Patriots to consider cutting Randy Moss? (1 Viewer)

[gianmarco]

Any homers with any news on this?

This was posted on another forum. Trying to locate the source and not sure about credibility, but.....

"MOSS ON THE BUBBLE?

There's talk among some league insiders that the New England Patriots are considering whether to release receiver Randy Moss.

Seriously.

We scoffed when we heard it, but then a source explained that the question the Pats are believed to be pondering is whether Moss will become a problem if he is not a focal point of the offense -- or if he isn't in the opening-day starting lineup.

And we agree that this sounds crazy. Exactly as crazy as, say, any rumors that would have been making the rounds on Friday morning that the Jaguars were planning to part ways with Byron Leftwich.

Moss currently is listed as one of the starters at receiver, along with Donte' Stallworth. But Moss suffered a pulled hamstring several weeks ago and has seen only limited duty since then, opening the door for other wideouts to show what they can do.

If this rumor is true, the only logical explanation is that the Pats are wrestling with whether Moss is a luxury that they don't need in order to be successful -- and whether his presence could actually keep them from their goals if he is unhappy with his role.

As we see it, however, it would be easy enough to dump him if he turns out to be a problem. The only financial risk would be his $2.5 million base salary, which becomes guaranteed if he's on the roster when the regular season begins (if he is released and chooses to take the rest of the money as his one-time termination pay).

Then again, maybe coach Bill Belichick doesn't want to divert his attention from getting the team ready to play by monitoring whether a grown man is behaving like one.

The situation bears watching as Saturday unfolds. Even if Moss stays, there's sure to be plenty of upheaval at the receiver position as final cuts are made, given that ten receivers are still on the roster, including Moss, Stallworth, Wes Welker, Reche Caldwell, Jabar Gaffney, Kelley Washington, Bam Childress, Kelvin Kight, Chris Dunlap, and C.J. Jones."

 

[GreedoShotFirst]

the guys at PFT have pretty good sources, but this is hard to believe. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that if he was cut, he would not need to go through waivers and would be able to sign where ever he wanted. Oh boy, I'm sure Danny Snyder is warming up Redskins One.

 

[Traders2001]

There s big difference between Moss and Leftwich . Moss numbers will put him in HOF in a few years ( ANd he still has some good years ahead ) WHile Leftwich has been a subpar QB since he came in the league .

Leftwich being cut does nt surprise at all.

 

[Lash]

IN!! before the lock

(this is just a ploy to motivate +a+um beII)

 

[Traders2001]

IN!! before the lock(this is just a ploy to motivate +a+um beII)

Actually i think this will change this year ( Seeing how things in Miami are shaping up ) it will become a ploy to motivate Ronnie Brown .

 

[Beerguzzler]

moss in the HOF.....LOL will never happen

 

[NE_REVIVAL]

There s big difference between Moss and Leftwich . Moss numbers will put him in HOF in a few years ( ANd he still has some good years ahead ) WHile Leftwich has been a subpar QB since he came in the league . Leftwich being cut does nt surprise at all.

Agreed, the very poor analogy stood out as I read the "rumor" article; no one following the the Jags QB situation over the last couple of years would have called the decision to go with Garrard "crazy". I have not heard a hint of negativty with regards to Moss's behavior on or off the field.I may have egg on my face in a few hours, but IMO, Randy Moss has as a better chance of getting pregnant than he does of getting cut today.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

I'd be surprised to see this happen, but if you step back a minute it's not totally out of keeping with NE's general take on WRs. They seem to want a committee of guys, and don't like tying up salary $$ at the position. If they're happy with Welker and Stallworth, and think that Chad Jackson has a future with the team they may not want to carry Moss after all. And you'd still have depth with Gaffney and etc.

 

[spurs44]

There s big difference between Moss and Leftwich . Moss numbers will put him in HOF in a few years ( ANd he still has some good years ahead ) WHile Leftwich has been a subpar QB since he came in the league . Leftwich being cut does nt surprise at all.

You mean hall of shame.

 

[coolnerd]

Considering Moss has not played in the pre-seson and does not have a crazy cap hit, not that far fetched. right now the name Randy Moss is much beter than the player RAndy Moss. Anyway, NE has not been afraid to make bold moves. Heck, trading for him was an aggressive move as they had already signed a couple of guys to nice contract in the off season.

