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[wannabee]

PMing next

 

[Hear-the-Footsteps]

12.04: WR- Terrance Copper

Fingers crossed that he becomes integral to Brees' offense.

With Horn gone, his targets should go up at the very least.

Will PM next guy.

 

[Family Matters]

12.04: WR- Terrance Copper

Fingers crossed that he becomes integral to Brees' offense.

With Horn gone, his targets should go up at the very least.

Will PM next guy.

I like this pick.

 

[Getinthemix]

12.5 Dallas Cowboys D

 

[Family Matters]

See wannabe for my next pick.

Late

 

[Hear-the-Footsteps]

12.04: WR- Terrance Copper

Fingers crossed that he becomes integral to Brees' offense.

With Horn gone, his targets should go up at the very least.

Will PM next guy.

I like this pick.

Thanks.What I liked is usually I go with a consistent WR - especially if it is earlier on.

But in the later parts of the draft and for a WR6, I actually like the high vs low guys.

What I mean by this...

Let's say Copper improves on last year's #s (Horn is gone, so he should; plus a year under his belt getting used to Brees). He could put up 35/40 - 500/600 - 4/5

Now those aren't spectacular #s by any means.

But Copper is more likely to put up those #s through sporadic games of highs and lows.

Meaning, he could easily put up a 1-17-0 one game, followed by a 6-90-1 another game.

[Consider that he did have games last year of: 12 targets, 6 receptions, 92 yards, 1 td; 7 targets, 6 receptions, 87 yards, 1 td; and others where he was a complete non-factor.]

Meanwhile, the guy that puts up those #s by putting up close to the average of it each week: 2/3 - 35 - .25 --will probably never count as one of a team's 3 WRs in the survivor format. So in the end, the consistent guy putting up those #s is actually not as valuable as the inconsistent guy that puts them up.

This is ironic (at least I find it ironic) because it is opposite of what one would generally want in their earlier drafted WRs.

Hope that made sense.

Nonetheless, thanks.

 

[Family Matters]

12.04: WR- Terrance Copper

Fingers crossed that he becomes integral to Brees' offense.

With Horn gone, his targets should go up at the very least.

Will PM next guy.

I like this pick.

Thanks.What I liked is usually I go with a consistent WR - especially if it is earlier on.

But in the later parts of the draft and for a WR6, I actually like the high vs low guys.

What I mean by this...

Let's say Copper improves on last year's #s (Horn is gone, so he should; plus a year under his belt getting used to Brees). He could put up 35/40 - 500/600 - 4/5

Now those aren't spectacular #s by any means.

But Copper is more likely to put up those #s through sporadic games of highs and lows.

Meaning, he could easily put up a 1-17-0 one game, followed by a 6-90-1 another game.

[Consider that he did have games last year of: 12 targets, 6 receptions, 92 yards, 1 td; 7 targets, 6 receptions, 87 yards, 1 td; and others where he was a complete non-factor.]

Meanwhile, the guy that puts up those #s by putting up close to the average of it each week: 2/3 - 35 - .25 --will probably never count as one of a team's 3 WRs in the survivor format. So in the end, the consistent guy putting up those #s is actually not as valuable as the inconsistent guy that puts them up.

This is ironic (at least I find it ironic) because it is opposite of what one would generally want in their earlier drafted WRs.

Hope that made sense.

Nonetheless, thanks.

It makes sense and I agree with your strategy. I had him on my short list.

 

[Blue-Kun]

I hate doing this but the bye weeks ####ed me.

11.15 QB Tarvaris Jackson

Why do you hate freedom so much?

Stupid bye weeks.

 

[Shadowfax]

12.04: WR- Terrance Copper

Fingers crossed that he becomes integral to Brees' offense.

With Horn gone, his targets should go up at the very least.

Will PM next guy.

I like this pick.

Thanks.What I liked is usually I go with a consistent WR - especially if it is earlier on.

But in the later parts of the draft and for a WR6, I actually like the high vs low guys.

What I mean by this...

Let's say Copper improves on last year's #s (Horn is gone, so he should; plus a year under his belt getting used to Brees). He could put up 35/40 - 500/600 - 4/5

Now those aren't spectacular #s by any means.

But Copper is more likely to put up those #s through sporadic games of highs and lows.

Meaning, he could easily put up a 1-17-0 one game, followed by a 6-90-1 another game.

