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Players on the Fall? (1 Viewer)
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Jeff Tefertiller
Footballguy
I will start:
1. Michael Vick
who wants to take it from here?
1. Michael Vick
who wants to take it from here?
whodeywhodey
Footballguy
2. Chris Henry
That was easy.
Honestly to me its MJD. Its not that I don't think he's a talented young back - I do. But I think that he had an OUTSTANDING year last year and if you know that he'll duplicate it then his ADP justifies where he is being drafted. But he's just going way too high for me. I think that he has a decent year but comes way back to earth.
I know that a lot of you on here have been drinking the MJD-ade and that's fine. Just my opinion.
That was easy.
Honestly to me its MJD. Its not that I don't think he's a talented young back - I do. But I think that he had an OUTSTANDING year last year and if you know that he'll duplicate it then his ADP justifies where he is being drafted. But he's just going way too high for me. I think that he has a decent year but comes way back to earth.
I know that a lot of you on here have been drinking the MJD-ade and that's fine. Just my opinion.
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ebcpastor2004
Footballguy
3. Reggie Williams (looks like it around here anyway) 
Woody Paige
Footballguy
Santana Moss
His groin/hip problems continue to plague him in camp so far and after a disappointing 2006 season, I think there are reasons for concern.
Jay Cutler
With Rod Smith, Brandon Marshall, and Tony Scheffler yet to see the field as of yet, I see Cutler stumbling early in the season. Add Brandon Stokley who gets hurt combing his hair, chemistry will be an issue for Cutler and his receiving corps. Long term Cutler will be fine but he will struggle early.
His groin/hip problems continue to plague him in camp so far and after a disappointing 2006 season, I think there are reasons for concern.
Jay Cutler
With Rod Smith, Brandon Marshall, and Tony Scheffler yet to see the field as of yet, I see Cutler stumbling early in the season. Add Brandon Stokley who gets hurt combing his hair, chemistry will be an issue for Cutler and his receiving corps. Long term Cutler will be fine but he will struggle early.
identikit
Footballguy
Which Chris Henry?Or both?Id
ebcpastor2004
Footballguy
THE WOODY PAIGE? WOW?
picked a Bronco too...
whodeywhodey
Footballguy
Driver, his shoulder and the lack of a run game scare me too.
EBF
Footballguy
Brandon Jacobs - No player with his dimensions has ever become a successful NFL featured back. I think he'll be decent in 2007, but I don't view him as the long-term answer in NYG.
Larry Johnson - LJ has lots of strikes against him. He plays on an aging team, his supporting cast isn't very good, he'd holding out, and he's coming off a 400+ carry season (the death knell for RBs). I think he stands a very realistic chance of disappointing.
Terrell Owens - I'm in the camp who thinks he's on the decline. TO always relied on superior physical skills to dominate (he's not a craftsman like Harrison or Holt). Now that his physical skills are waning, his days as an elite WR are probably almost over.
Rudi Johnson - Call it a hunch, but I think Rudi's FF value has peaked. And while his decline might not be starting quite yet, it's a decent time to sell.
Jamal Lewis - Done.
Warrick Dunn - Done.
Chester Taylor - Couldn't hold Peterson's jock even if he was made out of Stickum. Days as a starter are over.
Muhsin Muhammad - From what I hear, Berrian is the #1 now. With Bradley chomping at his heels, Moose might be a candidate for the abyss next offseason. This year's version of last year's Keyshawn?
Isaac Bruce - Pretty much the same story as Muhammad.
Larry Johnson - LJ has lots of strikes against him. He plays on an aging team, his supporting cast isn't very good, he'd holding out, and he's coming off a 400+ carry season (the death knell for RBs). I think he stands a very realistic chance of disappointing.
Terrell Owens - I'm in the camp who thinks he's on the decline. TO always relied on superior physical skills to dominate (he's not a craftsman like Harrison or Holt). Now that his physical skills are waning, his days as an elite WR are probably almost over.
Rudi Johnson - Call it a hunch, but I think Rudi's FF value has peaked. And while his decline might not be starting quite yet, it's a decent time to sell.
Jamal Lewis - Done.
Warrick Dunn - Done.
Chester Taylor - Couldn't hold Peterson's jock even if he was made out of Stickum. Days as a starter are over.
Muhsin Muhammad - From what I hear, Berrian is the #1 now. With Bradley chomping at his heels, Moose might be a candidate for the abyss next offseason. This year's version of last year's Keyshawn?
Isaac Bruce - Pretty much the same story as Muhammad.
Pretty good list. I hate sticking a fork in Owens, but he does carry significantly more risk than the rest of the top-tier WR's.I'd add Portis. This may be more a perception than a reality thing, but I think he'll be used extremely sparingly, if at all, this preseason, so there will be a lot of angst over selecting him anywhere early. His ADP should probably drop some more...EBF said:
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Eli Manning - I was expecting him to break out last year. Didn't happen. Now with no Tiki, an offensive line in flux, and a WR corps that's not exciting anyone, I expect even worse this year.
