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Patriots being investigated after Colts game (4 Viewers)

Percent of NFL teams actively trying to steal play sheets?

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I don't understand why everyone is wanting Brady's text message history? Can someone explain this to me what what new information would be gained since anything he texted the 2 employess would be on their phones as well?
I posted this earlier in this thread:

When they asked Brady to supply the relevent texts, Brady had no way of knowing whose texts they already had for sure. Likely McNally and Jastremski, but who knows who else? It's easy to see now that the report was released, but Brady could not know for sure. Asking him to supply just the texts that applied to this issue would have let Wells cross reference the texts. The only reason not to supply them is Brady at the time wasn't sure what he needed to include or not. Texts to McNally yes, but what about someone else, he doesn't know what they have and leaving things out when he is asked to include it all would look bad. So, Brady decides not to give them anything because he likely had something that would have looked bad if he included it.
What? This doesn't make sense to me. Would you mind clarifying what you meant?

It looks like you're suggesting that if Wells asked Brady to supply all texts he had exchanged with McNally & Jastremeski, and Brady did provide all those, but didn't include texts to John Doe Pats employee, that would have looked bad? In other words, giving Wells what he asked for, but failing to give him something that he didn't ask for was a better option than giving him what he asked for?
They asked Brady to supply the texts relevant to the investigation. Supplying only the texts he had with McNally or Jastremeski may have been enough, but at that time Brady did not know what they had recovered or may still recover from others regarding the investigation. If other messages were uncovered from other texts ( i.e. John Doe Pats employee) that were relevant to the investigation and Brady did not supply the matching communications, that would look really bad. It's easy for him to now supply that information in regards to McNally or Jastremeski.

The only reason I can think of that he wouldn't comply with supplying just those relevant texts is that he could have had something incriminating regarding the deflation of footballs to someone else and wouldn't know if Wells would uncover that info or not. So just don't comply.

What other reason could there be if he is completely innocent in regard to this investigation?

 
The problem with that conclusion is that you are saying he's guilty until proven innocent. At that time, and even now in a lot of peoples opinions, he is innocent and it's on Wells to prove guilt, not the other way around. Also after all of the leaks, would you just Wells/NFL with anything? Besides, any texts between him and McNally/Jastremeski are already in the NFL's possession.

 
Instead of Goodell spending the next several days reviewing all the 'new' info or whatever to determine whether to reduce Brady's punishment based on his apparent guilt or innocence...he's going to spend the next several days deciding whether to reduce Brady's punishment based on how it will affect Rogers reputation in the media and with the other owners.

Poor Tom. He never had a shot.

 
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I don't understand why everyone is wanting Brady's text message history? Can someone explain this to me what what new information would be gained since anything he texted the 2 employess would be on their phones as well?
I posted this earlier in this thread:

When they asked Brady to supply the relevent texts, Brady had no way of knowing whose texts they already had for sure. Likely McNally and Jastremski, but who knows who else? It's easy to see now that the report was released, but Brady could not know for sure. Asking him to supply just the texts that applied to this issue would have let Wells cross reference the texts. The only reason not to supply them is Brady at the time wasn't sure what he needed to include or not. Texts to McNally yes, but what about someone else, he doesn't know what they have and leaving things out when he is asked to include it all would look bad. So, Brady decides not to give them anything because he likely had something that would have looked bad if he included it.
What? This doesn't make sense to me. Would you mind clarifying what you meant?

It looks like you're suggesting that if Wells asked Brady to supply all texts he had exchanged with McNally & Jastremeski, and Brady did provide all those, but didn't include texts to John Doe Pats employee, that would have looked bad? In other words, giving Wells what he asked for, but failing to give him something that he didn't ask for was a better option than giving him what he asked for?
They asked Brady to supply the texts relevant to the investigation. Supplying only the texts he had with McNally or Jastremeski may have been enough, but at that time Brady did not know what they had recovered or may still recover from others regarding the investigation. If other messages were uncovered from other texts ( i.e. John Doe Pats employee) that were relevant to the investigation and Brady did not supply the matching communications, that would look really bad. It's easy for him to now supply that information in regards to McNally or Jastremeski.

The only reason I can think of that he wouldn't comply with supplying just those relevant texts is that he could have had something incriminating regarding the deflation of footballs to someone else and wouldn't know if Wells would uncover that info or not. So just don't comply.

