2006 season allowing home teams to provide their own footballs.

Prior to the 2006 season, Brady was 1574/2537 (62%), for 17990 (7.1 YPA), 123 TD, 66 INT

From 2006 on, Brady was 2976/4621 (64%), for 35231 (7.6 YPA), 269 TD, 77 INT

So, higher completion %, higher YPA, better TD rate, lower INT rate. There appears to be a link between an improvement in his play and the home team being allowed to provide their own game balls. However, that's definitely not conclusive & his growth as an NFL QB could account for some/all of those improvements, as could his growing knowledge/expertise of the NE offense. So, without specific information about which games involved the use of under-inflated balls, you can't really make the comparison you are asking for. Then again, I think you knew that and were just trying to deflect attention away from the real issues which is that Brady/NE cheated, then lied, tried to cover it up, and refused to cooperate with the NFL investigation.

They should really call this the LOL pool

 

[David Dodds]

Jets fans buying billboard space

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/jets/jets-fans-create-tomshady-billboard-pats-qb-banned-article-1.2219620

 

[Jrodicus]

OJ reference! We're like 8 posts away from comparing deflated balls to the nazis.

No Godwin's Law here, and not comparing the what the Pats did to, you know, any actual crime ever.

Just saying, if you don't think circumstantial evidence counts for anything, then your opinion doesn't really matter.

http://www.theonion.com/article/study-38-percent-of-people-not-actually-entitled-t-5701

 

[Baloney Sandwich]

Jets fans buying billboard space

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/jets/jets-fans-create-tomshady-billboard-pats-qb-banned-article-1.2219620

No sense saving that money for a trip to the Super Bowl

 

[KarmaPolice]

Look, we know that this definitely happened for this game. What I am finding interesting is people's reactions and acting like this was a huge crime against the league and a huge competitive advantage.

Reading a lot of that, are you?

Lot of people saying it was a huge competitive advantage. That's what you're seeing?

Crime against the league was hyperbole, but it does seem to me lot of peoole think this was a big advantage for Tommy.

 

[Jrodicus]

So just to recap for those playing along at home...

As a group many Pats fans in here have been hyper critical that the way things went down don't allow for certainty of tampering... things like not writing down the pressures, not keeping a chain of custody after the ball certification, having two different pressure gauges in use, neither of which was laboratory certified as being perfectly calibrated, not recording the ambient temperature outside and inside at each measurement or how long the ball had been exposed to the new temperature, etc etc etc.

After many complaints the results are invalid because of the absence of these sorts of things - basic things that you might expect to be done if setting out to prove ball deflation was going on - they come to the conclusion the whole thing must have been a sting from the start.

Bravo.

I mean, duh, they totally should've done a Gage R&R study and made sure that the refs were properly trained on how to use a pressure gage. Anybody look for certification records to make sure the refs knew how to use the gage?

 

[ChuckLiddell]

Look, we know that this definitely happened for this game. What I am finding interesting is people's reactions and acting like this was a huge crime against the league and a huge competitive advantage.

Reading a lot of that, are you?

Lot of people saying it was a huge competitive advantage. That's what you're seeing?

Crime against the league was hyperbole, but it does seem to me lot of peoole think this was a big advantage for Tommy.

If it wasnt a big advantage, then they were just puking all over the rule book for the heck of it. Either way...

 

[rockaction]

So awesome. Eli doesn't need to cry salty tears. He's beaten you guys like a drum. "Noticeable difference."

http://national.suntimes.com/nfl/7/72/1100327/eli-manning-tried-underinflated-footballs

Patriots crying salty ham cheater tears over ham cheating.

He also says this :

“Well, there’s a difference. Whether there’s an advantage or not that’s all dependent on what a quarterback likes or what it’s like in cold weather or when it’s wet. There’s other factors into it, so I’m not sure.”

And great post btw. You should start a new thread.

Awesome.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

So what are our predictions on Brady's appeal? Does Goodell hear it himself or pass it off to an arbitrator?

If I were Goodell, I would do it myself. Might as well take ownership of this decision since it's going to reflect on your leadership one way or the other. You have to suspect that having Troy Vincent handle the initial punishment signals that Goodell is thinking along those lines too, but who knows.

