Player Spotlight: Marvin Harrison (1 Viewer)

[Jason Wood]

2008 Player Spotlight Series

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Thread Topic: Marvin Harrison, WR, Indianapolis Colts

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[Katism]

Tony Dungy says he'll be fine.

70-1000-8 as a floor.

 

[twitch]

Im not quite ready to project the #s. But Marvin Harrison's outlook for '08 is about the most interesting, and one of the more pivotal forecasts of any player in FF. His draft position should significantly slide. But will his value? If he bounces back similarly to what Moss did last year, he could be the steal in the mid-rounds that puts many a team over the top. Is he done? Will he return to form? Cant wait to find out.

 

[Blackjacks]

2 reasons I feel fairly confident in Harrison coming back healthy this year and putting up good #'s

1) The Colts didn't draft a wr until the sixth round this year and didn't pick up anyone in free agency. If they had doubts about Harrison I think they would have addressed the need in one of those two areas.

2) With Manning being out of training camp I think it hurts Gonzalez's progression a little by not having that extra time to grow with Manning. As where there probably isn't a qb-wr more familiar with each other than Manning-Harrison

I wouldn't expect huge #'s out of Marvin but I do expect him to be a top 20 wr breaking 1,000 yards receiving and having anywhere from 6-8 scores.

 

[Katism]

2 reasons I feel fairly confident in Harrison coming back healthy this year and putting up good #'s1) The Colts didn't draft a wr until the sixth round this year and didn't pick up anyone in free agency. If they had doubts about Harrison I think they would have addressed the need in one of those two areas.2) With Manning being out of training camp I think it hurts Gonzalez's progression a little by not having that extra time to grow with Manning. As where there probably isn't a qb-wr more familiar with each other than Manning-HarrisonI wouldn't expect huge #'s out of Marvin but I do expect him to be a top 20 wr breaking 1,000 yards receiving and having anywhere from 6-8 scores.

Exactly!Last year I passed on Moss for Ocho-Cinco and Roy Williams because of Moss being a "cancer" and his "ankle injury." I laughed at the owner who took him in the 4th round. I wasn't the one laughing at the end of the year. The same scenario will happen with Marvin Harrison. He's being drafted around Berrian, Nate Burleson, Patrick Crayton, and Issac Bruce. Where is the risk if you can get him in the 8th/9th round? If Joey Galloway can still be relevant why can't Marvin Harrison?

 

[Tanner9919]

old and fragile is a recipe for disaster..

I doubt he regains his Pro Bowl form...we'll have to wait to see what he does in preseason,but I wouldn't expect much..

30/300/2

I think Gonzalez will be a better , faster option..

 

[Yitbos69]

old and fragile is a recipe for disaster..

I doubt he regains his Pro Bowl form...we'll have to wait to see what he does in preseason,but I wouldn't expect much..

30/300/2

I think Gonzalez will be a better , faster option..

Not sure when Harrison became Fragile......1999-2006 Harrison Missed 2 games up until last year he had missed 6 games in his career. 2007 was the exception not the rule.82/1100/8

 

[BigRed]

1) The Colts didn't draft a wr until the sixth round this year and didn't pick up anyone in free agency. If they had doubts about Harrison I think they would have addressed the need in one of those two areas.

No they wouldn't. They already drafted Gonzo #1 the other year and Polian is notorious for doing very little in the FA market (I was amazed when he signed Vinatieri).

2) With Manning being out of training camp I think it hurts Gonzalez's progression a little by not having that extra time to grow with Manning. As where there probably isn't a qb-wr more familiar with each other than Manning-Harrison

True but Gonzo has had time to work with Manning too - I doubt this impacts much if at all.Re Harrison generally, true he isn't quite what he used to be even healthy, and I don't trust him to stay on the field enough to put up big numbers either, but it's hard to ignore the upside. Basically he could be anything from a wasted pick (since you won't get him TOO cheaply) to a huge bargain.

 

[Ketamine Dreams]

Old. Bad knee(s). Legal trouble in the offseason. We won't see him in the preseason. His slow 'recovery' last year sent up huge red flags. I think he's done. My guess is he'll make a go of it at some point only to fall back down again.

22/280/1

 

[twitch]

As said, Harrison doenst have much of an injury history. And the play he was injured on last year was a bit flukey. His speed may not be what it once was, so the big downfield plays not still be there in abundance. But he still runs routes as well as anyone in the game. And his hands are still some of the best we'll ever see. I expect he'll come back fully recovered with a bit of a chip on his shoulder and a great deal to prove. He's one of the greatest, most professional WRs to ever suit up. He's not going out like a bum. Imo, he's representing HUGE value this year.

