PIT vs. NYJ *the Offensive lines* thread (1 Viewer)

[pittstownkiller]

As the secondary WW picks to Ridley and Torain, or that they are just what's left in deeper leagues, Powell and Redman are starting to surface with more frequency. Both back-ups are in vicarious positions on their respective depth-charts and are only getting serious notice because of the struggles of their team's starting RB's. Both these players have individual threads, and there are even some threads that compare them head-to-head, but the common link in all those threads are the viability of their team's running game, over-all, because of the blocking (run and pass) of the respective O-lines. So what gives; whose O-line is the real deal, whose may have been suffering because their starting RB's are just not that good, or whose is just not that good (scheme/injuries) period. My .02 is that S. Greene is not very good and neither is Sanchez; PIT however has a good offense, and while I think Mendenhall>Greene, he has never been able to quite put away that cloud of doubt that follows him. As for the individual backs, Redman is at least playing and producing while the Powell pick, if it pans out, would make you look like a FF guru, especially in smaller dynasty leagues. As for their O-lines, that is above my pay-grade and I really couldn't tell which one is better or why; can you?

 

[Godsbrother]

The Jets have Nick Mangold returning. The Steelers at some point will have Legursky and Scott returning. I'll take Mangold...

 

[pittstownkiller]

The Jets have Nick Mangold returning. The Steelers at some point will have Legursky and Scott returning. I'll take Mangold...

Excuse me for my ignorance but you're stating that when Mangold returns, the Jets will have the stronger O-line; can I assume then their RB issues will stabilize and Powell, a player who I believe hasn't even suited-up this year, might not even make an appearance?

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

The Jets have Nick Mangold returning. The Steelers at some point will have Legursky and Scott returning. I'll take Mangold...

according to tomlin presser today both Legursky and Scott will be back this sunday.

 

[Godsbrother]

The Jets have Nick Mangold returning. The Steelers at some point will have Legursky and Scott returning. I'll take Mangold...

according to tomlin presser today both Legursky and Scott will be back this sunday.

I know that. I would rather have Mangold's mom than Legurksy AND Scott.

 

[Godsbrother]

The Jets have Nick Mangold returning. The Steelers at some point will have Legursky and Scott returning. I'll take Mangold...

Excuse me for my ignorance but you're stating that when Mangold returns, the Jets will have the stronger O-line; can I assume then their RB issues will stabilize and Powell, a player who I believe hasn't even suited-up this year, might not even make an appearance?

I dunno the Jets running game will stabilize when Mangold will return because I've never been a fan of Greene and not sure if LT has anything left in the tank. If the Jets running game stinks when Mangold returns I think it is more of a function of bad backs and ineffective passing game than it is the o-line.In the Steelers case the line right now is inept at both run blocking and pass blocking. It might get better if they can get healthy but the only real talent they have on the o-line is Pouncey.

 

[pittstownkiller]

Is the consensus here that the Jets suffer more from mediocre RB's, while the Steelers have decent RB's but truly suffer from poor O-line play? If this is the case, is Redman the better back here because he is putting up the best numbers in PIT (along with Moore, both are outshining Mendenhall). I watched Sanchez get knocked around by Baltimore; it doesn't seem that the NYJ's line is that good either - does Mangold really bring that much? I have a hard time with Powell not even suiting up yet.

 

[reprisal]

Is the consensus here that the Jets suffer more from mediocre RB's, while the Steelers have decent RB's but truly suffer from poor O-line play? If this is the case, is Redman the better back here because he is putting up the best numbers in PIT (along with Moore, both are outshining Mendenhall). I watched Sanchez get knocked around by Baltimore; it doesn't seem that the NYJ's line is that good either - does Mangold really bring that much? I have a hard time with Powell not even suiting up yet.

The Jets seem to have no one on the active roster with even a basic understanding of how to play the center position...its not the most physically demanding position on the line but its pretty important for everyone else to do their jobs.

 

[pittstownkiller]

Is the consensus here that the Jets suffer more from mediocre RB's, while the Steelers have decent RB's but truly suffer from poor O-line play? If this is the case, is Redman the better back here because he is putting up the best numbers in PIT (along with Moore, both are outshining Mendenhall). I watched Sanchez get knocked around by Baltimore; it doesn't seem that the NYJ's line is that good either - does Mangold really bring that much? I have a hard time with Powell not even suiting up yet.

The Jets seem to have no one on the active roster with even a basic understanding of how to play the center position...its not the most physically demanding position on the line but its pretty important for everyone else to do their jobs.

I'll give you this at face value but wouldn't a Mangold centered line bid well for all NYJ RB's, Greene and McKnight included; how does Powell show his stuff if he isn't even suiting-up on Sunday. I don't follow college football, so I don't know what kind of prospect Powell is/was but unless Rex Ryan believes in him so much and just wants to keep him under wraps to "spring" him on the league late season, it would seem to me that they already should of been getting him some snaps to bring him up to NFL speed. I would have to believe that Ryan really believes all their trouble rest with the O-line and doesn't see Powell as the next off the bench. I am buying the Powell Kool-AidTM but I am not pretending that it is Courvoisier either.

 

[Young 8]

Powell and Redman are starting to surface with more frequency.

lol, really ?

Redman 22 att, 107 yds, 1 td

Powell ZERO snaps

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Is the consensus here that the Jets suffer more from mediocre RB's, while the Steelers have decent RB's but truly suffer from poor O-line play? If this is the case, is Redman the better back here because he is putting up the best numbers in PIT (along with Moore, both are outshining Mendenhall). I watched Sanchez get knocked around by Baltimore; it doesn't seem that the NYJ's line is that good either - does Mangold really bring that much? I have a hard time with Powell not even suiting up yet.

That also had a lot to do with Baltimore's game plan of attacking up the middle due to Mangold's absense combined with the fact that the Ravens have some serious talent in the front 7. Otherwise the Jets pass protection hasn't been all that bad this season. Their run blocking has been bad all season, though. Mangold will make it better of course but if Moore doesn't get healthy and if Hunter continues to struggle, it will not automatically turn around just due to Mangold. Ferguson has always been a far better pass blocker tha run blocker as well.

 

[LittlePhatty]

Powell and Redman are starting to surface with more frequency.

lol, really ?Redman 22 att, 107 yds, 1 td

Powell ZERO snaps

I'm pretty sure he meant "surfacing in conversation", not game action.Powell was talked about as a deep sleeper even before the season started.

I'm not sold at all though. I think Rex Ryan will stick with Greene and L.T. all year.

 

[Wadsworth]

Powell and Redman are starting to surface with more frequency.

lol, really ?

Redman 22 att, 107 yds, 1 td

Powell ZERO snaps

The Powell love fest is in full swing already this week.

 

[pittstownkiller]

Powell and Redman are starting to surface with more frequency.

lol, really ?

Redman 22 att, 107 yds, 1 td

Powell ZERO snaps

Yes, I was referring to WW acquisitions not actual playing time; I have stated that I believe Powell hasn't even suited for a game yet. Shout-outs to Wadsworth and LittlePhatty for having my back. The gist of what Young 8 is saying is correct though: What makes anyone think that Powell is going to go from where he is at, to fantasy relevant, with so many in front of him; lack of O-line strength just hinders his progression, IMO.

 

[kentric]

The Jets O-line wasn't doing much in the run game even before Mangold was hurt. Most of the Jet RB issues can be attributed to their O-line. I'm not a big proponent of Greene, but unless he has a hole to work with (he can't break tackles and make something out of nothing like Ahmad Bradshaw), he's not going to get much in the YPC department.

 

[pittstownkiller]

The Jets O-line wasn't doing much in the run game even before Mangold was hurt. Most of the Jet RB issues can be attributed to their O-line. I'm not a big proponent of Greene, but unless he has a hole to work with (he can't break tackles and make something out of nothing like Ahmad Bradshaw), he's not going to get much in the YPC department.

So to extrapolate your view, the Jets line stinks and no running back is going to have success unless he is a superior talent; some thing we can safely assume Powell probably isn't because we haven't seem him yet? PIT, on the other hand, has a RB that is producing while running behind the same line that the starting back is struggling behind; wouldn't that clearly say that Redman is the pick here?

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

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ENCOURAGING SIGNS ON THE O-LINE Despite all the bad news on the injury front, there is some good news. The Steelers are hoping that LT Jonathan Scott (ankle) and RG Doug Legursky (shoulder) are back this week after sitting out the loss in Houston. The return of Scott is especially reason for optimism. Scott may never be a Pro Bowler, and he probably doesn't figure in the Steelers' long-range plans at left tackle. But in games he's started since Max Starks went down with a neck injury last year, the Steelers are 11-3.



also from BCT





Max Starks is back with the Steelers.



On Tuesday, the veteran tackle visited team headquarters, took a physical and agreed to sign a one-year contract.



Starks, who was cut at the start of training camp, signed his new contract this morning as the Steelers cope with injuries on the offensive line.



Starks suffered a season-ending neck injury in the seventh game last year and was replaced in the starting lineup by Jonathan Scott. That neck injury and the $5.14 million salary he was due this year were reasons why Starks was cut. The injury hampered Starks' off-season conditioning program. He was overweight and out of shape.



Scott didn't play Sunday in Houston after suffering a sprained ankle in a Sept. 25 game in Indianapolis. He may return Sunday for the Steelers' game against Tennessee.



Last week, Starks worked out with the Minnesota Vikings but wasn't signed.



To make room for Starks on their 53-man roster, the Steelers cut tackle Chris Scott.





also fwiw Nick Mangold returned to practice per NFLN, though it was in a 'limited fashion'.

 

[pittstownkiller]

I might not be the most astute discerner of NFL talent but individual o-lines aside, I feel that PIT is the better team with the better offense; that alone has got to make the fit of Redman>Powell.