[Consider that he did have games last year of: 12 targets, 6 receptions, 92 yards, 1 td; 7 targets, 6 receptions, 87 yards, 1 td; and others where he was a complete non-factor.]

Meanwhile, the guy that puts up those #s by putting up close to the average of it each week: 2/3 - 35 - .25 --will probably never count as one of a team's 3 WRs in the survivor format. So in the end, the consistent guy putting up those #s is actually not as valuable as the inconsistent guy that puts them up.

This is ironic (at least I find it ironic) because it is opposite of what one would generally want in their earlier drafted WRs.

Hope that made sense.

Nonetheless, thanks.

It was between Copper and Joe J for me. I think Copper had those big games when Horn was hurt and was pretty much a non-factor as WR3/4 in that offense. His numbers may improve slightly but I think it will be the same this year and will only be valuable upon injury. He may be used when he hits that one game or two when he posts 2-50-1 but it would be death for me for all the other games. Unfortunately, I needed someone who will get me those consistent 4-40 games. But I'm optimistic...Joe J seemed to come on down the stretch against some pretty good defenses but the big question is who will be throwing to him. Joe does offer some potential if tha soldja is out for any time....although Joe hasn't been the poster boy for health either.

 

[Shadowfax]

I hate doing this but the bye weeks ####ed me.

11.15 QB Tarvaris Jackson

Why do you hate freedom so much?

Stupid bye weeks.

I'm a lot slow. 'Splain this to me. TIA

 

[Blue-Kun]

I hate doing this but the bye weeks ####ed me.

11.15 QB Tarvaris Jackson

Why do you hate freedom so much?

Stupid bye weeks.

I'm a lot slow. 'Splain this to me. TIA

Sure. You took one of the few QB's who may actually start and doesn't share a bye with my other 2 guys. The actual joke is a reference to a variant of people who answer any criticism of the U.S. by saying, 'Why do you hate America?' or it's extension of why do you hate freedom. Since then, it's become a bit more popularized on the intarweb by becoming a joke phrase when somebody posts something they disagree with / dislike / poking fun at.

That 'splain it?

 

[Shadowfax]

I hate doing this but the bye weeks ####ed me.

11.15 QB Tarvaris Jackson

Why do you hate freedom so much?

Stupid bye weeks.

I'm a lot slow. 'Splain this to me. TIA

Sure. You took one of the few QB's who may actually start and doesn't share a bye with my other 2 guys. :( The actual joke is a reference to a variant of people who answer any criticism of the U.S. by saying, 'Why do you hate America?' or it's extension of why do you hate freedom. Since then, it's become a bit more popularized on the intarweb by becoming a joke phrase when somebody posts something they disagree with / dislike / poking fun at.

That 'splain it?

Ahhhh...I know the joke's reference....just didn't realize your war mongering, jingoistic draft had QB issues also.

 

[valence]

wanted Copper or Toomer.

12.06 Drew Carter

 

[Hear-the-Footsteps]

12.04: WR- Terrance Copper

Fingers crossed that he becomes integral to Brees' offense.

With Horn gone, his targets should go up at the very least.

Will PM next guy.

I like this pick.

Thanks.What I liked is usually I go with a consistent WR - especially if it is earlier on.

But in the later parts of the draft and for a WR6, I actually like the high vs low guys.

What I mean by this...

Let's say Copper improves on last year's #s (Horn is gone, so he should; plus a year under his belt getting used to Brees). He could put up 35/40 - 500/600 - 4/5

Now those aren't spectacular #s by any means.

But Copper is more likely to put up those #s through sporadic games of highs and lows.

Meaning, he could easily put up a 1-17-0 one game, followed by a 6-90-1 another game.

[Consider that he did have games last year of: 12 targets, 6 receptions, 92 yards, 1 td; 7 targets, 6 receptions, 87 yards, 1 td; and others where he was a complete non-factor.]

Meanwhile, the guy that puts up those #s by putting up close to the average of it each week: 2/3 - 35 - .25 --will probably never count as one of a team's 3 WRs in the survivor format. So in the end, the consistent guy putting up those #s is actually not as valuable as the inconsistent guy that puts them up.

This is ironic (at least I find it ironic) because it is opposite of what one would generally want in their earlier drafted WRs.

Hope that made sense.

Nonetheless, thanks.