 

[Gatorman]

I am on the fence with this pick. I think as his value stands now, he is a real bargain. I think as drafts get closer to in season, you will see his ADP rise, both b/c sharks like his opportunity and because those who draft in FF for fun will take him earlier than they should. I am actually higher on clark than I am Gonzales or Harrison at the moment, but I could see some magazine guppy taking harrison on name in the 5th (thinking he is getting unbelieveable value) only to see that rewarded when Harrison bounces back.

I think he is good for 70 for about 900 yards and 5 TDs, with a ceiling of 1100 yards and a floor of 500 yards.

 

[brady2moss]

70 catches

925

7-8 TDs

This year value picks such as Harrison, Rudi Johnson, and Marc Bulger could win you your league.

 

[BigRed]

This year value picks such as Harrison, Rudi Johnson, and Marc Bulger could win you your league.

Wow you team is going to really suck.

, most professional WRs to ever suit up. He's not going out like a bum.

Have always believe this but seems jury is out on that IMO. Along w/another in a long line of hangin-wit-the-thugs NFL SNAFU, I have heard from reliable sources he has blown off a charity event or 2.

 

[joffer]

i don't like situations where there's not a lot of information forth-coming. No news is not good news.

43/550/4

 

[Ketamine Dreams]

This year value picks such as Harrison, Rudi Johnson, and Marc Bulger could win you your league.

Wow you team is going to really suck.

, most professional WRs to ever suit up. He's not going out like a bum.

Have always believe this but seems jury is out on that IMO. Along w/another in a long line of hangin-wit-the-thugs NFL SNAFU, I have heard from reliable sources he has blown off a charity event or 2.

Don't forget that he accosted that kid at the Pro Bowl, and pouted when he wasn't as involved as he wanted to be. He isn't the 'professional' people think he is. He's just another thug who has kept himself a little cleaner than the others. Don't be fooled.

 

[BigRed]

Don't forget that he accosted that kid at the Pro Bowl, and pouted when he wasn't as involved as he wanted to be. He isn't the 'professional' people think he is. He's just another thug who has kept himself a little cleaner than the others. Don't be fooled.

Can't speak to those things and don't think I'd go that far, just questioning where he really falls between this great shining example and thug.

 

[twitch]

This year value picks such as Harrison, Rudi Johnson, and Marc Bulger could win you your league.

Wow you team is going to really suck.

, most professional WRs to ever suit up. He's not going out like a bum.

Have always believe this but seems jury is out on that IMO. Along w/another in a long line of hangin-wit-the-thugs NFL SNAFU, I have heard from reliable sources he has blown off a charity event or 2.

Don't forget that he accosted that kid at the Pro Bowl, and pouted when he wasn't as involved as he wanted to be. He isn't the 'professional' people think he is. He's just another thug who has kept himself a little cleaner than the others. Don't be fooled.

I wasnt at all referring to how he interacts off the field. I dont know Marvin Harrison the person. Have no interest. But on the field, his performance and consistency speak for itself. That's the professionalism I was speaking of.

 

[Jason Wood]

This year value picks such as Harrison, Rudi Johnson, and Marc Bulger could win you your league.

Wow you team is going to really suck.

, most professional WRs to ever suit up. He's not going out like a bum.

Have always believe this but seems jury is out on that IMO. Along w/another in a long line of hangin-wit-the-thugs NFL SNAFU, I have heard from reliable sources he has blown off a charity event or 2.

Don't forget that he accosted that kid at the Pro Bowl, and pouted when he wasn't as involved as he wanted to be. He isn't the 'professional' people think he is. He's just another thug who has kept himself a little cleaner than the others. Don't be fooled.

Honestly, there's no basis for calling Harrison a thug. You want to question his toughness b/c he runs out of bounds? You want to question whether he can make it back from his injuries at his age? Fine. But making a declaration about the man's character just because we don't know otherwise?

 

[David Yudkin]

I'll believe Harrision "is back" after he actually does something. I realize that in fantasy circles that will be too late, which is fine with me. I'm in the camp of let someone else worry about will he or won't he and how well he may or may not do.

At this point, I am not so sure he has the desire to play like he used to. From what I heard last year, he was well enough to play and did not kill himself to get back on the field. I suspect we will see some of the same weekly riddles this year.

