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I'm finding the explanations and justifications for these late round picks somewhat ammusing. Sure, any one of them *COULD* develop into something. Case in point, Wilson. In this format, most of the time, you won't socre a WR unless he scores 10 or more points (barring injuries and bye weeks). Last year, Wilson had more than 10 points 3 times--10.3, 11.7, and a high of 12.7. At this point, the best we are hoping for are players that might help 2-3 weeks over the season. I doubt that the remaining players have major week-to-week value. As I mentioned earlier, we are all just fishing at this point and it's just a matter of which pier we want to fish from.
Glad to keep you amused Yuds. So at WR93 your
response translates to "nice pick this late".
The reason I took Roscoe P over some others were - byes week issues, he should seee an increased roll in the passing game as PPrice sucks and he returns kicks.But at 90+ WR's off the board true value is hard to findGlad to keep you amused Yuds. So at WR93 yourresponse translates to "nice pick this late".
Some people are actually interested in why one person selects one player over the other - hence you'll read about the upside potential and the reasoning behind a selection. Maybe you might learn something or hear about an angle you might not have thought about that'll help you later in the year.
Thanks for contributing.
I'm not arguing that he isn't - but given that they were the only team with 4 WRs over 500 yards, and they plan on featuring more passing (Roeth had 3500 yards last year), I could see as much or more for him as last year.He had the same # of targets (within 2) of Nate Washington, just only 1 TD, which held his numbers down. Still, he was #72 at FBG scoring and 69th in PPR. That's pretty good in Round 18, IMHO.
dont forget the other wr they drafted last year
Do you really need "Steve Smith, he's good"?
I think we are all trying to find the next Colston. While those are far and few inbetween. Discusion of the super sleeper I kind of enjoy.
No. But it might be intersting to hear why TEAM X took a 3rd receiver before a 2nd RB, a QB, or a TE. At this point, the pickings are slim at WR and we all are looking at WR4s for the most part (there may be some WR 3s left I haven't checked).Is Wilson a good pick after 100 WRs have been taken? Yes. Could he do better than where he was drafted? Yes. Will he vault into the Top 25? I doubt it. Will you win the league based on drafting Wilson, I also doubt it. It doesn't mean he is not a good pick, it only means that IMO it is not a difference maker of a pick. Of course he could explode and be a great selection, but IMO most of the guys taken now really have very limited chance to do that barring a miracle.The reason I said that we needed more discussion 10 rounds ago was that that's where I think the league will be won or lost. As you said, the first couple rounds of Steve Smiths and Willie Parkers doesn't cover any new ground. IMO, after 12 rounds the number of impact players falls off dramatically. So IMO from rounds 3-12 is where the league will be won or lost.Maybe we will get some more feedback from people after the draft is over.As for Smith, he might be someone worth debating given the RB and QB situation and how that might impact his numbers.
Well, I think I went through some of this when Radballs asked about my strategy, but I agree hearing some other thoughts on general strategies would be interesting.
I was going to do this, but things kept changing.Kind of like is WSL when Manning fell to me and I shifted gears - tough to predict / dictate how your team will stack up in the middle slots.
When I finished 4th of 12 in the staff v. messageboard last year I drafted Jones-Drew very late and he saved my season after I lost Portis in week 1. Additionally, Reche Caldwell saved my WR depth.I didn't win because my strategy of drafting value WRs didn't work, but I finished 4th because my depth was above average.In short I think rounds 10-20 are very important...I believe my understanding of the importance of depth is what has allowed me to be more successful than most.David Yudkin said:
I was going to take a 3rd with my next pick as well. 
still one left with yudkin and frank only having 1that correct?3 D 's who is going to be???
I really use these to establish early ADP and to get in serious mocks before WCOFF Sat's and my other local leagues. My strategy was to go rb/wr and then grab a guy like jacobs/caddy in round3, then add wr depth and two qbs in round 4-9. Palmer totally fell into my lap which made me shift gears. Berrian-Kennison-Key & Lelie are not sexy picks after LarryFitz, but between those 4 getting 2 nice scores week in week out wont be an issue.You are correct Fred inthat you dont need stud WR"s to win this thing, but you need good depth through WR5 to compete for the title IMO.
These really shouldn't be used for early look ADP in my opinion. Survivor, Best Ball formats really switch things up in regards to when and where positions and players get drafted, especially with the bye weeks. I find re-draft mocks completely different, except for the early positional rankings.I really use these to establish early ADP and to get in serious mocks before WCOFF Sat's and my other local leagues. My strategy was to go rb/wr and then grab a guy like jacobs/caddy in round3, then add wr depth and two qbs in round 4-9. Palmer totally fell into my lap which made me shift gears. Berrian-Kennison-Key & Lelie are not sexy picks after LarryFitz, but between those 4 getting 2 nice scores week in week out wont be an issue.You are correct Fred inthat you dont need stud WR"s to win this thing, but you need good depth through WR5 to compete for the title IMO.
