PGA's Steve Elkington tweets gay joke re:Michael Sams (1 Viewer)

[LinusMarr]

Not surprised to see Linus Marr with so many posts here. Michael Sam is black, he's gay, and as an elite athlete he's an example of human evolution- this is exactly the sort of guy Peens wants to be with.

Exactly!! Oh, and Go Obama!!

 

[Apple Jack]

Dumb joke, good point. Guy is a football player.

Last night they were talking about Jason Collins re-entry into the league. First openly gay in any of the four major sports yada yada yada. One guy who covered the game was surprised that in L.A. there was just lukewarm applause. Look, everyone supports him, but last night's line a typical Collins stat line: 11 minutes, 2 rebounds, 1 steal, no points. It's deserving of lukewarm applause. Anything more is patronizing, no?

Don't read the news much, eh?

 

[BobbyLayne]

Dumb joke, good point. Guy is a football player.

Last night they were talking about Jason Collins re-entry into the league. First openly gay in any of the four major sports yada yada yada. One guy who covered the game was surprised that in L.A. there was just lukewarm applause. Look, everyone supports him, but last night's line a typical Collins stat line: 11 minutes, 2 rebounds, 1 steal, no points. It's deserving of lukewarm applause. Anything more is patronizing, no?

Don't read the news much, eh?

70%+ favorable reaction when he came out 9-10 months ago. Did I miss some hidden groundswell?

 

[Apple Jack]

Dumb joke, good point. Guy is a football player.

Last night they were talking about Jason Collins re-entry into the league. First openly gay in any of the four major sports yada yada yada. One guy who covered the game was surprised that in L.A. there was just lukewarm applause. Look, everyone supports him, but last night's line a typical Collins stat line: 11 minutes, 2 rebounds, 1 steal, no points. It's deserving of lukewarm applause. Anything more is patronizing, no?

Don't read the news much, eh?

70%+ favorable reaction when he came out 9-10 months ago. Did I miss some hidden groundswell?

Might need a refresher on the definition of "everyone." Also, see the recent news out of Arizona.

 

[BobbyLayne]

Dumb joke, good point. Guy is a football player.

Last night they were talking about Jason Collins re-entry into the league. First openly gay in any of the four major sports yada yada yada. One guy who covered the game was surprised that in L.A. there was just lukewarm applause. Look, everyone supports him, but last night's line a typical Collins stat line: 11 minutes, 2 rebounds, 1 steal, no points. It's deserving of lukewarm applause. Anything more is patronizing, no?

Don't read the news much, eh?

70%+ favorable reaction when he came out 9-10 months ago. Did I miss some hidden groundswell?

Might need a refresher on the definition of "everyone." Also, see the recent news out of Arizona.

Same as day one around here

 

[Politician Spock]

Hey Steve, what does the L in LPGA stand for?

 

[Apple Jack]

Dumb joke, good point. Guy is a football player.

Last night they were talking about Jason Collins re-entry into the league. First openly gay in any of the four major sports yada yada yada. One guy who covered the game was surprised that in L.A. there was just lukewarm applause. Look, everyone supports him, but last night's line a typical Collins stat line: 11 minutes, 2 rebounds, 1 steal, no points. It's deserving of lukewarm applause. Anything more is patronizing, no?

Don't read the news much, eh?

70%+ favorable reaction when he came out 9-10 months ago. Did I miss some hidden groundswell?

Might need a refresher on the definition of "everyone." Also, see the recent news out of Arizona.

Same as day one around here

What, you not getting it "yada yada yada"?

 

[BobbyLayne]

Have a good night, AJ. I mean that literally.

 

[Apple Jack]

You seem to think I'm nitpicking just to troll. What you don't appear to understand is that the error I pointed out makes your entire argument fall apart and highlights a pretty glaring ignorance on the subject.

 

[BobbyLayne]

You seem to think I'm nitpicking just to troll. What you don't appear to understand is that the error I pointed out makes your entire argument fall apart and highlights a pretty glaring ignorance on the subject.

Thanks. Very kind service on your part. I'll strive to cover every possible nuance in order to protect myself from the error of over generalizing.

I'm sure it's clear as you read through all of my posts throughout thus thread this is def a topic I haven't thought through very thoroughly. You're a peach for deepening my understanding.

 

[BobbyLayne]

Dumb joke, good point. Guy is a football player.

Last night they were talking about Jason Collins re-entry into the league. First openly gay in any of the four major sports yada yada yada. One guy who covered the game was surprised that in L.A. there was just lukewarm applause. Look, everyone supports him, but last night's line a typical Collins stat line: 11 minutes, 2 rebounds, 1 steal, no points. It's deserving of lukewarm applause. Anything more is patronizing, no?

