Patriots being investigated after Colts game (2 Viewers)

[Statler & Waldorf]

Its not known when someone first filmed coaching signals. It goes back at least to 1990 when Marty Schottenheimer coached Kansas City. Both on a Fox pregame show and on WFAN, a New York radio station, Jimmy Johnson, who coached the Dallas Cowboys to two Super Bowl Championships, said he also had staffers tape opposing coaches.

Johnson said teams could tape signals from the press box, but sometimes the press box was on the wrong side of the field. In that case, the cameraman filmed from the sidelines. Johnson, who also had interns search other teams trash for discarded notes and game plans, said taping coaches wasnt worth the effort and abandoned it.

Johnson learned the procedure in 1990 from Mark Hatley, a Kansas Cityscout, who taught him how Marty Schottenheimers Chiefs did it. Johnson praised one Schottenheimer assistant, Howard Mudd, as the best in the entire league at stealing signals. During much of the current decade, including their Super Bowl year, Mudd worked for the Indianapolis Colts.

One of Belichicks fiercest Spygate critics and Mudds boss from 2002-2008 with the Colts, Tony Dungy, also served on Schottenheimers Kansas City staff. Other notable Schottenheimer assistants in Kansas City include Herm Edwards, who later served as the Jets' head coach before returning to the Chiefs in that capacity.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/199345-the-truth-about-spygate-punishing-success-and-promoting-parity

 

[Run It Up]

Good points... the kid in the disguise sent into the locker room is pure genius! SO many Raider, Jets, Steelers fans etc are so butthurt. Knowing that Brady is the best ever and that he'll be around for 3-5 more years... how many more will he win? One, two... three? I guarantee you he is devising flaming mad baller super advanced cheating techniques as we speak. And ironically, there's nothing anyone can do, not even the commish, to stop him or the Patriots. It's like a runaway locomotive OF GREATNESS!!!!! WE ARE THE CHAMPIONS... my friend. WE"LL KEEP ON FIGHTING... to the end....

As a Ravens fan, I am getting skeered about Brady scorching the earth...6 yards at a time.

You hear they called their shell game audibles 'Baltimore' and 'Raven'?

I can see the tears now, the super-duper jumbo package 'Salt'. 6 linemen, 3 tight ends - Its coming, the salt will be real.

 

[JIslander]

Good points... the kid in the disguise sent into the locker room is pure genius! SO many Raider, Jets, Steelers fans etc are so butthurt. Knowing that Brady is the best ever and that he'll be around for 3-5 more years... how many more will he win? One, two... three? I guarantee you he is devising flaming mad baller super advanced cheating techniques as we speak. And ironically, there's nothing anyone can do, not even the commish, to stop him or the Patriots. It's like a runaway locomotive OF GREATNESS!!!!! WE ARE THE CHAMPIONS... my friend. WE"LL KEEP ON FIGHTING... to the end....

As a Ravens fan, I am getting skeered about Brady scorching the earth...6 yards at a time.

You hear they called their shell game audibles 'Baltimore' and 'Raven'?

I can see the tears now, the super-duper jumbo package 'Salt'. 6 linemen, 3 tight ends - Its coming, the salt will be real.

See? that's what I'm talking about. Not only did it get them to the SB, they can be arrogant AF about it. OWN it --you guys are da best at it.

 

[Koya]

I don't think koya read the ruling. With Cruz and jpp sharing 19 fingers and three patellas you probably haven't enjoyed reading about football this off season, but a judge literally just totally exonerated them of all wrong doing. You're just making yourself look foolish in here.

Just trying to help.

I have to hand it to Kraft. Despite a judge exonerating them of any wrongdoing, he's still donating two of this year's draft choices back to the league. He's such a good sport. Lol

I understand it must suck to be known as a bunch of cheats. Worse yet to have such a great team, but even so, every accomplishment is under some suspicion and doubt.

Perhaps we should have a bit more pity. If some folks want to fight SO vehemently in the face of all logic, truth, evidence, history and the absolute reality that 95% plus see them as Cheaters , there must be something really deeply embedded in them to put such effort into such an absurd effort.

But hey, if trying to prove that 2+2 does not equal 4 soothes your soul from admitting the world all knows the Pats are cheats, we should probably be a bit more kind to people with such a weak constitution.

 

[Bad_Mo]

Koya I just want to say I hope you find happiness. You've posted about 35 times now about how sad this makes you. It's okay buddy, better days are coming.

Meh, I type a hundred words a minute.

It's fun to keep watching a fan base get so up in arms about something the rest of the world already knows, but they won't admit.

And yes, come Thursday better games are coming. Unfortunately I missed out on Gronk or Brady or I'd be cheering for the cheating to continue (as if its not!)

PS - Plus, baiting a fantatical crew of historical deniers can be fun. Not that different than the FFA. Of course, I am not trying to protect a legacy that has long since been destroyed, so I guess I can understand why folks seems to just jump right up and fastidiously respond to my latest barb - barbs that generally only come in reaction to yet another laughable insinuation by a Pats fan that the obvious cheating didn't occur.

So I lob some water balloons and they jump in the tanks. Even though their war is already lost and all the ammo is out - the Pats are cheaters regardless what the hold out fanatics say.

Katherine Gibbs grad?

 

[bostonfred]

Can't stop talking about the Champs

 

[Run It Up]

15 Minutes until America's Game, NFL Network.

 

[JuniorNB]

Can't stop talking about the Champs

oh, I'm sure you'd love to silence the world about this. Lol

 

[Run It Up]

Can't stop talking about the Champs

oh, I'm sure you'd love to silence the world about this. Lol

People have been talking about it for a decade, nothing has changed.

Rumors and innuendo.

Theres probably some truth in a lot of it but Id wager its 99% bull####.

 

[bostonfred]

Not sure if you guys are watching right now but NFL network is playing America's game, the story of the world champion 2014 patriots.

Then tomorrow they're playing do your job, the story of the most successful coach and quarterback duo in NFL history.

Then the day after that you can watch them play the NFL season opener because they won the superbowl last year. The team they're playing doesn't have their star running back or receiver because they wye suspended for cheating but it should still be a good game.

Omg so jeals.

 

[Run It Up]

Not sure if you guys are watching right now but NFL network is playing America's game, the story of the world champion 2014 patriots.

Then tomorrow they're playing do your job, the story of the most successful coach and quarterback duo in NFL history.

Then the day after that you can watch them play the NFL season opener because they won the superbowl last year. The team they're playing doesn't have their star running back or receiver because they wye suspended for cheating but it should still be a good game.

Omg so jeals.

10/10

 

[bostonfred]

https://youtu.be/KktqTEaPcoM

They just showed this one, better or worse than the left handed catch?

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

Not sure if you guys are watching right now but NFL network is playing America's game, the story of the world champion 2014 patriots.

Then tomorrow they're playing do your job, the story of the most successful coach and quarterback duo in NFL history.

Then the day after that you can watch them play the NFL season opener because they won the superbowl last year. The team they're playing doesn't have their star running back or receiver because they wye suspended for cheating but it should still be a good game.

Omg so jeals.

Lol smoking weed is cheating now?

 

[bostonfred]

Lol smoking weed is cheating now?

Did they get suspended for breaking an NFL rule that was collectively bargained? Before a federal judge absolved Brady and the Patriots of all wrong doing, people called Brady a cheater for something he didn't even do and that wasn't even in the rule book. Rules are rules or something like that. I'd explain more but I'm busy watching the Patriots drive to take the lead in the superbowl on NFL network they just threw a td to gronk to take a 14 7 lead.

 

[sho nuff]

Altering balls after inspection wasn't in the rule book?

You're struggling man...your schtick is bad.

 

[bostonfred]

Omg, Kearse just made a sick bobbling catch on the sideline

 

[Run It Up]

Butler just stole Wilson's lunch a source said.

 

[bostonfred]

Malcolm butler!

 

[bostonfred]

We are all Patriots and tonight once again the Patriots are world champions.

Goose bumps

 

[sho nuff]

Don't the Patriots have a rb suspended for "cheating" with Bell?

 

[Run It Up]

Don't the Patriots have a rb suspended for "cheating" with Bell?

Well, honestly if his last name was Bell he would have had his suspension reduced to 0 games.

Blount is an impressionable kid, the peer pressure drove him to the edge thankfully he wasn't operating a motor vehicle though.

 

[PatsWillWin]

Just checking in. Still no evidence of anything I see. Just unnamed sources from the NFL's four-letter mouthpiece.

PM me if anything changes, cheers mates.

 

[Britney Spears]

I'm not saying that everyone cheats. But many, if not most, do. Certainly most of the greatest teams in history have played fast and loose with the rules to get there.