What other reason could there be if he is completely innocent in regard to this investigation?
As far as I know, they asked for specific text records (likely with McNally & Jastremeski). If he turned those over, and later they realized they wanted to see records of his texts to BB or Kraft, they'd likely ask for them. That wouldn't reflect badly on him for giving them what they asked for & not being able to read their mind or know the future & failing to provide what they were going to ask for, at some later date.

 
The problem with that conclusion is that you are saying he's guilty until proven innocent. At that time, and even now in a lot of peoples opinions, he is innocent and it's on Wells to prove guilt, not the other way around. Also after all of the leaks, would you just Wells/NFL with anything? Besides, any texts between him and McNally/Jastremeski are already in the NFL's possession.
Wells doesn't/didn't have to prove guilt; this isn't a court of law. All Wells had to do was come to the conclusion that it was more probable than not.

Innocent until proven guilty is part of our legal system, which doesn't apply to this situation.

 
Instead of Goodell spending the next several days reviewing all the 'new' info or whatever to determine whether to reduce Brady's punishment based on his apparent guilt or innocence...he's going to spend the next several days deciding whether to reduce Brady's punishment based on how it will affect Rogers reputation in the media and with the other owners.

Poor Tom. He never had a shot.
Yeah he did. He could have been less defiant and evasive early. He could have come out during the Wells report & said "I told these guys I like my balls soft, and they took it too far, but it's on me." Instead he pretended that he didn't even know who they were (at least who one of them was), and continued to claim his innocence, despite all indications to the contrary.

 
The problem with that conclusion is that you are saying he's guilty until proven innocent. At that time, and even now in a lot of peoples opinions, he is innocent and it's on Wells to prove guilt, not the other way around. Also after all of the leaks, would you just Wells/NFL with anything? Besides, any texts between him and McNally/Jastremeski are already in the NFL's possession.
It's not a criminal proceeding and there is no "innocent until proven guilty". This was a dispute between an employee and his employer and any refusal to cooperate fully with what his employer asked IS an admission of guilt.

 
The problem with that conclusion is that you are saying he's guilty until proven innocent. At that time, and even now in a lot of peoples opinions, he is innocent and it's on Wells to prove guilt, not the other way around. Also after all of the leaks, would you just Wells/NFL with anything? Besides, any texts between him and McNally/Jastremeski are already in the NFL's possession.
Wells doesn't/didn't have to prove guilt; this isn't a court of law. All Wells had to do was come to the conclusion that it was more probable than not.

Innocent until proven guilty is part of our legal system, which doesn't apply to this situation.
I would suggest that more probable than not of breaking an NFL rule=guilty, the whole point of the wells report was to find out if they're guilty of breaking the rules.

As far as innocent until proven guilty, I'll just agree to disagree. I was brought up that everyone was innocent until proven guilty, whether there are in a court of law or not. If you come from that angle, the situation looks a little different I would suppose.

 
The problem with that conclusion is that you are saying he's guilty until proven innocent. At that time, and even now in a lot of peoples opinions, he is innocent and it's on Wells to prove guilt, not the other way around. Also after all of the leaks, would you just Wells/NFL with anything? Besides, any texts between him and McNally/Jastremeski are already in the NFL's possession.
It's not a criminal proceeding and there is no "innocent until proven guilty". This was a dispute between an employee and his employer and any refusal to cooperate fully with what his employer asked IS an admission of guilt.
See my response to Bayhawks in regards to the innocent thing. The players actually work for their teams, not the NFL. I wonder if that would make a difference in that regard - honest question, I'm not trying to be sarcastic or anything.

 
The problem with that conclusion is that you are saying he's guilty until proven innocent. At that time, and even now in a lot of peoples opinions, he is innocent and it's on Wells to prove guilt, not the other way around. Also after all of the leaks, would you just Wells/NFL with anything? Besides, any texts between him and McNally/Jastremeski are already in the NFL's possession.
Wells doesn't/didn't have to prove guilt; this isn't a court of law. All Wells had to do was come to the conclusion that it was more probable than not.

Innocent until proven guilty is part of our legal system, which doesn't apply to this situation.
I would suggest that more probable than not of breaking an NFL rule=guilty, the whole point of the wells report was to find out if they're guilty of breaking the rules.

As far as innocent until proven guilty, I'll just agree to disagree. I was brought up that everyone was innocent until proven guilty, whether there are in a court of law or not. If you come from that angle, the situation looks a little different I would suppose.
It would probably be better if you didn't suggest. This was discussed ad nauseam in this thread when the Wells report was released.

