Player Spotlight: Thomas Jones (1 Viewer)

[Jason Wood]

2008 Player Spotlight Series

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Thread Topic: Thomas Jones, RB, New York Jets

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[Blackjacks]

I very aggressively went after Jones this year as he is the #1 sleeper @ rb on my board. He had a descent year last year he was just missing td's. He put up 1300 yards total with a less than avg. offense. This year he gets a huge lift with Faneca being added in his corner. Faneca is the kind of guy that adds a 1/2 yard on your avg. for the year when he is signed to be on your team. Plus Jones gets the addition of Woody being singed as well. Woody might not be dominate now days but an upgrade from what they had and then add in Tony Richardson at fulback and you have one of the best running offensive lines in football. Even bigger than that is that if the coaching staff went out and signed these guys they obviously want to be a running team this year.

I could see Jones cracking THE TOP 10 this year

Projections

315 carries 1350 yards 11 td's

25 catches 180 yards

HUGE UPSIDE THIS YEAR

 

[rzrback77]

I think that Thomas Jones spells Bargain in redraft 08 leagues. The Jets OL will be much improved with maturation of their youth and the added FA acquisition of Alan Faneca. Jones ypc will have a nice uptick and he'll still remain the primary focus of the running attack. When you consider his current ADP of 56 as RB 27, this is a guy that you can take as your RB2 after you stock up at WR and have a very nice nucleus.

Thomas Jones 290 carries 1218 yards 4.2 ypc and 30 catches 210 yards 7.0 ypc and 8 total TDs

 

[LBH]

I like T.Jones a lot this year, but if he isnt effective I think hes on a shorter leash than a lot of people think. I think he will be solid though

300 1250 8 20 rec 130 yds

 

[gman8343]

Pretty big projections I'm seeing so far. I'm a bit less enthusiastic. I still think he'll be pretty good, but I could also see Leon Washington getting a few more touches a game, he's a pretty explosive player in his own right.

280, 1100 yds, 5 TDs, 16 receptions 105 yds, 0 TDs.

 

[Scooby1974]

I really like TJones value this year. I'll predict 290 touches 1200 yards and 9 TDs

 

[Tanner9919]

I think that Thomas Jones spells Bargain in redraft 08 leagues. The Jets OL will be much improved with maturation of their youth and the added FA acquisition of Alan Faneca. Jones ypc will have a nice uptick and he'll still remain the primary focus of the running attack. When you consider his current ADP of 56 as RB 27, this is a guy that you can take as your RB2 after you stock up at WR and have a very nice nucleus.Thomas Jones 290 carries 1218 yards 4.2 ypc and 30 catches 210 yards 7.0 ypc and 8 total TDs

Faneca will make D'Brick a pro bowl player this season...that line will maul people...TJ is going to have a career year, IMO..300/1260/10...25/175/2best way to keep the heat off of Pennington, is to pound the ball with the running game.

 

[bucksoh]

TJ is going to have a great year, IMO..

310/1405/12...

20/207/1

 

[Kiddnets]

Wow - as a Jet fan I am stunned with these predictions - yes the OL is much improved but the QB position is not. I see most team stacking the lines and daring KC to beat them or even worse Penny - if Penny is the QB THey can stack the line as the guy cant even throw an out anymore.

Plus watching TJ closely last year he just didnt have the explosiveness I thought he had and didnt break any tackles. I think the Jets will try to run the ball this year but Mangini could easily institute a comittee approach with Leon, Musa and Chatman still in the mix. I would love TJ as a #3 with upside but would be hesitant to count on him as an every week #2.

 

[TaxMan]

TJones ypc last 3 years, 4.3, 4.1 and 3.6. With the OL improvements, I think 4.0-4.1 ypc this year is pretty much attainable.

TJones #carries last 2years with Jets - 297, 310 - with no MAJOR additions to the backfied, pretty easy schedule against the the run this year, 2nd year with the Jets after signing that huge contract, at least 300 carries is a done deal IMO.

300-1200, 25-150, 7-8 TDs

 

[5-ish Finkle]

I don't see his YPC making any significant movement up. And FWIW, Faneca is regressing. Has been for 2 seasons. Still good, but this isn't the Alan Fancea a lot of you are remembering, even blocking for the run.

310 carries, 1178 yards, 25 catches for 165 yards, 7-8 total TDs.

Still great value where he's likely to be drafted. Very similar to E. James this season, IMO: Almost no legit challengers for significant carries barring injury.

 

[The Man with the Plan]

The only 2 running backs to have carries for the Jets last season were Thomas Jones and Leon Washington. With the additions of Musa Smith, Jesse Chatman, and Tony Richardson that won't happen again. When he was a mediocre running back getting most of the carries Thomas Jones was a good fantasy player. If that doesn't happen this season then he won't be very productive O-line improvement or not. With Thomas Jones it's all about quantity because the quality won't be very high.

 

[TaxMan]

The only 2 running backs to have carries for the Jets last season were Thomas Jones and Leon Washington. With the additions of Musa Smith, Jesse Chatman, and Tony Richardson that won't happen again. When he was a mediocre running back getting most of the carries Thomas Jones was a good fantasy player. If that doesn't happen this season then he won't be very productive O-line improvement or not. With Thomas Jones it's all about quantity because the quality won't be very high.

I doubt Musa Smith and Chatman are going to put a dent on TJones value this year. One may get cut, and the other one left would be INSURANCE in case TJ goes down. TJ is a workhorse, averging over 300 carries the past 3 years. A lot of what he did last year is due to OLine issues, and now that has been addressed, along with FB Richardson, i have no reason to think that this is going to be a RBBC. They will run TJ into the ground with the money they invested on him.

 

[kawaihae]

Tony Richardson is the X-factor that not enough people are mentioning. The success of the runningbacks that he blocks for has been amazing. I watched him in the Pro Bowl last year and he really knows how to block and use his leverage. Based partly on this, the improvements to the OLine (remember how much better Brick was when he had Kendall next to him as a rookie?), the expected good play out of the receivers and TE (including Keller), and the lack of a threat to his carries, I see TJ as an absolute steal as an RB2...