 

[Anarchy99]

So has anyone gone back and watched any film of Brady's play when the balls were deflated as to when they werent? i mean you should be able to spot it in an instant just by how much better he plays when the balls have less pressure ...right?

There was a huge difference in that AFCCG pre and post halftime... in favor of the properly inflated balls.

how about all the other games all the salty people are saying he did this...it must be very noticeable if one goes back and reviews all the games hes played ...it being such an advantage over everyone else and all

Yeah, you would think this would be the case.

Okay---have TB get with us and let us know exactly what games he was able to get the balls deflated, and which ones he wasn't & I'll crunch the numbers.

Obviously, we don't know exactly when this started or which specific games were played with balls that were under the legal limit vs at the low end of the legal limit. That being said, Brady & other QBs were able to get the rule changed before the 2006 season allowing home teams to provide their own footballs.

Prior to the 2006 season, Brady was 1574/2537 (62%), for 17990 (7.1 YPA), 123 TD, 66 INT

From 2006 on, Brady was 2976/4621 (64%), for 35231 (7.6 YPA), 269 TD, 77 INT

So, higher completion %, higher YPA, better TD rate, lower INT rate. There appears to be a link between an improvement in his play and the home team being allowed to provide their own game balls. However, that's definitely not conclusive & his growth as an NFL QB could account for some/all of those improvements, as could his growing knowledge/expertise of the NE offense. So, without specific information about which games involved the use of under-inflated balls, you can't really make the comparison you are asking for. Then again, I think you knew that and were just trying to deflect attention away from the real issues which is that Brady/NE cheated, then lied, tried to cover it up, and refused to cooperate with the NFL investigation.

So has anyone gone back and watched any film of Brady's play when the balls were deflated as to when they werent? i mean you should be able to spot it in an instant just by how much better he plays when the balls have less pressure ...right?

There was a huge difference in that AFCCG pre and post halftime... in favor of the properly inflated balls.

how about all the other games all the salty people are saying he did this...it must be very noticeable if one goes back and reviews all the games hes played ...it being such an advantage over everyone else and all

Yeah, you would think this would be the case.

Okay---have TB get with us and let us know exactly what games he was able to get the balls deflated, and which ones he wasn't & I'll crunch the numbers.

Obviously, we don't know exactly when this started or which specific games were played with balls that were under the legal limit vs at the low end of the legal limit. That being said, Brady & other QBs were able to get the rule changed before the 2006 season allowing home teams to provide their own footballs.

Prior to the 2006 season, Brady was 1574/2537 (62%), for 17990 (7.1 YPA), 123 TD, 66 INT

From 2006 on, Brady was 2976/4621 (64%), for 35231 (7.6 YPA), 269 TD, 77 INT

So, higher completion %, higher YPA, better TD rate, lower INT rate. There appears to be a link between an improvement in his play and the home team being allowed to provide their own game balls. However, that's definitely not conclusive & his growth as an NFL QB could account for some/all of those improvements, as could his growing knowledge/expertise of the NE offense. So, without specific information about which games involved the use of under-inflated balls, you can't really make the comparison you are asking for. Then again, I think you knew that and were just trying to deflect attention away from the real issues which is that Brady/NE cheated, then lied, tried to cover it up, and refused to cooperate with the NFL investigation.

Yes, TB's numbers went up . . . as did almost every QB in the league with the league embarking on a greater emphasis on passing production with defenses getting called for more and more fouls.

From 2001-2005, the league average (by franchise) was:

6.35 YPA, 59.5% completion%, 4.06 TD%, 3.19 INT%, 78.2 passer rating

From 2006-2014, the league average (by franchise) was:

6.6 YPA, 61% completion%, 4.24 TD%, 2.88 INT%, 82.5 passer rating

Also, as far as NE goes, they completely reshaped their team and offensive philosophy. They morphed from a strong defense, ball control, run heavy team with not a lot invested in receiving targets to a pass first team, mediocre defense, a lot more invested in receiving talent, and less investment in the running game (they didn't have a single player with 100 carries last year).