Some people in here have read every post in this thread, myself included (not something to necessarily be proud of :bag: ). The use of "More probable than not" was used for a specific reason. The same arguments keep getting brought up over and over again even after they've been dispelled as untruths. (Brady didn't want to give up his phone, etc)

 
I think its a little silly to take a document like the Wells report, which was very clearly about ensuring the Patriots were found guilty of something, then take its carefully worded technical terminology to heart. Wells found the Patriots were more likely than not guilty of something based on his opinion of the Exponent report. Now consider that both of those document are a complete ####### farce.

'But its not a court of law', 'They don't have to find them guilty'. No ####, they weren't even remotely close.

This isn't a court of law either, were talking about how dumb it is from the bottom up.

 
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If all Brady did was repeat his testimony that he was innocent, under oath. Then wtf were they doing for 11 hours?

 
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the Duke Lacrosse team was kicked out of school, banned from everything, called rapists by the world because they were more probable than not guilty of rape accusations

wait ... they were innocent ..... uh, go figure

 
Reposting a brilliant summary from Ken Tremendous on Sonsofsamhorn (aka Michael Schur, writer for The Office and Parks and Recreation):

He'll reduce the sentence to 2 games, but no, he isn't just going to say: we were wrong, sorry guys.

This is the essential problem with the way Goodell runs the Justice Thunder Fist of the NFL Front Office. He wants the league to be the military, with strict codes and punishments and Serious Things Taken Seriously. But it's not. It's a big sloppy sports league. Most on-field stuff should be dealt with by saying "knock it off," but he never says "knock it off," he only says "How dare you!"

And when you deal with every tiny thing by saying "How dare you?!" you end up stepping in it, all the time. You commit a massive amount of resources and money and PR capital to determine whether two guys might have done something that no one has ever cared about, and that investigation completely misreads (willfully or accidentally) the science behind what happened -- which, again, no one knew about, because no one had ever cared about the gameplay issue it affected. But by turning over $5 million worth of legal rocks you discovered some grubby behavior. So you yell "How dare you!" the loudest you've ever yelled it -- because maybe recently some people have pointed out that you didn't really yell "How dare you!" to a couple guys who deserved to be yelled at, and you looked stupid. So you yell, you yell a lot, you yell so loudly that no one will ever be able to accuse you of not yelling!

Then a bunch of reasonable people point out that the science that justified all that yelling might have actually been wrong. This isn't really your fault, necessarily -- because who the #### ever cared about the Ideal Gas Law in football? Who even knew this was a thing? -- but it still might be wrong. And if the science was wrong, the whole thing is pointless. The $5 million of legal rocks you turned over might all be worthless. All of the Integrity of the Game speeches, all the We Care About Fair Play speeches, all the yelling and yelling and yelling and yelling might have been because the lawyer you paid $5 million never considered that if balls lose pressure in cold air they might gain pressure in warm air, and if the Colts' balls were measured later in the halftime than the Pats' balls they might have more air pressure, oopsie, sorry, but you can't have your $5 million back.

So now what do you do? Well, a normal person with a moderated sense of his self-worth and position in the universe might take a deep breath and say, "You know what? This whole thing was messy, and unfortunate, but at the end of the day, there are simply too many questions about what happened, or didn't happen, and too many issues with the measurements of the footballs -- because we had never, as a league, put in place an official policy to track football air pressure. And ultimately, it doesn't seem fair to levy a massive penalty here, because the process by which we investigated the issue was just too problematic."

That is not what he will do. He will thank Tom Brady for his testimony, and for his New Spirit of Cooperation he will reduce the penalty against him. But he will stand by Wells and the Wells Report. He will say that Wells's work is unimpeachable, his honesty and integrity unquestioned, and his investigation thorough and satisfactory. Because when you are a person who yells "How dare you!" over and over, year after year, you simply cannot all of a sudden take a measured or reasoned response to anything. It isn't possible. The person who yells "How dare you!" all the time just doesn't ever admit his own fallibility in any meaningful way. I would be utterly shocked if that happened.
 
This is the problem, if you read any of the articles that have come out since his appeal, no matter what they think the outcome will be, its the same.

Overwhelmingly the opinion I've read is that his suspension should be reduced either partially or entirely, but the only case presented that it wouldn't be reduced entirely is for Goodell or the shield to save face. Not because there is anything damning against Brady.

