People coming here from ebola stricken nations? (1 Viewer)

[Cjw_55106]

So it seems by simply touching body fluids...(a sneeze perhaps?) could be all it takes?

before you know it we will have it

Im not saying that, I'm seriously asking, what did they do with the fluids that would allow them to get the virus? How much or little did it take?

As I suspected, it seems no one knows the answer to this.

While I dont think the sky is falling as some believe, I also dont think its nothing to worry about or "extremely difficult" to contract.

 

[jon_mx]

OMG The sky is falling!!

Don't almost 500,000 people die from the flu globally every year? Yet you dopes are choosing to freak out over this??

You could have made the same arguments against worrying about AIDS when it first broke out. This is an extremely deadly virus that unless very pro-active steps are taken can kill a lot more Americans than any flu virus possibly could. The flu virus kills about 0.005% of those infected vs. Ebola which kills more than 50%. Very silly to compare the two.

 

[Gary Coal Man]

AFRICA STEMS EBOLA VIA BORDER CLOSINGS, LUCK

October, 17, 2014; AP

NAIROBI, Kenya (AP) -- Health officials battling the Ebola outbreak that has killed more than 4,500 people in West Africa have managed to limit its spread on the continent to five countries - and two of them appear to have snuffed out the disease. The developments constitute a modest success in an otherwise bleak situation.

Officials credit tighter border controls, good patient-tracking and other medical practices, and just plain luck with keeping Ebola confined mostly to Liberia, Sierra Leone and Guinea since the outbreak was first identified nearly seven months ago.

Senegal did so well in finding and isolating a man with Ebola who had slipped across the border from Guinea in August that the World Health Organization on Friday will declare the end of the disease in Senegal if no new cases surface.

Nigeria is another success story. It had 20 cases and eight deaths after the virus was brought by a Liberian-American who flew from Liberia to Lagos, Nigeria's commercial capital of 21 million people, in July. Nearly 900 people were potentially exposed to the virus by the traveler, who died, and the disease could have wreaked havoc in Africa's most populous nation. Instead, Ebola appears to have been beaten, in large part through aggressive tracking of Ebola contacts, with no new cases since Aug. 31. WHO, the U.N. health agency, called it "a piece of world-class epidemiological detective work." The organization is set to declare an end to the outbreak in Nigeria on Monday. Nigeria had a head start compared with other West African countries: Officials were able to use an emergency command center that had been built by the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation to combat polio.

Border closings may also be helping halt the spread of Ebola.

Ivory Coast, Guinea-Bissau and Senegal, all of which share borders with at least one of the three most affected countries, have closed those borders.

The disease continues to ravage Liberia, Guinea and Sierra Leone, overwhelming their health systems. And some observers warn that border closings can have limited effect in a region with highly porous boundaries and few resources to patrol them. Border posts are sometimes easily skirted.

There is also concern that travel restrictions will make things worse in the affected countries by creating what amounts to an economic embargo. "We have been isolated," said Kaifala Marah, Sierra Leone's finance and economic development minister. "It really is killing our economies."

Authorities in some African countries imposed tight air travel restrictions, tougher than those contemplated by the U.S. or British governments. South Africa and Zambia slapped travel and entry restrictions on Ebola-stricken countries. Kenya Airways, the country's main airline, stopped flying to the affected lands. In Zimbabwe, all travelers from West Africa are put under 21-day surveillance. Health officials regularly visit those travelers to check their condition.

Nigeria initially banned flights from countries with Ebola but relaxed the restriction once it felt that airlines were competent to take travelers' temperatures and follow other measures to prevent people with Ebola from flying.

Nigeria has teams taking the temperature of travelers at airports and seaports.

In Ethiopia, the main international airport in Addis Ababa screens all arriving passengers - including those from Europe and the U.S. - for fever using body scans.

South Africa has tested 14 people for Ebola, all of whom proved negative. "To tell you the truth, we were testing them just to settle your nerves," Aaron Motsoaledi, South Africa's health minister, told reporters. "Clinically speaking, most of them did not fit criteria for testing."

Another factor is luck. All it takes is one infected person to slip around guards at a border post or get aboard a plane. "God has been merciful we haven't reported a case in Kenya, but we really need to up our disaster preparedness," said Dr. Nelly Bosire, an official with Kenya's main medical union. "The fact we stopped doing the West African flights had an impact. On that part I think we got it right. But it still has more to do with luck."