In the second data set, there were guys like Moss, Welker, and Gronk. The average fan will have little recollection of who the Patriots threw out there to catch the ball in 2001-2005.

 

[Bayhawks]

So has anyone gone back and watched any film of Brady's play when the balls were deflated as to when they werent? i mean you should be able to spot it in an instant just by how much better he plays when the balls have less pressure ...right?

There was a huge difference in that AFCCG pre and post halftime... in favor of the properly inflated balls.

how about all the other games all the salty people are saying he did this...it must be very noticeable if one goes back and reviews all the games hes played ...it being such an advantage over everyone else and all

Yeah, you would think this would be the case.

Okay---have TB get with us and let us know exactly what games he was able to get the balls deflated, and which ones he wasn't & I'll crunch the numbers.

Obviously, we don't know exactly when this started or which specific games were played with balls that were under the legal limit vs at the low end of the legal limit. That being said, Brady & other QBs were able to get the rule changed before the 2006 season allowing home teams to provide their own footballs.

Prior to the 2006 season, Brady was 1574/2537 (62%), for 17990 (7.1 YPA), 123 TD, 66 INT

From 2006 on, Brady was 2976/4621 (64%), for 35231 (7.6 YPA), 269 TD, 77 INT

So, higher completion %, higher YPA, better TD rate, lower INT rate. There appears to be a link between an improvement in his play and the home team being allowed to provide their own game balls. However, that's definitely not conclusive & his growth as an NFL QB could account for some/all of those improvements, as could his growing knowledge/expertise of the NE offense. So, without specific information about which games involved the use of under-inflated balls, you can't really make the comparison you are asking for. Then again, I think you knew that and were just trying to deflect attention away from the real issues which is that Brady/NE cheated, then lied, tried to cover it up, and refused to cooperate with the NFL investigation.

I am not deflecting at all. I am fine with what happened to him (ok, thought the punishment was a tad heavy, but understand Goodell needing to make an example again).

Look, we know that this definitely happened for this game. What I am finding interesting is people's reactions and acting like this was a huge crime against the league and a huge competitive advantage. We know for a fact that they were underinflated the first half of one game, and that they were within the limits the second half. We know how the 2nd half turned out compared to the first. I am pretty sure the NFL had the SB balls on lockdown too, and he was able to produce just fine in that game as well. Hell, this underinflated ball thing (IF he was specifically telling them to do just that) could have all been in Brady's head and just a matter of feeling better to him. I just find it silly to now start randomly extrapolating stats out for 8-10 and assuming that his was going on the whole time.

Your stats are interesting, but by no means prove anything. Were there other factors - changing how they play, change in teammates, etc. that could have factored in just as much? Is there a similar change in other Qbs stats during that time as they were able to start using balls they preferred or is Brady just a lone outlier during that time?

I'm aware of this, and said as much in my post.

The fact is that you can't compare Brady's stats with deflated footballs to his stats with regulation-inflated footballs without knowing which games he used deflated footballs. Therefore, without Brady coming out and saying "I cheated for these games during this time period," you can't make the comparison that you and Busted Knuckles asked for.

 

[Anarchy99]

Even I am ashamed for some of the crazy Pats homers still arguing that whatever they did in the AFCCG didn't matter because of the score (so it shouldn't be considered cheating).

Try telling a judge that the girl was going to consent anyway, so giving her roofies shouldn't be held against you.

 

[Baloney Sandwich]

So what are our predictions on Brady's appeal? Does Goodell hear it himself or pass it off to an arbitrator?

If I were Goodell, I would do it myself. Might as well take ownership of this decision since it's going to reflect on your leadership one way or the other. You have to suspect that having Troy

Vincent handle the initial punishment signals that Goodell is thinking along those lines too, but who knows.

You believe Vincent decided the punishment?

 

[BigSteelThrill]

So what are our predictions on Brady's appeal? Does Goodell hear it himself or pass it off to an arbitrator?

If I were Goodell, I would do it myself. Might as well take ownership of this decision since it's going to reflect on your leadership one way or the other. You have to suspect that having Troy

Vincent handle the initial punishment signals that Goodell is thinking along those lines too, but who knows.