 

[Portis 26]

I am not sure Thomas Jones is going to win folks too many leagues. He'll be a solid, steady producer, but he is the kind of figure you buy low and sell high to acquire really explosive players - the kind who do win you championships.

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

It's ridiculous that a running back with over 1100 rushing yards had just 1 TD. The Jets were a team that was behind in a lot of games so you can see them passing down in the red zone in many of the games, but one TD??

I see it more of the same this season for Jones. He's a solid football player who won't get a lot of hype but has the chance a good chance to outperform his current ADP.

I'm predicting 1100 rushing yards with a whopping 5 rushing Td's with 30 receptions for 300 yards and 1 td

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

I am not sure Thomas Jones is going to win folks too many leagues. He'll be a solid, steady producer, but he is the kind of figure you buy low and sell high to acquire really explosive players - the kind who do win you championships.

I'm a little confused here. So he's not the kind of player who will win you your league but he's the kind who will win you championships?

 

[Portis 26]

I am not sure Thomas Jones is going to win folks too many leagues. He'll be a solid, steady producer, but he is the kind of figure you buy low and sell high to acquire really explosive players - the kind who do win you championships.

I'm a little confused here. So he's not the kind of player who will win you your league but he's the kind who will win you championships?

He won't win you a league/championship. You should trade him to acquire more explosive players.

 

[SuperJohn96]

Was listening to Pat Kirwan yesterday afternoon on Sirius and he was talking about the impact Faneca has on the running game.

He said 70% of the Steelers rushing plays went to his side, or they pulled him (Faneca) over and ran behind him to the other side.

Then he went back over the last while and examined the impact of similar (big dollar) free agent linemen going to new teams and their effect on the running game.

In all (or almost all) of the instances he cited, he said the rushing game improved at a MINIMUM of 11 spots in the rankings.

So he says since the Jets had the 19th best rushing attack in 2007, look for a top 10 rushing attack in 2008.

Anyone wanna crunch numbers to see if he is right?

FWIW, I think Thomas Jones has a lot of talent, and the TDs were really low. I mean, the guy still ran for over 1100 yards (10th in the NFL), but only got 1 TD.

I see no reason his rushing yards will go down, so they'll be the same or better, and I think Faneca can help add some TDs to that total (although PIT had only 9 rushing in '07)

Whether it's a Top 10 rushing attack, who knows, but it's certainly possible.

As for the poster who says TJ won't win you a championship, I disagree.

I think a lot of people will discount him because of his TD total, letting you grab him at a great value, which is how you do win (FF) championships.

1250 rushing + 6 TDs

250 Receiving + 2 TDs

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1500 Yards + 8 TDs is fantastic (top 10 numbers) for a guy who is going to be a late pick in many drafts. Even better value in TD heavy leagues where he will really be devalued.

 

[TS Garp]

Despite the fact that the Jets seemed dedicated to running the ball in 2007, and even more dedicated to the fact that Jones would get the very large majority of the carries, he was quite mediocre last year, scoring only 2 touchdowns and putting up his worst YPC since he became a lead back. This was a result of a poor line, an unsettled passing game, and, possibly, a drop-off in Jones' game/talent (more on that later).

The Jets made a major move to address their line issues with the signing of Faneca as well as Damien Woody. Woody's old but he's still an upgrade if he can stay in shape. The rest of the line still isn't terrific (unless Ferguson realizes his potential, which is possible) but the addition of Richardson at fullback is another big positive and should also help Jones a great deal. What's even better is that these moves indicate that the Jets remain very dedicated to a power running game.

The QB situation remains unresolved and a big question mark. It's hard to see it being worse than last year, and the Jets just need a serviceable QB who won't make mistakes and can keep defenses honest enough not to stack the line against Jones.

Jones will enter the situation as a 30 year old, which usually raises a red flag, although the fact that he was used sparingly at the beginning of his career means that he might not wear down as quickly as other backs of a similar age. Still, it's worth pondering Jones' talent level at this point, and asking whether part of his poor showing in 2007 had to do with the fact that he's lost a step. There's no question that he didn't look good last year, but what is in question is how much of that had to do with his situation and how much of it had to do with him. This is one of those questions that's impossible to answer and makes this game both fun and maddening for fantasy football owners. My gut feeling is that Jones has indeed lost a step. He only had two runs of more than 20 yards last season and rarely looked explosive. His situation was clearly made worse by the poor line, but I also don't think his mediocre season can be solely attributed to the O-line, either.

I can certainly see why people are pegging him as a great value, and I don't necessarily disagree, depending on where you get him, but I also think that his ceiling is quite limited. I don't see him pulling a Jamal Lewis, as the Browns' passing attack really opened things up for Lewis, which is what some owners are likely hoping for. Jones has some protection in the sense that he doesn't have a talented young RB waiting to grab his job at the first opportunity, and it seems that the Jets really view Washington as nothing more than a change-of-pace back. Jones will be certainly be given every opportunity to succeed.

In conclusion: great situation, questionable talent.

My projection:

290 carries, 1105 yds, 5 td's, 26 receptions, 180 yds, 0 td's.

 

[Jon_Moore]

Jones is an excellent back, who has averaged over 300 carries per each of the last 3 seasons. He should easily see it that many times and then some this year. Last season, he had 2 rookies blocking for him, at LT and Center. Those guys have a year under their belts and should be considerably improved. Allen Faneca is still one of the best run blockers in the game, his addition will be huge. If Mangold and Ferguson come into their own this year, Jones will have 3 guys with borderline pro-bowl ability blocking for him. Also, the Jets should finally go with Clemens, Pennington's arm was never respected by defenses, allowing them to stack against Jones. Clemens has the arm strength to burn defenses, and keep them honest. If the Jets defense keeps them in games, Jones will see a ton of carries this year.

340 Carries

1394 Yards

7 Touchdowns

30 Receptions

208 Receiving Yards

1602 Total Yards

7 Touchdowns

 

[TS Garp]

Jones is an excellent back, who has averaged over 300 carries per each of the last 3 seasons. He should easily see it that many times and then some this year. Last season, he had 2 rookies blocking for him, at LT and Center. Those guys have a year under their belts and should be considerably improved. Allen Faneca is still one of the best run blockers in the game, his addition will be huge. If Mangold and Ferguson come into their own this year, Jones will have 3 guys with borderline pro-bowl ability blocking for him. Also, the Jets should finally go with Clemens, Pennington's arm was never respected by defenses, allowing them to stack against Jones. Clemens has the arm strength to burn defenses, and keep them honest. If the Jets defense keeps them in games, Jones will see a ton of carries this year.340 Carries1394 Yards7 Touchdowns30 Receptions208 Receiving Yards1602 Total Yards7 Touchdowns

That's a lot of "ifs." Definitely a best-case scenario, in my opinion.