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Associated Press reporters Elias Meseret in Addis Ababa, Ethiopia, Michelle Faul in Johannesburg and Farai Mutsaka in Harare, Zimbabwe, contributed to this report. Chutel reported from Johannesburg.

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[George Jefferson Airplane]

That article was better the three times it was posted on page two

 

[timschochet]

That article was better the three times it was posted on page two

Not really. It was just as irrelevant then as well.

 

[Gary Coal Man]

That article was better the three times it was posted on page two

Oops.

 

[Gary Coal Man]

That article was better the three times it was posted on page two

Not really. It was just as irrelevant then as well.

True. Calling people ugly is more relevant.

 

[timschochet]

That article was better the three times it was posted on page two

Not really. It was just as irrelevant then as well.

True. Calling people ugly is more relevant.

i didn't call anyone ugly. I wrote that some opinions were ugly. Such as banning all commercial travel from countries in which less than 1% of the population is stricken with a disease which is difficult to catch.

 

[TheIronSheik]

That article was better the three times it was posted on page two

Not really. It was just as irrelevant then as well.

True. Calling people ugly is more relevant.

i didn't call anyone ugly. I wrote that some opinions were ugly. Such as banning all commercial travel from countries in which less than 1% of the population is stricken with a disease which is difficult to catch.

Reminds me of Hawaii.

 

[fantasycurse42]

i didn't call anyone ugly. I wrote that some opinions were ugly. Such as banning all commercial travel from countries in which less than 1% of the population is stricken with a disease which is difficult to catch.

Agree, very difficult to catch... So hard that for every new case, there are two additional cases. The 100's of caregivers who have died, and even two who are now sick here, it's unimpossible.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

i didn't call anyone ugly. I wrote that some opinions were ugly. Such as banning all commercial travel from countries in which less than 1% of the population is stricken with a disease which is difficult to catch.

Agree, very difficult to catch... So hard that for every new case, there are two additional cases. The 100's of caregivers who have died, and even two who are now sick here, it's unimpossible.

Can someone provide an English translation for the above? TIA.

 

[fantasycurse42]

i didn't call anyone ugly. I wrote that some opinions were ugly. Such as banning all commercial travel from countries in which less than 1% of the population is stricken with a disease which is difficult to catch.

Agree, very difficult to catch... So hard that for every new case, there are two additional cases. The 100's of caregivers who have died, and even two who are now sick here, it's unimpossible.

Can someone provide an English translation for the above? TIA.

Still on the rag? That is one rough cycle gooseberry-pudding.

 

[Gary Coal Man]

That article was better the three times it was posted on page two

Not really. It was just as irrelevant then as well.

True. Calling people ugly is more relevant.

i didn't call anyone ugly. I wrote that some opinions were ugly. Such as banning all commercial travel from countries in which less than 1% of the population is stricken with a disease which is difficult to catch.

Which is still less relevant than an article about how border controls and flight restrictions have helped limit the spread of ebola to the nations that enacted those measure. Since you're the self-appointed arbiter of what's relevant or ugly, however, all defer to your authority.

 

[timschochet]

That article was better the three times it was posted on page two

Not really. It was just as irrelevant then as well.

True. Calling people ugly is more relevant.

i didn't call anyone ugly. I wrote that some opinions were ugly. Such as banning all commercial travel from countries in which less than 1% of the population is stricken with a disease which is difficult to catch.

Which is still less relevant than an article about how border controls and flight restrictions have helped limit the spread of ebola to the nations that enacted those measure. Since you're the self-appointed arbiter of what's relevant or ugly, however, all defer to your authority.

As you should.

 

[jon_mx]

So we should let in a few thousand of these travelers instead of a handful because we can track them better? Granted there have 'only' been 9,000 cases in these stricken countries, but that probably translates into hundreds of thousands of people exposed to the virus. The logic makes no sense. The screening process is worthless in the first three weeks because the symptoms have not started. Even if the chance is 1%, when you are talking a thousand people, that means 10 ebola infected people wandering around highly populated areas. I would rather take my chances on a handful of them going through the trouble of sneaking in, which I doubt will even be that high. An extremely few people would be motivated to go through that amount of trouble in this situation.