 
The problem with that conclusion is that you are saying he's guilty until proven innocent. At that time, and even now in a lot of peoples opinions, he is innocent and it's on Wells to prove guilt, not the other way around. Also after all of the leaks, would you just Wells/NFL with anything? Besides, any texts between him and McNally/Jastremeski are already in the NFL's possession.
Wells doesn't/didn't have to prove guilt; this isn't a court of law. All Wells had to do was come to the conclusion that it was more probable than not.

Innocent until proven guilty is part of our legal system, which doesn't apply to this situation.
I would suggest that more probable than not of breaking an NFL rule=guilty, the whole point of the wells report was to find out if they're guilty of breaking the rules.

As far as innocent until proven guilty, I'll just agree to disagree. I was brought up that everyone was innocent until proven guilty, whether there are in a court of law or not. If you come from that angle, the situation looks a little different I would suppose.
It would probably be better if you didn't suggest. This was discussed ad nauseam in this thread when the Wells report was released.

Some people in here have read every post in this thread, myself included (not something to necessarily be proud of :bag: ). The use of "More probable than not" was used for a specific reason. The same arguments keep getting brought up over and over again even after they've been dispelled as untruths. (Brady didn't want to give up his phone, etc)
My apologies, I haven't had time to read the thread. i didn't mean to stir it up in this thread again. Would you be willing to offer a short summary? I know it has something to do with the overall evidence but not much more beyond that.

 
My apologies, I haven't had time to read the thread. i didn't mean to stir it up in this thread again. Would you be willing to offer a short summary? I know it has something to do with the overall evidence but not much more beyond that.
Some people claim more probable than not = 51% sure

Others have read footnote 1 in the executive summary of the Wells report.

 
1 game for non-compliance, but exonerated of responsibility for deflating (which is blamed on the organization). That's the only compromise here and would be a win for both sides who want to get past this.

Kraft not fighting seems to fall into line with this. An NFL Commish should want this as well.

A Pats fan hopes.

 
This is the problem, if you read any of the articles that have come out since his appeal, no matter what they think the outcome will be, its the same.

Overwhelmingly the opinion I've read is that his suspension should be reduced either partially or entirely, but the only case presented that it wouldn't be reduced entirely is for Goodell or the shield to save face. Not because there is anything damning against Brady.
I honestly have forgotten and am not going to dig through everything to find but what was your take on the texts again?

 
This is the problem, if you read any of the articles that have come out since his appeal, no matter what they think the outcome will be, its the same.

Overwhelmingly the opinion I've read is that his suspension should be reduced either partially or entirely, but the only case presented that it wouldn't be reduced entirely is for Goodell or the shield to save face. Not because there is anything damning against Brady.
I honestly have forgotten and am not going to dig through everything to find but what was your take on the texts again?
That they took a cross section of out of context text messages between two idiots and presented them with a slant. I don't know wtf they are talking about, but I'm not gonna accept a 'neutral' parties presentation of them that are book ended with their opinion of it - nothing neutral about it.

Also, wtf does that have to do with what you quoted?

 
This is the problem, if you read any of the articles that have come out since his appeal, no matter what they think the outcome will be, its the same.

Overwhelmingly the opinion I've read is that his suspension should be reduced either partially or entirely, but the only case presented that it wouldn't be reduced entirely is for Goodell or the shield to save face. Not because there is anything damning against Brady.
I honestly have forgotten and am not going to dig through everything to find but what was your take on the texts again?
That they took a cross section of out of context text messages between two idiots and presented them with a slant. I don't know wtf they are talking about, but I'm not gonna accept a 'neutral' parties presentation of them that are book ended with their opinion of it - nothing neutral about it.

Also, wtf does that have to do with what you quoted?
I consider the texts to be pretty damning of Brady.

 
This is the problem, if you read any of the articles that have come out since his appeal, no matter what they think the outcome will be, its the same.

Overwhelmingly the opinion I've read is that his suspension should be reduced either partially or entirely, but the only case presented that it wouldn't be reduced entirely is for Goodell or the shield to save face. Not because there is anything damning against Brady.
I honestly have forgotten and am not going to dig through everything to find but what was your take on the texts again?
That they took a cross section of out of context text messages between two idiots and presented them with a slant. I don't know wtf they are talking about, but I'm not gonna accept a 'neutral' parties presentation of them that are book ended with their opinion of it - nothing neutral about it.