35-420-3

 

[Banger]

I'll be keeping a close eye on his health because he's one of those diamonds that guys pass on. The FF pendulum and herd mentality often swing too far with players coming off injury and/or are older players as many of the posts in this thread indicate.

The price will probably be relatively cheap and he has top 10 upside if he can stay in the lineup.

 

[Ketamine Dreams]

This year value picks such as Harrison, Rudi Johnson, and Marc Bulger could win you your league.

Wow you team is going to really suck.

, most professional WRs to ever suit up. He's not going out like a bum.

Have always believe this but seems jury is out on that IMO. Along w/another in a long line of hangin-wit-the-thugs NFL SNAFU, I have heard from reliable sources he has blown off a charity event or 2.

Don't forget that he accosted that kid at the Pro Bowl, and pouted when he wasn't as involved as he wanted to be. He isn't the 'professional' people think he is. He's just another thug who has kept himself a little cleaner than the others. Don't be fooled.

Honestly, there's no basis for calling Harrison a thug. You want to question his toughness b/c he runs out of bounds? You want to question whether he can make it back from his injuries at his age? Fine. But making a declaration about the man's character just because we don't know otherwise?

IMO, I've seen enough to make that call. Maybe it's premature for others, but the shooting incident did it for me. You whine about not being involved, you rough up a kid in Hawaii while at the Pro Bowl who asks for an autograph, and then you're involved in a shooting in your bar? And yes, he was involved. They can't pin anything on him, but HIS gun was used after HE was in an altercation with a patron. Maybe he didn't pull the trigger, but he's involved. Maybe he's only a low-level thug, but he's still a thug.

 

[Jason Wood]

This year value picks such as Harrison, Rudi Johnson, and Marc Bulger could win you your league.

Wow you team is going to really suck.

, most professional WRs to ever suit up. He's not going out like a bum.

Have always believe this but seems jury is out on that IMO. Along w/another in a long line of hangin-wit-the-thugs NFL SNAFU, I have heard from reliable sources he has blown off a charity event or 2.

Don't forget that he accosted that kid at the Pro Bowl, and pouted when he wasn't as involved as he wanted to be. He isn't the 'professional' people think he is. He's just another thug who has kept himself a little cleaner than the others. Don't be fooled.

Honestly, there's no basis for calling Harrison a thug. You want to question his toughness b/c he runs out of bounds? You want to question whether he can make it back from his injuries at his age? Fine. But making a declaration about the man's character just because we don't know otherwise?

IMO, I've seen enough to make that call. Maybe it's premature for others, but the shooting incident did it for me. You whine about not being involved, you rough up a kid in Hawaii while at the Pro Bowl who asks for an autograph, and then you're involved in a shooting in your bar? And yes, he was involved. They can't pin anything on him, but HIS gun was used after HE was in an altercation with a patron. Maybe he didn't pull the trigger, but he's involved. Maybe he's only a low-level thug, but he's still a thug.

OK, well in this thread, the "thug" talk ends. If you have somethings substantive to say about his FANTASY PROSPECTS for 2008, by all means. Otherwise, please move on.

 

[bigmiiiiike]

For me, Harrison is worth the gamble. He's available in most leagues in the late 5th/early 6th round before someone takes a chance on him. If you are looking for a WR at this stage, your other options are likely to be Hines Ward, Lav Coles, Joey Galloway, etc., and those names are generous. I think the upside for each of the names I just mentioned is about 1100 and 6. Is that Harrison's upside??? #ell no!!!!! Are you seriously telling me, after watching this guy put up 1500 and 15 year after year after year, that you're ready to write him off after his first major injury and some off the field problems??? Let's put it this way: Lav Coles or Joey Galloway are not going to win anybody a FF championship. Harrison may never get back to form, but if he does, there is little on the Colts' that has changed, and he'll be right back to 1200 and 8, at a minimum (note: that is is floor if he is healthy, of course).

Reggie Wayne may have passed him by as the #1, and Gonzo is a great target as well, but the Colts have plenty of O to go around (remember those Stokley years). I'll give him his healthy floor:

1200 and 8 TDs

 

[jestertj]

To me the risk is higher than it might be with others. Not only is there a lack of information, IIRC Harrison doesn't really let the team doctors have at him. The season before last when he had the elbow injury, he went to his own doctors outside of the team and just never let them look at him.