You believe Vincent decided the punishment?

Another conspiracy theory? Hot damn its never ending.

 

[Bayhawks]

Okay---have TB get with us and let us know exactly what games he was able to get the balls deflated, and which ones he wasn't & I'll crunch the numbers.

Obviously, we don't know exactly when this started or which specific games were played with balls that were under the legal limit vs at the low end of the legal limit. That being said, Brady & other QBs were able to get the rule changed before the 2006 season allowing home teams to provide their own footballs.

Prior to the 2006 season, Brady was 1574/2537 (62%), for 17990 (7.1 YPA), 123 TD, 66 INT

From 2006 on, Brady was 2976/4621 (64%), for 35231 (7.6 YPA), 269 TD, 77 INT

So, higher completion %, higher YPA, better TD rate, lower INT rate. There appears to be a link between an improvement in his play and the home team being allowed to provide their own game balls. However, that's definitely not conclusive & his growth as an NFL QB could account for some/all of those improvements, as could his growing knowledge/expertise of the NE offense. So, without specific information about which games involved the use of under-inflated balls, you can't really make the comparison you are asking for. Then again, I think you knew that and were just trying to deflect attention away from the real issues which is that Brady/NE cheated, then lied, tried to cover it up, and refused to cooperate with the NFL investigation.

Yes, TB's numbers went up . . . as did almost every QB in the league with the league embarking on a greater emphasis on passing production with defenses getting called for more and more fouls.

From 2001-2005, the league average (by franchise) was:

6.35 YPA, 59.5% completion%, 4.06 TD%, 3.19 INT%, 78.2 passer rating

From 2006-2014, the league average (by franchise) was:

6.6 YPA, 61% completion%, 4.24 TD%, 2.88 INT%, 82.5 passer rating

Also, as far as NE goes, they completely reshaped their team and offensive philosophy. They morphed from a strong defense, ball control, run heavy team with not a lot invested in receiving targets to a pass first team, mediocre defense, a lot more invested in receiving talent, and less investment in the running game (they didn't have a single player with 100 carries last year).

In the second data set, there were guys like Moss, Welker, and Gronk. The average fan will have little recollection of who the Patriots threw out there to catch the ball in 2001-2005.

I understand this-I said as much in my post (see underlined). The point was that the requests for comparison between when Brady cheated vs when he didn't isn't possible, because we don't know when he cheated.

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

Some of the many references to Spygate made me curious as to the accuracy of my recollections of the matter. Going quickly through Google I found a few articles summarizing the matter (I had forgotten about Matt Walsh and comments from Doug flutie -allegedly- about helmet communications). The stuff I readily found all came from sources I might question, and often had as much speculation as fact. I am wondering if there may be some relatively definitive, fairly objective (If that is obtainable at all, ever, in these matters) report or article on the entire matter. Recommendations?

 

[BroadwayG]

Even I am ashamed for some of the crazy Pats homers still arguing that whatever they did in the AFCCG didn't matter because of the score (so it shouldn't be considered cheating).

Try telling a judge that the girl was going to consent anyway, so giving her roofies shouldn't be held against you.

May as well have went for the grand slam and made a joke about genocide.

 

[sho nuff]

Marcellus Wiley had the best analogy ive heard.

Brady was the smartest kid in class, who got caught with a cheat sheet on a test. Eventhough he didn't really need it, he had it anyway because he felt it may help him.

 

[AhrnCityPahnder]

Where'd the colts get the idea to complain about this?

Jim Harbaugh read the rule book IMO.

Even hating the Ravens with every fiber of my being, this is some funny #### right here.

 

[The General]

Can we get a master list of conspiracies and excuses for Brady?

 

[DaveL]

So what are our predictions on Brady's appeal? Does Goodell hear it himself or pass it off to an arbitrator?

If I were Goodell, I would do it myself. Might as well take ownership of this decision since it's going to reflect on your leadership one way or the other. You have to suspect that having Troy

Vincent handle the initial punishment signals that Goodell is thinking along those lines too, but who knows.

You believe Vincent decided the punishment?

Another conspiracy theory? Hot damn its never ending.

