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200k house here and you are looking at 6500 in property taxes.

Threshold for 10000 in property taxes in texas is roughly $350-365k depending on the city and county tax rates.

I also seriously question being able to afford food for a month for $200. I'd like to audit that.
We spend between $500 and $600 a month for our family of five. (that includes two 17 year old boys) I think I could live comfortably on $200 a month for one person. Of course that depends on what city you are living in.
Comfortably on $7/day? One fast food meal taps you out for the day. A decent steak puts you over. I'd also love to see the audit for that.
He lives is a town with 12K people. Gas. Tank a month maybe? Not many repairs driving 3K a year. Presents 1000.00 a year max, he only gave cash. Golf:

http://www.sylvanheightsgolfcourse.com/request_membership/

That is 510.00 for a season membership.

But at the end he didn't even get that, he played so little. No movies. Coffee and cookies was probably his biggest food expenditure. You are just wrong. I know this for a FACT.

 
If you go to costco and buy a #### ton of frozen protein. Eat nothing but cereal from a bag with water for breakfast with instant coffee, and frozen vegetables you might could slide under 200 a month. You'd be getting basically one fresh food meal a week, at best.

 
200k house here and you are looking at 6500 in property taxes.

Threshold for 10000 in property taxes in texas is roughly $350-365k depending on the city and county tax rates.

I also seriously question being able to afford food for a month for $200. I'd like to audit that.
We spend between $500 and $600 a month for our family of five. (that includes two 17 year old boys) I think I could live comfortably on $200 a month for one person. Of course that depends on what city you are living in.
Comfortably on $7/day? One fast food meal taps you out for the day. A decent steak puts you over. I'd also love to see the audit for that.
Chicken breast @ 1.99 lb @ 10lb= $20

Microwaved veggies at $1 a bag @ 30=$30

Pasta @ 1.99 a box @ 5 boxes=$10

Bread @ 1.99 a loaf @ 3 loaves = $6

Milk @ $4 a gallon @ 3 gallons = $12

Cold Cuts and Cheeses at $7 a lb @ 8 lbs=$56

Cereal @ $5 a box @ 4 boxes =$20

Condiments = $6

Booze =$40

200 a month, substitute steaks for booze if you want.

 
It was basically cookies and coffee for breakfast. Sandwich (pb&J)or leftovers for lunch. Frozen dinner or something a family member dropped off for supper. He did not cook, except for poached eggs. He liked soup, sweets and ice cream. No cold cuts, no milk, no pasta, no cereal no chicken or steak. He did like cheap beer. He always had frozen pizza too but he wouldn't cook it.

 
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It was basically cookies and coffee for breakfast. Sandwich (pb&J)or leftovers for lunch. Frozen dinner or something a family member dropped off for supper. He did not cook, except for poached eggs. He liked soup, sweets and ice cream. No cold cuts, no milk, no pasta, no cereal no chicken or steak. He did like cheap beer. He always had frozen pizza too but he wouldn't cook it.
You got me. That is some bare, bare bones living, but it sounds like it can be done.

 
200k house here and you are looking at 6500 in property taxes.

Threshold for 10000 in property taxes in texas is roughly $350-365k depending on the city and county tax rates.

I also seriously question being able to afford food for a month for $200. I'd like to audit that.
We spend between $500 and $600 a month for our family of five. (that includes two 17 year old boys) I think I could live comfortably on $200 a month for one person. Of course that depends on what city you are living in.
Comfortably on $7/day? One fast food meal taps you out for the day. A decent steak puts you over. I'd also love to see the audit for that.
Chicken breast @ 1.99 lb @ 10lb= $20

Microwaved veggies at $1 a bag @ 30=$30

Pasta @ 1.99 a box @ 5 boxes=$10

Bread @ 1.99 a loaf @ 3 loaves = $6

Milk @ $4 a gallon @ 3 gallons = $12

Cold Cuts and Cheeses at $7 a lb @ 8 lbs=$56

Cereal @ $5 a box @ 4 boxes =$20

Condiments = $6

Booze =$40

200 a month, substitute steaks for booze if you want.
Ran the numbers on this

1400 calories a day, and that's being really liberal on some items.