As of today, I think he's still about where an average season would have been for him when healthy. 85 balls, 1000 yards and 10 TDs.

 

[-jb-]

I think as drafts get closer to in season, you will see his ADP rise, both b/c sharks like his opportunity and because those who draft in FF for fun will take him earlier than they should.

This is my hunch, as well. He's got a late 6th ADP right now...within 30 days, he'll be mid 5th. Calvin Johnson/Dwayne Bowe territory, which makes the pick really interesting. Another reason I believe this year's 5th round should be used on a RB. I would rather roll the dice on Jonathan Stewart or even Julius Jones than Marvin. YMMV.500/6

 

[BigRed]

Are you seriously telling me, after watching this guy put up 1500 and 15 year after year after year, that you're ready to write him off after his first major injury and some off the field problems???

2d injury actually and no, but I'm not ready to expect the old Harrison or even for him to play every game either.

Let's put it this way: Lav Coles or Joey Galloway are not going to win anybody a FF championship.

No single player will.

Harrison may never get back to form, but if he does, there is little on the Colts' that has changed, and he'll be right back to 1200 and 8, at a minimum (note: that is is floor if he is healthy, of course).

A big big if and there is something that's changed: he isn't the #1 option anymore. And that is not the floor if he's healthy IMO.

(remember those Stokley years).

Year. ie one.

 

[buck naked]

i don't like situations where there's not a lot of information forth-coming. No news is not good news.43/550/4

Nothing was forthcoming on Moss last year, Joffer. I think the Colts may be playing the same game.Edit to add: 89 rec., 1089 yards, 9 tds.

 

[kerpow]

I remember questions about Randy Moss last year and a number of people were saying "let him be someone else's problem". Well we know how that turned out....

 

[The Man with the Plan]

It was only a couple of games but even when he was healthy last season Marvin Harrison wasn't all that great. Knee injuries for 35+year old guys are worrisome but I think he's worth the risk unless he gets drafted ridiculously early. The reward could be tremendous. I wouldn't quite compare him to Moss's situation last season because he's much older and coming off a major injury. The upside however is very alluring. A choice between drafting Donald Driver, Laveranues Coles, or Marvin Harrison isn't much of a choice to me at all.

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

The Indianapolis Star reports that Marvin Harrison (knee) has been cleared for practice and will ready for the Colts' first day of training camp on Friday.

Great news for Harrison, whose clearance comes much sooner than expected. Indianapolis will still be very cautious with him after his offseason knee surgery, but it appears he'll be ready for Week 1. While his legal issues are still in doubt, we've seen Harrison fall too far in drafts. He's worth the gamble at the end of the top-20 wideout picks. He'll score as long as he's healthy. Jul. 22 - 3:06 pm et

Source: Indianapolis Star

 

[cstruk]

I'll believe Harrision "is back" after he actually does something. I realize that in fantasy circles that will be too late, which is fine with me. I'm in the camp of let someone else worry about will he or won't he and how well he may or may not do.At this point, I am not so sure he has the desire to play like he used to. From what I heard last year, he was well enough to play and did not kill himself to get back on the field. I suspect we will see some of the same weekly riddles this year.35-420-3

I'm right there with the David Yudkin above. Let him be someone else's problem. That week he came back was pathetic. If he really had the motivation to be back, he would have been the for the playoffs. I'm not a TO fan but he at least tries to show up no matter what the injury. Marvin is done. A great career but it is over. Time to take a chance and draft Gonzalez as he is the one that may win you something.

 

[ratbast]

He becomes a redzone weapon with 8-10 TDs but only around 600-700 yards.

 

[David Yudkin]

The Indianapolis Star reports that Marvin Harrison (knee) has been cleared for practice and will ready for the Colts' first day of training camp on Friday.Great news for Harrison, whose clearance comes much sooner than expected. Indianapolis will still be very cautious with him after his offseason knee surgery, but it appears he'll be ready for Week 1. While his legal issues are still in doubt, we've seen Harrison fall too far in drafts. He's worth the gamble at the end of the top-20 wideout picks. He'll score as long as he's healthy. Jul. 22 - 3:06 pm etSource: Indianapolis Star

How many times was Harrison cleared for practice or expected to play last year, yet months went by and nothing happened? I doubt we will see Harrison very often in any preseason games, so the only thing we will likely have to go on will be some footage of Harrison running drills and running light duty, non contract patterns with Peyton and the media saying, "look he's all better now."Harrison has an ADP of 68, Gonzalez has an ADP of 86. As the season approaches, I would bet that Harrison will start to go earlier and earlier while Gonzalez will go later and later once it appears that MH "is good to go." I would not be surprised to see Marvin in the 50s and Gonzalez near 100. I would much rather have Gonzalez 4-5 rounds later if it gets to that point.