Also, wtf does that have to do with what you quoted?
I consider the texts to be pretty damning of Brady.
Ignoring that I was talking about the reports of the appeal, you can obviously choose to believe what you want about the contents of the Wells report and its credibility.

 
This is the problem, if you read any of the articles that have come out since his appeal, no matter what they think the outcome will be, its the same.

Overwhelmingly the opinion I've read is that his suspension should be reduced either partially or entirely, but the only case presented that it wouldn't be reduced entirely is for Goodell or the shield to save face. Not because there is anything damning against Brady.
I honestly have forgotten and am not going to dig through everything to find but what was your take on the texts again?
That they took a cross section of out of context text messages between two idiots and presented them with a slant. I don't know wtf they are talking about, but I'm not gonna accept a 'neutral' parties presentation of them that are book ended with their opinion of it - nothing neutral about it.

Also, wtf does that have to do with what you quoted?
I consider the texts to be pretty damning of Brady.
Ignoring that I was talking about the reports of the appeal, you can obviously choose to believe what you want about the contents of the Wells report and its credibility.
touchy touchy.

Really need to do a lot of mental gymnastics to not find those texts as damning to Brady.

 
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This is the problem, if you read any of the articles that have come out since his appeal, no matter what they think the outcome will be, its the same.

Overwhelmingly the opinion I've read is that his suspension should be reduced either partially or entirely, but the only case presented that it wouldn't be reduced entirely is for Goodell or the shield to save face. Not because there is anything damning against Brady.
I honestly have forgotten and am not going to dig through everything to find but what was your take on the texts again?
That they took a cross section of out of context text messages between two idiots and presented them with a slant. I don't know wtf they are talking about, but I'm not gonna accept a 'neutral' parties presentation of them that are book ended with their opinion of it - nothing neutral about it.

Also, wtf does that have to do with what you quoted?
I consider the texts to be pretty damning of Brady.
Ignoring that I was talking about the reports of the appeal, you can obviously choose to believe what you want about the contents of the Wells report and its credibility.
I guess I don't really see what you are saying. Not trying to troll.

If I had to bet I'd say they don't reduce it but as a few have said already in the last page or so could see a way that they knock it down a couple of games and let everyone save a little face in the way they word the announcement.

 
the Duke Lacrosse team was kicked out of school, banned from everything, called rapists by the world because they were more probable than not guilty of rape accusations

wait ... they were innocent ..... uh, go figure
WTF? :confused:

All this time I thought you were a Brady/NE fan, now you are comparing him to alleged rapists. Damn man, you had us all fooled.

HEY EVERYONE, STEALTHYCAT THINKS BRADY SHOULD BE LUMPED IN WITH GUYS ACCUSED OF GANGRAPE!

 
1 game for non-compliance, but exonerated of responsibility for deflating (which is blamed on the organization). That's the only compromise here and would be a win for both sides who want to get past this.

Kraft not fighting seems to fall into line with this. An NFL Commish should want this as well.

A Pats fan hopes.
This should be the outcome (at worst, with regards to games Brady is suspended). He clearly misled the investigation by not claiming to know the McNally and/or Jastremeski, claiming not to know what the legal PSI limits were, refusing to divulge copies of his electronic communications, etc. But, it was a minor rule that was broken, and may not even have been broken in that specific game. Unfortunately, Goodell has a tendency to try to play hardass at times, and this situation is practically begging for it (to demonstrate that he's not Krafts b!tch). Unless Brady shares the texts and it shows NO involvement on his part in the deflating, I can't see a total voiding of the suspension.

 
Per a league source... When pressed on certain facts relating to Brady’s potential knowledge or involvement, the answers were regarded by some in the room (i.e., some who aren’t paid to exonerate Brady) as not entirely credible.

If the source is indeed from the league and credible, he is going to eat those 4 games.

 
Per a league source... When pressed on certain facts relating to Bradys potential knowledge or involvement, the answers were regarded by some in the room (i.e., some who

arent paid to exonerate Brady) as not entirely credible.

If the source is indeed from the league and

credible, he is going to eat those 4 games.
Well, Brady's team controlled the narrative on this one because they leaked out first to the media. I firmly believe the Wells Report is complete crap and they nailed the Pats because

they were hired to do so. I also firmly believe the Pats deflated the balls and Brady knew about it. I don't see these two opinions as being in conflict with each other. As a Pats fan, I side with the fact that it is BS they were framed for something even though they did it.

