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Player Spotlight: Marques Colston (1 Viewer)

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2009 Player Spotlight Series

One of Footballguys best assets is our message board community. The Shark Pool is, in our view, the best place on the internet to discuss, debate and analyze all things fantasy football. In what's become an annual tradition, the Player Spotlight series is a key part of the preseason efforts. As many of you know, we consider the Player Spotlight threads the permanent record for analyzing the fantasy prospects of the player in question. Last year, we published more than 120 offensive spotlights covering the vast majority of expected skill position starters. This year will be no different.

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Thread Topic: Marques Colston, WR, New Orleans Saints

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This guy's either going to shoot up my draft board in August, or come crashing down. No projection made right now can be even somewhat reliable. Microfracture surgery is a tricky beast, one in which some come away better than ever, others take time to adjust, and others are never the same. We won't know which one Colston is until at least August.

 
I feel like the FF community forgets just how young Colston is, and how his production completely bucks the trend the young WR learning curve. Having a QB like Drew Brees doesn't hurt. When I see someone project 80 catches, 1100 yards, 8 TDs, I just don't understand. Are injuries being accounted for (I assume not because they give him 80 catches)? He's entering his 4th year, and if we look at his previous numbers there is no reason this guy should not continue to get better (barring injury of course):

Rookie year: 14 games played, 70, 1038, 8

Year 2: 16 GP, 98, 1202, 11

*Year 3: 11 GP, 47, 760, 5

*But, this year's stats are misleading. Let's break down his 2008:

- If we assume he came back healthy in Week 8, then in the remaining 9 games, he had 44 catches, 734 yards, and 5 TDs, or on a per game level: 4.9 catches, 81.5 yards, .56 TDs. These numbers are just okay, but I'm a firm believer that Colston wasn't really back up to speed until around week 13.

- If we assume he was healthy from week 13 onward, over those last five games, he produced: 31 catches, 438 yards, and 4 TDs, or 5.17 catches, 87.6 yards, and .8 TDs per game. What's arguably more important than those numbers, and the reason I don't think he was "healthy" until Week 13, is because his targets shot up to 12, 8, 12, 12, and 12 respectively over those last 5 games. If Brees is targeting him like that (like he was for almost the entire 2007 and 2nd half of 2006 seasons), then I'll use that as my barometer for what to expect for 2009.

I think Colston moves into the elite class of WRs this year. The NO passing game is too good for a guy this talented and physically gifted to not continue the upward progression and development path he was on over his career thus far. The writing is on the wall, similar to Andre Johnson entering last year's draft. You could get AJ in the 3rd last year, much like you can get Colston this year. Everyone who takes Roddy White, Greg Jennings, Marshall, Welker, etc. over him will be very disappointed. I'll give him:

101 catches, 1400 yards, 12 TDs.

 
I feel like the FF community forgets just how young Colston is, and how his production completely bucks the trend the young WR learning curve. Having a QB like Drew Brees doesn't hurt. When I see someone project 80 catches, 1100 yards, 8 TDs, I just don't understand. Are injuries being accounted for (I assume not because they give him 80 catches)? He's entering his 4th year, and if we look at his previous numbers there is no reason this guy should not continue to get better (barring injury of course):Rookie year: 14 games played, 70, 1038, 8Year 2: 16 GP, 98, 1202, 11*Year 3: 11 GP, 47, 760, 5*But, this year's stats are misleading. Let's break down his 2008:- If we assume he came back healthy in Week 8, then in the remaining 9 games, he had 44 catches, 734 yards, and 5 TDs, or on a per game level: 4.9 catches, 81.5 yards, .56 TDs. These numbers are just okay, but I'm a firm believer that Colston wasn't really back up to speed until around week 13. - If we assume he was healthy from week 13 onward, over those last five games, he produced: 31 catches, 438 yards, and 4 TDs, or 5.17 catches, 87.6 yards, and .8 TDs per game. What's arguably more important than those numbers, and the reason I don't think he was "healthy" until Week 13, is because his targets shot up to 12, 8, 12, 12, and 12 respectively over those last 5 games. If Brees is targeting him like that (like he was for almost the entire 2007 and 2nd half of 2006 seasons), then I'll use that as my barometer for what to expect for 2009. I think Colston moves into the elite class of WRs this year. The NO passing game is too good for a guy this talented and physically gifted to not continue the upward progression and development path he was on over his career thus far. The writing is on the wall, similar to Andre Johnson entering last year's draft. You could get AJ in the 3rd last year, much like you can get Colston this year. Everyone who takes Roddy White, Greg Jennings, Marshall, Welker, etc. over him will be very disappointed. I'll give him:101 catches, 1400 yards, 12 TDs.
:rolleyes: i will be targeting Colston in every league. the guy is a young beast in an offense that throws a ton. and the thrower is Drew Brees. no brainer.
 
I feel like the FF community forgets just how young Colston is, and how his production completely bucks the trend the young WR learning curve. Having a QB like Drew Brees doesn't hurt. When I see someone project 80 catches, 1100 yards, 8 TDs, I just don't understand. Are injuries being accounted for (I assume not because they give him 80 catches)? He's entering his 4th year, and if we look at his previous numbers there is no reason this guy should not continue to get better (barring injury of course):Rookie year: 14 games played, 70, 1038, 8Year 2: 16 GP, 98, 1202, 11*Year 3: 11 GP, 47, 760, 5*But, this year's stats are misleading. Let's break down his 2008:- If we assume he came back healthy in Week 8, then in the remaining 9 games, he had 44 catches, 734 yards, and 5 TDs, or on a per game level: 4.9 catches, 81.5 yards, .56 TDs. These numbers are just okay, but I'm a firm believer that Colston wasn't really back up to speed until around week 13. - If we assume he was healthy from week 13 onward, over those last five games, he produced: 31 catches, 438 yards, and 4 TDs, or 5.17 catches, 87.6 yards, and .8 TDs per game. What's arguably more important than those numbers, and the reason I don't think he was "healthy" until Week 13, is because his targets shot up to 12, 8, 12, 12, and 12 respectively over those last 5 games. If Brees is targeting him like that (like he was for almost the entire 2007 and 2nd half of 2006 seasons), then I'll use that as my barometer for what to expect for 2009. I think Colston moves into the elite class of WRs this year. The NO passing game is too good for a guy this talented and physically gifted to not continue the upward progression and development path he was on over his career thus far. The writing is on the wall, similar to Andre Johnson entering last year's draft. You could get AJ in the 3rd last year, much like you can get Colston this year. Everyone who takes Roddy White, Greg Jennings, Marshall, Welker, etc. over him will be very disappointed. I'll give him:101 catches, 1400 yards, 12 TDs.
:goodposting: i will be targeting Colston in every league. the guy is a young beast in an offense that throws a ton. and the thrower is Drew Brees. no brainer.
I thought Andre went in the 5-8 range last yr for WR's (sounds like Colston will go lower than that this yr).I'm done underestimating Jennings.Nitpicking aside I'm sold on taking him over those other guys.
 
I think you have to monitor him for the remainder of the offseason and maybe temper your expectations ...we're talking about microfracture knee surgery. Maybe to early to tell?

 
Think he will get hurt again this year: 58 for 875 and 6 tds
The guy may be young but he is always injured it seems and this microfacture has me worried as that could be career threatening. We won't know for sure until he starts playing again, but even if he is healthy to start the season I am doubtful that he will play all 16 games.
 
If he stays healthy he will be top 6. that is a big if right now.

I don't think one can offer meaningful projections based on injuries so, 83-1240-11

 
Colston should get into the top 10 thjis year with a 110-1600-15 ceiling.
Heck, I think his celing is close to 120-1700-25. They throw the ball a crapload in NO, and if Brees even sniffs 5000 and his #1 is healthy the whole time.....makes me shudder. Who knows, the D could be junk again and they play from behind. Now, that's not a likely celining, but if you want to say ceiling, his situation, QB, talent, etc...his "ceiling" is freakin incredible.Now his real projections should be more in the 90-1350-12 range. Or thats where he goes for me. Last year I took him in round 2 (3-4-5 was AJ-Bowe-SSmith so it didnt hurt too bad) and this year I think I can get him round 3 for the same production I expected last season. Microfracture surgery has different categories, my buddy is a doctor and the type Colston had is supposedly really easy to recover from. There are different places in the knee it can be had, different cartilages etc...
 
I'm not making any projections, but to add to the post that chronicled the end of his season, it is broken down like this:

Since week 12:

Week 12 vs. Green Bay: 70 yards, 1 TD (on one catch)

Week 13 vs. Tampa bay: 6 for 106

Week 14 vs. Atlanta: 3 for 26 (though had 7 for 140 against them in week 10)

Week 15 vs. Chicago: 6 for 84 and 1 TD

Week 16 vs. Detroit: 9 for 99 and 2 TD's

Week 17 vs. Carolina: 7 for 123 and 1 TD

That's pretty damn good for a wildly inconsistent FF position.

 
I enjoy watching the Saints and their awesome offense. But, I believe that the number of pass attempts and the passing yardage is in for a significant decline in 09. The first reason is simply that they passed 635 times last year for 5,069 yards. That is a very high number of attempts and yards. Simple math suggests a decline, but there is also the fact that both Reggie Bush and Deuce McAlister missed a lot of time last year. Deuce is gone, but they still have Bush and Thomas and they will run the ball and pass to their backs more than they did a year ago.

I know that it is going to be difficult to believe, but their defense should be much better this year. That alone will account for less pass attempts. I think that their team will be improved and their offense will not be needed as badly as the past few years. In addition to all these reasons, the Saints have several solid WRs, TEs, and pass catching RBs. Their simply will be more distribution this year.

Lance Moore developed into a solid WR and an excellent red zone target a year ago and he is expected back in training camp. Jeremy Shockey did not catch a TD pass in all of 08 and he will this year. Henderson was resigned and he is an excellent down field target that is good for a few long TDs. Robert Meacham showed a little and then there is Adrian Arrington, who excelled in preseason 08.

I expect less of a passing pie in 09 and will be surprised to see Colston increase his targets. All of this doesn't even include the fact that he has missed seven games in his short three year career and is coming off micro-fracture surgery in January and he has a current ADP of WR10 and 27 overall.

Marcus Colston 112 targets 66 catches 858 yards 13.0 ypc 7 TDs

 
Colston should get into the top 10 thjis year with a 110-1600-15 ceiling.
Heck, I think his celing is close to 120-1700-25.
why stop there? I'm thinking 150-2000-40. :goodposting: Colston should be fine and is WR #1 but they spread it around a LOT last year and aren't about to change that. and obviously Brees is not going to sniff 5000. you just don't do that 2 yrs in a row. that and too many targets mean good but not elite WR. would be OK with him as my top WR but prefer others, even discounting the very top guys.
 
Colston should get into the top 10 thjis year with a 110-1600-15 ceiling.
Heck, I think his celing is close to 120-1700-25.
why stop there? I'm thinking 150-2000-40. :confused: Colston should be fine and is WR #1 but they spread it around a LOT last year and aren't about to change that. and obviously Brees is not going to sniff 5000. you just don't do that 2 yrs in a row. that and too many targets mean good but not elite WR. would be OK with him as my top WR but prefer others, even discounting the very top guys.
Colston was hurt last year. Look at the game logs for when he was healthy. If somebody else goes down like he did last year, then he gets his targets plus somebody else's. With a QB that throws 600+ times, a CEILING like that is within reason. Not likely, but that's why they call it a ceiling and not a projection.
 
In the final 8 games after his injury and bye week, Colston put up 42-678-5

Over a 16 game span that would be 84-1356-10 TD. I think its certainly reasonable for him to approach those numbers this year.

Prediction: 90-1305-10

 
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Hmmmm, I like what I am hearing..you got colston, steve smith, jennings, barber, boldin avail, which 2 do you take, why?

 
Hmmmm, I like what I am hearing..you got colston, steve smith, jennings, barber, boldin avail, which 2 do you take, why?
Normally I say Steve Smith...but I'd rather wait a week and see how the shoulder is. So with him not counting for now...Jennings:#1WR, pass first team, gets NFC West teams, DET twice, good QBColston:reasons in thread
 
What I find interesting is FBG seems to have him ranked below his ADP right now - whereas I have heard a lot of folks on here projecting him above his ADP. I guess it comes down to the injury situation. If preseason and training camp go fine - I am guessing he moves up the FBG rankings.

I think after the big 4 WRs, the only other guy I'd choose before him is Jennings. Steve Smith might have been there - but he is already having an injury question - so that drops him slightly.

 
There are different MF injuries. Some are more severe than others. Colston's is the in the less severe category. I'm not too concerned about the injury. I'm still going to pay attention this preseason before I pull the trigger but I'm very high on him this year.

If he plays 16 games I think the guy is good for 1500 and 12. I'm not kidding. Brees may spread the ball out when Colston is not in there, he zones in on this guy when he is...

 
What I find interesting is FBG seems to have him ranked below his ADP right now - whereas I have heard a lot of folks on here projecting him above his ADP. I guess it comes down to the injury situation. If preseason and training camp go fine - I am guessing he moves up the FBG rankings.
Reports say Colston has looked beastly so far in camp.
 