It was between Copper and Joe J for me. I think Copper had those big games when Horn was hurt and was pretty much a non-factor as WR3/4 in that offense. His numbers may improve slightly but I think it will be the same this year and will only be valuable upon injury. He may be used when he hits that one game or two when he posts 2-50-1 but it would be death for me for all the other games. Unfortunately, I needed someone who will get me those consistent 4-40 games. But I'm optimistic...Joe J seemed to come on down the stretch against some pretty good defenses but the big question is who will be throwing to him. Joe does offer some potential if tha soldja is out for any time....although Joe hasn't been the poster boy for health either.

Two things...1) You do realize that Horn is no longer in New Orleans, right? So that is like him being hurt in that it has the same effect - which is he is not there to take away any targets from the others.

2) You do realize that even with Horn, Colston, and Henderson there - Copper had a couple games significantly better than 2-50-1. So I don't know where that came from. My point is that if he had the occassional 90 yard game with a td last year, I would hope he has a few more of them this year. That's all.

 

[Family Matters]

With the 12.7 pick, FM selects:

B. Engram-WR, SEA

PM'drestless.

 

[restless natives]

12.08 Robert Meachem, ROOKIE, WR

Just call my squad a bunch of rookies

pming ren

 

[Bri]

12.04: WR- Terrance Copper

Fingers crossed that he becomes integral to Brees' offense.

With Horn gone, his targets should go up at the very least.

Will PM next guy.

You're lucky he's still a Saint.The Fins were going to sign Copper(RFA) and the Saints were to use that pick and another real late one to land Patrick Crayton(RFA too). In the end Crayton would just cost the Saints a real late pick.

I have no idea what went wrong and once he re-signed I expected a trade to Fins to follow. It's been a couple weeks since Copper signed and about a week ago Crayton re-signed with the Boys. Something fell apart.

I wouldn't be surprised if some part of the scenario above(Copper to Fins, Crayton to Saints) is done around draft day.

 

[renesauz]

Greg Olsen, TE, ROOK

First rookie I've taken in any draft this year. Guy came into the combine as the top TE, and has been very impressive, especially on gauntlet type drills.

PM-ing next

 

[Family Matters]

Greg Olsen, TE, ROOKFirst rookie I've taken in any draft this year. Guy came into the combine as the top TE, and has been very impressive, especially on gauntlet type drills.PM-ing next

This a good and a decent value here. If I had no drafted Clark in the 10th then he would've been my other target and likely in this round.

 

[renesauz]

Greg Olsen, TE, ROOKFirst rookie I've taken in any draft this year. Guy came into the combine as the top TE, and has been very impressive, especially on gauntlet type drills.PM-ing next

This a good and a decent value here. If I had no drafted Clark in the 10th then he would've been my other target and likely in this round.

I had hoped to pick him up around the 15th since the beginning of the draft as a deep sleeper, but I've been cut short of every other target TE up until now. I'm very happy with the rest of my team, so I figured this wasn't too early to stretch for him.

 

[Duckboy]

Greg Olsen, TE, ROOKFirst rookie I've taken in any draft this year. Guy came into the combine as the top TE, and has been very impressive, especially on gauntlet type drills.PM-ing next

This a good and a decent value here. If I had no drafted Clark in the 10th then he would've been my other target and likely in this round.

I had hoped to pick him up around the 15th since the beginning of the draft as a deep sleeper, but I've been cut short of every other target TE up until now. I'm very happy with the rest of my team, so I figured this wasn't too early to stretch for him.

Good you picked him up here then, as he wouldn't have made it back to you. Would have grabbed him either here or more likely in the 13th.

 

[Bri]

I PMd OM my next 2, have a nice day guys

 

[renesauz]

Greg Olsen, TE, ROOKFirst rookie I've taken in any draft this year. Guy came into the combine as the top TE, and has been very impressive, especially on gauntlet type drills.PM-ing next

This a good and a decent value here. If I had no drafted Clark in the 10th then he would've been my other target and likely in this round.

I had hoped to pick him up around the 15th since the beginning of the draft as a deep sleeper, but I've been cut short of every other target TE up until now. I'm very happy with the rest of my team, so I figured this wasn't too early to stretch for him.

Good you picked him up here then, as he wouldn't have made it back to you. Would have grabbed him either here or more likely in the 13th.

I figured he wouldn't. TE's have gone generally early in this draft compared to the WSL's and WE.

