The L Bell thread has a post where Bells suspension is possibly being g negotiated to just 1-2 games; due to him being punished twice? This makes no sense to me. The way I understand it is that the new policy has a rule about DUI and marijuana arrests. The punishments for those 2 = 3 games. If Bell gets his suspension reduced, and Brady's full 4 games is upheld, I'd have to agree with NE fans who cry foul (about this specific aspect of this situation.
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Patriots being investigated after Colts game (5 Viewers)
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IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
Apples and oranges. Bell is being punished for the off-the-field conduct. Brady is being punished for on-the-field cheating. It isn't hard to see why the NFL would come down harder on the cheater than the guy who picked up a DUI.
apalmer
Footballguy
Admit you were wrong and take a negotiated reduction in how many games you miss or deny any wrongdoing and threaten to sue if you are suspended even one game. Brady would have nothing more to complain about than any criminal who refuses a plea bargain, gets found guilty and has the maximum sentence imposed.
Old Smiley
Footballguy
See ya in court...
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
John Bender
Footballguy
CentralPA
Footballguy
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Insoxicated
This should be fun... Goodell is trashing what little value his legacy had left here. It's entertaining to watch.
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
Not sure how destroying a cell phone helps, since you can always subpoena phone records from the carrier, who will have a record of every text message. But it makes Brady look more guilty, albeit of something that I have long said is not that big a deal, but the coverup is worst than the crime, and that is what we are seeing again.
Capella
Footballguy
moleculo
Footballguy
I was willing to give Brady benefit of the doubt, and I thought he was getting screwed in this deal. However, destroying your phone, which you know they are asking about, is not the action of an innocent man.
It's ironic that destroying the cell phone was not part of the Wells report. Had Brady taken his lumps and moved on, this would have never been disclosed and his reputation would be intact. Now, he is forever unclean.
Even if the suspension is ultimately tossed by the court, I think he has done more harm to his own reputation that Goodell could have ever done.
I was willing to give Brady benefit of the doubt, and I thought he was getting screwed in this deal. However, destroying your phone, which you know they are asking about, is not the action of an innocent man.
It's ironic that destroying the cell phone was not part of the Wells report. Had Brady taken his lumps and moved on, this would have never been disclosed and his reputation would be intact. Now, he is forever unclean.
Raiderfan32904
Footballguy
Only now he is "unclean"? 
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Insoxicated
FOREVER UNCLEAN!
I was willing to give Brady benefit of the doubt, and I thought he was getting screwed in this deal. However, destroying your phone, which you know they are asking about, is not the action of an innocent man.
It's ironic that destroying the cell phone was not part of the Wells report. Had Brady taken his lumps and moved on, this would have never been disclosed and his reputation would be intact. Now, he is forever unclean.
The Duff Man
Footballguy
I am surprised the other owners put up with this crap for so long.
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
He was dumb enough to think that destroying his cell phone was a good idea, and that was arguably the single dumbest thing he could have possibly done. Who's to say he doesn't double-down on stupidity?
Baloney Sandwich
Footballguy
NFL is going to get destroyed in court and they know it. Tarnishing Brady now is their last chip to play in an attempt to win the PR battle ahead of losing yet again in court.
The Duff Man
Footballguy
If the info on the phone was damning enough destroying it was the right play....but then pushing the issue was stupid.
Doesn't the destruction of his cell phone ultimately hurt his chances during the appeals process? If your whole argument is against the process and the unnatural punishment being doled out, haven't you completely destroyed your argument by essentially giving the NFL another feather in their cap? You didn't cooperate with the investigation and while not cooperating, you destroyed potential evidence. We are no longer comparing apples to apples (ala Brett Favre). You've created a whole new precedence that needs to be set.
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SIDA!
Footballguy
If I am a multimillionaire/living legend celebrity...I am not handing my cell phone over to anyone unless compelled by a court of law. And I am not a Pats fan or Brady fanboy.
I was willing to give Brady benefit of the doubt, and I thought he was getting screwed in this deal. However, destroying your phone, which you know they are asking about, is not the action of an innocent man.
It's ironic that destroying the cell phone was not part of the Wells report. Had Brady taken his lumps and moved on, this would have never been disclosed and his reputation would be intact. Now, he is forever unclean.