Your point is the applause should be tempered because he's not a top player? That's not why they were applauding.

It's not patronizing at all to acknowledge his courage with applause.

OK, fine.

But let's be real about how much courage it took. It's not Jackie when a good sized portion of the society, his opponents and even teammates are opposed to him being out there. We're at a point in time where, yes, of course it's a story, and IMO it's very quickly - a few years - it will be a non-story in any sport.

As someone who is openly supportive of LBGT causes at work, in my community, et al - I'm looking forward to that normalcy.

It's nothing like Jackie Robinson. Not only is the cultural stigma far less, but it was also a secret he chose to announce. He could have said nothing and been fine. The fact he chose to put himself out there with really nothing to gain makes it courageous.

Yep, and good on him. Someone had to take that incremental step.

I could be wrong but I could see a bunch of athletes coming out in the next year or two. More NBAers, couple ML ball players, 5 NFL players at once. NHL will probably follow NASCAR, but I could see out of the closet athletes in the rest of the team sports by the end of 2015.

While I welcome that change, I'm already looking forward and beyond that to the non-story. I honestly don't think this is a big deal to most of the players - they already have closeted teammates or family members or gay friends. The media makes it out to be something monumental. No, it's just sports catching up to the military, the work force, the RotW.

FTR

 

[jon_mx]

As someone who likes funny jokes, I am offended.

joke about Sams strutting around with a boner >>>>>>>> joke about purse throwing

Actually a good line could be made with the banner below saying 1st Attempt 4.79.....that is disappointing for even a white man.

 

[Rubi]

So,who knew Steve Elkington before the "tweet"?

Probably all of his twitter followers.

Would that be a multitude or a plethora?

It's not that hard to find out if you're really interested.

You're almost as good at constructing sarcasm as Elkington is a joke.

 

[rascal]

In December 2013, Elkington was widely condemned for remarks he made on Twitter following a fatal helicopter crash in Glasgow'sClutha pub. He wrote: "Helicopter crashes into Scottish pub… Locals report no beer was spilled." The tweet was quickly deleted but not before being shared by users of the social networking site. The comment provoked a furious backlash from his fellow players and commentators alike

holy crap

 

[rascal]

As someone who likes funny jokes, I am offended.

joke about Sams strutting around with a boner >>>>>>>> joke about purse throwing

Actually a good line could be made with the banner below saying 1st Attempt 4.79.....that is disappointing for even a white man.

I laughed

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

Offensive and funny is fine, IMO.

Offensive and unfunny is ill-advised.

 

[Guest]

Well? How far was his throw?

 

[Limp Ditka]

Dumb joke, good point. Guy is a football player.

Last night they were talking about Jason Collins re-entry into the league. First openly gay in any of the four major sports yada yada yada. One guy who covered the game was surprised that in L.A. there was just lukewarm applause. Look, everyone supports him, but last night's line a typical Collins stat line: 11 minutes, 2 rebounds, 1 steal, no points. It's deserving of lukewarm applause. Anything more is patronizing, no?

Your point is the applause should be tempered because he's not a top player? That's not why they were applauding.

It's not patronizing at all to acknowledge his courage with applause.

OK, fine.

But let's be real about how much courage it took. It's not Jackie when a good sized portion of the society, his opponents and even teammates are opposed to him being out there. We're at a point in time where, yes, of course it's a story, and IMO it's very quickly - a few years - it will be a non-story in any sport.

As someone who is openly supportive of LBGT causes at work, in my community, et al - I'm looking forward to that normalcy.

It's nothing like Jackie Robinson. Not only is the cultural stigma far less, but it was also a secret he chose to announce. He could have said nothing and been fine. The fact he chose to put himself out there with really nothing to gain makes it courageous.

Nothing to gain? Noteririty has to count for something, doesn't it?Plus, it the perfect storm for this. Anyone of his peers that takes issue with this is setting themselves up to face a ridiculous amount of ridicule. The media is pretty much 100% on his side.

The same can't be said of Jackie Robinson. Someone dropped a N bomb on Jackie Robinson, or intentionally tried to take him out, it was a non story and probably even applauded.

Nope, nothing to gain for exactly the reasons you gave. He's not a prominent enough athlete and what he did is not overcoming enough to gain any long term notoriety. There will be no movies made about Jason Collins 30 years from now.

There doesn't need to be a movie.HTH

OK.. Bump the thread in a year or 2 and we'll talk about what kind of spotlight is on Jason Collins

I'll bump it on the 5, 10, 15 year anniversary of his first 'open' game.