 
Per a league source... When pressed on certain facts relating to Bradys potential knowledge or involvement, the answers were regarded by some in the room (i.e., some who

arent paid to exonerate Brady) as not entirely credible.

If the source is indeed from the league and

credible, he is going to eat those 4 games.
Well, Brady's team controlled the narrative on this one because they leaked out first to the media. I firmly believe the Wells Report is complete crap and they nailed the Pats because

they were hired to do so. I also firmly believe the Pats deflated the balls and Brady knew about it. I don't see these two opinions as being in conflict with each other. As a Pats fan, I side with the fact that it is BS they were framed for something even though they did it.
wha? No arrogance there...

 
This thread is a hoot.

The entitled arrogance of the Pats fanbois is off the hook.

When Goodell announces the 4 games holds up, I expect we'll see something on the level of when Wham broke up.

 
You mean the entitled arrogance of having been in the 6 of the last 15 Super Bowls, having won 4, dominating the AFC east? Well, it is entitled or deserved or whatever you want to call it. It has been awesome to tell you the truth, nothing like winning the SB!!

When it comes to the flawed Wells report there is a good chance they poked a few holes in it, wether the NFL has the stones to admit it is another thing. It still doesn't change the fact that Brady is one of the best people in the NFL, as well as the greatest player to ever put on cleats. The numbers back it up.

 
Framed for something they did?
Sure, why is that a hard concept to grasp? Wells couldn't prove it but he had a job to do so he threw together a report that supported a pre-determined conclusion. He is likely right in his conclusion but the evidence he uses to support that conclusion has giant holes in it.

 
This thread is a hoot.

The entitled arrogance of the Pats fanbois is off the hook.

When Goodell announces the 4 games holds up, I expect we'll see something on the level of when Wham broke up.
As a pats fan I fully expect Goodell to uphold the suspension and stick with 4 games. Simply because Goodell has to look out for Goodell and reducing the suspension would damage his already fragile credibility. So when the verdict comes down the same, I'll basically shrug and yawn.

 
Per a league source... When pressed on certain facts relating to Brady’s potential knowledge or involvement, the answers were regarded by some in the room (i.e., some who aren’t paid to exonerate Brady) as not entirely credible.

If the source is indeed from the league and credible, he is going to eat those 4 games.
Sooo, worse case, Brady is stuck with a suspension that is 2 games less than the Steelers face of the franchise got for raping a woman?

Yay, wave that towel Steeler fans :towelwave: , love and adore the rapist, but hate Brady because he might have done something that pales in comparison to what your "hero" did.

Oh the rape was no big deal you say? You want to stick to football? Ok, lets talk about what Terry Bradshaw admitted the Steelers illegally did to the footballs back in their steroid fueled, err dynasty days :oldunsure:

You don't hate Brady cuz the steelers on their best freaking day can't beat him, no, no, no, no, no; you hate him because you are morally opposed to rapists, um cheaters, um teams with qbs that are rapists and or cheat that aren't the steelers, ya, ya that's the ticket.

Steeler fan stone throwers, salt of the earth I tell ya, salt of the earth; god bless em.........

Do urself and your franchise a favor and stop with the stone throwing :potkettle:

I challenge all the stone throwers to make their team allegiances clear so the more probable than not standard can be applied equally. Or is that somehow unfair? Of course there are a the cowardly who use alias's and we will just have to do our best to ignore them all together.

:towelwave:

 
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I can't read this anymore. DId anyone ever get to Kevin Hassett and Dow 36,000??

That was fun. I lost most of my 401(k) contributions at my work because of that ######.

Oh, has anyone mentioned he's from Greenfield?

I'd look, but God this thread is unreadable.

 
Baloney Sandwich said:
BigSteelThrill said:
Per a league source... When pressed on certain facts relating to Bradys potential knowledge or involvement, the answers were regarded by some in the room (i.e., some who

arent paid to exonerate Brady) as not entirely credible.

If the source is indeed from the league and

credible, he is going to eat those 4 games.
Well, Brady's team controlled the narrative on this one because they leaked out first to the media. I firmly believe the Wells Report is complete crap and they nailed the Pats because

they were hired to do so. I also firmly believe the Pats deflated the balls and Brady knew about it. I don't see these two opinions as being in conflict with each other. As a Pats fan, I side with the fact that it is BS they were framed for something even though they did it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wujVMIYzYXg

 
Someone Brady trusts needs to pull him aside and explain that if he takes this to federal court he's not protecting his legacy, he's taking a sledgehammer to it.

 

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