 

[TaxMan]

Despite the fact that the Jets seemed dedicated to running the ball in 2007, and even more dedicated to the fact that Jones would get the very large majority of the carries, he was quite mediocre last year, scoring only 2 touchdowns and putting up his worst YPC since he became a lead back. This was a result of a poor line, an unsettled passing game, and, possibly, a drop-off in Jones' game/talent (more on that later).The Jets made a major move to address their line issues with the signing of Faneca as well as Damien Woody. Woody's old but he's still an upgrade if he can stay in shape. The rest of the line still isn't terrific (unless Ferguson realizes his potential, which is possible) but the addition of Richardson at fullback is another big positive and should also help Jones a great deal. What's even better is that these moves indicate that the Jets remain very dedicated to a power running game.The QB situation remains unresolved and a big question mark. It's hard to see it being worse than last year, and the Jets just need a serviceable QB who won't make mistakes and can keep defenses honest enough not to stack the line against Jones.Jones will enter the situation as a 30 year old, which usually raises a red flag, although the fact that he was used sparingly at the beginning of his career means that he might not wear down as quickly as other backs of a similar age. Still, it's worth pondering Jones' talent level at this point, and asking whether part of his poor showing in 2007 had to do with the fact that he's lost a step. There's no question that he didn't look good last year, but what is in question is how much of that had to do with his situation and how much of it had to do with him. This is one of those questions that's impossible to answer and makes this game both fun and maddening for fantasy football owners. My gut feeling is that Jones has indeed lost a step. He only had two runs of more than 20 yards last season and rarely looked explosive. His situation was clearly made worse by the poor line, but I also don't think his mediocre season can be solely attributed to the O-line, either. I can certainly see why people are pegging him as a great value, and I don't necessarily disagree, depending on where you get him, but I also think that his ceiling is quite limited. I don't see him pulling a Jamal Lewis, as the Browns' passing attack really opened things up for Lewis, which is what some owners are likely hoping for. Jones has some protection in the sense that he doesn't have a talented young RB waiting to grab his job at the first opportunity, and it seems that the Jets really view Washington as nothing more than a change-of-pace back. Jones will be certainly be given every opportunity to succeed.In conclusion: great situation, questionable talent. My projection:290 carries, 1105 yds, 5 td's, 26 receptions, 180 yds, 0 td's.

those are better numbers than last year for TJ, and you think he's lost a step?290-310 carries, 4ypc, 7-8 TDs.last year, he had 15 rushing attempts inside the 5 (top-5 among RBs), and only had 1 TD to show for it. I doubt that happens again with 2 OL additions and Tony Richardson

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

I am not sure Thomas Jones is going to win folks too many leagues. He'll be a solid, steady producer, but he is the kind of figure you buy low and sell high to acquire really explosive players - the kind who do win you championships.

I'm a little confused here. So he's not the kind of player who will win you your league but he's the kind who will win you championships?

He won't win you a league/championship. You should trade him to acquire more explosive players.

Why not just draft these explosive players instead of Jones and having to trade for them?

 

[TS Garp]

Despite the fact that the Jets seemed dedicated to running the ball in 2007, and even more dedicated to the fact that Jones would get the very large majority of the carries, he was quite mediocre last year, scoring only 2 touchdowns and putting up his worst YPC since he became a lead back. This was a result of a poor line, an unsettled passing game, and, possibly, a drop-off in Jones' game/talent (more on that later).The Jets made a major move to address their line issues with the signing of Faneca as well as Damien Woody. Woody's old but he's still an upgrade if he can stay in shape. The rest of the line still isn't terrific (unless Ferguson realizes his potential, which is possible) but the addition of Richardson at fullback is another big positive and should also help Jones a great deal. What's even better is that these moves indicate that the Jets remain very dedicated to a power running game.The QB situation remains unresolved and a big question mark. It's hard to see it being worse than last year, and the Jets just need a serviceable QB who won't make mistakes and can keep defenses honest enough not to stack the line against Jones.Jones will enter the situation as a 30 year old, which usually raises a red flag, although the fact that he was used sparingly at the beginning of his career means that he might not wear down as quickly as other backs of a similar age. Still, it's worth pondering Jones' talent level at this point, and asking whether part of his poor showing in 2007 had to do with the fact that he's lost a step. There's no question that he didn't look good last year, but what is in question is how much of that had to do with his situation and how much of it had to do with him. This is one of those questions that's impossible to answer and makes this game both fun and maddening for fantasy football owners. My gut feeling is that Jones has indeed lost a step. He only had two runs of more than 20 yards last season and rarely looked explosive. His situation was clearly made worse by the poor line, but I also don't think his mediocre season can be solely attributed to the O-line, either. I can certainly see why people are pegging him as a great value, and I don't necessarily disagree, depending on where you get him, but I also think that his ceiling is quite limited. I don't see him pulling a Jamal Lewis, as the Browns' passing attack really opened things up for Lewis, which is what some owners are likely hoping for. Jones has some protection in the sense that he doesn't have a talented young RB waiting to grab his job at the first opportunity, and it seems that the Jets really view Washington as nothing more than a change-of-pace back. Jones will be certainly be given every opportunity to succeed.In conclusion: great situation, questionable talent. My projection:290 carries, 1105 yds, 5 td's, 26 receptions, 180 yds, 0 td's.

those are better numbers than last year for TJ, and you think he's lost a step?290-310 carries, 4ypc, 7-8 TDs.last year, he had 15 rushing attempts inside the 5 (top-5 among RBs), and only had 1 TD to show for it. I doubt that happens again with 2 OL additions and Tony Richardson

I think he'll be greatly helped by Faneca and Richardson and I don't think the Jets will be as much of a mess this year, but I also think expectations have to be tempered because of the fact that I just don't think he's that great. So I'm predicting a slight uptick in YPC and TD's (he was unlucky, as you point out) but not the big leap that some are forecasting.

