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Player Spotlight: Maurice Morris (1 Viewer)

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2008 Player Spotlight Series

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Thread Topic: Maurice Morris, RB, Seattle Seahawks

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someone in Seattle has to run the ball, but I'm not sure its Marris, he seems better suited to be the 3rd down/Change of pace guy..

he'll get a fair amount of receptions along the way..

100/420/3

25 rec/175/2

 
Surprised there wasn't more to say about this guy.

He seems like a good RB3 to target late to me. He's been pretty productive when he's had the chance, though he isn't much of a goal-line back but neither is Jones.

I'll say:

200 carries

900 yards

7 TD's

30 catches

250 yards

1 TD

 
I have to say it looks like they are going with him, with JJ and Duckett both on the outs.

God help the Seagulls.

 
The dearth of WR combined with a rookie TE helps him break 50 catches.

Holmgren goes with the hot hand for rushes, which in 60% of the games means him over Jones.

Forsett gets a few chances in the last few games, cutting into his final totals.

Duckett and/or Weaver vulture 4 or 5 TDs.

50 catches, 500 yards

190 rushes, 850 yards

6 total TDs

 
As an avid Seahawks fan and FF vet, I will pass on him.

Why?

He had an opportunity to prove himself last year and he didn't.

He is a decent 3rd down back, who (at times) has flashes of quickness.

Think of him like a Robert Smith-type without "break-away" speed.

He is a solid ballplayer, and it looks like Holmgren is implementing more screens than the past few years, so he should get some rec touches.

Seattle would NOT have brought in Jones AND Duckett if they thought MOrris was the answer. He knows the system and doesn't lose the ball, so he will play. After watching the pre-season, I would not be surprised in the least if Duckett scores more RUSHING TD than either of the other backs.

I think JJones will take over at starting RB after the BYE (week 4), and Morris will play 3rd down, and spell JJ. Duckett is the clear short yardage back with Schmitt a pure blocker, and Weaver carrying a bit in short yardage also.

I would expect Weaver to block for Duckett in short yardage situations and Holmgren will use both Weaver and Duckett. He loved "sneaking" the ball to Mack Strong in short yardage, so this continues imho.

I believe Duckett's arrival in Seattle was brought on by Jim Mora, who will assume the hc position next season and was familiar with TJ from Atlanta.

BOTTOM LINE FOR ME IS:

MOMO is a solid play for the first quarter of the season until JJones takes over fulltime. If you get bonus points for RB receptions, he may be worth a nod late, but he wasn't even drafted in my latest 10 team 22 round draft, where you draft 5 RB and get 1ppr bonus.

My two scents. Chocolate and Sarsaparilla.

 
As an avid Seahawks fan and FF vet, I will pass on him.Why?He had an opportunity to prove himself last year and he didn't.He is a decent 3rd down back, who (at times) has flashes of quickness.Think of him like a Robert Smith-type without "break-away" speed.He is a solid ballplayer, and it looks like Holmgren is implementing more screens than the past few years, so he should get some rec touches.Seattle would NOT have brought in Jones AND Duckett if they thought MOrris was the answer. He knows the system and doesn't lose the ball, so he will play. After watching the pre-season, I would not be surprised in the least if Duckett scores more RUSHING TD than either of the other backs.I think JJones will take over at starting RB after the BYE (week 4), and Morris will play 3rd down, and spell JJ. Duckett is the clear short yardage back with Schmitt a pure blocker, and Weaver carrying a bit in short yardage also. I would expect Weaver to block for Duckett in short yardage situations and Holmgren will use both Weaver and Duckett. He loved "sneaking" the ball to Mack Strong in short yardage, so this continues imho.I believe Duckett's arrival in Seattle was brought on by Jim Mora, who will assume the hc position next season and was familiar with TJ from Atlanta.BOTTOM LINE FOR ME IS:MOMO is a solid play for the first quarter of the season until JJones takes over fulltime. If you get bonus points for RB receptions, he may be worth a nod late, but he wasn't even drafted in my latest 10 team 22 round draft, where you draft 5 RB and get 1ppr bonus.My two scents. Chocolate and Sarsaparilla.
Wait, so your league drafted 50 RBs in a PPR scoring system and noone drafted the apparent starting RB from a team that has WR injury issues(meaning more passes to the capable MoMo)? The starting RB for any team should be drafted in every league just because opportunity usually equals production with RBs.
 
travdogg said:
Surprised there wasn't more to say about this guy.
I've been talking him up for months and let me tell you --- this board is simply not as impressed as I am. 9 out of 10 posters will babble on about the RBBC or how he has never shown anything or state that the Hawks brought in Duckett and JJ for a reason or that the Seattle offense is anemic this year, etc etc.1 out of 10 posters will actually open their eyes and see that this guy represents one of the biggest VALUES in the draft this year. A starting RB in round 12? Sign me up as very excited and definitely someone who has something to say.
 