 

[BigRed]

Leftwich being cut does nt surprise at all.

yeah I believe thatI'm not exactly convinced about Moss being cut either, to say the least. Given the guy's upside and relatively low risk/low cost (I believe, not sure of contract), it would make no sense to cut him. True that was said about Leftwich, but that was a unique situation, and unlikely things are called "unlikely" for a reason. Sounds like some "let's try and guess the next big scoop since if we're wrong nobody will remember anyway" bit.Can't wait for the "I just heard Travis Henry is going to be cut" rumours.

 

[TheDirtyWord]

I think this is a "where there is smoke there is fire" situation. I remember when the Pats dealt for him that the rationale was that Moss would have to fall into line. He hasn't been a disruption yet, but I can see where Belichick would rationalize that Moss did nothing to impress him this training camp/pre-season and that they have plenty of WR's and Brady options to make do. Even without the Moss acquisition, the Pats did alot to improve in this area.

The logic put forth in PFT's piece makes sense and quite frankly, it seems like a Belichick/Patriot thing to do.

 

[drdgreenlove]

My take:

If so BIG BUMP for Welker...

and maybe Randy goes toJax to be witth Tice???

 

[duaneok66]

Considering Moss has not played in the pre-seson and does not have a crazy cap hit, not that far fetched. right now the name Randy Moss is much beter than the player RAndy Moss. Anyway, NE has not been afraid to make bold moves. Heck, trading for him was an aggressive move as they had already signed a couple of guys to nice contract in the off season.

the guy hasn't practriced since 8/1 . . . he's had a few subpar years in Oakland . . .agree . . . its not that far fetched . . .

 

[fishhard03]

Would Favre get his way? Maybe he's licking his chops but I still wouldn't want Moss in Green Bay!!!

 

[duaneok66]

My take:

If so BIG BUMP for Welker...

and maybe Randy goes toJax to be witth Tice???

wrong . . . Welker's a slot guy . . .Gaffney probably gets the slot . . .

 

[drdgreenlove]

My take:

If so BIG BUMP for Welker...

and maybe Randy goes toJax to be witth Tice???

wrong . . . Welker's a slot guy . . .Gaffney probably gets the slot . . .

wrong to you, right to me...if he doesnt come, 60 more balls (or what ever Randy would have caught) have to be caught by someone.. Welker will be a good possession guy..

Stallworth is not a possession guy and cant be counted on for more than 50-70 (max) receptions a year

Who will step up?

Branch did 78 998 5.. Welker could esilty do that

 

[duaneok66]

My take:

If so BIG BUMP for Welker...

and maybe Randy goes toJax to be witth Tice???

wrong . . . Welker's a slot guy . . .Gaffney probably gets the slot . . .

wrong to you, right to me...if he doesnt come, 60 more balls (or what ever Randy would have caught) have to be caught by someone.. Welker will be a good possession guy..

Stallworth is not a possession guy and cant be counted on for more than 50-70 (max) receptions a year

Who will step up?

Gaffney is a possession guy that will be in the slot . . .

 

[Frank Black]

moss in the HOF.....LOL will never happen

 

[watsonrm]

Common fallacy. If X player is cut, then Y balls have to be caught by someone. So distribute Y across the other receivers.

Without Moss on the team, the Pats run a little more, and the rest you distribute equally, not to one guy, given what we all know about the Pats system.

 

[BigRed]

Common fallacy. If X player is cut, then Y balls have to be caught by someone. So distribute Y across the other receivers.Without Moss on the team, the Pats run a little more, and the rest you distribute equally, not to one guy, given what we all know about the Pats system.

Exactly.

 

[twitch]

Troy Brown and Chad Jackson are already on the 6 week PUP list. Decisions would need to be made on them after that. For now, Stallworth, Welker, Gaffney and Caldwell I believe are on the team. So, it would be between Moss and Kelly Washington. Who would YOU keep?

 

[vegasrobb]

Troy Brown and Chad Jackson are already on the 6 week PUP list. Decisions would need to be made on them after that. For now, Stallworth, Welker, Gaffney and Caldwell I believe are on the team. So, it would be between Moss and Kelly Washington. Who would YOU keep?

No reason to not keep both. 5-6 WRs seems around right for most teams in the NFL.

 

[proninja]

I may have egg on my face in a few hours, but IMO, Randy Moss has as a better chance of getting pregnant than he does of getting cut today.

Well, he has been catching passes from Tom Brady...

 

[Jbl1967]

Troy Brown and Chad Jackson are already on the 6 week PUP list. Decisions would need to be made on them after that. For now, Stallworth, Welker, Gaffney and Caldwell I believe are on the team. So, it would be between Moss and Kelly Washington. Who would YOU keep?

