Chaos Commish
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Chaos Commish
Footballguy
take it with a grain of salt, but I'm hearing whispers that Lynch is being less than open in interviews and doing no media and that's what is hurting his stock.
HMMM no Nelson either.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
As good as any at this point.
Posluszny & Houston too low.
Hall & Brown too high.
Meriweather instead of Nelson?
I'm not convinced Moss & Gonzalez are first rounders.
With free safety being one of the least important positions, I have a hard time seeing how the Redskins spend their one pick on it, no matter how good the player may be.
Posluszny & Houston too low.
Hall & Brown too high.
Meriweather instead of Nelson?
I'm not convinced Moss & Gonzalez are first rounders.
With free safety being one of the least important positions, I have a hard time seeing how the Redskins spend their one pick on it, no matter how good the player may be.
identikit
Footballguy
Hmm...very interesting...Normally, I'd have to believe someone would risk a lower 1st round pick for him id he drops that far (in spite of his alleged dumb PR moves). But now in the post-Pacman era, he could drop even more.Id
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agree with Puz too low, he seems like a good candidate for BUF if SF takes Willis. I wouldn't so sure about the Skins not taking Landry. I think your logic is not what the team will use when it comes time to make the pick. When you are picking in the single digits, BPA trumps need.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
That's where my final mock has him going. I think Poz is just the kind of player Levy is looking for. I don't know how much the former Penn Stater Shane Conlan comes to mind...
Lot's of question as to BPA at #6 overall though. I think the BPA philosophy comes later in the draft when there's more question as to whether or not players are of elite status. Still, it would be a good pick to make. Landry will be a stud.
coolnerd
Footballguy
I heard/saw somewhere that the Cardinals maybe one of the teams that like Brown more than Thomas...don't remember where, but maybe a Card's fan can help.Lemme fix that. Where's Lynch? I musta missed him too.Levi will not go that high...
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
I read the same thing. I also think it's total crap and a smokescreen Arizona's putting out in hopes that nobody trades in front of them to take Thomas.
Chaos Commish
Footballguy
Also to be taken with a grain of salt. It's rumored he isn't smart enough to do anything but play deep and react. I read he has choked at the chalk board in some interviews. My take all along has been there is something wrong with the ultra high ratings. He was an excellent JC player who transferred and was plugged in as a rover surrounded by the best defensive talent in the country. I saw him make some great plays, but I also saw him be very fortunate and blow a bunch of plays too.
Chaos Commish
Footballguy
I'm hearing enough negatives about Houston's run support and ball skills to believe it. He is a a force in coverage, he is exceptionally fast quick and strong, but natural hands and some important instincts may be lacking. I am moving him down from CB1 to CB2 and Revis goes back where I should have always left him.I read something somewhere that made a good case for five 1st round CBs.
Wade?Also hearing that Houston is in the 20s now.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Seems to me the rankings and draft spots are returning to pre-combine levels.
Adding to my
conspiracy theory that the combine is nothing more than a marketing tool to get fans introduced to next years crop of celebrities.
Adding to my
conspiracy theory that the combine is nothing more than a marketing tool to get fans introduced to next years crop of celebrities.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
I love this quote. The Raiders should select Quinn over Russell, but likely won't.(I'm not saying Russell isn't a good leader. I'm saying Quinn is better.)
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
-Nawrocki's wrong about the Bills' CB situation too.
-With all the attention they've paid him lately, I would be shocked to see the Rams not select Ginn if he's available.
-Would the Jags really take a safety if Carriker was available?
-The Colts have greater needs than adding depth to the safety position.
-With all the attention they've paid him lately, I would be shocked to see the Rams not select Ginn if he's available.
-Would the Jags really take a safety if Carriker was available?
-The Colts have greater needs than adding depth to the safety position.
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Mr. Brownstone
Footballguy
I've heard the same.
Chaos Commish
Footballguy
I'm not sure but I think it was Casale praising Daymeion Hughes.His corner rankings were... exactly how I see things.eta - unless he was way down on Houston. info overload here I come
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Chaos Commish
Footballguy
I don't know how you can make that claim. What have you seen to support it? Who Dat and I have both seen Quinn break down mentally and we think he has some major issues as a competitor and leader. Russell has been heroic and everyone involved at LSU, coaches and players alike give him praise for his leadership. Russell's downside as a leader is Culpepper. Quinn's is significantly lower-- based on observations from key moments in the toughest games. Russell has ice water in his veins. Quinn's accuracy problems flare up and he forces things.