 

[vincentvega722]

He will have a bounce back year. I think with the addition of Alan Faneca and Tony Richardson, two guys that came from run first teams, will help out the running game. I predict 1200 rushing yards, 6 rushing touchdowns, 200 receiving yards, and 2 receiving touchdowns. Overall, the team should be better than it was last year.

 

[TaxMan]

Despite the fact that the Jets seemed dedicated to running the ball in 2007, and even more dedicated to the fact that Jones would get the very large majority of the carries, he was quite mediocre last year, scoring only 2 touchdowns and putting up his worst YPC since he became a lead back. This was a result of a poor line, an unsettled passing game, and, possibly, a drop-off in Jones' game/talent (more on that later).The Jets made a major move to address their line issues with the signing of Faneca as well as Damien Woody. Woody's old but he's still an upgrade if he can stay in shape. The rest of the line still isn't terrific (unless Ferguson realizes his potential, which is possible) but the addition of Richardson at fullback is another big positive and should also help Jones a great deal. What's even better is that these moves indicate that the Jets remain very dedicated to a power running game.The QB situation remains unresolved and a big question mark. It's hard to see it being worse than last year, and the Jets just need a serviceable QB who won't make mistakes and can keep defenses honest enough not to stack the line against Jones.Jones will enter the situation as a 30 year old, which usually raises a red flag, although the fact that he was used sparingly at the beginning of his career means that he might not wear down as quickly as other backs of a similar age. Still, it's worth pondering Jones' talent level at this point, and asking whether part of his poor showing in 2007 had to do with the fact that he's lost a step. There's no question that he didn't look good last year, but what is in question is how much of that had to do with his situation and how much of it had to do with him. This is one of those questions that's impossible to answer and makes this game both fun and maddening for fantasy football owners. My gut feeling is that Jones has indeed lost a step. He only had two runs of more than 20 yards last season and rarely looked explosive. His situation was clearly made worse by the poor line, but I also don't think his mediocre season can be solely attributed to the O-line, either. I can certainly see why people are pegging him as a great value, and I don't necessarily disagree, depending on where you get him, but I also think that his ceiling is quite limited. I don't see him pulling a Jamal Lewis, as the Browns' passing attack really opened things up for Lewis, which is what some owners are likely hoping for. Jones has some protection in the sense that he doesn't have a talented young RB waiting to grab his job at the first opportunity, and it seems that the Jets really view Washington as nothing more than a change-of-pace back. Jones will be certainly be given every opportunity to succeed.In conclusion: great situation, questionable talent. My projection:290 carries, 1105 yds, 5 td's, 26 receptions, 180 yds, 0 td's.

those are better numbers than last year for TJ, and you think he's lost a step?290-310 carries, 4ypc, 7-8 TDs.last year, he had 15 rushing attempts inside the 5 (top-5 among RBs), and only had 1 TD to show for it. I doubt that happens again with 2 OL additions and Tony Richardson

I think he'll be greatly helped by Faneca and Richardson and I don't think the Jets will be as much of a mess this year, but I also think expectations have to be tempered because of the fact that I just don't think he's that great. So I'm predicting a slight uptick in YPC and TD's (he was unlucky, as you point out) but not the big leap that some are forecasting.

i hear ya. TJ aint great. But I think 4ypc at 300 carries, 7-8 TDs aren't great numbers. They're good numbers from a workhorse starting RB on a run-first team.

 

[SuperJohn96]

Despite the fact that the Jets seemed dedicated to running the ball in 2007, and even more dedicated to the fact that Jones would get the very large majority of the carries, he was quite mediocre last year, scoring only 2 touchdowns and putting up his worst YPC since he became a lead back. This was a result of a poor line, an unsettled passing game, and, possibly, a drop-off in Jones' game/talent (more on that later).The Jets made a major move to address their line issues with the signing of Faneca as well as Damien Woody. Woody's old but he's still an upgrade if he can stay in shape. The rest of the line still isn't terrific (unless Ferguson realizes his potential, which is possible) but the addition of Richardson at fullback is another big positive and should also help Jones a great deal. What's even better is that these moves indicate that the Jets remain very dedicated to a power running game.The QB situation remains unresolved and a big question mark. It's hard to see it being worse than last year, and the Jets just need a serviceable QB who won't make mistakes and can keep defenses honest enough not to stack the line against Jones.Jones will enter the situation as a 30 year old, which usually raises a red flag, although the fact that he was used sparingly at the beginning of his career means that he might not wear down as quickly as other backs of a similar age. Still, it's worth pondering Jones' talent level at this point, and asking whether part of his poor showing in 2007 had to do with the fact that he's lost a step. There's no question that he didn't look good last year, but what is in question is how much of that had to do with his situation and how much of it had to do with him. This is one of those questions that's impossible to answer and makes this game both fun and maddening for fantasy football owners. My gut feeling is that Jones has indeed lost a step. He only had two runs of more than 20 yards last season and rarely looked explosive. His situation was clearly made worse by the poor line, but I also don't think his mediocre season can be solely attributed to the O-line, either. I can certainly see why people are pegging him as a great value, and I don't necessarily disagree, depending on where you get him, but I also think that his ceiling is quite limited. I don't see him pulling a Jamal Lewis, as the Browns' passing attack really opened things up for Lewis, which is what some owners are likely hoping for. Jones has some protection in the sense that he doesn't have a talented young RB waiting to grab his job at the first opportunity, and it seems that the Jets really view Washington as nothing more than a change-of-pace back. Jones will be certainly be given every opportunity to succeed.In conclusion: great situation, questionable talent. My projection:290 carries, 1105 yds, 5 td's, 26 receptions, 180 yds, 0 td's.

those are better numbers than last year for TJ, and you think he's lost a step?290-310 carries, 4ypc, 7-8 TDs.last year, he had 15 rushing attempts inside the 5 (top-5 among RBs), and only had 1 TD to show for it. I doubt that happens again with 2 OL additions and Tony Richardson

I think he'll be greatly helped by Faneca and Richardson and I don't think the Jets will be as much of a mess this year, but I also think expectations have to be tempered because of the fact that I just don't think he's that great. So I'm predicting a slight uptick in YPC and TD's (he was unlucky, as you point out) but not the big leap that some are forecasting.

i hear ya. TJ aint great. But I think 4ypc at 300 carries, 7-8 TDs aren't great numbers. They're good numbers from a workhorse starting RB on a run-first team.