Not a chance he gets cut!

 

[Anthony Borbely]

Right now the name Randy Moss is much better than the player Randy Moss.

This says it all about Moss.

 

[Toads]

My take:

If so BIG BUMP for Welker...

and maybe Randy goes toJax to be witth Tice???

wrong . . . Welker's a slot guy . . .Gaffney probably gets the slot . . .

wrong to you, right to me...if he doesnt come, 60 more balls (or what ever Randy would have caught) have to be caught by someone.. Welker will be a good possession guy..

Stallworth is not a possession guy and cant be counted on for more than 50-70 (max) receptions a year

Who will step up?

Gaffney is a possession guy that will be in the slot . . .

Absolutely no comparison as to Jafney and Welker.NEP targeted Welker for a reason: paid him Big Money. Jafney's an after thought.

This is why we do what we do, figure out situations that impact stastics, impact other players performance stats.....Welker get's a big bump.

 

[Anthony Borbely]

My take:

If so BIG BUMP for Welker...

and maybe Randy goes toJax to be witth Tice???

wrong . . . Welker's a slot guy . . .Gaffney probably gets the slot . . .

Which will be the slot guy?

 

[mad sweeney]

Common fallacy. If X player is cut, then Y balls have to be caught by someone. So distribute Y across the other receivers.Without Moss on the team, the Pats run a little more, and the rest you distribute equally, not to one guy, given what we all know about the Pats system.

Agree, which will still bump Welker up a bit as he seems to be the most impressive receiver so far. Makes him probably a solid WR3, with aspirations of WR2. I have him stashed as my WR4 and 5 on two teams with little thought of using him other than bye weeks but if true he might get thrown into the matchup game. If true that is. I agree with the poster who says it is not that far fetched, especially since the chances of him going to a division rival are slim. Certainly nothing to influence any drafts you might have until it happens though.

 

[Toads]

My take:

If so BIG BUMP for Welker...

and maybe Randy goes toJax to be witth Tice???

wrong . . . Welker's a slot guy . . .Gaffney probably gets the slot . . .

Which will be the slot guy?

Makes no difference: who get's the medium range targets is the question. Actually, who get's the most targets is the question.The problem with Stallworth and Moss is that they are both the same player. That's why Welker succeeds in this OFF: he's the medium range guy.

It makes no difference where Welker starts....in motion, from the slot, or from ether side of the field. It's where he ends up that counts and.....how many targets he gets.

 

[Anthony Borbely]

My take:

If so BIG BUMP for Welker...

and maybe Randy goes toJax to be witth Tice???

wrong . . . Welker's a slot guy . . .Gaffney probably gets the slot . . .

Which will be the slot guy?

Makes no difference: who get's the medium range targets is the question. Actually, who get's the most targets is the question.The problem with Stallworth and Moss is that they are both the same player. That's why Welker succeeds in this OFF: he's the medium range guy.

It makes no difference where Welker starts....in motion, from the slot, or from ether side of the field. It's where he ends up that counts and.....how many targets he gets.

I'm just wondering which one that poster thinks will be the slot guy, since he said both were. There is no doubt in my mind that Welker will get a lot more targets than Gaffney no matter who starts where.

 

[duaneok66]

My take:

If so BIG BUMP for Welker...

and maybe Randy goes toJax to be witth Tice???

wrong . . . Welker's a slot guy . . .Gaffney probably gets the slot . . .

Which will be the slot guy?

Makes no difference: who get's the medium range targets is the question. Actually, who get's the most targets is the question.The problem with Stallworth and Moss is that they are both the same player. That's why Welker succeeds in this OFF: he's the medium range guy.

It makes no difference where Welker starts....in motion, from the slot, or from ether side of the field. It's where he ends up that counts and.....how many targets he gets.

I'm just wondering which one that poster thinks will be the slot guy, since he said both were. There is no doubt in my mind that Welker will get a lot more targets than Gaffney no matter who starts where.

my mistake . . . I meant that Welker is the slot guy, and Gaffney plays on the outside in 2WR sets . . .

 

[Cookiemonster]

Right now the name Randy Moss is much better than the player Randy Moss.

This says it all about Moss.

BINGOWe have a winner. Raider personnel were saying just after the trade that Moss is a speed guy who is quickly losing his legs. He hasn't bothered to learn route running, so is little more than a deep threat. Because he doesn't practice hard, or work hard in the offseason, he is aging very quickly and losing his burst. Most top talents strive to be the best and work very hard and study very hard to remain the best. At the tail end of their careers, they can survive a couple more seasons on moxie and experience. Moss is not one of those guys. He performed well due to his freakish physical talents and as those talents degrade, he has nothing else to fall back on.