With more than 60% of daily calories coming from carbs. Also getting 92% of calories from processed foods. That's poverty conditions.

 
200k house here and you are looking at 6500 in property taxes.

Threshold for 10000 in property taxes in texas is roughly $350-365k depending on the city and county tax rates.

I also seriously question being able to afford food for a month for $200. I'd like to audit that.
We spend between $500 and $600 a month for our family of five. (that includes two 17 year old boys) I think I could live comfortably on $200 a month for one person. Of course that depends on what city you are living in.
Comfortably on $7/day? One fast food meal taps you out for the day. A decent steak puts you over. I'd also love to see the audit for that.
[SIZE=13.63636302948px]You're not paying attention. My Mom fed a family of seven, and saved enough for them to retire comfortably. She taught us all how to plan, cook, and live within our means. [/SIZE][SIZE=13.63636302948px]The only caveat is where you draw the line on what is part of your grocery budget. Is it only food, or does that include dish soap, laundry detergent,, toilet paper?[/SIZE]

 
200k house here and you are looking at 6500 in property taxes.

Threshold for 10000 in property taxes in texas is roughly $350-365k depending on the city and county tax rates.

I also seriously question being able to afford food for a month for $200. I'd like to audit that.
We spend between $500 and $600 a month for our family of five. (that includes two 17 year old boys) I think I could live comfortably on $200 a month for one person. Of course that depends on what city you are living in.
Comfortably on $7/day? One fast food meal taps you out for the day. A decent steak puts you over. I'd also love to see the audit for that.
Chicken breast @ 1.99 lb @ 10lb= $20

Microwaved veggies at $1 a bag @ 30=$30

Pasta @ 1.99 a box @ 5 boxes=$10

Bread @ 1.99 a loaf @ 3 loaves = $6

Milk @ $4 a gallon @ 3 gallons = $12

Cold Cuts and Cheeses at $7 a lb @ 8 lbs=$56

Cereal @ $5 a box @ 4 boxes =$20

Condiments = $6

Booze =$40

200 a month, substitute steaks for booze if you want.
Am I supposed to starve the next 3 weeks?

 
200k house here and you are looking at 6500 in property taxes.

Threshold for 10000 in property taxes in texas is roughly $350-365k depending on the city and county tax rates.

I also seriously question being able to afford food for a month for $200. I'd like to audit that.
We spend between $500 and $600 a month for our family of five. (that includes two 17 year old boys) I think I could live comfortably on $200 a month for one person. Of course that depends on what city you are living in.
Comfortably on $7/day? One fast food meal taps you out for the day. A decent steak puts you over. I'd also love to see the audit for that.
[SIZE=13.63636302948px]You're not paying attention. My Mom fed a family of seven, and saved enough for them to retire comfortably. She taught us all how to plan, cook, and live within our means. [/SIZE][SIZE=13.63636302948px]The only caveat is where you draw the line on what is part of your grocery budget. Is it only food, or does that include dish soap, laundry detergent,, toilet paper?[/SIZE]
I hear ya, but its the definition of comfortable that obviously different for all of us. You pretty much couldn't go out to eat anywhere beyond maybe fast food once or twice a month or the budget would be shot. That isn't what I'd consider live comfortably. That's some really tight living.

 
200k house here and you are looking at 6500 in property taxes.

Threshold for 10000 in property taxes in texas is roughly $350-365k depending on the city and county tax rates.

I also seriously question being able to afford food for a month for $200. I'd like to audit that.
We spend between $500 and $600 a month for our family of five. (that includes two 17 year old boys) I think I could live comfortably on $200 a month for one person. Of course that depends on what city you are living in.
Comfortably on $7/day? One fast food meal taps you out for the day. A decent steak puts you over. I'd also love to see the audit for that.
[SIZE=13.63636302948px]You're not paying attention. My Mom fed a family of seven, and saved enough for them to retire comfortably. She taught us all how to plan, cook, and live within our means. [/SIZE][SIZE=13.63636302948px]The only caveat is where you draw the line on what is part of your grocery budget. Is it only food, or does that include dish soap, laundry detergent,, toilet paper?[/SIZE]
Going to guess she gardened as well? We have a stock of veggies/potatoes for the winter from our garden in the summer. Cost is so minimal to plant. Not an option for everyone but it saves us around $1000 on food right now and in retirement I'm guessing that will increase substantially.