The greatness of Russell's arm isn't just how strong it is, but how accurate and versatile. He has amazing touch to go with the cannon. Quinn's inaccuracy will probably do him in. I dub him Brady Quinnacurate.
EBF
Footballguy
Guy scares me a little. A bit of a Ricky Williams vibe there. Then again, Edgerrin James and Clinton Portis are strange characters, and they've both held it together just fine.
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Rovers
Footballguy
I just had an out of body experience.... I was told that this mock can be summed up in the writer's first 3 letters of his last name.....
But seriously, there will be some very unhappy fans... KC, NYG, NYJ, BUF, ATL and Philly. At least he knows who the Jets signed on the D front seven this year.... but then turns around and mocks yet another DT. At least it wasn't a TE.....
But seriously, there will be some very unhappy fans... KC, NYG, NYJ, BUF, ATL and Philly. At least he knows who the Jets signed on the D front seven this year.... but then turns around and mocks yet another DT. At least it wasn't a TE.....
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
I'm done debating Russell v. Quinn.I don't know how you can make that claim. What have you seen to support it? Who Dat and I have both seen Quinn break down mentally and we think he has some major issues as a competitor and leader. Russell has been heroic and everyone involved at LSU, coaches and players alike give him praise for his leadership. Russell's downside as a leader is Culpepper. Quinn's is significantly lower-- based on observations from key moments in the toughest games. Russell has ice water in his veins. Quinn's accuracy problems flare up and he forces things.
The greatness of Russell's arm isn't just how strong it is, but how accurate and versatile. He has amazing touch to go with the cannon. Quinn's inaccuracy will probably do him in. I dub him Brady Quinnacurate.
Chaos Commish
Footballguy
This is the Marshawn we know and love... Sounds like those whispers are smoke. Someone wants him to fall. He might. Who knows, but he shouldn't. I think Marshawn is more an LT homebody personality than a Ricky.
eta - he is shy, and that has been documented here. LT is shy.
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Chaos Commish
Footballguy
Well that's no fun. I wasn't aware you had been debating it anyway.I'm done debating Russell v. Quinn.I don't know how you can make that claim. What have you seen to support it? Who Dat and I have both seen Quinn break down mentally and we think he has some major issues as a competitor and leader. Russell has been heroic and everyone involved at LSU, coaches and players alike give him praise for his leadership. Russell's downside as a leader is Culpepper. Quinn's is significantly lower-- based on observations from key moments in the toughest games. Russell has ice water in his veins. Quinn's accuracy problems flare up and he forces things.
The greatness of Russell's arm isn't just how strong it is, but how accurate and versatile. He has amazing touch to go with the cannon. Quinn's inaccuracy will probably do him in. I dub him Brady Quinnacurate.
Chaos Commish
Footballguy
Meh, it wasn't Casale. He like Houston #1, Revis 2, Ross 3 Hall 4, loves Wade and Hughes, doesn't care for McCauley. I really like the way that guy works every year. You should Audible him.
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
MORE LYNCH GOSSIP
RB Lynch gets clean bill of health by Packers
Written by: BOB McGINN ¦ 4/21/2007
Source: www.jsonline.com
Green Bay - The Green Bay Packers cleared the final hurdle to a possible first-round selection of running back Marshawn Lynch when the team's medical staff signed off Friday on what has been described by National Football League club officials as a congenital disc abnormality in his lower back.
General manager Ted Thompson departed from his normal protocol of not inviting potential top picks to the team's facility in this case mainly because he wanted Lynch's back examined.
On Saturday, agent Doug Hendrickson indicated that, although it was his understanding no magnetic resonance imaging test was performed on Lynch, the Packers were satisfied and passed him on his physical.
"It was first reported at Cal back in '02," Hendrickson said Saturday. "No team is really concerned about it. All he does is exercises for it to strengthen it."
Lynch, a junior from the University of California, is a consensus pick as the No. 2 running back in the draft behind Oklahoma's Adrian Peterson. For months, he has been a popular projection for the Packers with their 16th overall selection.
Green Bay was the ninth and final team that Lynch visited this month. Others were Detroit (second pick), Cleveland (3), Atlanta (8), Buffalo (12), St. Louis (13), Tennessee (19), Kansas City (23) and Baltimore (29).