Ben Watson - Again, a guy I expected big things from last year. Didn't happen. Add Moss, Stallworth, & Welker and what's left?
Hines Ward - I think Holmes will emerge & steal a lot of catches. Plus, if rumors of running more 3/4 WR sets are true, it spreads the ball around.
Shaun Alexander - He has excellent vision, but not exceptional skills like an LT - especially if the foot isn't fully healed. With the decline of his o-line the last two years (Hutch via free agency and Jones via age, the rest simply through turnover) I don't think he ever comes close to the status he enjoyed two years ago.
Ben Watson - Again, a guy I expected big things from last year. Didn't happen. Add Moss, Stallworth, & Welker and what's left?
Hines Ward - I think Holmes will emerge & steal a lot of catches. Plus, if rumors of running more 3/4 WR sets are true, it spreads the ball around.
Shaun Alexander - He has excellent vision, but not exceptional skills like an LT - especially if the foot isn't fully healed. With the decline of his o-line the last two years (Hutch via free agency and Jones via age, the rest simply through turnover) I don't think he ever comes close to the status he enjoyed two years ago.
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And don't forget who his offensive coordinator is now. *shivers*
Monsters of the Midway
Footballguy
I'll go with
LJ - Waaay too many carries last year, lost a HOF OL for the 2nd year in a row, his QB is Brody Croyle, holdout
Shaun Alexander - Decent numbers at the end of the year but looked awfully slow, I don't think he rebounds
Rudi Johnson - Showed signs of decline last year and just b/c he's gone 1250/12 3 years in a row is no guarantee that he's going to do it this year
Marvin Harrison - purely gut feel that he gets overtaken by Wayne this year. Of course, I said that last year...
Tony Gonzalez - TEs age quicker than you think
I think that Jamal Lewis will have a good year-1100 and 9 or 10. He fought bone spurs all of last season (had to get a painkiller every week for it), Cle's OL looks good and he'll be a workhorse. There's the old "he's in great shape, he looks great in camp" kudos from Peter King, for whatever that's worth. I think he makes a very good RB3/4 (ADP: RB28) this year.
LJ - Waaay too many carries last year, lost a HOF OL for the 2nd year in a row, his QB is Brody Croyle, holdout
Shaun Alexander - Decent numbers at the end of the year but looked awfully slow, I don't think he rebounds
Rudi Johnson - Showed signs of decline last year and just b/c he's gone 1250/12 3 years in a row is no guarantee that he's going to do it this year
Marvin Harrison - purely gut feel that he gets overtaken by Wayne this year. Of course, I said that last year...
Tony Gonzalez - TEs age quicker than you think
I think that Jamal Lewis will have a good year-1100 and 9 or 10. He fought bone spurs all of last season (had to get a painkiller every week for it), Cle's OL looks good and he'll be a workhorse. There's the old "he's in great shape, he looks great in camp" kudos from Peter King, for whatever that's worth. I think he makes a very good RB3/4 (ADP: RB28) this year.
Cowboys#1
Footballguy
I agree with all of the above. ESPECIALLY Hines Ward. I really think Holmes will emerge as the #1 in Pittsburgh and take a bunch of catches away from Ward. Couple that with Nate Washington emerging as a decent WR leads me to believe that Hines Ward is not worth his ADP.
On The Rocks
Footballguy
Kevin KillDrive!
H.K.
Footballguy
From NFL.com:Jacobs is 6'4" and 264
George was 6'3" and 235
That's like saying Bush (6'0 and 203) has the same dimensions as Deuce (6'1" and 232). Hey, it's only one inch of height and about 30 pounds, right?
Also, George was a Heisman trophy winner as a feature RB from a major program. Jacobs couldn't even make the second team at Auburn and was in an RBBC at Southern-Freaking-Illinois.
There is zero comparison to George and Jacobs. None.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
The Ref
Footballguy
Interesting, I see a lot of people in here just saying who they don't like (see Jacobs for example) . I think the topic is who is declining because of recent real news, not thoughts and feelings.
I say LJ has to be in decline because of his holdout risk and is started to be drafted later then #3.
I say Vick for obvious reasons.
I say Reggie Williams because of the depth chart story.
I say Edge because of the short yardage story.
I say TO because of the Back MRI, even though he cleared.
I say Randy Moss as he is sitting out already.
I say W Dunn because he is missing camp with the injury.
I say the Colt O as a whole due to the retirement of Glenn.
Driver is a mixed boat - injury report but a new contract (telling me it can't be that bad).
I say LJ has to be in decline because of his holdout risk and is started to be drafted later then #3.
I say Vick for obvious reasons.
I say Reggie Williams because of the depth chart story.
I say Edge because of the short yardage story.
I say TO because of the Back MRI, even though he cleared.
I say Randy Moss as he is sitting out already.