 

[avoiding injuries]

Nobody has articulated a good argument against travel restriction yet. Talking points have been repeated, but when asked to expand, we hear crickets.

Even the CDC has started talking about the economic impact to these countries. Explain that logic to Frontier Airlines, Carnival Cruise Lines, the wedding store in Cleveland, the hospital in Dallas etc. who have all suffered economically.

 

[avoiding injuries]

I heard on cbs news this morning that cruise lines are going to start refusing admission onto their ships to anyone with a passport from a country affected by Ebola.

Makes sense since no country is allowing this cruise ship to enter their country, including Mexico.

 

[timschochet]

I heard on cbs news this morning that cruise lines are going to start refusing admission onto their ships to anyone with a passport from a country affected by Ebola.

Makes sense since no country is allowing this cruise ship to enter their country, including Mexico.

They're doing it because, as a business, they're forced to react to fear and idiocy. Thankfully our government doesn't have to do that.

 

[timschochet]

Nobody has articulated a good argument against travel restriction yet. Talking points have been repeated, but when asked to expand, we hear crickets.

Even the CDC has started talking about the economic impact to these countries. Explain that logic to Frontier Airlines, Carnival Cruise Lines, the wedding store in Cleveland, the hospital in Dallas etc. who have all suffered economically.

theres been several arguments offered and they've all been good.

 

[avoiding injuries]

I heard on cbs news this morning that cruise lines are going to start refusing admission onto their ships to anyone with a passport from a country affected by Ebola.

Makes sense since no country is allowing this cruise ship to enter their country, including Mexico.

They're doing it because, as a business, they're forced to react to fear and idiocy. Thankfully our government doesn't have to do that.

How about Mexico denying the ship?

 

[timschochet]

I heard on cbs news this morning that cruise lines are going to start refusing admission onto their ships to anyone with a passport from a country affected by Ebola.

Makes sense since no country is allowing this cruise ship to enter their country, including Mexico.

They're doing it because, as a business, they're forced to react to fear and idiocy. Thankfully our government doesn't have to do that.

How about Mexico denying the ship?

That's dumb too, though it's a different issue.

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

OMG The sky is falling!!

Don't almost 500,000 people die from the flu globally every year? Yet you dopes are choosing to freak out over this??

You could have made the same arguments against worrying about AIDS when it first broke out. This is an extremely deadly virus that unless very pro-active steps are taken can kill a lot more Americans than any flu virus possibly could. The flu virus kills about 0.005% of those infected vs. Ebola which kills more than 50%. Very silly to compare the two.

Help me out here as I am no epidemiologist or infectious disease expert, but don't viruses mutate and evolve, and often more quickly when presented with new environmental challenges. Could this become more deadly? Could it become airborne?

 

[jon_mx]

Nobody has articulated a good argument against travel restriction yet. Talking points have been repeated, but when asked to expand, we hear crickets.

Even the CDC has started talking about the economic impact to these countries. Explain that logic to Frontier Airlines, Carnival Cruise Lines, the wedding store in Cleveland, the hospital in Dallas etc. who have all suffered economically.

theres been several arguments offered and they've all been good.

You realize how much money it would cost the cruise line if they had one incident. Not worth it, even it the odds were one in 10,000.

 

[jon_mx]

Nobody has articulated a good argument against travel restriction yet. Talking points have been repeated, but when asked to expand, we hear crickets.

Even the CDC has started talking about the economic impact to these countries. Explain that logic to Frontier Airlines, Carnival Cruise Lines, the wedding store in Cleveland, the hospital in Dallas etc. who have all suffered economically.

theres been several arguments offered and they've all been good.

I see little advantage to the screenings and ability to track. There is a much greater advantage of not risking having a thousand people vs. maybe a handful who sneak in.

 

[fatness]

I heard on cbs news this morning that cruise lines are going to start refusing admission onto their ships to anyone with a passport from a country affected by Ebola.

The US is affected by ebola.

 

[Fennis]

OMG The sky is falling!!

Don't almost 500,000 people die from the flu globally every year? Yet you dopes are choosing to freak out over this??

The mortality rate of the flu is not 50-70%.

That is not the mortality rate of Ebola in western countries.