Officials from four of those teams told the Journal Sentinel after visits by Lynch that their medical staffs had cleared his back. A personnel director for an AFC team that met with Lynch visit said, "We checked it out and we're fine with it. It's like a disc. We gave him an MRI. He said he was able to do all his lifts and it hasn't precluded him from doing anything."
Lynch underwent an MRI at the combine in late February. Based on those findings, another personnel director said he would be off his board. That team reversed its conclusions after a visit in which its doctors performed their own tests.
"I know that there's some teams that will red-flag him," one NFC executive said. "But I don't know that it will (prompt) a lot of teams from staying away from him."
In college, Lynch has been able to play through his back problems.
Lynch arrived in Green Bay on Thursday after a visit in Buffalo and spent most of Friday with the Packers. It was the final day for visits by draft-eligible players.
"I talked to Ted Thompson Friday," Hendrickson said. "He said everyone in the organization was very impressed by him. Obviously, they'd love to have him as a Packer. I've known Ted for a long time and he's always very forthright."
Lynch, according to the agent, met with Thompson, coach Mike McCarthy, running backs Edgar Bennett and many others, including former teammate Aaron Rodgers.
"If he was chosen by Green Bay, he'd love it," Hendrickson said. "Kind of in the back of his mind he's kind of always thought he's going to Green Bay. He grew up in Oakland and hasn't been to a lot of places. He kind of is a home-body. He obviously loves the tradition of Green Bay."
After meeting Lynch during visits, two personnel men from different teams offered similar appraisals.
"He was fine," one scout said. "He's from Oakland and he's got an Oakland personality. But he came off as a good kid and very personable."
"He's proud of his heritage," said another scout. "There's no phoniness about him. The kid's OK."
Clearly, the Packers must get a running back to join Vernand Morency. Besides Lynch, their best options would be trading up for Peterson or taking a runner with picks in the second (No. 47) or third rounds (No. 78).
On Saturday, Peterson said he hadn't thought much about playing for the Packers but wouldn't rule out the possibility of that occurring.
"They definitely have a need for a running back," Peterson said. "I really don't know too much if they're going to try to trade up for a back. I knew they had some interest in Marshawn Lynch."
Peterson's visits were to Detroit (2), Cleveland (3), Tampa Bay (4), Washington (6), Minnesota (7) and Atlanta (8).
Each team is permitted to bring 30 players to town for visits but, unlike some teams, the Packers announce nothing. Other than Lynch, the only other first-day player known to have visited was Eric Wright of Nevada-Las Vegas, a cornerback regarded as a major character risk by many teams.
Among players saying they had not visited Green Bay were tight end Greg Olsen of Miami; running back Michael Bush of Louisville; defensive linemen Jamaal Anderson of Arkansas, Adam Carriker of Nebraska, Justin Harrell of Tennessee and Alan Branch of Michigan; linebacker Patrick Willis of Mississippi; and cornerback Darrelle Revis of Pittsburgh.
"Some teams do a lot of visits, some do a few and some do none," said Olsen, adding he wouldn't be shocked to be taken as high as 16th. "If they feel they met a guy and know enough about him, and he doesn't have any injuries, I guess they don't feel they have to bring them in to waste one of their spots."
In 2005, Willis' position coach was Shawn Slocum, now the Packers' assistant special teams coach.
"He really wishes I can get up there," Willis said. "He said people talk about me all the time there."
If the Packers remain at No. 16 and Lynch isn't their choice, they could select one from a sizable group of players.
Even now, six days before the draft, there appear to be just six players that have no chance to reach the 16th pick: wide receiver Calvin Johnson of Georgia Tech, tackle Joe Thomas of Wisconsin, quarterback JaMarcus Russell of Louisiana State, defensive end Gaines Adams of Clemson, safety LaRon Landry of LSU and Peterson.
Olsen, the only deep threat at tight end, surely would interest them. So could wide receivers such as Ted Ginn Jr. of Ohio State, Robert Meachem of Tennessee and Dwayne Bowe of LSU. And what if Penn State tackle Levi Brown slips?
On defense, linemen such as Louisville's Amobi Okoye, Anderson, Carriker, Harrell and Branch certainly would have appeal.
The Packers could possible field the finest linebacking corps in the league with the pick of Willis, Penn State's Paul Posluszny, Miami's Jon Beason or Florida State's Lawrence Timmons. All four are better athletically than Brady Poppinga.