 

[Shadowfax]

12.04: WR- Terrance Copper

Fingers crossed that he becomes integral to Brees' offense.

With Horn gone, his targets should go up at the very least.

Will PM next guy.

I like this pick.

Thanks.What I liked is usually I go with a consistent WR - especially if it is earlier on.

But in the later parts of the draft and for a WR6, I actually like the high vs low guys.

What I mean by this...

Let's say Copper improves on last year's #s (Horn is gone, so he should; plus a year under his belt getting used to Brees). He could put up 35/40 - 500/600 - 4/5

Now those aren't spectacular #s by any means.

But Copper is more likely to put up those #s through sporadic games of highs and lows.

Meaning, he could easily put up a 1-17-0 one game, followed by a 6-90-1 another game.

[Consider that he did have games last year of: 12 targets, 6 receptions, 92 yards, 1 td; 7 targets, 6 receptions, 87 yards, 1 td; and others where he was a complete non-factor.]

Meanwhile, the guy that puts up those #s by putting up close to the average of it each week: 2/3 - 35 - .25 --will probably never count as one of a team's 3 WRs in the survivor format. So in the end, the consistent guy putting up those #s is actually not as valuable as the inconsistent guy that puts them up.

This is ironic (at least I find it ironic) because it is opposite of what one would generally want in their earlier drafted WRs.

Hope that made sense.

Nonetheless, thanks.

It was between Copper and Joe J for me. I think Copper had those big games when Horn was hurt and was pretty much a non-factor as WR3/4 in that offense. His numbers may improve slightly but I think it will be the same this year and will only be valuable upon injury. He may be used when he hits that one game or two when he posts 2-50-1 but it would be death for me for all the other games. Unfortunately, I needed someone who will get me those consistent 4-40 games. But I'm optimistic...Joe J seemed to come on down the stretch against some pretty good defenses but the big question is who will be throwing to him. Joe does offer some potential if tha soldja is out for any time....although Joe hasn't been the poster boy for health either.

Two things...1) You do realize that Horn is no longer in New Orleans, right? So that is like him being hurt in that it has the same effect - which is he is not there to take away any targets from the others.

2) You do realize that even with Horn, Colston, and Henderson there - Copper had a couple games significantly better than 2-50-1. So I don't know where that came from. My point is that if he had the occassional 90 yard game with a td last year, I would hope he has a few more of them this year. That's all.

Yes, I do realize Horn is gone but it's my understanding Copper is now behind Henderson instead of Horn. My point was he wasn't that valuable unless he was starting.I think you need to look at his stats again. He had 2 games over 50yds and only 3 games w/ a TD...and IIRC, his 2 good games of 6-90-1 was when Horn was hurt. Otherwise, he never had more than 3 catches or 50 yds.

Sure, he has the potential to put up some nice numbers in that offense...but I think that will only occur if there is an injury. I just don't have faith to think he's going to have multiple 90yd games (his highs as you call it) as WR3/4...not when there are so many other targets around him.

There seems to be a lot of love for Copper as a sleeper pick this year...I'm just not as high on him.

 

[pigskin pimp]

12.10 TE Ben Troupe TEN

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

12.11 Adrian Peterson, RB, CHI

edit to add: Im surprised an accomplished backup who has looked just as good as the presumed starter so far lasted so long. Not to mention that its one of the better RB situations in the league, Benson has shown a tendency to get nicked up in the pros, Benson might not be trustworthy enough to be in there on 3rd down, and Chicago showed a willingness to liberally use two backs last year.

I expect Peterson's value to slowly rise as he becomes a very fashionable sleeper for 2007.

 

[Duckboy]

12.12 TE Marcedes Lewis

pming BK

 

[Duckboy]

12.11 Adrian Peterson, RB, CHIedit to add: Im surprised an accomplished backup who has looked just as good as the presumed starter so far lasted so long. Not to mention that its one of the better RB situations in the league, Benson has shown a tendency to get nicked up in the pros, Benson might not be trustworthy enough to be in there on 3rd down, and Chicago showed a willingness to liberally use two backs last year.I expect Peterson's value to slowly rise as he becomes a very fashionable sleeper for 2007.

Agreed, and he was my pick if you hadn't taken him. Could be great value this late.