What I find interesting is FBG seems to have him ranked below his ADP right now - whereas I have heard a lot of folks on here projecting him above his ADP. I guess it comes down to the injury situation. If preseason and training camp go fine - I am guessing he moves up the FBG rankings.
Reports say Colston has looked beastly so far in camp.
How so? Just looks good or has been getting lots of targets?
 
Would anyone more Crabby and 2 1st rounders in 2010 for Colston? If not for his injuries, I wouldn't be debating the trade for even a second. :goodposting:

 
What I find interesting is FBG seems to have him ranked below his ADP right now - whereas I have heard a lot of folks on here projecting him above his ADP. I guess it comes down to the injury situation. If preseason and training camp go fine - I am guessing he moves up the FBG rankings.
Reports say Colston has looked beastly so far in camp.
How so? Just looks good or has been getting lots of targets?
From his yahoo News and Notes pageAug 9 WR Marques Colston is off to a healthy start this year. The 6-foot-4 receiver routinely rises above smaller cornerbacks to make difficult catches, drawing oohs and ahs from fans who take in training camp workouts. Colston had a big day in the Black & Gold Scrimmage on Saturday, catching seven passes for 63 yards -- including grabs of 22 and 18 yards -- and a 1-yard TD from backup quarterback Mark Brunell.

I've been reading a lot of things similar to this. It could just be kool-aid but I'm drinking it.

 
Masked Vigilante said:
Stryker said:
What I find interesting is FBG seems to have him ranked below his ADP right now - whereas I have heard a lot of folks on here projecting him above his ADP. I guess it comes down to the injury situation. If preseason and training camp go fine - I am guessing he moves up the FBG rankings.
Reports say Colston has looked beastly so far in camp.
How so? Just looks good or has been getting lots of targets?
From his yahoo News and Notes pageAug 9 WR Marques Colston is off to a healthy start this year. The 6-foot-4 receiver routinely rises above smaller cornerbacks to make difficult catches, drawing oohs and ahs from fans who take in training camp workouts. Colston had a big day in the Black & Gold Scrimmage on Saturday, catching seven passes for 63 yards -- including grabs of 22 and 18 yards -- and a 1-yard TD from backup quarterback Mark Brunell.

I've been reading a lot of things similar to this. It could just be kool-aid but I'm drinking it.
Awesome.. how did I miss this?
 
Drank the cool aid in the 3rd round, gotta hop on the bandwagon.

90 receptions

1350 yards

10 TDs

here's to hoping Brees tosses 5k and 40 TDs. Don't even care if he spreads the wealth, I think Colston can have those numbers anyway. JMO, but the guy has been getting healthier and healthier, and is one of the better more physical WRs in the league.

 
Realisticly.....

85/1400/14....but can easily outp erform that considering he has a GREAT QB and they pass more then anyone!

Injuries happen....to anyone!

How can u THINK someone will get hurt, can u pick the mega millions for me since u know all, :banned:

I drafted Colston as the 3rd WR of the board, laff all u want, I see somethin in this cat this year...and every year since I draft him in my big league no matter where I have to take him to get him!

And his microfracture surgery was to fix a microscopic hole in his kneecap, not as major as everyone thinks, maybe thats why it was not a big deal!

 
Don't even care if he spreads the wealth, I think Colston can have those numbers anyway.
Don't want to rain on your parade, but in the beginning of the Saints-Raiders game the other day, Brees' first 15 passes did not involve a target to Colston.
 
There are just so many weapons in NO it sets up the perfect frustrating scenario with Marques. He is going to have some monster weeks and then some that leave you scratching your head like on Sat. I think SSmith is going to have a way better year than him.

 
For those who didn't see the recent article:

August 30, 2009

Colston Determined to Regain Form

By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

METAIRIE, La. (AP) — As unhappy as Marques Colston may be with his performance last season, he has absolutely nothing to prove to his quarterback, Drew Brees.

“I feel like I could throw it just about anywhere with him and he has a chance to catch it,” Brees said of Colston, a receiver for New Orleans. “He’s a phenomenal athlete, certainly a guy I’ve got a lot of confidence in. So there’s a lot of places I can throw the ball and I know it’s giving him a chance — and nobody else.”

Colston, a big target at 6 feet 4 inches and 225 pounds, missed five games last season with a broken thumb. When he returned, he initially wore a brace and had trouble regaining the form of his first two years in the N.F.L., when he led New Orleans in receiving.