In the secondary, cornerbacks Leon Hall of Michigan, Aaron Ross of Texas A&M and Revis would fill a need. And safeties Reggie Nelson of Florida, Brandon Meriweather of Miami and Michael Griffin of Texas would start immediately.
In all, the Packers have nine selections, including two extra in the seventh round: one compensatory and one from the New York Jets for tackle Steve Morley.
RB Lynch gets clean bill of health by Packers
Written by: BOB McGINN ¦ 4/21/2007
Source: www.jsonline.com
Green Bay - The Green Bay Packers cleared the final hurdle to a possible first-round selection of running back Marshawn Lynch when the team's medical staff signed off Friday on what has been described by National Football League club officials as a congenital disc abnormality in his lower back.
General manager Ted Thompson departed from his normal protocol of not inviting potential top picks to the team's facility in this case mainly because he wanted Lynch's back examined.
On Saturday, agent Doug Hendrickson indicated that, although it was his understanding no magnetic resonance imaging test was performed on Lynch, the Packers were satisfied and passed him on his physical.
"It was first reported at Cal back in '02," Hendrickson said Saturday. "No team is really concerned about it. All he does is exercises for it to strengthen it."
Lynch, a junior from the University of California, is a consensus pick as the No. 2 running back in the draft behind Oklahoma's Adrian Peterson. For months, he has been a popular projection for the Packers with their 16th overall selection.
Green Bay was the ninth and final team that Lynch visited this month. Others were Detroit (second pick), Cleveland (3), Atlanta (8), Buffalo (12), St. Louis (13), Tennessee (19), Kansas City (23) and Baltimore (29).
Officials from four of those teams told the Journal Sentinel after visits by Lynch that their medical staffs had cleared his back. A personnel director for an AFC team that met with Lynch visit said, "We checked it out and we're fine with it. It's like a disc. We gave him an MRI. He said he was able to do all his lifts and it hasn't precluded him from doing anything."
Lynch underwent an MRI at the combine in late February. Based on those findings, another personnel director said he would be off his board. That team reversed its conclusions after a visit in which its doctors performed their own tests.
"I know that there's some teams that will red-flag him," one NFC executive said. "But I don't know that it will (prompt) a lot of teams from staying away from him."
In college, Lynch has been able to play through his back problems.
Lynch arrived in Green Bay on Thursday after a visit in Buffalo and spent most of Friday with the Packers. It was the final day for visits by draft-eligible players.
"I talked to Ted Thompson Friday," Hendrickson said. "He said everyone in the organization was very impressed by him. Obviously, they'd love to have him as a Packer. I've known Ted for a long time and he's always very forthright."
Lynch, according to the agent, met with Thompson, coach Mike McCarthy, running backs Edgar Bennett and many others, including former teammate Aaron Rodgers.
"If he was chosen by Green Bay, he'd love it," Hendrickson said. "Kind of in the back of his mind he's kind of always thought he's going to Green Bay. He grew up in Oakland and hasn't been to a lot of places. He kind of is a home-body. He obviously loves the tradition of Green Bay."
After meeting Lynch during visits, two personnel men from different teams offered similar appraisals.
"He was fine," one scout said. "He's from Oakland and he's got an Oakland personality. But he came off as a good kid and very personable."
"He's proud of his heritage," said another scout. "There's no phoniness about him. The kid's OK."
Clearly, the Packers must get a running back to join Vernand Morency. Besides Lynch, their best options would be trading up for Peterson or taking a runner with picks in the second (No. 47) or third rounds (No. 78).
On Saturday, Peterson said he hadn't thought much about playing for the Packers but wouldn't rule out the possibility of that occurring.
"They definitely have a need for a running back," Peterson said. "I really don't know too much if they're going to try to trade up for a back. I knew they had some interest in Marshawn Lynch."
Peterson's visits were to Detroit (2), Cleveland (3), Tampa Bay (4), Washington (6), Minnesota (7) and Atlanta (8).
Each team is permitted to bring 30 players to town for visits but, unlike some teams, the Packers announce nothing. Other than Lynch, the only other first-day player known to have visited was Eric Wright of Nevada-Las Vegas, a cornerback regarded as a major character risk by many teams.