He is like the the replica jerseys we have to buy from Reebok. The quality has fallen off, but there are no other options so we pay $70 for them. When competition was between Russel, Champion, Nike, Reebok and Wilson, we paid $30 for them and you could actually wash them for a year or two before all the silk screening came off. Moss is Reebok. There are no other brands on the shelf right now. The #s have begun to fade before purchase, but with a lack of options, you pay twice as much for 1/2 the product.

 

[FavreCo]

IN!! before the lock

(this is just a ploy to motivate +a+um beII)

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...6&hl=briggsWatch it. Some tool might just berate you for 'old shtick. Or some other tool might think it only applies to Lendale White.

 

[Weekend Warrior]

Great analogy on Moss, I agree 100%

Moss=Reebok

 

[spurs44]

Would Favre get his way? Maybe he's licking his chops but I still wouldn't want Moss in Green Bay!!!

You kidding me! Green Bay has a very young team. No way they want a guy like that!

 

[PahtyTom]

Moss is not due a lot of money. Doubtufl he gets cut.

 

[Jason Wood]

Moss is not due a lot of money. Doubtufl he gets cut.

He actually isn't...for all this talk of how selfish a guy he is, Moss took a massive paycut voluntarily to facilitate the trade. He's due $3mm with incentives; and signed a one-year deal.

 

[PahtyTom]

Moss is not due a lot of money. Doubtufl he gets cut.

He actually isn't...for all this talk of how selfish a guy he is, Moss took a massive paycut voluntarily to facilitate the trade. He's due $3mm with incentives; and signed a one-year deal.

I can't tell if you misread or not, but I said Moss is NOT due a lot of money.They don't have much incentive to cut him with a low price tag and a high upside.

 

[Jason Wood]

Moss is not due a lot of money. Doubtufl he gets cut.

He actually isn't...for all this talk of how selfish a guy he is, Moss took a massive paycut voluntarily to facilitate the trade. He's due $3mm with incentives; and signed a one-year deal.

I can't tell if you misread or not, but I said Moss is NOT due a lot of money.They don't have much incentive to cut him with a low price tag and a high upside.

Hey Tom,Sorry I did misread what you typed. But I'm confused, why would you think a small contract would preclude them from releasing him? If they don't think Moss can be a starter for them, they aren't going to keep him around and stew on the bench as a malcontent. Moss is only going to be a positive for this team if he's a starter, I think that's a certainty.

 

[JohnnyU]

Moss is not due a lot of money. Doubtufl he gets cut.

He actually isn't...for all this talk of how selfish a guy he is, Moss took a massive paycut voluntarily to facilitate the trade. He's due $3mm with incentives; and signed a one-year deal.

I can't tell if you misread or not, but I said Moss is NOT due a lot of money.They don't have much incentive to cut him with a low price tag and a high upside.

Somehow I feel that team chemistry is more important to the Patriots than Moss' low price tag and perceived high upside. Key word "perceived".

 

[CrossEyed]

This sounds like someone speculating. Has Moss done anything since he arrived in NE that would suggest he'll cause trouble there? I realize he hasn't been on the field for a while, but if they felt good enough about him to bring him in, why would they cut him now?

 

[gregjcross]

Calling J.Gaffney an afterthought means you are not paying attention to what he has done in NE, you are only basing it what he did for HOU and PHI.

I'll believe Moss is cut when i see it but i know this: Moss is a sneaky form of cancer, unless everything is giong in his favor. He is also overrated but he could put up some big numbers when motivated and esp. with Brady.

My take:

If so BIG BUMP for Welker...

and maybe Randy goes toJax to be witth Tice???

wrong . . . Welker's a slot guy . . .Gaffney probably gets the slot . . .

wrong to you, right to me...if he doesnt come, 60 more balls (or what ever Randy would have caught) have to be caught by someone.. Welker will be a good possession guy..

Stallworth is not a possession guy and cant be counted on for more than 50-70 (max) receptions a year

Who will step up?

Gaffney is a possession guy that will be in the slot . . .

Absolutely no comparison as to Jafney and Welker.NEP targeted Welker for a reason: paid him Big Money. Jafney's an after thought.

This is why we do what we do, figure out situations that impact stastics, impact other players performance stats.....Welker get's a big bump.

 

[PahtyTom]

Moss is not due a lot of money. Doubtufl he gets cut.