“It’s tough to play in this league when you’re healthy, and then you add an injury into the mix, it’s a domino effect,” Colston said. “I missed time with the thumb, then practice with Drew, and the timing was off.”

At midseason, Colston had five catches for 82 yards. During the final eight games of 2008, he began to re-emerge as one of Brees’s prime receivers, catching 42 passes for 678 yards and 5 touchdowns.

Still, his 760 yards receiving for the season represented a substantial decline from 2006 (1,038 yards) and 2007 (1,202 yards). Then in January, Colston had microfracture surgery to close a small hole in his left kneecap.

He spent the off-season training in Los Angeles at a workout facility owned by Saints tight end Billy Miller, and he worked in some time to train with Brees, who has a home in San Diego.

“This whole off-season has been a chance for me to try and redeem myself for what I feel like was a disappointing season last year,” Colston said, adding that he believes he is in his best shape since entering the N.F.L.

He has been dominant in training camp, impressing defensive backs who mistakenly think they have him covered.

“Being that he’s big, strong and fast, and he’s got hands that are amazing, even though you’re in perfect coverage sometimes, he’ll pull it in still,” Saints safety Usama Young said.

Colston has the build of a small forward in basketball. He even uses basketball terminology to describe the way he creates space to make catches while being covered by defensive backs whom he usually cannot outrun.

“I’m not a guy that’s really going to separate completely from a defensive back,” he said. “I kind of like my body being on him, being able to box him out and make a play. It’s all about body position and using the tools I was blessed with — my size and my ability to jump. If I get my body in the right position, I give myself a better chance to come down with the ball.”

Incidentally, Colston sees himself as a “pretty good” recreational basketball player — which is backed up by Brees — though he never played for his high school or college team.

His exceptional jumping ability was on display during a practice earlier this month, when he soared over converging defenders to grab a pass Brees threw at about the height of a crossbar. The catch, coming as the clock hit zero to end a two-minute drill, was spectacular enough to set off a celebration by the offense.

Of course, Colston’s height makes him a natural to pull down high throws. Yet the lanky receiver also has shown an ability to contort himself to grab passes thrown low or behind him.

Colston has sought to become more of a difference-maker even when he is not getting the ball. Improving his run blocking was among his priorities this season, he said, and he took particular pride in making a key block that helped spring Mike Bell for a 46-yard touchdown run during a preseason game at Houston.

If Colston struggles with anything, it is all the attention he gets as the star receiver on an offense that has ranked among the N.F.L.’s most productive the past three seasons.

He was not heavily recruited out of high school, when he weighed only 180 pounds. He played at Hofstra and was one of the last picks of the 2006 draft, meaning he was not a lock to make the Saints’ regular-season roster as a rookie.

Even as his importance to the Saints skyrocketed, he largely avoided appearing in commercials or doing anything to draw attention to himself or capitalize on his growing fame.

He does not celebrate after touchdowns and does not possess the type of voice or laugh that stands out above locker-room chatter, though he does smile often and has no trouble making small talk.

“It still is an adjustment for me, because if I had it my way, I’d still be producing the way I am, but be low-profile,” Colston said.

Colston will make exceptions for public-service announcements, though, including one running on local radio now in which he encourages fans to give blood.

“I feel like, for whatever reason, people will listen if I speak. So if I do anything, I try to make sure it’s positive,” Colston said. “I do enjoy helping people.”
 
Don't even care if he spreads the wealth, I think Colston can have those numbers anyway.
Don't want to rain on your parade, but in the beginning of the Saints-Raiders game the other day, Brees' first 15 passes did not involve a target to Colston.
I didnt get to see the game. Was Colston in that entire time? Was he being covered by Asomugha?
READ THE REPORTS OR LISTEN TO THE COACHES SHOW....MOORE FIRST GAME PLAY SINCE THE INJURY....THEY WERE TRYING TO SATURATE HIM WITH PASSES....AND THEY DID!REST ASSURE THEY WANT TO WIN, COLSTON IS THE BEST WR ON THAT TEAM...BAR NONE!RAIN ON THAT!SORRY FOR THE CAPS, BUT I GO BNF BETWEEN THIS AND MY WORK PROGRAM THAT REQUIRES ALL CAPS SOMETIMES!
 
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He has basically only played 2 full seasons, just 32 starts. He has posted 215 rec, 3000 rec yds and 24 td's. I would think that fully healthy in the Saints offense, he has a legit chance and 100/1500/12. Those are top 3 WR #'s.

 

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