 
200k house here and you are looking at 6500 in property taxes.

Threshold for 10000 in property taxes in texas is roughly $350-365k depending on the city and county tax rates.

I also seriously question being able to afford food for a month for $200. I'd like to audit that.
We spend between $500 and $600 a month for our family of five. (that includes two 17 year old boys) I think I could live comfortably on $200 a month for one person. Of course that depends on what city you are living in.
Comfortably on $7/day? One fast food meal taps you out for the day. A decent steak puts you over. I'd also love to see the audit for that.
You're not paying attention. My Mom fed a family of seven, and saved enough for them to retire comfortably. She taught us all how to plan, cook, and live within our means. The only caveat is where you draw the line on what is part of your grocery budget. Is it only food, or does that include dish soap, laundry detergent,, toilet paper?
Going to guess she gardened as well? We have a stock of veggies/potatoes for the winter from our garden in the summer. Cost is so minimal to plant. Not an option for everyone but it saves us around $1000 on food right now and in retirement I'm guessing that will increase substantially.
This depends on where you live. When we were in Kansas we'd plant seeds and almost magically get food. In eastern NC, we plant, take pretty good care of the garden and get a whole lot less, wouldn't be worth the work and cost from a purely economical perspective.

 
200k house here and you are looking at 6500 in property taxes.

Threshold for 10000 in property taxes in texas is roughly $350-365k depending on the city and county tax rates.

I also seriously question being able to afford food for a month for $200. I'd like to audit that.
We spend between $500 and $600 a month for our family of five. (that includes two 17 year old boys) I think I could live comfortably on $200 a month for one person. Of course that depends on what city you are living in.
Comfortably on $7/day? One fast food meal taps you out for the day. A decent steak puts you over. I'd also love to see the audit for that.
Chicken breast @ 1.99 lb @ 10lb= $20

Microwaved veggies at $1 a bag @ 30=$30

Pasta @ 1.99 a box @ 5 boxes=$10

Bread @ 1.99 a loaf @ 3 loaves = $6

Milk @ $4 a gallon @ 3 gallons = $12

Cold Cuts and Cheeses at $7 a lb @ 8 lbs=$56

Cereal @ $5 a box @ 4 boxes =$20

Condiments = $6

Booze =$40

200 a month, substitute steaks for booze if you want.
Where are you living that Pasta's @1.99 a box? I can't NOT buy it every week for a buck a box and various stores have it on sale from time to time for .79 a box....... Cereal the same.....2 for 3 and 2 for 5 Raisin Bran all day long at any number of stores.

 
Going to guess she gardened as well? We have a stock of veggies/potatoes for the winter from our garden in the summer. Cost is so minimal to plant. Not an option for everyone but it saves us around $1000 on food right now and in retirement I'm guessing that will increase substantially.
This depends on where you live. When we were in Kansas we'd plant seeds and almost magically get food. In eastern NC, we plant, take pretty good care of the garden and get a whole lot less, wouldn't be worth the work and cost from a purely economical perspective.
I live in Canada with a 4-5 month growing season and get enough to fill my coffers for the winter and then some :shrug:

 
Going to guess she gardened as well? We have a stock of veggies/potatoes for the winter from our garden in the summer. Cost is so minimal to plant. Not an option for everyone but it saves us around $1000 on food right now and in retirement I'm guessing that will increase substantially.
Yeah, but we didn't have a lot of room in the yard. Mostly tomato plants and green beans while we were growing up. She also made meals using some of the lesser cuts of meat. Her spaghetti sauce included pigs feet and ears. Sounds gross, but adds a ton of flavor.