 

[Blue-Kun]

12.13 Kevin Faulk

 

[restless natives]

old mil has bri's pick

 

[OldMilwaukee]

per pm Bri:

12.14 Brian Leonard, RB ??

Mine:

12.15 Patrick Crayton WR, Dal

Pm'g Wraith

 

[wraith5]

12.11 Adrian Peterson, RB, CHIedit to add: Im surprised an accomplished backup who has looked just as good as the presumed starter so far lasted so long. Not to mention that its one of the better RB situations in the league, Benson has shown a tendency to get nicked up in the pros, Benson might not be trustworthy enough to be in there on 3rd down, and Chicago showed a willingness to liberally use two backs last year.I expect Peterson's value to slowly rise as he becomes a very fashionable sleeper for 2007.

Agreed, and he was my pick if you hadn't taken him. Could be great value this late.

Absolutely agreed. Peterson is a talented back and he no longer has Thomas Jones in front of him. I'll be surprised if Benson doesn't miss a game or two (or three or...) this season and fully expect Peterson to get field time, regardless. Surprisingly, you took him only about 1/2 round later than PDSL1 or 3, and he went undrafted in 2/3 of the WSLs. I wouldn't have taken an RB5 at this point, but it would have pained me to pass him up.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

12.11 Adrian Peterson, RB, CHIedit to add: Im surprised an accomplished backup who has looked just as good as the presumed starter so far lasted so long. Not to mention that its one of the better RB situations in the league, Benson has shown a tendency to get nicked up in the pros, Benson might not be trustworthy enough to be in there on 3rd down, and Chicago showed a willingness to liberally use two backs last year.I expect Peterson's value to slowly rise as he becomes a very fashionable sleeper for 2007.

Agreed, and he was my pick if you hadn't taken him. Could be great value this late.

Absolutely agreed. Peterson is a talented back and he no longer has Thomas Jones in front of him. I'll be surprised if Benson doesn't miss a game or two (or three or...) this season and fully expect Peterson to get field time, regardless. Surprisingly, you took him only about 1/2 round later than PDSL1 or 3, and he went undrafted in 2/3 of the WSLs. I wouldn't have taken an RB5 at this point, but it would have pained me to pass him up.

just to go one step further, Benson got enough touches to rank as the RB38, and that's with Thomas Jones getting just about 300 carries. It's only reasonable to project that Peterson will get Benson's touches + maybe a little more because he'll be in there on 3rd down. This split will end up closer to 50/50 than 90/10

 

[wraith5]

12.16 Bryant Johnson, WR, Arizona Cardinals

I'm very pleasantly surprised Bryant was still here waiting for me... I actually thought about him 30 picks ago... he's an injury away from being #2 on a team that likes to throw the ball an awful lot...

 

[Shadowfax]

12.11 Adrian Peterson, RB, CHIedit to add: Im surprised an accomplished backup who has looked just as good as the presumed starter so far lasted so long. Not to mention that its one of the better RB situations in the league, Benson has shown a tendency to get nicked up in the pros, Benson might not be trustworthy enough to be in there on 3rd down, and Chicago showed a willingness to liberally use two backs last year.I expect Peterson's value to slowly rise as he becomes a very fashionable sleeper for 2007.

Those are very good points. I think he's really flying under the radar. Granted, Jones was still with Chi during the WSLs, but with all the trade talk, I'm still surprised I was the only one who grabbed him in the WSLs. Even you didn't draft him. But you were too busy grabbing rookie RBs.I agree, we should see his value rise over the year. Hell, if this is any indication, he's already rising a lot...as I got him in round 20 in WSL2.

 

[Shadowfax]

12.16 Bryant Johnson, WR, Arizona Cardinals

I'm very pleasantly surprised Bryant was still here waiting for me... I actually thought about him 30 picks ago... he's an injury away from being #2 on a team that likes to throw the ball an awful lot...

This was the other WR I considered last round. Everyone is stating this is a team that likes to throw a lot. Is Whisenhunt's style like this also?

 

[renesauz]

12.16 Bryant Johnson, WR, Arizona Cardinals

I'm very pleasantly surprised Bryant was still here waiting for me... I actually thought about him 30 picks ago... he's an injury away from being #2 on a team that likes to throw the ball an awful lot...

This was the other WR I considered last round. Everyone is stating this is a team that likes to throw a lot. Is Whisenhunt's style like this also?

I don't know about Whisehunt, but that line can't run-block to save it's collective life, but does a passable job in pass protection....The line itself lends itself to a passing offense.