Seattle would NOT have brought in Jones AND Duckett if they thought MOrris was the answer.
These kinds of statements make no sense to me. Ok, so let's assume they DID think Morris was the answer. You think they would have carried Morris and Forsett as their only RB's? Do you realize that there is NO ONE ELSE on that team to carry the football? The fact that they pursued two RB's who have essentially failed in their previous locations and shipped out due to lack of performance is encouraging, not discouraging. And yes, it may have seemed like J. Jones was brought in to be the starter, but he's completely failed to capitalize. And yet, with other FA's available on the market, Seattle has brought exactly 0 more people in to compete. That tells the exact opposite story than what you are trying to paint. Seattle IS content with Morris as their starter or at least in the lead of a RBBC situation.Bottomline is they had to bring in SOMEONE. They brought in an overhyped goalline RB in Duckett and a career underachiever in J. Jones. To think that's a bad sign for Morris's chances is laughable.
 
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Football Outsiders has been very high on this guy for some time. All he does is outrun the guy in front of him.

 
Seattle would NOT have brought in Jones AND Duckett if they thought MOrris was the answer.
These kinds of statements make no sense to me. Ok, so let's assume they DID think Morris was the answer. You think they would have carried Morris and Forsett as their only RB's? Do you realize that there is NO ONE ELSE on that team to carry the football? The fact that they pursued two RB's who have essentially failed in their previous locations and shipped out due to lack of performance is encouraging, not discouraging. And yes, it may have seemed like J. Jones was brought in to be the starter, but he's completely failed to capitalize. And yet, with other FA's available on the market, Seattle has brought exactly 0 more people in to compete. That tells the exact opposite story than what you are trying to paint. Seattle IS content with Morris as their starter or at least in the lead of a RBBC situation.Bottomline is they had to bring in SOMEONE. They brought in an overhyped goalline RB in Duckett and a career underachiever in J. Jones. To think that's a bad sign for Morris's chances is laughable.
Great post.And to the guy who said he was an avid Seahawks fan, and FF veteran ... and then when on to say that Maurice Morris wasn't even drafted in his 10 team, 22 round - PPR league, I have one thing to say .... :goodposting:
 
Seattle would NOT have brought in Jones AND Duckett if they thought MOrris was the answer.
These kinds of statements make no sense to me. Ok, so let's assume they DID think Morris was the answer. You think they would have carried Morris and Forsett as their only RB's? Do you realize that there is NO ONE ELSE on that team to carry the football? The fact that they pursued two RB's who have essentially failed in their previous locations and shipped out due to lack of performance is encouraging, not discouraging. And yes, it may have seemed like J. Jones was brought in to be the starter, but he's completely failed to capitalize. And yet, with other FA's available on the market, Seattle has brought exactly 0 more people in to compete. That tells the exact opposite story than what you are trying to paint. Seattle IS content with Morris as their starter or at least in the lead of a RBBC situation.Bottomline is they had to bring in SOMEONE. They brought in an overhyped goalline RB in Duckett and a career underachiever in J. Jones. To think that's a bad sign for Morris's chances is laughable.
:goodposting: couldn't agree more, that is exactly what I think when people say that Jones and Duckett were brought in. My main league is PPR and I targeted Morris and got him becuase I think he provides excellent value later in the draft. With all the WR problems I think they are going to lean on the running game more and should provide him with some additional receptions. Throw in division games against St. Louis, San Fran and Arizona and I like those matchups.
 