He actually isn't...for all this talk of how selfish a guy he is, Moss took a massive paycut voluntarily to facilitate the trade. He's due $3mm with incentives; and signed a one-year deal.

I can't tell if you misread or not, but I said Moss is NOT due a lot of money.They don't have much incentive to cut him with a low price tag and a high upside.

Hey Tom,Sorry I did misread what you typed. But I'm confused, why would you think a small contract would preclude them from releasing him? If they don't think Moss can be a starter for them, they aren't going to keep him around and stew on the bench as a malcontent. Moss is only going to be a positive for this team if he's a starter, I think that's a certainty.

Well I figured that if the contract was bigger, and they had doubts about him, then they would be more inclined to cut him now and not have to pay him. But, since it's smaller, they can keep him around because of his upside and if he does become a malcontent, they could cut him at a later date and it would cost them, but not that much.

 

[strong]

This sounds like someone speculating. Has Moss done anything since he arrived in NE that would suggest he'll cause trouble there? I realize he hasn't been on the field for a while, but if they felt good enough about him to bring him in, why would they cut him now?

No, he probably hasn't done anything wrong yet. But if you're New England, you would have to consider it a rather large risk to your team cohesion to keep Moss around if he's not starting. Also, the Raiders said Moss was basically a speed guy that was only effective running in a straight direction... If that's true, then I don't see how Moss starts for New England... Not like the Patriots have had much of a chance to see Moss prove otherwise and they may be willing to cut their losses at this point... This rumor is surprising but it makes some sense.

 

[Fantaholic]

Great analogy on Moss, I agree 100% Moss=Reebok

I guess that makes all these guys Wilsons????????Steve Smith Chad Johnson Marvin HarrisonTerrell Owens Roy Williams Larry FitzgeraldReggie Wayne T.J. Houshmandzadeh Javon Walker Lee Evans Anquan Boldin Torry Holt Andre JohnsonDonald Driver Marques ColstonPlaxico Burress Santana Moss

 

[SmoovySmoov]

I may have egg on my face in a few hours, but IMO, Randy Moss has as a better chance of getting pregnant than he does of getting cut today.

Well, he has been catching passes from Tom Brady...

:zing:

 

[Boston]

It's now 2:40 and Mike Reiss of Boston.com has not reported on this rumor. Due to that I'd be surprised if it has legs. Reiss is usually right on top of what's going on in Foxboro and if he misses something this big it would be a shocker.

If this is true it would be coming out of leftfield. All reports indicated Moss looked real good pre-injury and that he's been a good soldier who has bought into the Patriot system. There have been no negative rumors floating around which isn't unusual since the Pats are so tight-lipped with regards to the media. Yet, I learned long ago never to be surprised by anything that this franchise does. If he does get cut than there has to be something big going on in the background. Moss has a very team-friendly contract so nothing is gained on that end.

 

[Cookiemonster]

Great analogy on Moss, I agree 100%

Moss=Reebok

I guess that makes all these guys Wilsons????????Steve Smith

Chad Johnson

Marvin Harrison

Terrell Owens

Roy Williams

Larry Fitzgerald

Reggie Wayne

T.J. Houshmandzadeh

Javon Walker

Lee Evans

Anquan Boldin

Torry Holt

Andre Johnson

Donald Driver

Marques Colston

Plaxico Burress

Santana Moss

Deep threat and available. Jury's out on a couple of these guys for me, but they are authentics, not replicas. We're looking at Ashley Lelie, Stallworth, Curtis and a couple others that were recently available deep-threats. So, who has a name like Moss? There's only one - Randy. Stallworth and Curtis may be worth $3 mil/yr, but really... limit the possibilities and the lone big-name gets the $. Randy is a shell of what he once was, and is 1/2 the product going for too much $. He's a value @ $3 mil? I say no. Sure, it's 1/2 of what he was getting paid, but I would think he is expendable.BTW, there's only one real Wilson... CEDRICK!!! Yahooooo!

 

[gregjcross]

SunChron newspaper carries similar sentiment about Moss, listing at #1 -- and on the bubble at the same time

Patriots rounding roster into regular-season form

BY MARK FARINELLA / SUN CHRONICLE STAFF

Saturday, September 1, 2007 12:16 AM EDT

http://www.thesunchronicle.com/articles/20...rts/sports3.txt

I may have egg on my face in a few hours, but IMO, Randy Moss has as a better chance of getting pregnant than he does of getting cut today.

Well, he has been catching passes from Tom Brady...

:zing: