PIT INT at the end of the PIT/MIA game...? (1 Viewer)

[TheDirtyWord]

Anyone see this...?

If you look at the game log, on 4th and 6 on the 33, Henne is shown to have thrown an incompletion. However, quite a bit of bruhaha has been made that there was actually an INT made. And in the game book PIT takes over at the 32 instead of the 33.

Can anyone verify?

 

[Ministry of Pain]

No interception, hit the ground but there was a fumble in the end zone that Miami should have been awarded.

 

[TheDirtyWord]

No interception, hit the ground but there was a fumble in the end zone that Miami should have been awarded.

Why would PIT take over at the 32 then?

 

[Ghost Rider]

No interception, hit the ground but there was a fumble in the end zone that Miami should have been awarded.

Why would PIT take over at the 32 then?

Because they were trying to keep their terrible officiating in the game consistent?

 

[BigSteelThrill]

No interception, hit the ground but there was a fumble in the end zone that Miami should have been awarded.

Nah, if the whistle hadnt been blown Ben would have grabbed it rather easily. But it had been blown on his way down and thus he looks away from the ball and down to the Ref who had used the whistle.

 

[Magnum]

I watched the game/play. The refs ruled it an INT. Replays shows the ball hit the ground. But, there was no review/challenge as it was 4th down and Pitt ball regardless with just seconds to play. No idea how the ruling was changed to incomplete rather than INT when the ruling on the field was INT. Yes, I have the Pitt D.

 

[CrossEyed]

I watched the game/play. The refs ruled it an INT. Replays shows the ball hit the ground. But, there was no review/challenge as it was 4th down and Pitt ball regardless with just seconds to play. No idea how the ruling was changed to incomplete rather than INT when the ruling on the field was INT. Yes, I have the Pitt D.

This.

 

[Ladsud]

Anyone expecting Pitt to be given the INT since it was ruled as such on the field?

 

[TommyGilmore]

Anyone expecting Pitt to be given the INT since it was ruled as such on the field?

I am inclined to think that the NFL will leave it as an incompletion, since that's what it was.

 

[Magnum]

Anyone expecting Pitt to be given the INT since it was ruled as such on the field?

I am inclined to think that the NFL will leave it as an incompletion, since that's what it was.

What it "was" in reality.......and how it was RULED on the field are two differnt things.

 

[TommyGilmore]

Anyone expecting Pitt to be given the INT since it was ruled as such on the field?

I am inclined to think that the NFL will leave it as an incompletion, since that's what it was.

What it "was" in reality.......and how it was RULED on the field are two differnt things.

It was RULED an incompletion according to the box score and the Gamebook.

 

[CrossEyed]

It was RULED an incompletion according to the box score and the Gamebook.

On the field it was ruled an INT.

 

[TommyGilmore]

It was RULED an incompletion according to the box score and the Gamebook.

On the field it was ruled an INT.

I know that. But the official scorer immediately marked it down as an incomplete pass, seemingly ignoring the ruling by the referee. That's why I don't think the NFL will change the stat.When asked, the NFL will simply claim that the referee inadvertently signaled "INT" when he meant to signal "incompletion". And that will be that.The NFL rarely changes stats to the "wrong" call.

 

[TommyGilmore]

Besides, it looked more like a fumble than an incomplete pass.

 

[RUSF18]

As a Henne owner (Peyton bye), I brought this up in the game thread. No one "signaled" INT, it was specifically announced as an INT by the referee. I asked if it could possibly be changed to an incompletion later on since the booth had no interest in bothering with a review and got different answers. Was surprised to see it never being reflected in the box score. I don't know if this is an "official" answer, but maybe the booth knew what happened right away and made their own announcement to the scorer and didn't bother signaling a stoppage just to save a yard.

 

[Ladsud]

Looks like Pit gets that int

http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/sports/fa...otball-160.html

 

[Magnum]

Looks like Pit gets that int

http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/sports/fa...otball-160.html

Paging Tommy "know it all" Gilmore

 

[johnnyboy8102]

Watch the replay. The play was clearly and incompletion.

Harrison got a gift there.

 

[LTF]

What's ironic is that I'm not sure that still wasn't a sack/fumble from Worilds.

The ball ended up going forward, but I'm pretty sure it was empty hand and Henne had already lost control of the ball when his arm was still back.

Sort of like the Kurt Warner fumble to end XLIII.