 
It was basically cookies and coffee for breakfast. Sandwich (pb&J)or leftovers for lunch. Frozen dinner or something a family member dropped off for supper. He did not cook, except for poached eggs. He liked soup, sweets and ice cream. No cold cuts, no milk, no pasta, no cereal no chicken or steak. He did like cheap beer. He always had frozen pizza too but he wouldn't cook it.
I call BS on the whole thing if you are talking Hungry-Man. If he was dabbling in Swanson or store brand, then I guess we'll let this slide.

 
culdeus said:
FatUncleJerryBuss said:
NutterButter said:
FatUncleJerryBuss said:
My dad worked for the post office and had a retirement of 33K a year for life. He has some smaller investments too but not that much. It was more money then he could spend. Think he died with over 20K in the bank. No debt. Owned is own house and car. Liked to go to the casino and golf. He lost more money getting hit up by the grand kids and my siblings than at the casino and he never won at the casino.

I have no haterade for anyone. But for all the travelers when I retire people. I have noticed this from older retirees, especially males. They do not like to travel, and especially fly because it makes something as simple as going to the bathroom difficult. Not having a bathroom close was one of my dad's biggest fears in his later years. He died @ 79.

Having said this I was above the mean in my age group but retirement it is still something that concerns me.
In today's dollars, I find that hard to believe unless he had almost no property taxes and no healthcare expenses. If I stayed in my house, I'd be looking at 10K/ yr in taxes and I'd have to guesstimate 5k/yr in medical beyond what medicare would cover. Throw in phone, cable, electric and heat and you're talking another couple 4k/yr. Add in a few hundred a week for food and random expenses and you're pushing 30k right there.
:rolleyes:

Okay, I am making stuff up.

You need to think like a retiree not like yourself. He was lucky if he spent 200 a month on food for the house. What is a single retiree is going to live in a house that you pay 10K in taxes? He had two bedrooms, a living room, a bathroom and kitchen and a basement. Probably 2K at most. He was vet, so the medical did not come into play that much, once he hit his 5K max on a free UPMC plan that I can remember and he had cancer for the last 5 years or so. He also paid cash for new siding on the house before he died to make sure we got more money for it. :shrug:

200K house and I pay 1,500 in property taxes.

10K in property taxes is moronic for a retiree.
200k house here and you are looking at 6500 in property taxes.

Threshold for 10000 in property taxes in texas is roughly $350-365k depending on the city and county tax rates.

I also seriously question being able to afford food for a month for $200. I'd like to audit that.
Texas property taxes are high because they don't have state income taxes. Though doesn't mean much when your taxable income is way down in retirement.

 
Dentist, this is a little backtracking but agree with DD, you need a little perspective. It is easy as pie for a dentist to talk about other people's crappy retirement and lack of planning, but that makes you seem some mix of elitist, entitled, and complete lack of empathy.

Most people are not educated on the needs to live below their means and don't have good influences / examples to draw from. Most don't have much disposable income. All marketing is designed to get people to spend every dollar they make, and while you might think people need better willpower, marketing is effective.

Basically, you might not be a 1%er but you are likely a 5%er, so to look down on the lower 50% is a little much.

I contribute a bit to these threads with the main intention of helping those that don't have the financial education / influence and open their eyes to other possibilities.
 
Dentist, this is a little backtracking but agree with DD, you need a little perspective. It is easy as pie for a dentist to talk about other people's crappy retirement and lack of planning, but that makes you seem some mix of elitist, entitled, and complete lack of empathy.

Most people are not educated on the needs to live below their means and don't have good influences / examples to draw from. Most don't have much disposable income. All marketing is designed to get people to spend every dollar they make, and while you might think people need better willpower, marketing is effective.

Basically, you might not be a 1%er but you are likely a 5%er, so to look down on the lower 50% is a little much.

I contribute a bit to these threads with the main intention of helping those that don't have the financial education / influence and open their eyes to other possibilities.
Touche. Point received and taken.

 
Cliff Clavin said:
FUBAR said:
Cliff Clavin said:
Going to guess she gardened as well? We have a stock of veggies/potatoes for the winter from our garden in the summer. Cost is so minimal to plant. Not an option for everyone but it saves us around $1000 on food right now and in retirement I'm guessing that will increase substantially.
This depends on where you live. When we were in Kansas we'd plant seeds and almost magically get food. In eastern NC, we plant, take pretty good care of the garden and get a whole lot less, wouldn't be worth the work and cost from a purely economical perspective.
I live in Canada with a 4-5 month growing season and get enough to fill my coffers for the winter and then some :shrug:
Yeah, it's more about the soil than the heat. Ours is sand.
 