LOL

 

[Old Smiley]

the NFL's four-letter mouthpiece.

Nice.

Although, that piece today gave it to Goodell pretty good.

 

[Homer J Simpson]

Loving the justifications by the Pats homers.

 

[PatsWillWin]

Loving the justifications by the Pats homers.

Hey, thanks man, I appreciate that.

 

[yabahos]

Most stunning part of the ESPN Article

Some of the Steelers' defensive coaches remain convinced that a deep touchdown pass from Brady to Deion Branch in the January 2005 AFC Championship Game, which was won by the Patriots 41-27, came from stolen signals because Pittsburgh hadn't changed its signals all year, sources say, and the two teams had played a game in the regular season that Walsh told investigators he believes was taped. "They knew the signals, so they knew when it went in what the coverage was and how to attack it,"

So you go the whole year using the same signals and are surprised/upset that someone figured it out. According to the article every NFL team (or just about) supposedly knew the Patriots were doing it and no one on the Steelers staff thinks ... hmmm maybe we want to change things up for the AFC championship game.

 

[Bad_Mo]

Most stunning part of the ESPN Article

Some of the Steelers' defensive coaches remain convinced that a deep touchdown pass from Brady to Deion Branch in the January 2005 AFC Championship Game, which was won by the Patriots 41-27, came from stolen signals because Pittsburgh hadn't changed its signals all year, sources say, and the two teams had played a game in the regular season that Walsh told investigators he believes was taped. "They knew the signals, so they knew when it went in what the coverage was and how to attack it,"

So you go the whole year using the same signals and are surprised/upset that someone figured it out. According to the article every NFL team (or just about) supposedly knew the Patriots were doing it and no one on the Steelers staff thinks ... hmmm maybe we want to change things up for the AFC championship game.

Steelers don't seem to be cutting edge, genius types so this is no surprise that they were surprised.

 

[T J]

Most stunning part of the ESPN Article

Some of the Steelers' defensive coaches remain convinced that a deep touchdown pass from Brady to Deion Branch in the January 2005 AFC Championship Game, which was won by the Patriots 41-27, came from stolen signals because Pittsburgh hadn't changed its signals all year, sources say, and the two teams had played a game in the regular season that Walsh told investigators he believes was taped. "They knew the signals, so they knew when it went in what the coverage was and how to attack it,"

So you go the whole year using the same signals and are surprised/upset that someone figured it out. According to the article every NFL team (or just about) supposedly knew the Patriots were doing it and no one on the Steelers staff thinks ... hmmm maybe we want to change things up for the AFC championship game.

No. The most stunning part is the revelation that the Patriots actually sent people in to opposing team's locker rooms to steal play sheets. Don't blame the victim.

 

[SeniorVBDStudent]

Landry, cowher, maruicci, johnson, mudd, etc,...the list of former coaches who have acknowledged signal stealing as a fact of life across the league goes on and on.

#HowmuchdidtheDolphinspayforthattape?

 

[SeniorVBDStudent]

We shouldnt ever have to change our signals.

We shouldnt ever have to coach our players how to avoid being held, cut or picked. These are examples of cheating and against the rules.

Now who's being arrogant and self-entitled?

Answer - the veangeful and jealous old boys club that is 51% of league ownership.

Owners to Kahn: you can buy a team, just not in a major market. Here...you can buy the Jags...we'll let you.

 

[devouredbychaos]

PS - If the literal litany of cheats has been shown to be ALL a lie, and the Pats actually are an upstanding organization that deserves fair respect and honor for their, now unblemished, accomplishments, please show me the text.

I'll gladly anoint them the greatest organizational dynasty of our time and apologize for my harsh words in the face of all this cheating being a ruse.

Salty much? It's just a shame there's not any evidence showing they actually cheated. But hey, if I lived outside of New England I'd be jealous too of the greatest sports franchise of the last 20 years.

 

[devouredbychaos]

Loving the justifications by the Pats homers.

Loving the cop outs and the lack of evidence by the Pats haters

 

[Todd Andrews]

Patriots are a terd

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Damn, the season starts tomorrow. How about rooting for your teams to...you know...beat the Patriots on the field. Unfortunately most of them will not, but I can't wait to see the AFC East give it a try with the rest of the division as loaded up with defensive talent as it's been in a while.

 

[GreekFreak]

Just checking in. Still no evidence of anything I see. Just unnamed sources from the NFL's four-letter mouthpiece.