Those are Top 10 numbers...what the hell do you want from him?

 

[Chase Stuart]

If Jones plays 16 games, and doesn't lose time to Leon Washington:

320 carries, 1320 yards, 6 TDs; 25/150/0.

The Jets offensive line is going to be significantly improved this year. I'd be surprised if Jones ends up with a sub-4.0 YPC average again this year. Alan Faneca and Damien Woody could be perfectly average, and the Jets offensive line would be much improved.

 

[MCguidance]

Jones is an excellent back, who has averaged over 300 carries per each of the last 3 seasons. He should easily see it that many times and then some this year. Last season, he had 2 rookies blocking for him, at LT and Center. Those guys have a year under their belts and should be considerably improved. Allen Faneca is still one of the best run blockers in the game, his addition will be huge. If Mangold and Ferguson come into their own this year, Jones will have 3 guys with borderline pro-bowl ability blocking for him. Also, the Jets should finally go with Clemens, Pennington's arm was never respected by defenses, allowing them to stack against Jones. Clemens has the arm strength to burn defenses, and keep them honest. If the Jets defense keeps them in games, Jones will see a ton of carries this year.

340 Carries

1394 Yards

7 Touchdowns

30 Receptions

208 Receiving Yards

1602 Total Yards

7 Touchdowns

Not to be a jerk but, it was their second year since they were drafted in 2006. Ferguson should improve (I stress should) with Faneca along side him. MAngold is already very good, but also should get better. I like your predictions but I am a bit hesitant to sign off on almost 1400 yards rushing. Don't get me wrong, as a huge Jets fan, I would love it, I just see it a bit lower. 310 - 1250 - 8; 25 200 1

 

[Manster]

I very aggressively went after Jones this year as he is the #1 sleeper @ rb on my board. He had a descent year last year he was just missing td's. He put up 1300 yards total with a less than avg. offense. This year he gets a huge lift with Faneca being added in his corner. Faneca is the kind of guy that adds a 1/2 yard on your avg. for the year when he is signed to be on your team. Plus Jones gets the addition of Woody being singed as well. Woody might not be dominate now days but an upgrade from what they had and then add in Tony Richardson at fulback and you have one of the best running offensive lines in football. Even bigger than that is that if the coaching staff went out and signed these guys they obviously want to be a running team this year.

I could see Jones cracking THE TOP 10 this year

Projections

315 carries 1350 yards 11 td's

25 catches 180 yards

HUGE UPSIDE THIS YEAR

T.Jones is a decent back and the Jets have improved their team, but, 11 td's?? just dont see it.i'll say similar yr to last, maybe a couple more td's

 

[TaxMan]

Despite the fact that the Jets seemed dedicated to running the ball in 2007, and even more dedicated to the fact that Jones would get the very large majority of the carries, he was quite mediocre last year, scoring only 2 touchdowns and putting up his worst YPC since he became a lead back. This was a result of a poor line, an unsettled passing game, and, possibly, a drop-off in Jones' game/talent (more on that later).The Jets made a major move to address their line issues with the signing of Faneca as well as Damien Woody. Woody's old but he's still an upgrade if he can stay in shape. The rest of the line still isn't terrific (unless Ferguson realizes his potential, which is possible) but the addition of Richardson at fullback is another big positive and should also help Jones a great deal. What's even better is that these moves indicate that the Jets remain very dedicated to a power running game.The QB situation remains unresolved and a big question mark. It's hard to see it being worse than last year, and the Jets just need a serviceable QB who won't make mistakes and can keep defenses honest enough not to stack the line against Jones.Jones will enter the situation as a 30 year old, which usually raises a red flag, although the fact that he was used sparingly at the beginning of his career means that he might not wear down as quickly as other backs of a similar age. Still, it's worth pondering Jones' talent level at this point, and asking whether part of his poor showing in 2007 had to do with the fact that he's lost a step. There's no question that he didn't look good last year, but what is in question is how much of that had to do with his situation and how much of it had to do with him. This is one of those questions that's impossible to answer and makes this game both fun and maddening for fantasy football owners. My gut feeling is that Jones has indeed lost a step. He only had two runs of more than 20 yards last season and rarely looked explosive. His situation was clearly made worse by the poor line, but I also don't think his mediocre season can be solely attributed to the O-line, either. I can certainly see why people are pegging him as a great value, and I don't necessarily disagree, depending on where you get him, but I also think that his ceiling is quite limited. I don't see him pulling a Jamal Lewis, as the Browns' passing attack really opened things up for Lewis, which is what some owners are likely hoping for. Jones has some protection in the sense that he doesn't have a talented young RB waiting to grab his job at the first opportunity, and it seems that the Jets really view Washington as nothing more than a change-of-pace back. Jones will be certainly be given every opportunity to succeed.In conclusion: great situation, questionable talent. My projection:290 carries, 1105 yds, 5 td's, 26 receptions, 180 yds, 0 td's.

those are better numbers than last year for TJ, and you think he's lost a step?290-310 carries, 4ypc, 7-8 TDs.last year, he had 15 rushing attempts inside the 5 (top-5 among RBs), and only had 1 TD to show for it. I doubt that happens again with 2 OL additions and Tony Richardson

I think he'll be greatly helped by Faneca and Richardson and I don't think the Jets will be as much of a mess this year, but I also think expectations have to be tempered because of the fact that I just don't think he's that great. So I'm predicting a slight uptick in YPC and TD's (he was unlucky, as you point out) but not the big leap that some are forecasting.

i hear ya. TJ aint great. But I think 4ypc at 300 carries, 7-8 TDs aren't great numbers. They're good numbers from a workhorse starting RB on a run-first team.

Those are Top 10 numbers...what the hell do you want from him?

I said they were good numbers (1200 yds rushing, 7-8 TDs), not GREAT, and that's all he can do, and yeah, that's all a TJ owner should expect realistically.Great numbers are 1400 yds rushing 11-13 TDs. Not sure where I got you lost.

 

[Portis 26]

I am not sure Thomas Jones is going to win folks too many leagues. He'll be a solid, steady producer, but he is the kind of figure you buy low and sell high to acquire really explosive players - the kind who do win you championships.

I'm a little confused here. So he's not the kind of player who will win you your league but he's the kind who will win you championships?

He won't win you a league/championship. You should trade him to acquire more explosive players.

Why not just draft these explosive players instead of Jones and having to trade for them?

If you can, great, but the really explosive players tend to go early. When I draft, I also look to take players who I think are significantly under-rated and whom I can trade for more later in the season. If you can get Jones (relatively) late in a draft, then you can cash him in later after a few good games.

 

[BigRed]

TJones ypc last 3 years, 4.3, 4.1 and 3.6. With the OL improvements, I think 4.0-4.1 ypc this year is pretty much attainable.

Yeah but I wouldn't hold your breath. I wonder how often a go-to RB's YPC delined 3 yrs in a row and then took a notable turn upward, esp in his age range? I know they got Faneca/etc but I really have to wonder if last year wasn't the beginning of the end. There are a LOT of others I will aim for before him as RB2.

 

[teamroc]

He will have a bounce back year. I think with the addition of Alan Faneca and Tony Richardson, two guys that came from run first teams, will help out the running game. I predict 1200 rushing yards, 6 rushing touchdowns, 200 receiving yards, and 2 receiving touchdowns. Overall, the team should be better than it was last year.

Bounce back from what?He's had 1 good year out of 8. I see lots of people projecting a career year for TJ. Ehhh... He's 30, been a below average RB 90% of his career, and 1 FA olinemen won't change that. He's basically Reuben Droughns without a stop in Denver. (Reuben Droughns has 2 top 15 finishes, TJ 1)I think it's cool everyone is expecting a career year now that he's 30, but it's fairly unlikely. 1,000 yards, 3-4 tds. RB 20-25, which is what he's been 90% of his career. And value? Look at these projections. Suddenly he's a top 10 RB. There will be chumps drafting him in the 3rd round. Uh, no thanks. The Jets have an awful running attack. If you're starting TJ week 1 you badly mismanaged your draft. In any format. TJ is a great sleeper because he's put people to sleep his whole career. Snoooze. Sure he'd be a nice 6th round RB, but looking at these projections guys are going to be taking him in the 3rd. People did the same thing last year. It's the Benson effect. People thought he got a raw deal, he's now the starter, time to explode. Whooops. Now the Jets have fixed all their problems, time to fire up the TJ train again. When you're a RB20-40 for 7 out of 8 years in the NFL, that's probably what you are. Yes we all hate Benson, but TJ just isn't that good. Either is his brother. Cute little running back, girls like his jersey color, but I certainly won't be drafting him. 30 year old journeymen RBs having career years! yayayay! sleeper value! Let someone else scratch out their eye balls watching the Jets offense and prayin for a TD on superfan. Don't worry, you won't have to watch much, the Jets get into the redzone every 3rd game.

 

[teamroc]

TJones ypc last 3 years, 4.3, 4.1 and 3.6. With the OL improvements, I think 4.0-4.1 ypc this year is pretty much attainable.

Yeah but I wouldn't hold your breath. I wonder how often a go-to RB's YPC delined 3 yrs in a row and then took a notable turn upward, esp in his age range? I know they got Faneca/etc but I really have to wonder if last year wasn't the beginning of the end. There are a LOT of others I will aim for before him as RB2.

Good post.But there was no beginning for TJ. He's been an average RB all his career. He has this Doug Flutie quality because Benson screwed him out of town. That doesn't pay the FF bills. And either does TJs production.

 

[Anonymous Internet User]

He will have a bounce back year. I think with the addition of Alan Faneca and Tony Richardson, two guys that came from run first teams, will help out the running game. I predict 1200 rushing yards, 6 rushing touchdowns, 200 receiving yards, and 2 receiving touchdowns. Overall, the team should be better than it was last year.

Bounce back from what?He's had 1 good year out of 8. I see lots of people projecting a career year for TJ. Ehhh... He's 30, been a below average RB 90% of his career, and 1 FA olinemen won't change that. He's basically Reuben Droughns without a stop in Denver. (Reuben Droughns has 2 top 15 finishes, TJ 1)I think it's cool everyone is expecting a career year now that he's 30, but it's fairly unlikely. 1,000 yards, 3-4 tds. RB 20-25, which is what he's been 90% of his career. And value? Look at these projections. Suddenly he's a top 10 RB. There will be chumps drafting him in the 3rd round. Uh, no thanks. The Jets have an awful running attack. If you're starting TJ week 1 you badly mismanaged your draft. In any format. TJ is a great sleeper because he's put people to sleep his whole career. Snoooze. Sure he'd be a nice 6th round RB, but looking at these projections guys are going to be taking him in the 3rd. People did the same thing last year. It's the Benson effect. People thought he got a raw deal, he's now the starter, time to explode. Whooops. Now the Jets have fixed all their problems, time to fire up the TJ train again. When you're a RB20-40 for 7 out of 8 years in the NFL, that's probably what you are. Yes we all hate Benson, but TJ just isn't that good. Either is his brother. Cute little running back, girls like his jersey color, but I certainly won't be drafting him. 30 year old journeymen RBs having career years! yayayay! sleeper value! Let someone else scratch out their eye balls watching the Jets offense and prayin for a TD on superfan. Don't worry, you won't have to watch much, the Jets get into the redzone every 3rd game.

wow. pretty harsh. let's actually look at the numbers and situation a bit instead of acting stupid and pulling numbers out of thin air.Thomas Jones played his first 3 years for the crap-tastic Cardinals. He did nothing there. And you shouldn't expect him to have done anything there.He then played one season in Tampa Bay. He was never the starter, but put up a 4.6 YPC.He then played three seasons in Chicago, another town where you don't expect to see much out of RBs nowadays. While in Chicago, he never put up less than 1300 total yards or 6 TDs. Using, for example, WCOFF scoring he was the #11 RB in 2004, #10 RB in 2005, and #18 RB in 2006. Guess what? That's either RB1 or middle RB2 all three seasons.Last year he makes another move to the Jets. He finished as #22RB. Low-end RB2.So, he's been the starter on a team for 4 years in his career. In those years, he was never worse than #22 and he cracked the top 12 twice. His situation this season is likely to be the best he's ever seen in terms of surrounding talent. So, that's why he's being drafted in the range of #16-20 RB off the board. I, personally, think his ceiling is somewhere as RB 7-10. His floor is likely as RB22 unless you foresee injury or a drastic decline in skills. Given the fact that he's only had anywhere close to 300 carries 4 times in his career, I think it's unlikely he'll "age" significantly this season.