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The level of spending you have now and will have in retirement is a bigger driver than what funds or tax vehicle your savings are in. Certainly a worthy topic of discussion.

 
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The level of spending you have now and will have in retirement is a bigger driver than what funds or tax vehicle your savings are in. Certainly a worthy topic of discussion.
Yup. My parents are taking a fire fighter pension, 2 social security checks and a not bigger than a breadbasket savings/investment account as far as it can go. A glorified double wide on a lake in NH in the summer, a 2 bedroom condo 2 mi from the beach in fla in the winter and 45-60 days on a cruise ship per year. Frugal folks other than the cruise fares. They even managed to retire early (54ish).

I envy them.

 
The level of spending you have now and will have in retirement is a bigger driver than what funds or tax vehicle your savings are in. Certainly a worthy topic of discussion.
Even another consideration is the time on your hands. I know I spend most of my discretionary income on the weekends, and especially on vacation. I'm guessing those first couple of years in retirement are tough just for the fact that you have to find things to do that don't cost money. I have a house on a lake in Michigan, but that won't mean I won't to go to the bait shop and buy $100 of the best lures.

 
Gawain said:
Booze =$40

substitute steaks for booze if you want.
Oh, hell no. :no:

Good story is the people who live next to my place in Michigan are 85 and 82 and I talk to them a lot. Every time I go over she has a Gin on the rocks and he has a Busch Light, they gotta be spending $40 a day over there. Awesome.

 
The level of spending you have now and will have in retirement is a bigger driver than what funds or tax vehicle your savings are in. Certainly a worthy topic of discussion.
Yup. My parents are taking a fire fighter pension, 2 social security checks and a not bigger than a breadbasket savings/investment account as far as it can go. A glorified double wide on a lake in NH in the summer, a 2 bedroom condo 2 mi from the beach in fla in the winter and 45-60 days on a cruise ship per year. Frugal folks other than the cruise fares. They even managed to retire early (54ish).

I envy them.
Is the NH a trailer park or property with a trailer on it? If the latter, did they buy the prop with the trailer already on it from someone or buy the land and go through the process of getting it cleared and having the trailer moved in and hooked up? I find the arraignment your folks have very appealing.

 
The level of spending you have now and will have in retirement is a bigger driver than what funds or tax vehicle your savings are in. Certainly a worthy topic of discussion.
Even another consideration is the time on your hands. I know I spend most of my discretionary income on the weekends, and especially on vacation. I'm guessing those first couple of years in retirement are tough just for the fact that you have to find things to do that don't cost money. I have a house on a lake in Michigan, but that won't mean I won't to go to the bait shop and buy $100 of the best lures.
This is true. There can be another side too though. A lot of people spend money on just working. Families buy multiple cars or commute to jobs. They eat out more. Suits aren't generally cheap either. At least where I work, I often get the impression people spend way too much of their income on expenses that are related to their jobs.

 
For those questioning food costs...elderly people eat way less in general. They aren't doing the daily grind, working out, and they don't require 2,000+ calories a day.

To Slapdash's point - you also have to consider that once you retire you are no longer contributing to your retirement. For the mega savers that is a huge percent or dollar amount. Most retirement calculators don't adjust for this.

 
Is it too late to do a back door Roth IRA contribution for 2014?
No, you have until 4/15/15 to make a non deductible traditional contribution for tax year 2014 and convert it to a Roth. There is really no deadline on the conversion, only the initial IRA contribution.

 
For those questioning food costs...elderly people eat way less in general. They aren't doing the daily grind, working out, and they don't require 2,000+ calories a day.

To Slapdash's point - you also have to consider that once you retire you are no longer contributing to your retirement. For the mega savers that is a huge percent or dollar amount. Most retirement calculators don't adjust for this.
Including the FICA/Medicare contribution. And the loss of all the job related expenses Slapdash talked about can be a very large sum of money for some people. Many folks don't realize how much until they stop working.

 
For those questioning food costs...elderly people eat way less in general. They aren't doing the daily grind, working out, and they don't require 2,000+ calories a day.