PM me if anything changes, cheers mates.

And the usual suspects in here took the bait. Lets rehash 7 year old stuff and make it sound new! OMG Cheaters!! OMG OMG. Knuckle dragging mouthbreathers eat that stuff up.

 

[simey]

Don't the Patriots have a rb suspended for "cheating" with Bell?

You consider smoking weed cheating? They violated the NFL substance abuse policy, not the performing enhancing substances policy.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Just checking in. Still no evidence of anything I see. Just unnamed sources from the NFL's four-letter mouthpiece.

PM me if anything changes, cheers mates.

Well to be fair this latest story slams Goodell and the NFL more than it does the Patriots.

 

[JuniorNB]

Damn, the season starts tomorrow. How about rooting for your teams to...you know...beat the Patriots on the field. Unfortunately most of them will not, but I can't wait to see the AFC East give it a try with the rest of the division as loaded up with defensive talent as it's been in a while.

Whoooosh! Over your head. This whole thing has been about how badly the Patriots cheat. And even though it's ten years later, more and more details are coming out. They illegally filmed teams at least 40 times. I didn't know that until yesterday.

What a novel idea! Just beat them on the field. lol If it's a level playing field, I agree with you. But when they know the plays you're going to run, and you don't know there's, and when their QB is using an underinflated ball, and their backs are fumbling less because they can grip the ball better, that's hardly a level playing field.

One good thing about all of this, Brady, Belichick and company wouldn't dare to try any other illegal crap this year, right? Right? Hmmm, I wish I was more confident of that. They've always appeared to think they are above all rules and that the league has no right to tell them what they can and can't do. And Judge Berman just gave them reassurance that they may be right.

 

[FUBAR]

If cheating is cheating, then there are a lot of teams in many leagues and many sports that have cheated. If all 32 NFL teams were have found to have done something against the rules, then what? Would people label all 32 teams as cheaters? Or at that point would there be different gradations of cheating? Or would certain things be overlooked for some teams but not for others?

Someone should put together a web site with a list of all the teams and the times they've been caught cheating

That would be considered propaganda and severely one-sided to deflect attention away from the biggest cheating team in sports history.

What do the Cincinnati Reds have to do with this?

 

[BustedKnuckles]

This whole thread makes me miss the late AL DAVIS so much

 

[BroadwayG]

Altering balls after inspection wasn't in the rule book?

You're struggling man...your schtick is bad.

It sure is, and the penalty for altering balls is outlined specifically in the rule book as well.

 

[espnespn]

Damn, the season starts tomorrow. How about rooting for your teams to...you know...beat the Patriots on the field. Unfortunately most of them will not, but I can't wait to see the AFC East give it a try with the rest of the division as loaded up with defensive talent as it's been in a while.

Whoooosh! Over your head. This whole thing has been about how badly the Patriots cheat. And even though it's ten years later, more and more details are coming out. They illegally filmed teams at least 40 times. I didn't know that until yesterday.

What a novel idea! Just beat them on the field. lol If it's a level playing field, I agree with you. But when they know the plays you're going to run, and you don't know there's, and when their QB is using an underinflated ball, and their backs are fumbling less because they can grip the ball better, that's hardly a level playing field.

One good thing about all of this, Brady, Belichick and company wouldn't dare to try any other illegal crap this year, right? Right? Hmmm, I wish I was more confident of that. They've always appeared to think they are above all rules and that the league has no right to tell them what they can and can't do. And Judge Berman just gave them reassurance that they may be right.

Repeating the false accusations over and over don't make them true -- a federal judge debunked Deflategate for having no proof.

A skeptical Berman sounded unconvinced: "What is the evidence of a scheme or conspiracy that covers the Jan. 18 game? I'm having trouble finding it."

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/roger-goodell-greeted-boos-deflategate-hearing-article-1.2323018

 

[bostonfred]

Altering balls after inspection wasn't in the rule book?

You're struggling man...your schtick is bad.

It sure is, and the penalty for altering balls is outlined specifically in the rule book as well.

Moreover there was no penalty in the rule book for being generally aware of the altering of game balls.