You really don't think he'll get a blurb on SC then?

You know.... why bother waiting, 2,5,10,15 years?

http://www.cnn.com/2014/02/25/us/jason-collins-jersey/index.html?hpt=us_c2

(CNN) -- Last week, Jason Collins wasn't even on an NBA team. In two weeks, he might not be on one.

But for now, Collins -- the first openly gay, active player in the United States' four big sports leagues -- is, by jersey sales, the NBA's most popular player.

NBA Senior Vice President Vicky Picca said Tuesday that Collins' No. 98 Brooklyn Nets uniform is the top-seller on NBA.com, besting the likes of LeBron James, Kevin Durant and Blake Griffin. The interest is coming from the fans Collins has earned since announcing last year, when he was still unemployed, that he was gay.

 

[fatness]

And what does it matter anyway? Are people really arguing that gay athletes need to stay in the closet or be branded a drama queen? Do we expect straight athletes to somehow keep their private lives secret. How dare that Carmelo Anthony! Nobody wants to know about his wife!

I think gay athletes are supposed to stay in the closet or be Jackie Robinson. Otherwise they're cramming things down people's throats.

I think that's the latest crybaby rules.

 

[[icon]]

There is, thankfully, a grey area in the attention whore spectrum between "Stays in the closet" and "sets up interviews with every major news media outlet that will give him airtime".

Difficult to believe, I know, but true.

When you thrust yourself into the public eye, expect people to comment on you... and you have reasonable right to expect that commentary to be 100% positive.

 

[JuniorNB]

And what does it matter anyway? Are people really arguing that gay athletes need to stay in the closet or be branded a drama queen? Do we expect straight athletes to somehow keep their private lives secret. How dare that Carmelo Anthony! Nobody wants to know about his wife!

I think gay athletes are supposed to stay in the closet or be Jackie Robinson. Otherwise they're cramming things down people's throats.

I think that's the latest crybaby rules.

There's no need to get graphic

 

[Chaka]

There is, thankfully, a grey area in the attention whore spectrum between "Stays in the closet" and "sets up interviews with every major news media outlet that will give him airtime".

Difficult to believe, I know, but true.

When you thrust yourself into the public eye, expect people to comment on you... and you have reasonable right to expect that commentary to be 100% positive.

He didn't thrust himself into the public he was going to be put into the spotlight no matter what.

And he didn't run to every major media outlet, they came to him.

His choice was to set the narrative or have it set for him. Which would you choose?

 

[JuniorNB]

There is, thankfully, a grey area in the attention whore spectrum between "Stays in the closet" and "sets up interviews with every major news media outlet that will give him airtime".

Difficult to believe, I know, but true.

When you thrust yourself into the public eye, expect people to comment on you... and you have reasonable right to expect that commentary to be 100% positive.

He didn't thrust himself into the public he was going to be put into the spotlight no matter what.

And he didn't run to every major media outlet, they came to him.

His choice was to set the narrative or have it set for him. Which would you choose?

Don't tap the glass

 

[17seconds]

You know.... why bother waiting, 2,5,10,15 years?

http://www.cnn.com/2014/02/25/us/jason-collins-jersey/index.html?hpt=us_c2

(CNN) -- Last week, Jason Collins wasn't even on an NBA team. In two weeks, he might not be on one.

But for now, Collins -- the first openly gay, active player in the United States' four big sports leagues -- is, by jersey sales, the NBA's most popular player.

NBA Senior Vice President Vicky Picca said Tuesday that Collins' No. 98 Brooklyn Nets uniform is the top-seller on NBA.com, besting the likes of LeBron James, Kevin Durant and Blake Griffin. The interest is coming from the fans Collins has earned since announcing last year, when he was still unemployed, that he was gay.

What does this even mean? Was I saying this isn't a story right now?

How are Jeremy Lin jerseys doing?

 

[Sarnoff]

http://www.cnn.com/2014/02/25/us/jason-collins-jersey/index.html?hpt=us_c2

(CNN) -- Last week, Jason Collins wasn't even on an NBA team. In two weeks, he might not be on one.

But for now, Collins -- the first openly gay, active player in the United States' four big sports leagues -- is, by jersey sales, the NBA's most popular player.

NBA Senior Vice President Vicky Picca said Tuesday that Collins' No. 98 Brooklyn Nets uniform is the top-seller on NBA.com, besting the likes of LeBron James, Kevin Durant and Blake Griffin. The interest is coming from the fans Collins has earned since announcing last year, when he was still unemployed, that he was gay.