To Slapdash's point - you also have to consider that once you retire you are no longer contributing to your retirement. For the mega savers that is a huge percent or dollar amount. Most retirement calculators don't adjust for this.
Including the FICA/Medicare contribution. And the loss of all the job related expenses Slapdash talked about can be a very large sum of money for some people. Many folks don't realize how much until they stop working.
Same token, most people don't realize how much time they have to fill when retired. Its fine when the weather is nice, but in the middle of the summer and middle of winter, you're inside all the time and you need something to do. I'm personally wonder what I'd do all day, day after day, in the winter when I'm 70.

 
For those questioning food costs...elderly people eat way less in general. They aren't doing the daily grind, working out, and they don't require 2,000+ calories a day.

To Slapdash's point - you also have to consider that once you retire you are no longer contributing to your retirement. For the mega savers that is a huge percent or dollar amount. Most retirement calculators don't adjust for this.
Including the FICA/Medicare contribution. And the loss of all the job related expenses Slapdash talked about can be a very large sum of money for some people. Many folks don't realize how much until they stop working.
Same token, most people don't realize how much time they have to fill when retired. Its fine when the weather is nice, but in the middle of the summer and middle of winter, you're inside all the time and you need something to do. I'm personally wonder what I'd do all day, day after day, in the winter when I'm 70.
People ask me this all the time.

I retired in August of 2010 and have not been bored a single day since then.

For me personally, retirement is the 100% change from waking up thinking "what do I have to do today", to thinking "what do I want to do today"

At this point in my retirement I am just really enjoying a second childhood.

 
For those questioning food costs...elderly people eat way less in general. They aren't doing the daily grind, working out, and they don't require 2,000+ calories a day.

To Slapdash's point - you also have to consider that once you retire you are no longer contributing to your retirement. For the mega savers that is a huge percent or dollar amount. Most retirement calculators don't adjust for this.
Including the FICA/Medicare contribution. And the loss of all the job related expenses Slapdash talked about can be a very large sum of money for some people. Many folks don't realize how much until they stop working.
Same token, most people don't realize how much time they have to fill when retired. Its fine when the weather is nice, but in the middle of the summer and middle of winter, you're inside all the time and you need something to do. I'm personally wonder what I'd do all day, day after day, in the winter when I'm 70.
People ask me this all the time.

I retired in August of 2010 and have not been bored a single day since then.

For me personally, retirement is the 100% change from waking up thinking "what do I have to do today", to thinking "what do I want to do today"

At this point in my retirement I am just really enjoying a second childhood.
So middle of the winter, what do you do day after day? Say hypothetically, there's 16 waking hours in the day. I know you can say read and watch tv, but that's a lot of reading and watching tv if that fills a large part of your day.

 
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For those questioning food costs...elderly people eat way less in general. They aren't doing the daily grind, working out, and they don't require 2,000+ calories a day.

To Slapdash's point - you also have to consider that once you retire you are no longer contributing to your retirement. For the mega savers that is a huge percent or dollar amount. Most retirement calculators don't adjust for this.
Including the FICA/Medicare contribution. And the loss of all the job related expenses Slapdash talked about can be a very large sum of money for some people. Many folks don't realize how much until they stop working.
Same token, most people don't realize how much time they have to fill when retired. Its fine when the weather is nice, but in the middle of the summer and middle of winter, you're inside all the time and you need something to do. I'm personally wonder what I'd do all day, day after day, in the winter when I'm 70.
By the time I'm 70 I'm gonna assume I'll be watching live stream porn in 3d with some sort of robotic bj machine while on a viagra4.0 drip. What should I budget for that?

 
For those questioning food costs...elderly people eat way less in general. They aren't doing the daily grind, working out, and they don't require 2,000+ calories a day.

To Slapdash's point - you also have to consider that once you retire you are no longer contributing to your retirement. For the mega savers that is a huge percent or dollar amount. Most retirement calculators don't adjust for this.
Including the FICA/Medicare contribution. And the loss of all the job related expenses Slapdash talked about can be a very large sum of money for some people. Many folks don't realize how much until they stop working.
Same token, most people don't realize how much time they have to fill when retired. Its fine when the weather is nice, but in the middle of the summer and middle of winter, you're inside all the time and you need something to do. I'm personally wonder what I'd do all day, day after day, in the winter when I'm 70.
People ask me this all the time.