 

[espnespn]

Cheating is cheating. Whether it's taking performance enhancing drugs or having your team camera guys dress like their from NFL Films so the other teams don't know your filming their practices or instructing your ball boys to let air out the game balls after the referees inspect them. It doesn't matter how you cheat. People hate cheaters. I'm just trying to explain to you why so many people hate your team. Because you seem confused into thinking it's because they've been successful. People didn't hate the 49ers in the 80's. Or the Jordan Bulls. Or Tiger Woods (pre womanizing scandal). Winning doesn't make you hated. Cheating constantly, and having a smug attitude about it, is why your team is hated by the other teams and their fans.

The 49ers in the '80s cheated, too, though.

If cheating is cheating, then there are a lot of teams in many leagues and many sports that have cheated. If all 32 NFL teams were have found to have done something against the rules, then what? Would people label all 32 teams as cheaters? Or at that point would there be different gradations of cheating? Or would certain things be overlooked for some teams but not for others?

Someone should put together a web site with a list of all the teams and the times they've been caught cheating

That would be considered propaganda and severely one-sided to deflect attention away from the biggest cheating team in sports history.

In fairness, the website in question positively reeks of yellow journalism. I'm firmly on board the "everyone cheats" bandwagon, and I love taking a look back at stuff like this through history. But pretending that the Broncos version of Spygate, (which as far as we know lasted one game, wasn't used, and for which every participant was fired as soon as the owner learned) was somehow worse than the Patriots version is absurd. That's taking a good idea in theory and ruining it in practice.

I'd love to read a really good, objective book on cheating in football through history. Some of the stories I've seen are amazing. Like Pop Warner having pouches sewn on the back of his jerseys and telling his players to tuck the football into them so the other team couldn't tell who had it.

I think this broaches an interesting and important component of this discussion.

Unfortunately, so many seem to want to ignore the need for nuance.

There is gamesmanship, skirting the line, cheating, blatant cheating. Some of those efforts are individual, some a team/organizational effort. It can be equipment based (stickum, grease the Jersey), trying to skirt the rules (illegal formation) etc - of course, most / many of these also have clear punishments, usually in game (15 yards, etc).

That said, at some point you have to recognize a pattern of repeated organizational attempts not to skirt rules, but to get an advantage outside the bounds of any reasonable sportsmanship, and to call into question the very integrity of the game is far beyond that.

I'd also strongly separate "cheating" on the field, even stealing of signs on that day etc, as if it's in plain view, like baseball, I feel there's a responsibility to mask communication. But when you step off the field, use staff, filming and other equipment and a number of efforts that seam quite literally more like STEALING than cheating (whatever it takes to know another teams playbook, regardless of how it's obtained).

And for anyone, Pats fan or otherwise, to suggest that there has not been a good amount of cheating already exposed, is simply keeping their head in the ground.

Anyone who ignores a federal judge saying there was no proof of deflation for the AFC game, is simply keeping their head in the ground.

A skeptical Berman sounded unconvinced: "What is the evidence of a scheme or conspiracy that covers the Jan. 18 game? I'm having trouble finding it."

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/roger-goodell-greeted-boos-deflategate-hearing-article-1.2323018

 

[irish eyes]

Whatever you do, don't disparage patriot fans in here or you'll get a warning. Guess some of the Mods are pats lovers.

 

[JuniorNB]

Damn, the season starts tomorrow. How about rooting for your teams to...you know...beat the Patriots on the field. Unfortunately most of them will not, but I can't wait to see the AFC East give it a try with the rest of the division as loaded up with defensive talent as it's been in a while.

Whoooosh! Over your head. This whole thing has been about how badly the Patriots cheat. And even though it's ten years later, more and more details are coming out. They illegally filmed teams at least 40 times. I didn't know that until yesterday.

What a novel idea! Just beat them on the field. lol If it's a level playing field, I agree with you. But when they know the plays you're going to run, and you don't know there's, and when their QB is using an underinflated ball, and their backs are fumbling less because they can grip the ball better, that's hardly a level playing field.

One good thing about all of this, Brady, Belichick and company wouldn't dare to try any other illegal crap this year, right? Right? Hmmm, I wish I was more confident of that. They've always appeared to think they are above all rules and that the league has no right to tell them what they can and can't do. And Judge Berman just gave them reassurance that they may be right.

Repeating the false accusations over and over don't make them true -- a federal judge debunked Deflategate for having no proof.

A skeptical Berman sounded unconvinced: "What is the evidence of a scheme or conspiracy that covers the Jan. 18 game? I'm having trouble finding it."