This is really kinda meaningless. It's the only new jersey out there, the guy just signed with the team. Everyone who wants a Lebron jersey already has one... it's not like they're saying "Now that he broke his nose, now's the time I'm gonna wear it!" Weekly sales during the season are pretty much just people buying birthday gifts... and new guys who have just popped onto the scene. Not surprising that it's the top seller.

 

[Limp Ditka]

You know.... why bother waiting, 2,5,10,15 years?

http://www.cnn.com/2014/02/25/us/jason-collins-jersey/index.html?hpt=us_c2

(CNN) -- Last week, Jason Collins wasn't even on an NBA team. In two weeks, he might not be on one.

But for now, Collins -- the first openly gay, active player in the United States' four big sports leagues -- is, by jersey sales, the NBA's most popular player.

NBA Senior Vice President Vicky Picca said Tuesday that Collins' No. 98 Brooklyn Nets uniform is the top-seller on NBA.com, besting the likes of LeBron James, Kevin Durant and Blake Griffin. The interest is coming from the fans Collins has earned since announcing last year, when he was still unemployed, that he was gay.

What does this even mean? Was I saying this isn't a story right now?

How are Jeremy Lin jerseys doing?

I didn't bring up anything about 'long term' notoriety until you did.

I simply said that notoriety was to be gained. Individuals don't have the exceed Warhol's '15 minutes of fame' to achieve it.

 

[17seconds]

You know.... why bother waiting, 2,5,10,15 years?

http://www.cnn.com/2014/02/25/us/jason-collins-jersey/index.html?hpt=us_c2

(CNN) -- Last week, Jason Collins wasn't even on an NBA team. In two weeks, he might not be on one.

But for now, Collins -- the first openly gay, active player in the United States' four big sports leagues -- is, by jersey sales, the NBA's most popular player.

NBA Senior Vice President Vicky Picca said Tuesday that Collins' No. 98 Brooklyn Nets uniform is the top-seller on NBA.com, besting the likes of LeBron James, Kevin Durant and Blake Griffin. The interest is coming from the fans Collins has earned since announcing last year, when he was still unemployed, that he was gay.

What does this even mean? Was I saying this isn't a story right now?

How are Jeremy Lin jerseys doing?

I didn't bring up anything about 'long term' notoriety until you did.

I simply said that notoriety was to be gained. Individuals don't have the exceed Warhol's '15 minutes of fame' to achieve it.

OK. I don't know why you thought I believe he has no notoriety right now. It won't last. Thought I was clear about that.

 

[Limp Ditka]

You know.... why bother waiting, 2,5,10,15 years?

http://www.cnn.com/2014/02/25/us/jason-collins-jersey/index.html?hpt=us_c2

(CNN) -- Last week, Jason Collins wasn't even on an NBA team. In two weeks, he might not be on one.

But for now, Collins -- the first openly gay, active player in the United States' four big sports leagues -- is, by jersey sales, the NBA's most popular player.

NBA Senior Vice President Vicky Picca said Tuesday that Collins' No. 98 Brooklyn Nets uniform is the top-seller on NBA.com, besting the likes of LeBron James, Kevin Durant and Blake Griffin. The interest is coming from the fans Collins has earned since announcing last year, when he was still unemployed, that he was gay.

What does this even mean? Was I saying this isn't a story right now?

How are Jeremy Lin jerseys doing?

I didn't bring up anything about 'long term' notoriety until you did.

I simply said that notoriety was to be gained. Individuals don't have the exceed Warhol's '15 minutes of fame' to achieve it.

OK. I don't know why you thought I believe he has no notoriety right now. It won't last. Thought I was clear about that.

clearly wrong.

 

[Chaka]

There is, thankfully, a grey area in the attention whore spectrum between "Stays in the closet" and "sets up interviews with every major news media outlet that will give him airtime".

Difficult to believe, I know, but true.

When you thrust yourself into the public eye, expect people to comment on you... and you have reasonable right to expect that commentary to be 100% positive.

He didn't thrust himself into the public he was going to be put into the spotlight no matter what.

And he didn't run to every major media outlet, they came to him.

His choice was to set the narrative or have it set for him. Which would you choose?

Don't tap the glass

Fair enough.

 

[Christo]

There is, thankfully, a grey area in the attention whore spectrum between "Stays in the closet" and "sets up interviews with every major news media outlet that will give him airtime".

Difficult to believe, I know, but true.

When you thrust yourself into the public eye, expect people to comment on you... and you have reasonable right to expect that commentary to be 100% positive.

He didn't thrust himself into the public he was going to be put into the spotlight no matter what.

And he didn't run to every major media outlet, they came to him.

His choice was to set the narrative or have it set for him. Which would you choose?

Don't tap the glass

Is this some sort of gay sex thing?