The Duff Man
Footballguy
Old Smiley
Footballguy
Sigmund Bloom retweeted
Around The NFL @AroundTheNFL 8m8 minutes ago
From @RapSheet: Brady will sue.
Around The NFL @AroundTheNFL 8m8 minutes agoFrom @RapSheet: Brady will sue.
Raiderfan32904
Footballguy
If he is stupid enough to try, the NFL could easily subpoena those texts in their defense. Does Brady have the balls to push this?
Old Smiley
Footballguy
ProFootballTalk @ProFootballTalk 20m20 minutes ago
Habit or not, if Brady destroyed the phone with awareness of the pending request to review its contents, that's a problem.
Can someone find out something about the "habit" bit? Not seeing anything...
Habit or not, if Brady destroyed the phone with awareness of the pending request to review its contents, that's a problem.
Can someone find out something about the "habit" bit? Not seeing anything...
This just keeps getting more awesome by the second! Let the games begin!!!Sigmund Bloom retweeted
From @RapSheet: Brady will sue.
His argument for destruction is that he does it every 4 months. Notwithstanding the fact he still has his phone from the 4 month period before the destroyed one...
moleculo
Footballguy
do you destroy your phone, or do you put it in your vault?If I am a multimillionaire/living legend celebrity...I am not handing my cell phone over to anyone unless compelled by a court of law. And I am not a Pats fan or Brady fanboy.
I was willing to give Brady benefit of the doubt, and I thought he was getting screwed in this deal. However, destroying your phone, which you know they are asking about, is not the action of an innocent man.
It's ironic that destroying the cell phone was not part of the Wells report. Had Brady taken his lumps and moved on, this would have never been disclosed and his reputation would be intact. Now, he is forever unclean.
If he were clean, he could have presented his phone at his hearing, and again at the impending trial. Too bad he's forever unclean.
Maybe Gisele is the one that needs to subpoena the records.
moleculo
Footballguy
if I were a celebrity and had his kind of money, I would absolutely destroy my old phone when I was done with it.
I suppose; but this isn't a criminal matter and the PSI rule (IMO) didn't give any significant advantage. The fact remains that Brady is still refusing to admit wrong doing, and that seems to be the difference. I'm just looking at each situation where the NFL has a rule in place but don't seem to be applying the same standard. Although, it's possible they offered the same reduction, but Brady refused.
Just saw that Brady destroyed his cell rather than share its contents. What possible explanation can there be for that?
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Franknbeans
Footballguy
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
need to suspend Bellicheat too, he is fostering a culture of cheating.
Shutout
Footballguy
This is a no-brainer. If you have the money he does and the wife he does, believe me...NOBODY is going to get within ten feet of your phone cause you know what kinda stuff is on that thing. TMZ would have ALL kinds of pics by tomorrow.
Think about it, none of us are Tom Brady, probably don't have his wealth or a wife and lifestyle like he does and still, how many of us would want to let a stranger look through our phone all they want?
Shutout
Footballguy
Make no mistake. The NFL WILL lose in court. In terms of reputation, for sure, and in terms of losing the case, likely.And there are still those that will defend him m and think the NFL would lose in court.
moleculo
Footballguy
lolMake no mistake. The NFL WILL lose in court. In terms of reputation, for sure, and in terms of losing the case, likely.And there are still those that will defend him m and think the NFL would lose in court.
pantherclub
Footballguy
what are you basing this on?Make no mistake. The NFL WILL lose in court. In terms of reputation, for sure, and in terms of losing the case, likely.And there are still those that will defend him m and think the NFL would lose in court.
He owns Brady in a Dynasty league, so he has inside info...what are you basing this on?Make no mistake. The NFL WILL lose in court. In terms of reputation, for sure, and in terms of losing the case, likely.And there are still those that will defend him m and think the NFL would lose in court.
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
Against all odds, or maybe even impossibly, this story just keeps getting better.
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
The destroyed cell phone is just the kind of unexpected plot twist that this story needed.
Franknbeans
Footballguy
I heard some talk earlier that there was language from the Spygate ruling that suggested if they got caught cheating again, specifically Belichick, there would have been a ban. Supposedly, that's what led Kraft to back down in Frisco.