Yeah maybe ADP isnt the best word because Survivor is so different from traditional h2h leagues. Maybe the word Im looking for is FFL addicts general thoughts on players valuesThese really shouldn't be used for early look ADP in my opinion. Survivor, Best Ball formats really switch things up in regards to when and where positions and players get drafted, especially with the bye weeks. I find re-draft mocks completely different, except for the early positional rankings.
I specifically chose not to do this because I knew that almost everyone would have two backs before my third pick, leaving me with RB30 as my #2. No thanks. I'd much rather have two good backs, a third decent one, and maybe a fourth flier late in the draft. Which leaves me with where can I spend my other 17 roster spots? I could take three kickers or defenses, but I didn't feel strongly about either of those strategies. I wanted two good ones of each, but that's it. Three QBs? I'd rather take two good ones. There's always a wicked QB run in these things, so three would be tough. Three TEs? Maybe. But with three backs, two QBs, two each at TE, K and D, that leaves me nine spots for WRs and whatever else I want. So my strategy was to take two good WRs, and six or seven scrubby ones, hoping to piece together a WR3BC and make up for the gaps in my admittedly weak WR1 and WR2. For my WR1, I took a guy who gets a lot of receptions, and for my WR2, I took a guy who should be decent and has good upside. The rest of the guys are a couple of guys like Engram, who should get 5-10 points a game pretty often but not much more, forgotten guys like Parker and Northcutt, who have WR2 upside, and a shot like Gaffney, who could be a real contributor, might give a couple of big weeks and suck the rest of the time, or might not even make the team. Forget the player names for a minute; I was just looking for a portfolio of guys that included the types of players I thought I was drafting for my WR3BC. Right now, I think I have the strongest defensive scoring in the league, the strongest RB2 scoring, but one of the weakest WR corps'. I'm reasonably strong at QB with Hass and Rivers, reasonably strong at TE with LJ Smith and Marcus Pollard, and reasonably strong at kicker with one top guy and one guy I know has a job. I'm also thin at RB3 and don't even have a RB4, I'm very weak at WR and could be devastated by an injury to the already fragile Coles, and my #1 back is a Denver running back.Fiddles said:
No not exactly, but you can easily spot player value trends which is rather useful and interesting information...you can really see how "buzz" alters a players perceived worth.If you can understand that you can take advantage of it.
I agree with this and shared the same stategy, I saw from prior drafts that I could match RB2 output by drafting value, while at the same time strengthening my TE and WR positions at the top.
That strategy can work if you draft the right guys, I think this is where you may have misfired as I'm not a particular fan of your WR group.
I think you could have waited on QB for the purpose of bolstering your WR and RB groups. I really, really like what you did at TE.
This is why I don't think you have much of a chance. You can be weak at RB2, but you can't be weak at RB2 and WR.
Reggie Williams went in the 19th round last year in PDSL I and helped EBF to the finals. Getting the late round sleeper tends to have a magnified effect on a team if you manage to find one. And, since we go MUCH deeper than the average redraft league, it make me look closer at the the guys in this end of the talent pool that I might not normally consider without them on the radar from here.That being said, I think I'll go another rook and tie up the USC connection...bicycle_seat_sniffer said:
I enjoy all the discussion during the draft about individual picks and strategy, but I usually provide more input in the particulars of my draft following the conclusion. I hope that all of y'all will pitch in with the post draft analysis. Those discussions to me are just as vital a source of information as the draft itself.
:( Looking forward to detailed post-draft dissection of each team.
You think McGahee is a weak RB2? I don't. I think Deshaun is a weak RB3, considering he's my only RB3 right now, but I'm very happy with Henry and McGahee.
you should be thats a great pairing imo (i took them both in the white elephant draft
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I'm sorry, I was looking at another team.
I'll reserve my team grades until after the draft for those that request them.
He must be looking at my squad I might be weak at rb2 but my wr's are hardly weak IMO
JP saw that Frank picked closet man, that was why he was not sure what happened!
to M.P.F.B. having to go the distance with only the Giants D.
Hey a guaranteed zero on Week 9! Another one!18.15 Texans DefenseI played this one masterfully.
JP saw that Frank picked closet man, that was why he was not sure what happened!frank picked davenport. we are waiting for bass/PAE
Often, I only draft 1 Def, although it would normally be a much better Def than the Giants. At a certain point I realized that I would likley be stuck with only 1 Def or 1 kicker. All of this was caused by the NFL schedule coming out and revealing huge bye weaknesses in weeks 6 and 8 at RB and WR. The bye problem caused me to have to draft more RBs and WRs earlier than planned instead of improving the Def situation. IMO, once you get outside the top Defs, they aren't worth that much. Having 2 or more is nice, but outside the top Defs, all our your defenses can easily flop on the same week. I would rather have 2 kickers than 2 Defs.18.15 Texans DefenseI played this one masterfully.
Nice pick this late...should be good for at least 40 receptions if he can stay on the field.
frank picked davenport. we are waiting for bass/PAE