someone in Seattle has to run the ball, but I'm not sure its Marris, he seems better suited to be the 3rd down/Change of pace guy..he'll get a fair amount of receptions along the way..100/420/325 rec/175/2
MM haters are an odd bunch.Last year stats140 carries, 628 yards, 4.5 average, 4 TD Rushing23 rcpts, 213 yards, 1 TDThat seems to be the worst case scenario for this year. Best Case?He is starting, and clearly has shown to be the best RB on the roster. TJ may vulture some goal line TD's. Lack of recievers may increase receptions.Say 200 carries, 900 yards, 6 TD Rushing50 rcpts, 450 yards, 3 TD receiving For someone with a Round 12 ADP, that is pretty good value. Exceptional Value. In a PPR league (with start 3 IDP), I got him in the 16th. That is crazy good value for what is very thin pickings at the time in the draft
 
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The Seattle beat writers and other observers of camp/practice have been saying Morris looked the best of the Rb's by far throughout. Whether he's a great, good, or avg back, he's in a great position in a great scheme to put up some kind of production. I certainly felt good picking him up in the 15th rnd of my ppr draft as a 4th RB, 7 rounds later than Julius Jones was drafted.

 
No real value. If they had any faith in him, they wouldn't have signed JJ AND Duckett.
I disagree here. Jones and Duckett were picked up to replace Shaun Alexander, as for Forsett. And from the production he produced over the years that would be a lot to ask from just 1 RB. Maybe Morris isn't the answer for full-time work, but neither is Jones and TJ Duckett is old and he's knee might not even hold up for goal line work. Comparing just the 2 RBs (Morris/Jones) I see a 60/40 split favoring Morris.
 
travdogg said:
Surprised there wasn't more to say about this guy.
I've been talking him up for months and let me tell you --- this board is simply not as impressed as I am. 9 out of 10 posters will babble on about the RBBC or how he has never shown anything or state that the Hawks brought in Duckett and JJ for a reason or that the Seattle offense is anemic this year, etc etc.1 out of 10 posters will actually open their eyes and see that this guy represents one of the biggest VALUES in the draft this year. A starting RB in round 12? Sign me up as very excited and definitely someone who has something to say.
I agree that he's undervalued since any RB getting the majority of carries is worth something.But he's done nothing for years and It's hard for me to think that will really change.We'll see.
 
The only success I've ever seen Morris have was out of spread sets and Seattle doesn't really have the WRs to spread the field right now.

 
travdogg said:
Surprised there wasn't more to say about this guy.
I've been talking him up for months and let me tell you --- this board is simply not as impressed as I am. 9 out of 10 posters will babble on about the RBBC or how he has never shown anything or state that the Hawks brought in Duckett and JJ for a reason or that the Seattle offense is anemic this year, etc etc.1 out of 10 posters will actually open their eyes and see that this guy represents one of the biggest VALUES in the draft this year. A starting RB in round 12? Sign me up as very excited and definitely someone who has something to say.
There was another thread about MoMo and I argued that he will be a much better value than Julius Jones in 2008. In my recent 12 team redraft, JJ was 7.02 pick (31st RB, ahead of Stewart & FTaylor) and MoMo was 11.05 (45th RB). Give me either Stewart or Taylor at 7.02 and let me sweeten that with MoMo in the 11th all day.
 
I can not speak to how they have done in camp other than what I have heard which he has looked the best of the three. What I do know is that both Duckett and Jones have had ample opportunities to prove they can be the guy and both failed miserably. Also whatever you think of Jerry Jones I don't think anyone can argue that he is a shrewd businessman and for an owner seems to know how to evaluate talent. He and the staff obviously have seen enough years of Jones to make the decision that he is not a #1 guy, they didn't resign him and drafted another RB high. One last thing neither he or Duckett are exactly the picture of durability.

For where Morris is going I think he will

A) Be the larger part of a committee that will get a lot of carries and a good amount of passes with their WR corp in bad shape

B) Jones/Duckett play themselves out of a job or get injured giving Morris a majority of the carries.

Added Bonus: They will be playing some of the worst rush defenses in the league twice in their division

I got him in round 15 of an 18 round draft...one of the last players I took before my K and Def

 
Football Outsiders has been very high on this guy for some time. All he does is outrun the guy in front of him.
He really hasn't been good at all in their metrics for a few years now.God help me, I am starting him this week in a 0.5 PPR league. I think he's a replacement level talent, but the opportunity is there for now.
 

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