I say W Dunn because he is missing camp with the injury.
I say the Colt O as a whole due to the retirement of Glenn.
Driver is a mixed boat - injury report but a new contract (telling me it can't be that bad).
Real Man of Genius
Footballguy
I thought players on the rise used actual statistical data (i.e. players whose numbers had increased a couple of seasons consecutively)? Most of the names thrown out in here seem like opinions. Hasn't Torry Holt's production declined every year since his huge 2003 season?
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
I'm not sure about that. Glenn was a bit overrated and Ugoh is apparently impressing.If anything, it may reduce Addai's numbers as he stays in to help block a bit.
MarcO
Footballguy
interesting that Alexander has been mentioned twice - I hope that this is consensus opinion of him out there because I think he goes back to duplicating his "average season" - 300 carries 1400-1500 yards and 15-20 TDs. Alexander has never relied on his blazing speed and moves to get his yards. He paltiently runs behind his line and pick his holes and then goes. Holmgren noted that he looks faster and leaner this camp. Also remember, it wasn't just losing Hutch last year that disrupted the O-line play - it was injuries to every member of the line except Walter Jones. The O-line is healthy this year and they are talented enough to put them at he top half of the league. IMHO - undervalue Alexander at your own risk.
-Crippler-
Footballguy
Not easy when 2 1st round NFL draft picks are on the same team...including the best RB in the entire NFL draft that year Of course, we can all conveniently leave that out like you and pretend that we know what we are all talking about
Kiddnets
Footballguy
first I heard of Moss having problems - any links?
Maven
Footballguy
You are in for a serious surprise this year. Jacobs is going to kill. Watch this clip and tell me he can't get atleast 10tds?http://www.khanhdom.com/?page.id=1000190&a...p=brandonjacobs
Jacobs is 6'4" and 264
George was 6'3" and 235
That's like saying Bush (6'0 and 203) has the same dimensions as Deuce (6'1" and 232). Hey, it's only one inch of height and about 30 pounds, right?
Also, George was a Heisman trophy winner as a feature RB from a major program. Jacobs couldn't even make the second team at Auburn and was in an RBBC at Southern-Freaking-Illinois.
There is zero comparison to George and Jacobs. None.
4 - Digit Shark
Footballguy
While I too think Holmes will get better and take catches away from Ward, Nate Washington is in no way emerging as a decent WR. He is very althletic and a camp darling at times, but he has not shown to be emerging in any way. If he keeps playing like he did in the first preseason game, he may be looking for work.
Woody Paige
Footballguy
Monkeyface Prickleback
Footballguy
Which is why I don't get the "Hines Ward is in decline" thing.
EBF
Footballguy
It's nonsense. Ward is still the WR1 and still one of the best WR bets in FF. He's been hampered by minor injuries lately, but he'll have a solid year. 1000-1300 yards with 6-12 TDs.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
EBF
Footballguy
He's the WR1 on the Steelers.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Gottabesweet
Footballguy
EBF
Footballguy
He did fine with Burress around. I see no reason why he can't have another top 10-15 season. His ppg has remained pretty good and his skills haven't declined noticeably.
EBF
Footballguy
I like Holmes. Do a search if you don't believe me. I've been hyping him up all offseason. But I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss Hines Ward. He doesn't get the media attention of a guy like Chad Johnson, but he's one of the best WRs in the game. He'll get his yards.
benson_will_lead_the_way
Footballguy
Two top 5 picks at that.-Crippler- said:Not easy when 2 1st round NFL draft picks are on the same team...including the best RB in the entire NFL draft that year Of course, we can all conveniently leave that out like you and pretend that we know what we are all talking aboutH.K. said:
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Yes he will. Just less of them.EBF said:
EBF
Footballguy
I think Ward/Holmes will do their best CJ/Housh impersonation next year. Both players are solid picks, IMO.But I think the talk of Holmes overtaking Ward is just as silly as the talk of Housh overtaking Chad or (in previous seasons) the talk of Wayne overtaking Harrison. Will it happen eventually? Maybe. Next year? Doubt it. But both guys have a reasonable chance of posting 1,000-1,200 receiving yards.Yes he will. Just less of them.EBF said:
4 - Digit Shark
Footballguy
While I don't think Holmes will overtake Ward this year, you may want to double check the above statement.According to FBG's scoring, TJ Housh out scored CJ in 10 of the 14 games they both played and out scored him overall 162.7 to 161.3 in the 14 games they both played. I think he may have already over taken CJ.I think Ward/Holmes will do their best CJ/Housh impersonation next year. Both players are solid picks, IMO.But I think the talk of Holmes overtaking Ward is just as silly as the talk of Housh overtaking Chad or (in previous seasons) the talk of Wayne overtaking Harrison.Yes he will. Just less of them.EBF said:
Will it happen eventually? Maybe. Next year? Doubt it. But both guys have a reasonable chance of posting 1,000-1,200 receiving yards.