 

[ukshane]

I'll believe Harrision "is back" after he actually does something. I realize that in fantasy circles that will be too late, which is fine with me. I'm in the camp of let someone else worry about will he or won't he and how well he may or may not do.At this point, I am not so sure he has the desire to play like he used to. From what I heard last year, he was well enough to play and did not kill himself to get back on the field. I suspect we will see some of the same weekly riddles this year.35-420-3

I passed on TO a couple of years ago because everyone thought he was suicidal. I passed on Moss last season because everyone thought he was washed up and Brady spreads the ball around too much. I might take a shot at a guy with ???'s this season and look for some value. 80 receptions1,100 yards8 TD'sSounds about right.

 

[Sylira21]

He becomes a redzone weapon with 8-10 TDs but only around 600-700 yards.

I like this line of thinking. I think they use him more selectively than before, but his rapport with Peyton in the redzone gives him value.Along with reducing the value of all the other receivers on the team...I'm starting to have a hard time liking any of them at current ADPs.

 

[podunker]

I believe Harrison is back. Now he has Reggie to help him out even more. They might even try to double Wayne now, leaving Harrison with single coverage. He is definitely top 20. The best strategy is to get him and AGonz I think. That way your covered either way.

 

[David Yudkin]

I believe Harrison is back. Now he has Reggie to help him out even more. They might even try to double Wayne now, leaving Harrison with single coverage. He is definitely top 20. The best strategy is to get him and AGonz I think. That way your covered either way.

I'm not so sure about that. Both guys could cancel each other out and put up fantasy WR3/WR4 numbers, either splitting the work in each week or alternating good weeks and bad weeks. Neither one would do great for your fantasy squad.

 

[Banger]

I believe Harrison is back. Now he has Reggie to help him out even more. They might even try to double Wayne now, leaving Harrison with single coverage. He is definitely top 20. The best strategy is to get him and AGonz I think. That way your covered either way.

I'm not so sure about that. Both guys could cancel each other out and put up fantasy WR3/WR4 numbers, either splitting the work in each week or alternating good weeks and bad weeks. Neither one would do great for your fantasy squad.

In '04 Harrison finished 5th, Wayne 8th, Stokely 11th. I realize this is 2008 but I could see something like Wayne 3rd, Harrison 14th, Gonzo 23rd....ETA...that's obviously depenedent on Harrison being healthy but if he is he could be gold in that offense IMO.

 

[David Yudkin]

I'll believe Harrision "is back" after he actually does something. I realize that in fantasy circles that will be too late, which is fine with me. I'm in the camp of let someone else worry about will he or won't he and how well he may or may not do.At this point, I am not so sure he has the desire to play like he used to. From what I heard last year, he was well enough to play and did not kill himself to get back on the field. I suspect we will see some of the same weekly riddles this year.35-420-3

I passed on TO a couple of years ago because everyone thought he was suicidal. I passed on Moss last season because everyone thought he was washed up and Brady spreads the ball around too much. I might take a shot at a guy with ???'s this season and look for some value. 80 receptions1,100 yards8 TD'sSounds about right.

I personally never passed on TO or Moss, but I am passing on Harrison this time around. The reports I heard last year (combined with some insider information) was that MH really had lost his desire to play football and really was not all that hurt the extended time he was out. I draw the line at guys that appear not to want to play anymore.Again, I'll see what he does and how he looks, but for now I'm skeptical . . .

 

[David Yudkin]

I believe Harrison is back. Now he has Reggie to help him out even more. They might even try to double Wayne now, leaving Harrison with single coverage. He is definitely top 20. The best strategy is to get him and AGonz I think. That way your covered either way.

I'm not so sure about that. Both guys could cancel each other out and put up fantasy WR3/WR4 numbers, either splitting the work in each week or alternating good weeks and bad weeks. Neither one would do great for your fantasy squad.

In '04 Harrison finished 5th, Wayne 8th, Stokely 11th. I realize this is 2008 but I could see something like Wayne 3rd, Harrison 14th, Gonzo 23rd....ETA...that's obviously depenedent on Harrison being healthy but if he is he could be gold in that offense IMO.

IMO, I can't see Harrsion, Wayne, Gonzalez, and Clark all putting up huge numbers unless you see Manning going for 5000/50.

 

[joffer]

The reports I heard last year (combined with some insider information) was that MH really had lost his desire to play football and really was not all that hurt the extended time he was out. I draw the line at guys that appear not to want to play anymore.

Again, I'll see what he does and how he looks, but for now I'm skeptical . . .

you're such a tease sometimes i agree with you on this one, it just didn't seem like he was trying hard to get back on the field last year.

when Rod Smith went downhill it happened pretty fast. i realize the situations and injuries were different, but for some reason it feels somewhat the same to me.

 

[twitch]

"Lost his desire to play football"? Im gonna have to call full-blown BS on that. Insider or not, Marv hardly talks to his own family. How the hell is some 'insider' gonna deduce such a thing from an all-time great. All of a sudden the guy suffers a KNEE injury, and he's washed up, lost his desire, AND soft?? Im just shakin' my head at this convo.

 

[podunker]

Off topic a bit, but I see Clarks numbers going down with the emergence of AGonz. If Harrison is good to go anyway. I see more three WR sets.

 

[bjlmonster]

NFL Live just reported that he has been cleared to start practicing at camp. Good news for Harrison owners!

 

[BigSteelThrill]

NFL Live just reported that he has been cleared to start practicing at camp. Good news for Harrison owners!

:yudkinvoice: But does he want to?

 

[Tigerbot Hesh]

One thing I haven't seen mentioned is the improvement of the Colts defense over the past few years.

In 2005, the Colts gave up 258 points against (16.1 ppg). In 2006 (Super Bowl year), they had several injuries in the defense and gave up 360 points against (22.5 ppg). Last season, the Colts allowed 262 points against (16.4 ppg).

Better defense = less shootouts = less WR production. One of the reasons Harrison wasn't missed as much last season is that the Colts didn't need him to catch 100 balls and score 14 TDs to win ball games.

I'm thinking 40-400-5 in a part-time role.

 

[shader]

The conservative, "let him be someone else's problem" attitude rarely wins you the league. You probably won't have a bad team with such an attitude, but you won't have a great team either.

 

[David Yudkin]

The conservative, "let him be someone else's problem" attitude rarely wins you the league. You probably won't have a bad team with such an attitude, but you won't have a great team either.

If you know what you are doing (and perhaps I foolishly give people the benefit of the doubt on that one), there will be plently of better fish to fry at the time Harrison gets picked.The people that said point to what happened with Ownes and Moss are sort of missing the boat. At the time, I was rallying behind those two and I pimped them as great value picks. I'm not one that shies away from people just to play it safe. In this case, I amstaying clear from this one as I think there is a lot more to the story than has been reported and there are a combination of issues that make me leary of Harrison.And if people take him and it pans out, more power to them. But I personally would not want the grief that he caused people last year all over again this year. As I pointed out earlier, I fully expect Gonzalez to have better numbers and he'll be available 3-4 rounds after Harrison.You can still take risks when it makes sense to take risks and take value when it presents itself.

 

[twitch]

One thing I haven't seen mentioned is the improvement of the Colts defense over the past few years. In 2005, the Colts gave up 258 points against (16.1 ppg). In 2006 (Super Bowl year), they had several injuries in the defense and gave up 360 points against (22.5 ppg). Last season, the Colts allowed 262 points against (16.4 ppg).Better defense = less shootouts = less WR production. One of the reasons Harrison wasn't missed as much last season is that the Colts didn't need him to catch 100 balls and score 14 TDs to win ball games.I'm thinking 40-400-5 in a part-time role.

I follow this general logic in many a case. But here's the problem with the logic. It doesnt always apply. Last year, Pittsburgh, New England, and Indy were 3 of the top 4 scoring Ds in the NFL. Only Tampa Bay was in their class at limiting opposing offenses. And Roethlisberger, Brady and Manning had 3 of the top 4 passing seasons in the league. And there were plenty of great WR scoring performances to choose from among those 3 teams. Point being, that less shootouts=less WR production is taking a nap here with these Colts. These guys are gonna score alot every week, whether they win 35-0 or 35-34. And if Harrison is actually healthy this year, 400yds is gonna have you looking pretty silly. Id look for something in the general range of: 80catches 1200yds and 10TDs.

 

[purestrength]

I just heard that Marvin won't be playing Sunday night against the Redskins.

Why am I not surprised?