It's more probable than not that Goodell directed Vincent on punishment, no?

 

[AhrnCityPahnder]

It's 7:10 and I've already used up all my likes for today. :(

this thread is a total like-vacuum.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

Marcellus Wiley had the best analogy ive heard.

Brady was the smartest kid in class, who got caught with a cheat sheet on a test. Eventhough he didn't really need it, he had it anyway because he felt it may help him.

For Brady yes.... but the entire class got their hands on that sheet also. i.e. grip/catch/carry

 

[BigSteelThrill]

So what are our predictions on Brady's appeal? Does Goodell hear it himself or pass it off to an arbitrator?

If I were Goodell, I would do it myself. Might as well take ownership of this decision since it's going to reflect on your leadership one way or the other. You have to suspect that having Troy

Vincent handle the initial punishment signals that Goodell is thinking along those lines too, but who knows.

You believe Vincent decided the punishment?

Another conspiracy theory? Hot damn its never ending.

It's more probable than not that Goodell directed Vincent on punishment, no?

I say no. Goodell has been on the other side of that conspiracy theory (he is a Patriot sell out who gives them beneficial treatment) for a decade. He wiped his hands clean of that.

 

[rockaction]

So much class. Belichick flees the scene.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xjFoV79hT38

 

[Old Smiley]

Marcellus Wiley had the best analogy ive heard.

Brady was the smartest kid in class, who got caught with a cheat sheet on a test. Eventhough he didn't really need it, he had it anyway because he felt it may help him.

No, that's actually not a good analogy. Best one is an uniform violation. Just what feels best. Hell, maybe it's even superstition. Brady's socks even always have the same, just-the-right-amount of sag to them. And when things aren't perfect he's in a funk and making life miserable for the little people. So the little people do something stupid to shut him up.

 

[Devine Intervention]

Comparing this to uniform infraction is the dumbest thing I've heard and you don't know football if you can compare the two.

Its comments like that that truly prove ne fans are grasping at straws.

 

[Soulfly3]

@ProFootballTalk 17s

17 seconds ago
A.J. Feeley says he witnessed Tom Brady and the Patriots using doctored footballs in 2004

 

[Old Smiley]

Comparing this to uniform infraction is the dumbest thing I've heard and you don't know football if you can compare the two.

Its comments like that that truly prove ne fans are grasping at straws.

Well, friend, you show me the unfair advantage of playing with underinflated footballs. And if you're going to bring up those dicey fumble stats, then tell me what that's got to do with Brady.

Oh yeah, I remember you. You're the guy who tells everyone they don't know football. Right.

 

[Mookie]

@ProFootballTalk 17s

17 seconds ago
A.J. Feeley says he witnessed Tom Brady and the Patriots using doctored footballs in 2004

Is this a surprise to anyone?

 

[Koya]

Comparing this to uniform infraction is the dumbest thing I've heard and you don't know football if you can compare the two.

Its comments like that that truly prove ne fans are grasping at straws.

Well, friend, you show me the unfair advantage of playing with underinflated footballs. And if you're going to bring up those dicey fumble stats, then tell me what that's got to do with Brady.

Oh yeah, I remember you. You're the guy who tells everyone they don't know football. Right.

Who even cares if there is an advantage (fyi there is, why would he CHEAT to do it if not? man, let's have a couple working objective brain cells here people)?

The guy cheated and got caught. On a team that has REPEATEDLY cheated and got caught (and if we use those two brain cells, the only logical conclusion is other instances of cheating went on that were not caught).

Tainted legacy. One of the greatest QBs ever, but disqualified from the title, and you could say the same about the team/franchise. It's actually more sad than anything.

 

[12punch]

Even I am ashamed for some of the crazy Pats homers still arguing that whatever they did in the AFCCG didn't matter because of the score (so it shouldn't be considered cheating).

Try telling a judge that the girl was going to consent anyway, so giving her roofies shouldn't be held against you.

How much air did they take out?

 

[Mookie]

Even I am ashamed for some of the crazy Pats homers still arguing that whatever they did in the AFCCG didn't matter because of the score (so it shouldn't be considered cheating).