 

[shredhead]

In my archaic league that still hasn't discovered decimal scoring, I just had a tie changed to a win on NFL.com. (I have the Pitt D) I saw the play live with my own eyes and I know it wasn't an INT. Getting a win like this is kinda like kissing your sister. I'm not sure what's going to happen with this, should I say anything?

 

[southeastjerome]

Watch the replay. The play was clearly and incompletion. Harrison got a gift there.

Got a link to the replay?

 

[Go deep]

No interception, hit the ground but there was a fumble in the end zone that Miami should have been awarded.

Nah, if the whistle hadnt been blown Ben would have grabbed it rather easily. But it had been blown on his way down and thus he looks away from the ball and down to the Ref who had used the whistle.

Are you being serious? Ben didnt have a chance at recovering that fumble, and the whistle didnt blow until the ball was under the pile.

 

[kinghill]

Changed a tie to a win in our league. Huge.

3:10

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ByFi-9XMkm0

 

[RobMexico]

This is crazy. This has effected me in 2 outta 3 of my leagues.

In one league I won by two and now it's a tie (played the Steelers). In the other I went from losing by one to winning (have the Steelers).

Apparently the Dolphins are challenging the ruling saying it wasn't an INT. Very interesting to see how this shakes out.

 

[AhrnCityPahnder]

Apparently the Dolphins are challenging the ruling saying it wasn't an INT. Very interesting to see how this shakes out.

Is there any precedence for appealing and/or overturning a stat change?

 

[moondog]

No interception, hit the ground but there was a fumble in the end zone that Miami should have been awarded.

Only if the Ref had decided to ignore the rulebook.

 

[PlayaHata]

Apparently the Dolphins are challenging the ruling saying it wasn't an INT. Very interesting to see how this shakes out.

Is there any precedence for appealing and/or overturning a stat change?

I saw this as it happened as well and was intrigued because I also started Henne due to Peyton's bye. The replays clearly showed it was an incomplete pass, but the referee clearly ruled INT. I don't remember where the next play (PIT kneel down) was run from, but I think it was from the spot that the "INT" was made. The Dolphins couldn't have challenged the pay during the game (they wouldn't have anyway because it was 4th down) because the play happened in the last 2 minutes, and all of those challenges have to be called by the replay official.I've never heard of any precedent for a team appealing a stat change.

 

[southeastjerome]

This is crazy. This has effected me in 2 outta 3 of my leagues.

In one league I won by two and now it's a tie (played the Steelers). In the other I went from losing by one to winning (have the Steelers).

Apparently the Dolphins are challenging the ruling saying it wasn't an INT. Very interesting to see how this shakes out.

Where did you hear or read that? Linkage?

 

[Ladsud]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5738567

Ive never heard of a stat change being reversed. The play was called an INT on the field and the next play was ran with no review. Would this not set a bad precedent for the NFL?

After watching the replay the ball left Hennes hands before he even pulled his arm back to throw the ball. Correct call would be a forced fumble and a recovery by the steelers.

 

[southeastjerome]

Found better video. Watch the replay at the end.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlig...ins-on-4th-down

 

[Donnybrook]

Since it was in the last two minutes there was no need for a Miami challenge. Maybe the upstairs Replay officials were taking pity on Gene Steretore by not making the worst Ref in the league look any worse.

 

[RUSF18]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5738567

Ive never heard of a stat change being reversed. The play was called an INT on the field and the next play was ran with no review. Would this not set a bad precedent for the NFL?

After watching the replay the ball left Hennes hands before he even pulled his arm back to throw the ball. Correct call would be a forced fumble and a recovery by the steelers.

And the AP article in that link is 100% wrong. The play wasn't ruled an incomplete pass on the field. It was clearly announced by the mic'd up ref that the ruling was an INT.

 

[kinghill]

any news on this?

 

[Mr. Retukes]

any news on this?

For fantasy purposes, it will stay as an interception. Almost every site makes their games final by Thursday, and the NFL won't make a ruling on this appeal for at least a week.

 

[King of the Wolfies]

i could have swore that during the telecast, the announcers said that it had been changed from an INT to incomplete.

 

[johnnyboy8102]

Watch the replay. The play was clearly and incompletion.

Harrison got a gift there.

Got a link to the replay?

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlig...ins-on-4th-downIt clearly hits the ground at the 27 second mark in the clip.

 

[johnnyboy8102]

This is crazy. This has effected me in 2 outta 3 of my leagues.

In one league I won by two and now it's a tie (played the Steelers). In the other I went from losing by one to winning (have the Steelers).

Apparently the Dolphins are challenging the ruling saying it wasn't an INT. Very interesting to see how this shakes out.

Where did you hear or read that? Linkage?

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5738567

 

[Catbird]

NFL HAS to leave the play as ruled on the field - even though blatantly wrong. What can of worms do they open if teams can come forward after the game and ask for wrongly called TDs to be reversed - and winning teams changed to losers a few days later? What if it wasn't the last play and how would you change what happened after the wrong call?

I think they will wait until after this weeks games to announce that a final call on the field always stands, hoping by games between to render it a more distant and less important (except to FF players) issue. They can't like publicly upholding a terrible call watched by millions and costing unforgiving FF owners victories across the country.

 

[shakaka]

Now if only they reverse that Shiancoe TD I'll get a win lol. The week 1 Megatron TD too while they're at it, one more win.

 

[LTF]

Correct call is an empty hand sack/fumble recovered by Steelers.

The ball had already been dislodged when Henne's arm was still cocked back. Doesn't matter if the ball ended up going forward or not, ala Kurt Warner's fumble at the end of SB XLIII. The ball was already out.

 

[shadyridr]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5738567

Ive never heard of a stat change being reversed. The play was called an INT on the field and the next play was ran with no review. Would this not set a bad precedent for the NFL?

After watching the replay the ball left Hennes hands before he even pulled his arm back to throw the ball. Correct call would be a forced fumble and a recovery by the steelers.

You really want them to review semantics? The play was ruled an INT on the field and the scorer shouldnt be able to change that.

 

[Steelfan7]

Correct call is an empty hand sack/fumble recovered by Steelers. The ball had already been dislodged when Henne's arm was still cocked back. Doesn't matter if the ball ended up going forward or not, ala Kurt Warner's fumble at the end of SB XLIII. The ball was already out.

 

[Bri]

It was RULED an incompletion according to the box score and the Gamebook.

On the field it was ruled an INT.

I know that. But the official scorer immediately marked it down as an incomplete pass, seemingly ignoring the ruling by the referee. That's why I don't think the NFL will change the stat.When asked, the NFL will simply claim that the referee inadvertently signaled "INT" when he meant to signal "incompletion". And that will be that.The NFL rarely changes stats to the "wrong" call.

Just to clear something up- There's a minimum of ten people scoring stats at a game as it is going on. There's a supervisor of sorts that goes with the majority.There's no "official scorer" and if 6 guys ruled incomplete and four INT then it would be scored as such.Also, this is a much harder job than you'd imagine. Filling in tackle by 56 and 55, 10 yard run right by 32 to the 50yl 1st down at 3:30 left is easy. Rushing to do it before the next snap is a challenge and by the fourth quarter you are either in a rhythm or just hoping the game will end without you making a mistake.Sidenote- seeing every number for each snap is next to impossible. It's not like they're posing or their helmets are so distinguishable from everyone else's. This is why there's several people that have an issue with the accuracy of Focus' snaps stats, but at the same time if the effort is there, they are probably reasonably accurate so you just sorta roll with it.ETA Saw another post/reply-The games are reviewed and redone by guys in the very same manner only now they have the opportunity to pause it. They could even stop and have a discussion with the supervisor if need be. I would have an issue with anyone saying that a CHANGED stat days later is inaccurate. I mean you could grab any ten FBGs and do the same thing. You gonna tell me they're wrong? It just doesn't make sense given the process.

 

[da_budman]

If the ref makes a call then that is that. You vant overturn a call that was made on the field. The stats that get changed are the ones that the refs have not officially ruled on I.E. who gets credit for a a sack, who gets what yardage on a complicated play, close forward/backward lateral calls when there is no turnover involved. To use stat changes to over-rule a call on the field opens up a horrible can of worms that I'm sure the NFL doesnt want to do,

 

[Rovers]

If the ref makes a call then that is that. You vant overturn a call that was made on the field. The stats that get changed are the ones that the refs have not officially ruled on I.E. who gets credit for a a sack, who gets what yardage on a complicated play, close forward/backward lateral calls when there is no turnover involved. To use stat changes to over-rule a call on the field opens up a horrible can of worms that I'm sure the NFL doesnt want to do,

Disagree. The booth should have automatically reviewed the call being in the last 2 minutes of the game. Because the game was over, they neglected to do so. Fault lies with the booth officials.