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/roger-goodell-greeted-boos-deflategate-hearing-article-1.2323018

Awesome. Another Pats fan who doesn't even know what the trial was about. lol That trial was not about the Patriot's guilt or innocence. It was about whether the league was within it's rights to administer the suspension to Brady. Last I looked, the Pats still lost two draft picks, were fined a million bucks, and two equipment guys are without a job.

 

[espnespn]

Yeah like I said back to normal.

Unbiased unnamed sources claiming new and exciting ways how the Pats cheated almost a decade ago.

It's like nothing has changed at all.

The difference being it's OTL reporting it. A branch of ESPN, a totally credible news outlet that isn't known for being a complete joke or anything.

Back to Normal.

Pats once again put back in their place (as lying cheats who have lost the respect of most of the non-Pats fan sports world) by realities that only foolish and blind fanatics could deny. Meanwhile, the rest of the universe, other players, coaches, fans, writers and most their collective role as writing history will recall this reality:

One of the best teams for a generation, that seemed to cheat literally the entire way, has forced what would have been one of if not the greatest legacy of success to become the byline of the story. A generation of cheating - which produced 4 (questionable, sadly) Super Bowl wins. Only leaves two real questions:

How many would the Pats have won without cheating (it could have been 2 or 3, I doubt 4 - but who knows, maybe you get 5 because of no distractions)? Unfortunately, because of your cheating, we will never know. Could have been more, and in a way, each you won is under a cloud of legit suspicion by 95% of the football universe.

Who else who may have deserved the win would actually be champion today, if not for the Pats cheating? Again, because of the Pats arrogance and continued, concerted effort to win at all costs, we won't know who actually DESERVED those wins.

We just have this awful feeling that the team that DID win, since they cheated (and likely in more ways than we know), shouldn't have.

See how it calls into question even the admitted success you have had? It's a sad tale. Great franchise. Repeatedly cheated and got caught. Fan base so in denial the rest of us can't even move on, because said foolish fan base really thinks they won on the up and up. When they didnt. They cheated and got caught. How much a fool does one have to be to not actually admit that. Oh, I guess we can see right here in this thread.

The Patriots got punished 1x for Spygate. A federal judge debunked the Wells Report, because it had no evidence.

A skeptical Berman sounded unconvinced: "What is the evidence of a scheme or conspiracy that covers the Jan. 18 game? I'm having trouble finding it."

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/roger-goodell-greeted-boos-deflategate-hearing-article-1.2323018

So there's no "repeatedly cheated". More like Salty Haters repeatedly make false/debunked accusations vs. Patriots (Formation-gate, Waiver-gate, Deflate-gate all debunked!)

 

[espnespn]

Damn, the season starts tomorrow. How about rooting for your teams to...you know...beat the Patriots on the field. Unfortunately most of them will not, but I can't wait to see the AFC East give it a try with the rest of the division as loaded up with defensive talent as it's been in a while.

Whoooosh! Over your head. This whole thing has been about how badly the Patriots cheat. And even though it's ten years later, more and more details are coming out. They illegally filmed teams at least 40 times. I didn't know that until yesterday.

What a novel idea! Just beat them on the field. lol If it's a level playing field, I agree with you. But when they know the plays you're going to run, and you don't know there's, and when their QB is using an underinflated ball, and their backs are fumbling less because they can grip the ball better, that's hardly a level playing field.

One good thing about all of this, Brady, Belichick and company wouldn't dare to try any other illegal crap this year, right? Right? Hmmm, I wish I was more confident of that. They've always appeared to think they are above all rules and that the league has no right to tell them what they can and can't do. And Judge Berman just gave them reassurance that they may be right.

Repeating the false accusations over and over don't make them true -- a federal judge debunked Deflategate for having no proof.

A skeptical Berman sounded unconvinced: "What is the evidence of a scheme or conspiracy that covers the Jan. 18 game? I'm having trouble finding it."

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/roger-goodell-greeted-boos-deflategate-hearing-article-1.2323018

Awesome. Another Pats fan who doesn't even know what the trial was about. lol That trial was not about the Patriot's guilt or innocence. It was about whether the league was within it's rights to administer the suspension to Brady. Last I looked, the Pats still lost two draft picks, were fined a million bucks, and two equipment guys are without a job.

Awesome, another Salty Hater who can't read plain English. The judge said there was no evidence. That's as clear as day.

 

[davper]

Patriots ordered the high school players to tackle the ref as a message to the NFL refs that calls better go there way.