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Patriots stealing signals? (1 Viewer)
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Macdaddy_2004
Footballguy
Cheaters
AnonymousBob
Footballguy
What's the problem? If they cheated and were caught, they'll be punished.
The NFL encourages cheating.
The NFL encourages cheating.
KnowledgeReignsSupreme
Footballguy
I wonder how common this is? If it's very common they are being singled out because of their status.
jonessed
Footballguy
I've never heard of it with any other team. I don't exactly follow it though. Perhaps someone else can chime in if they know.
Mungo Burrows
Footballguy
Workhorse
Footballguy
IIRC, Don Banks reported that it was pretty widespread - A lot of home teams apparently had an extra camera up in the press box that focused solely on the opposing signal callers. But the NFL made it a point to remind all the teams that it was against the rules. If the Pats were still doing this, they deserve whatever punishment gets handed down.If the NFL rules that there was nothing to this, the Jets come off looking like a bunch of whiners desperate for excuses.Gonna be interesting.
B-Deep
Footballguy
what about smoke bombs?
sheerterror
Footballguy
I would think they are being singled out because they got caught. Twice.
Banger
Footballguy
jonessed
Footballguy
Still a fire. Just a real small one.
B-Deep
Footballguy
ok, you are probably right then!
1huskerfan
Footballguy
sartre
Footballguy
The Giants were accused of it the year of their last Superbowl run. They trounced the Eagles and then another team (the Bucs?) in the playoffs and there were some accusations of sign stealing. I don't remember the particulars though.
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KnowledgeReignsSupreme
Footballguy
Jets can't look good either way.
Scenario 1: It's widespread, they knew the Pats would be doing it (especially with Mangini being under Bellichick) and still got their signals stolen.
Scenario 2: The Pats didn't do it. Obvious result.
Scenario 1: It's widespread, they knew the Pats would be doing it (especially with Mangini being under Bellichick) and still got their signals stolen.
Scenario 2: The Pats didn't do it. Obvious result.
greenf7cat
Footballguy
I cant believe this!! Why would they all of a sudden get punished now, when it was swept under the rug the 1st time? I think that NE will get away with this one too.
jonessed
Footballguy
It's apparently the same cameraman as well. Must be a big Pats fan.
sheerterror
Footballguy
Here's another blurb about it taken from one of the Jet messageboards:
JC Exclusive - Pats accused of taping signals
By Dan Leberfeld
Editor
Posted Sep 9, 2007
It’s no secret the Jets and Patriots are two organizations that aren’t on the best of terms. And after the stunt the Patriots reportedly pulled at the Meadowlands on Sunday, the relationship might have just taken a turn for the worse.
According to a Meadowlands source, a member of the Patriots organization, with a credential issued by the team, was spotted by Jets security chief Steve Yarnell shooting near the New York bench.
And according to the stadium source, when questioned by Yarnell, the unnamed individual said that he was put up to it by the Patriots.
The cameraman was reportedly accused by Yarnell of shooting the Jets' signals that were being sent by the coaches from the sidelines.
The source says that the NFL is being made aware of this accusation.
If this is true, the Patriots could be subject to a serious punishment from the league office.
JC Exclusive - Pats accused of taping signals
By Dan Leberfeld
Editor
Posted Sep 9, 2007
It’s no secret the Jets and Patriots are two organizations that aren’t on the best of terms. And after the stunt the Patriots reportedly pulled at the Meadowlands on Sunday, the relationship might have just taken a turn for the worse.
According to a Meadowlands source, a member of the Patriots organization, with a credential issued by the team, was spotted by Jets security chief Steve Yarnell shooting near the New York bench.
And according to the stadium source, when questioned by Yarnell, the unnamed individual said that he was put up to it by the Patriots.
The cameraman was reportedly accused by Yarnell of shooting the Jets' signals that were being sent by the coaches from the sidelines.
The source says that the NFL is being made aware of this accusation.