I retired in August of 2010 and have not been bored a single day since then.

For me personally, retirement is the 100% change from waking up thinking "what do I have to do today", to thinking "what do I want to do today"

At this point in my retirement I am just really enjoying a second childhood.
So middle of the winter, what do you do day after day? Say hypothetically, there's 16 waking hours in the day. I know you can say read and watch tv, but that's a lot of reading and watching tv if that fills a large part of your day.
There is an awful lot of soccer and video games out there.

 
BTW my accountant says that there is no real deadline for ROTH IRA contributions the language is really vague. The only real written deadline is when taxes are filed, so if you file an extension he claims there is absolutely no language in there that says you can't make a contribution right up until you file, or if you file an extension right up to the Oct 15 date either even if you HAVE filed already.

He's never heard of anyone having an issue of making a deposit that late.

I'm neither an attorney, or a tax guy, just someone from the internet.

 
The level of spending you have now and will have in retirement is a bigger driver than what funds or tax vehicle your savings are in. Certainly a worthy topic of discussion.
Yup. My parents are taking a fire fighter pension, 2 social security checks and a not bigger than a breadbasket savings/investment account as far as it can go. A glorified double wide on a lake in NH in the summer, a 2 bedroom condo 2 mi from the beach in fla in the winter and 45-60 days on a cruise ship per year. Frugal folks other than the cruise fares. They even managed to retire early (54ish).I envy them.
Is the NH a trailer park or property with a trailer on it? If the latter, did they buy the prop with the trailer already on it from someone or buy the land and go through the process of getting it cleared and having the trailer moved in and hooked up? I find the arraignment your folks have very appealing.
They bought the property about 25 years ago in a "trailer community". We started with a pop up for 2-3 years and then they purchased a double wide. My dad and I cleared out the property and the trailer company set it up. Now the community has running water, electricity, cable and they had a propane tank set up with a heating stove.

It's a nice layout... Def not the typical "trailer park" you're used to seeing on TV. In fact the neighbors just put in a 11K outdoor kitchen complete with granite.

 
The level of spending you have now and will have in retirement is a bigger driver than what funds or tax vehicle your savings are in. Certainly a worthy topic of discussion.
Yup. My parents are taking a fire fighter pension, 2 social security checks and a not bigger than a breadbasket savings/investment account as far as it can go. A glorified double wide on a lake in NH in the summer, a 2 bedroom condo 2 mi from the beach in fla in the winter and 45-60 days on a cruise ship per year. Frugal folks other than the cruise fares. They even managed to retire early (54ish).I envy them.
Is the NH a trailer park or property with a trailer on it? If the latter, did they buy the prop with the trailer already on it from someone or buy the land and go through the process of getting it cleared and having the trailer moved in and hooked up? I find the arraignment your folks have very appealing.
They bought the property about 25 years ago in a "trailer community". We started with a pop up for 2-3 years and then they purchased a double wide. My dad and I cleared out the property and the trailer company set it up. Now the community has running water, electricity, cable and they had a propane tank set up with a heating stove.

It's a nice layout... Def not the typical "trailer park" you're used to seeing on TV. In fact the neighbors just put in a 11K outdoor kitchen complete with granite.
How much land do they have?

 
For those questioning food costs...elderly people eat way less in general. They aren't doing the daily grind, working out, and they don't require 2,000+ calories a day.

To Slapdash's point - you also have to consider that once you retire you are no longer contributing to your retirement. For the mega savers that is a huge percent or dollar amount. Most retirement calculators don't adjust for this.
Including the FICA/Medicare contribution. And the loss of all the job related expenses Slapdash talked about can be a very large sum of money for some people. Many folks don't realize how much until they stop working.
Same token, most people don't realize how much time they have to fill when retired. Its fine when the weather is nice, but in the middle of the summer and middle of winter, you're inside all the time and you need something to do. I'm personally wonder what I'd do all day, day after day, in the winter when I'm 70.
People ask me this all the time.

I retired in August of 2010 and have not been bored a single day since then.