Try telling a judge that the girl was going to consent anyway, so giving her roofies shouldn't be held against you.

How much air did they take out?

Ask McNally and Brady. I'm sure they've got it pretty dialed in by now.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

Even I am ashamed for some of the crazy Pats homers still arguing that whatever they did in the AFCCG didn't matter because of the score (so it shouldn't be considered cheating).

Try telling a judge that the girl was going to consent anyway, so giving her roofies shouldn't be held against you.

How much air did they take out?

Ask McNally and Brady. I'm sure they've got it pretty dialed in by now.

 

[mbuehner]

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17 seconds ago
A.J. Feeley says he witnessed Tom Brady and the Patriots using doctored footballs in 2004

"Feeley said on 97.5 The Fanatic that when he was playing for the Dolphins in 2004, he saw Patriots quarterback Tom Brady using old, broken-in balls at a time when NFL rules said that teams had to use new balls provided by the league.

“Prior to Tommy and Peyton Manning going to the league and saying, ‘Let us doctor our balls’ we used to all play with the same balls,” Feeley said. “Somehow this beat-up ball from the ball boy was getting thrown in on offense for New England, yet when we were on offense this orange brand new ball was getting thrown in.”

Something either stinks about Feeleys recollection, or about how the NFL was handling the equipment issue back then. I think its highly improbable that a referee would recognize that a football was 1 or 2 PSI below 'normal'. I think it defies credulity to believe a referee wouldnt recognize he was being handed a broken in football on every play for the Pats, and a brand new, untouched, football every play for the Eagles. And why wouldnt the Eagles complain? The refs handle the ball every play, either they knew and didnt consider it a problem, or Feeley is misremembering somehow.

 

[Baloney Sandwich]

Even I am ashamed for some of the crazy Pats homers still arguing that whatever they did in the AFCCG didn't matter because of the score (so it shouldn't be considered cheating).

Try telling a judge that the girl was going to consent anyway, so giving her roofies shouldn't be held against you.

How much air did they take out?

Ask McNally and Brady. I'm sure they've got it pretty dialed in by now.

correct although it is already spelled out in the Wells Report. Taking the average measurements of both gauges the Pats balls were 0.02% below what would have been acceptable after factoring in the natural gas law.

6. Officials used two gauges at halftime of the AFC Championship Game to measure the air pressure in 11 New England footballs and four Indianapolis footballs. On page 113 of the Wells report, after a description of the scientific Ideal Gas Law (eyes glaze over), Wells says the Patriots footballs should have measured between 11.32 psi and 11.52 psi. The average of one gauge for the 11 balls was 11.49 psi, on the upper range of what the balls should measure. The average of the other gauge was 11.11 psi, clearly lower than what the balls should have measured. Average all 22 readings, and you get 11.30 … two-one-hundredths lower what the Ideal Gas Law would have allowed for balls that started the day at 12.5 psi.

 

[Baloney Sandwich]

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17 seconds ago
A.J. Feeley says he witnessed Tom Brady and the Patriots using doctored footballs in 2004

"Feeley said on 97.5 The Fanatic that when he was playing for the Dolphins in 2004, he saw Patriots quarterback Tom Brady using old, broken-in balls at a time when NFL rules said that teams had to use new balls provided by the league.

“Prior to Tommy and Peyton Manning going to the league and saying, ‘Let us doctor our balls’ we used to all play with the same balls,” Feeley said. “Somehow this beat-up ball from the ball boy was getting thrown in on offense for New England, yet when we were on offense this orange brand new ball was getting thrown in.”

Something either stinks about Feeleys recollection, or about how the NFL was handling the equipment issue back then. I think its highly improbable that a referee would recognize that a football was 1 or 2 PSI below 'normal'. I think it defies credulity to believe a referee wouldnt recognize he was being handed a broken in football on every play for the Pats, and a brand new, untouched, football every play for the Eagles. And why wouldnt the Eagles complain? The refs handle the ball every play, either they knew and didnt consider it a problem, or Feeley is misremembering somehow.

In fairness, Feeley did complain but I guess you could have an issue that he waited 11 years to do so