If this is true, the Patriots could be subject to a serious punishment from the league office.
bostonfred
Footballguy
Are these the same Jets that brought Reche Caldwell in for a debriefing before the game?
Kit Fisto
Footballguy
"That type of sign-stealing goes on a ton in the league,'' said one NFL source who was both a former coach and player in the league.
Banks goes on to say this about Free Agency: One way that insight can be helpful is in the identifying of an opponent's calls at the line of scrimmage, from a first-hand source who played or coached for that team in the recent past.
You mean like Mangini bringing Reche Caldwell in the week the Jets play the Pats?
Nothing to see here. If the Pats get fined or docked a draft pick, so be it.
Banks goes on to say this about Free Agency: One way that insight can be helpful is in the identifying of an opponent's calls at the line of scrimmage, from a first-hand source who played or coached for that team in the recent past.
You mean like Mangini bringing Reche Caldwell in the week the Jets play the Pats?
Nothing to see here. If the Pats get fined or docked a draft pick, so be it.
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
Frankly, if this is all true, then the NFL wouldn't be going far enough by taking away draft picks. The punishment should be the forfeiture of the game. Because the bottom line in the NFL is about winning or losing. And if they cheated like that and it helped them win in any way, then that win should be wiped off the books.
jonessed
Footballguy
I believe that is legal.
bostonfred
Footballguy
Maybe it's a big misunderstanding, and he's just a Jets fan who loves watching coaches.
Loan Sharks
Not a Wolf
Unless Goodell is behind this. If this was ordered by the commish, he is quickley surpassing Dirty Harry, and people will soon be scared to death the mess with him. Players going down with bad conduct, asst coaches nailed and if he tattoos the Pats for somthing shady, this is going to be the cleanest sport around in no time.
jonessed
Footballguy
He works for the Patriots.
Kit Fisto
Footballguy
That would be a major f-ing tweak to Mangina!
hellz_fireflies
Footballguy
The green dot on Qb's helmets means it has Wi-Fi capability..a kid in the stands can hear them with the proper gear!
bostonfred
Footballguy
I'm pretty sure that's Goodell's new penalty for holding and offsides, too. Immediate forfeiture of the game.
So you think this played any role in New England's AWESOME pass protection against the Jets.
Reaper
Footballguy
I don't think it has anything to do with the Jets....A Security guy questioned a guy filming the Jets sideline - It will be investigated... That's all....It's not about the score of the game, whining or excuses about anything... The Jets got whupped by probably the best team in the NFL while they continue to rebuild..... Seperate issues.
Exactly.
NYCGangGreen
Footballguy
BB hates the possibility of losing to the JETS, but this is going way too far. So he is pissed at Mangini for leaving and using tactics that BB himself does, (ie: Reche Caldwell being brought in), but this is just disgusting. As if I didnt hate BB enough before these accusations, this just makes me sick to my stomach and I hope that if these allegations are proven true, I hope Goodell comes down with the same authority he does to the players.
bostonfred
Footballguy
You want him to suspend the Patriots' cameraman for four games? That doesn't seem to be sending the right message at all.
1huskerfan
Footballguy
These are professionals we are talking about right? Maybe teams should consider sending a dummy set of signs in to throw the other team off. Wait that only works in college. Stealing signals is a part of every game that uses them. If they can adjust to it in Little League, you'd think the NFL could do the same.
Pittsburgh United
Footballguy
A-ha! So this explains those AFC Championship game wins over the Steelers!!!
Ghoti
Footballguy
Huh, I guess there is something to the paranoia. Watching the Pack/Eagles game yesterday, they frequently showed the Eagles' defensive coordinator with two guys literally standing in front of him with towels held up to cover his face when he was giving signals.
I kept wondering why he couldn’t just hold up his own clipboard in front of his face, but whatever works I guess…
I kept wondering why he couldn’t just hold up his own clipboard in front of his face, but whatever works I guess…
randall146
Footballguy
- Why is signal stealing even illegal?
KnowledgeReignsSupreme
Footballguy
Not the same thing, but keep doing the lord's work.