For me personally, retirement is the 100% change from waking up thinking "what do I have to do today", to thinking "what do I want to do today"

At this point in my retirement I am just really enjoying a second childhood.
So middle of the winter, what do you do day after day? Say hypothetically, there's 16 waking hours in the day. I know you can say read and watch tv, but that's a lot of reading and watching tv if that fills a large part of your day.
But if you love those type of things, it works.

My typical mid winter day is this

tv, reading, playing video games, surfing, picking up daughter from school, shopping and cooking.

 
For those questioning food costs...elderly people eat way less in general. They aren't doing the daily grind, working out, and they don't require 2,000+ calories a day.

To Slapdash's point - you also have to consider that once you retire you are no longer contributing to your retirement. For the mega savers that is a huge percent or dollar amount. Most retirement calculators don't adjust for this.
Including the FICA/Medicare contribution. And the loss of all the job related expenses Slapdash talked about can be a very large sum of money for some people. Many folks don't realize how much until they stop working.
Same token, most people don't realize how much time they have to fill when retired. Its fine when the weather is nice, but in the middle of the summer and middle of winter, you're inside all the time and you need something to do. I'm personally wonder what I'd do all day, day after day, in the winter when I'm 70.
People ask me this all the time.

I retired in August of 2010 and have not been bored a single day since then.

For me personally, retirement is the 100% change from waking up thinking "what do I have to do today", to thinking "what do I want to do today"

At this point in my retirement I am just really enjoying a second childhood.
So middle of the winter, what do you do day after day? Say hypothetically, there's 16 waking hours in the day. I know you can say read and watch tv, but that's a lot of reading and watching tv if that fills a large part of your day.
But if you love those type of things, it works.

My typical mid winter day is this

tv, reading, playing video games, surfing, picking up daughter from school, shopping and cooking.
Yeah it does. I shouldn't have even brought this up as its so subjective. There are probably people that could sit in a chair all day and stare at a wall which wouldn't cost a thing. There's also people that could work until they're 70 b/c in their mind if all they're doing is reading and watching tv all day, they might as well go to work and get paid as there's plenty of time to do that at night and on the weekend.

 
For those questioning food costs...elderly people eat way less in general. They aren't doing the daily grind, working out, and they don't require 2,000+ calories a day.

To Slapdash's point - you also have to consider that once you retire you are no longer contributing to your retirement. For the mega savers that is a huge percent or dollar amount. Most retirement calculators don't adjust for this.
Including the FICA/Medicare contribution. And the loss of all the job related expenses Slapdash talked about can be a very large sum of money for some people. Many folks don't realize how much until they stop working.
Same token, most people don't realize how much time they have to fill when retired. Its fine when the weather is nice, but in the middle of the summer and middle of winter, you're inside all the time and you need something to do. I'm personally wonder what I'd do all day, day after day, in the winter when I'm 70.
People ask me this all the time.

I retired in August of 2010 and have not been bored a single day since then.

For me personally, retirement is the 100% change from waking up thinking "what do I have to do today", to thinking "what do I want to do today"

At this point in my retirement I am just really enjoying a second childhood.
So middle of the winter, what do you do day after day? Say hypothetically, there's 16 waking hours in the day. I know you can say read and watch tv, but that's a lot of reading and watching tv if that fills a large part of your day.
But if you love those type of things, it works.

My typical mid winter day is this

tv, reading, playing video games, surfing, picking up daughter from school, shopping and cooking.
Yeah it does. I shouldn't have even brought this up as its so subjective. There are probably people that could sit in a chair all day and stare at a wall which wouldn't cost a thing. There's also people that could work until they're 70 b/c in their mind if all they're doing is reading and watching tv all day, they might as well go to work and get paid as there's plenty of time to do that at night and on the weekend.
Exactly. Everyone needs to judge their own needs.

Some people would hate this phase of my retirement, others would love it.

 
I think it depends on yourself, and too a greater extent your spouse. One of the reasons my parents don't travel, is because my Dad is happy hanging out around the house. He has a workshop in the basement, and a large shed in the backyard. He takes a couple of fishing/hunting trips each year with the guys, but they are pretty cheap. My Mom would love to travel more, but she can't get my Dad to go anywhere she would consider fun.

 

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