 

[H8fulHuck]

He will have a bounce back year. I think with the addition of Alan Faneca and Tony Richardson, two guys that came from run first teams, will help out the running game. I predict 1200 rushing yards, 6 rushing touchdowns, 200 receiving yards, and 2 receiving touchdowns. Overall, the team should be better than it was last year.

Bounce back from what?He's had 1 good year out of 8. I see lots of people projecting a career year for TJ. Ehhh... He's 30, been a below average RB 90% of his career, and 1 FA olinemen won't change that. He's basically Reuben Droughns without a stop in Denver. (Reuben Droughns has 2 top 15 finishes, TJ 1)I think it's cool everyone is expecting a career year now that he's 30, but it's fairly unlikely. 1,000 yards, 3-4 tds. RB 20-25, which is what he's been 90% of his career. And value? Look at these projections. Suddenly he's a top 10 RB. There will be chumps drafting him in the 3rd round. Uh, no thanks. The Jets have an awful running attack. If you're starting TJ week 1 you badly mismanaged your draft. In any format. TJ is a great sleeper because he's put people to sleep his whole career. Snoooze. Sure he'd be a nice 6th round RB, but looking at these projections guys are going to be taking him in the 3rd. People did the same thing last year. It's the Benson effect. People thought he got a raw deal, he's now the starter, time to explode. Whooops. Now the Jets have fixed all their problems, time to fire up the TJ train again. When you're a RB20-40 for 7 out of 8 years in the NFL, that's probably what you are. Yes we all hate Benson, but TJ just isn't that good. Either is his brother. Cute little running back, girls like his jersey color, but I certainly won't be drafting him. 30 year old journeymen RBs having career years! yayayay! sleeper value! Let someone else scratch out their eye balls watching the Jets offense and prayin for a TD on superfan. Don't worry, you won't have to watch much, the Jets get into the redzone every 3rd game.

wow. pretty harsh. let's actually look at the numbers and situation a bit instead of acting stupid and pulling numbers out of thin air.Thomas Jones played his first 3 years for the crap-tastic Cardinals. He did nothing there. And you shouldn't expect him to have done anything there.He then played one season in Tampa Bay. He was never the starter, but put up a 4.6 YPC.He then played three seasons in Chicago, another town where you don't expect to see much out of RBs nowadays. While in Chicago, he never put up less than 1300 total yards or 6 TDs. Using, for example, WCOFF scoring he was the #11 RB in 2004, #10 RB in 2005, and #18 RB in 2006. Guess what? That's either RB1 or middle RB2 all three seasons.Last year he makes another move to the Jets. He finished as #22RB. Low-end RB2.So, he's been the starter on a team for 4 years in his career. In those years, he was never worse than #22 and he cracked the top 12 twice. His situation this season is likely to be the best he's ever seen in terms of surrounding talent. So, that's why he's being drafted in the range of #16-20 RB off the board. I, personally, think his ceiling is somewhere as RB 7-10. His floor is likely as RB22 unless you foresee injury or a drastic decline in skills. Given the fact that he's only had anywhere close to 300 carries 4 times in his career, I think it's unlikely he'll "age" significantly this season.

This best situation in his career doesn't sound that appetizing. What D coordinator isn't going to stack the box and keep a lock on everything within 10 - 15 yards. Even with an improved line, it is looking like an uphill battle. That is why he is able to get over 1,000 yds and only 1TD last year. Until the Jets make the D play more of the field, TJ will be looking at the same to slightly better numbers next year.1200 yds with 4 TD

 

[bostonfred]

But there was no beginning for TJ. He's been an average RB all his career. He has this Doug Flutie quality because Benson screwed him out of town. That doesn't pay the FF bills. And either does TJs production.

I think that's a big misperception. Jones was a great player in college, and was drafted #5 overall as a result. He had problems with pluerisy early in Arizona, which was misdiagnosed as a rib injury. Once it was properly diagnosed, he started to get things together in Tampa, where he averaged 4.6 yards per carry, but got stuck sharing time with Michael Pittman and his 4.0 YPC. He then went to Chicago, where he outperformed a former rookie of the year, and outperformed a top four draft pick, behind the same line. In New York, he played for a four win team with a terrible line and a QB carousel. This year he should have much better blocking. He may have some competition for carries, but last year he had over 300 carries. A slight decrease in carries would be fine if he gets better YPC (he should) and better touchdown production (he almost has to). If that happens, he legitimately has top five potential, just like any other starting running back who gets the bulk of the carries for his team. I wouldn't go out of my way to acquire him, but he's a solid guy who could really help a team that starts with WR/WR or QB/WR. As an aside, he turns 30 in August, which is a slight concern this year. But it also makes him a great option as a cheap RB2 or RB3 in a dynasty league if his owner is more interested in the shiny new penny on your bench.

 

[teamroc]

wow. pretty harsh. let's actually look at the numbers and situation a bit instead of acting stupid and pulling numbers out of thin air.Thomas Jones played his first 3 years for the crap-tastic Cardinals. He did nothing there. And you shouldn't expect him to have done anything there.He then played one season in Tampa Bay. He was never the starter, but put up a 4.6 YPC.He then played three seasons in Chicago, another town where you don't expect to see much out of RBs nowadays. While in Chicago, he never put up less than 1300 total yards or 6 TDs. Using, for example, WCOFF scoring he was the #11 RB in 2004, #10 RB in 2005, and #18 RB in 2006. Guess what? That's either RB1 or middle RB2 all three seasons.Last year he makes another move to the Jets. He finished as #22RB. Low-end RB2.So, he's been the starter on a team for 4 years in his career. In those years, he was never worse than #22 and he cracked the top 12 twice. His situation this season is likely to be the best he's ever seen in terms of surrounding talent. So, that's why he's being drafted in the range of #16-20 RB off the board. I, personally, think his ceiling is somewhere as RB 7-10. His floor is likely as RB22 unless you foresee injury or a drastic decline in skills. Given the fact that he's only had anywhere close to 300 carries 4 times in his career, I think it's unlikely he'll "age" significantly this season.