Among players saying they had not visited Green Bay were tight end Greg Olsen of Miami; running back Michael Bush of Louisville; defensive linemen Jamaal Anderson of Arkansas, Adam Carriker of Nebraska, Justin Harrell of Tennessee and Alan Branch of Michigan; linebacker Patrick Willis of Mississippi; and cornerback Darrelle Revis of Pittsburgh.
"Some teams do a lot of visits, some do a few and some do none," said Olsen, adding he wouldn't be shocked to be taken as high as 16th. "If they feel they met a guy and know enough about him, and he doesn't have any injuries, I guess they don't feel they have to bring them in to waste one of their spots."
In 2005, Willis' position coach was Shawn Slocum, now the Packers' assistant special teams coach.
"He really wishes I can get up there," Willis said. "He said people talk about me all the time there."
If the Packers remain at No. 16 and Lynch isn't their choice, they could select one from a sizable group of players.
Even now, six days before the draft, there appear to be just six players that have no chance to reach the 16th pick: wide receiver Calvin Johnson of Georgia Tech, tackle Joe Thomas of Wisconsin, quarterback JaMarcus Russell of Louisiana State, defensive end Gaines Adams of Clemson, safety LaRon Landry of LSU and Peterson.
Olsen, the only deep threat at tight end, surely would interest them. So could wide receivers such as Ted Ginn Jr. of Ohio State, Robert Meachem of Tennessee and Dwayne Bowe of LSU. And what if Penn State tackle Levi Brown slips?
On defense, linemen such as Louisville's Amobi Okoye, Anderson, Carriker, Harrell and Branch certainly would have appeal.
The Packers could possible field the finest linebacking corps in the league with the pick of Willis, Penn State's Paul Posluszny, Miami's Jon Beason or Florida State's Lawrence Timmons. All four are better athletically than Brady Poppinga.
In the secondary, cornerbacks Leon Hall of Michigan, Aaron Ross of Texas A&M and Revis would fill a need. And safeties Reggie Nelson of Florida, Brandon Meriweather of Miami and Michael Griffin of Texas would start immediately.
In all, the Packers have nine selections, including two extra in the seventh round: one compensatory and one from the New York Jets for tackle Steve Morley.
The Jacket
Footballguy
Not a fan of Moss. Allen may have SOME question marks, but still, there's no excuse for the Chiefs to draft a first-round DE unless a guy better than Moss slips.
Better picks would include Harrell, Houston and Staley, imo.
Better picks would include Harrell, Houston and Staley, imo.
Englishteacher
Footballguy
guys.... what about Lynch and the alleged assault, physical and sexual, of his former girlfriend? And didn't she have a restraining order taken out on him?
Chaos Commish
Footballguy
Marshawn's ex-girlfriend (from HS) was a nutcase... seriously. It got so bad her own attorney was highly critical of her.
GRIDIRON ASSASSIN
Footballguy
I'm fine with the Bears taking Grubbs or Blalock in Round One, then an OLB or TE in Round Two, then an OLB (if they don't draft one yet) or a CB in Round Three.
Grubbs, Kreutz, Ruben Brown and John Tate provide a formidible quintet to offset the weak link at ORT - Fred Miller.
Grubbs, Kreutz, Ruben Brown and John Tate provide a formidible quintet to offset the weak link at ORT - Fred Miller.
Ramblin Wreck
Footballguy
I think the 5th first round CB could be either McCauley or even Josh Wilson for someone looking for a CB and a returner who loves the workout numbers. One thing I've learned watching many years of drafts is that no matter how many mocks we read, there's always a handful of players that go earlier than all the mocks and a handful that always drop.
Ramblin Wreck
Footballguy
I don't think the Jags will take a Safety in Round 1 unless they trade back to do so. No one besides Landry is worth a top 17 pick.I think the Colts will take a CB especially if they don't match the bid for Jason David.
Mr. Brownstone
Footballguy
I would hope not.
ConstruxBoy
Kate's Daddy
Shhhhhhh!!!!
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
:X
Is Washington showing interest in Taylor knowing that the Falcons would like him?
Damn, I love this year's draft! There's no way to be right, but it's incredibly interesting.
Is Washington showing interest in Taylor knowing that the Falcons would like him?
Damn, I love this year's draft! There's no way to be right, but it's incredibly interesting.
what Marv should remember is that Shane Conlan sucked after he hurt his knee.Poz may have been the pick before he hurt his knee, but not anymore.He fits better in a traditional D, not in the speed based cover 2 that the Bills want to play.