He didn't crack the top 12 twice in FBG scoring (which is what I was using). Career finishes, 42, 42, 45, 38, 19, 9, 21, 22. His yards, ypc, and TDs are all getting worse over the last 3 years. Maybe age? Bad luck? Voodoo? What was his excuse last year? I didn't catch that.So lets see, he's bounced around 4 teams. That's a plus? He's 30, and about to have a career year? He is what he is. RB20-25. Oh that was in his prime. TJ isn't in his prime. That ends around 27-28 for RBs. He's a horrible RB2, and a decent bye week filler. People expecting a career year from TJ will be very disappointed. I'm not being harsh, look at his career. Top 15 once, that's not my fault. Once in 8 years. He is what he is. And I've had 0 carries in the NFL. I guess age isn't a factor for me. Scweet! Lets recap all the great pluses about TJ. 1) Bounced around 4 NFL teams2) Hasn't had a lot of carries3) Is now 30 years oldSCORE! He's fresh because he's not a very good RB. Chris Perry is really fresh too. And well rested. I'd rather TJ would have been a workhorse stud RB with one team and under 30. But none of that is true. I'm glad the journeymen RB is fresh due to lack of use. Makes me feel good starting him in FF.I'm not saying TJ is a peice of garbage. It's more the fact people think he's about to have a career year and put up top 10 numbers. That's beyond wishful thinking. He's never had double digit TDs, but a number of people here don't mind projecting that. Anyway, why did TJ bomb out last year? Blame it all on the Jets o-line? TJ is an average RB, who will give you average returns. He's Reuben Droughns, end of story. He'd start for maybe 6 teams in the NFL, and luckily for him the Jets are one of them.

 

[bostonfred]

In 2002, Curtis Martin has 261 carries for 1094 yards and 7 TDs with a 4.2 YPC. The next year, at age 30, Martin had more carries (323), but for only 4.0 YPC, and he only got two TDs. The following year, at 31, Martin put up 1397 yards and 12 TDs with a 4.6 YPC.

Thomas Jones is no Curtis Martin. But I don't subscribe to the idea that it was all his fault that he didn't get scoring opportunities, or that he can't possibly improve his YPC at age 30 despite the offensive line improvementss. He's an every down back, a capable receiver, and he's arguably the best player on his offense. Those are the kinds of guys who surprise everyone when they follow up a bad year with a monster year.

 

[Scooby1974]

Last year Thomas Jones had over 1300 total yards on a team with a craptastic offensive and defensive line and poor QB play. The Jets have made huge strides this year to improve BOTH lines which means two things. 1. the running game should improve and 2. the Def should see the field less thereby giving the Offense more chances to score. On top of throwing a ton of money at the O and D line they also picked up FB Tony Richardson and intend to run him in front of TJones to open even more holes. What's not to like?

Everything the Jets did will improve the running game's chances. I'm not saying TJones is going to be a top 10 RB this year, but if he puts up another 1300 total yards and increases his unlikey 2 TD's to 8-10 TD's you are looking at a solid #2 RB.

Name some names here...what running backs put up 1300 total yards and 8-10 TD's last year?

 

[Chase Stuart]

His yards, ypc, and TDs are all getting worse over the last 3 years.

Actually, his yards, YPC, and TDs have decline in only two straight years.

 

[Scooby1974]

Steven Jackson: 1300 and 6 TD's (granted there was injury involved)

Gore: 1500 and 6 TD's

Lynch: 1400 and 8 TD's

Grant: 1100 and 8 TD's (in fewer games)

McGahee: 1400 and 8 TD's

maroney: 900+ yards and 6 TD's

Jacobs: 1200 + 6 TD's (injuries)

Willie Parker: 1500 yards + 2 TD's (not the goaline back)

TJones is in pretty decent company yardage wise...................will the Jets be able to get better field position with a better D? Will they sustain more drives with the improvements to the O line?

I'm no Pro Scout...but even I could see that there was some significant RB talent waiting for the Jets at their #6/#30/113/162/171/211 picks and yet they opted to go Def line/ TE/DB/QB/WR/OT. The Jets had a great opportunity to fill their RB spot if they really felt TJones couldn't fit the bill.

Vote TJones in '08

 

[On The Rocks]

I am liking Mr. Jones a bit more now that Favre is around - Any predictions on his ADP going up or down?

 

[Deuce'sWild]

I think Favre will at least back the defense up and keep them honest...which Pennington and Clemens were incapable of.

improved OL

improved QB

solid WRs

decent DEF

I think he's a good value RB for where he's going.

I'd say 1230 yds rushing with 7 tds, 135 rec with 1 td.

Great numbers for a guy going pretty late in most drafts.

 

[amphibianbri]

All the signs are good here:

Favre will thrown the screen

Favre keeps D's honest

Line is much better

T. Jones: 300 carries / 1260 yards 30 receptions / 225 yards TD's up to 7

 

[MCguidance]

I am not going to suggest that TJ is going to be top 5, but I do think he has a legitimate shot at top 10, again. IMO, one of the biggest reasons why is Tony Richardson.

 

[brednbuddah]

All the signs are good here:Favre will thrown the screenFavre keeps D's honestLine is much betterT. Jones: 300 carries / 1260 yards 30 receptions / 225 yards TD's up to 7

4.2 ypc, is a fair estimate, maybe 4.3. 8 TDs.

 

[SCT]

I am liking Mr. Jones a bit more now that Favre is around - Any predictions on his ADP going up or down?

I can't think of a reason that Favre's arrival would cause TJs ADP to go down. Unfortunately. It's been 5.01 forever according to this siite. Has anyone else noticed that the adp's (updated 7/30) are absolutely NO different than a month ago?