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It's a woah for me.Hardly qualifies as a woah,
Are you Bill Walton ?I hate the Steelers More than any other team in the NFL, but I have felt for a long time Troy was the best safety in the game and perhaps ever and played the game full tilt on every play. In my opinion he had the greatest interception in the history of the league. He is a player I am sad to see retire, he was truly a great one and played the game the way it was meant to be played.
I'm not specifically a Steeler fan but otherwise I agree with all of this. I'm glad Polamalu got to make a dignified exit. Few players do.Hardly qualifies as a woah, it was either this or playing for a low salary in a place like Tennessee.
As a Steeler fan I'll miss him greatly. In his prime he was as enjoyable a player to watch as any Steeler I can ever recall.
That being said I'm very pleased to see this news tonight because the alternative would have been him getting cut and playing out his career as a faded player with another team.
I have to say, it is interesting how many (not all) of the Steelers greats choose to retire versus take a farewell deal somewhere else.The Steelers sure like their players and coaches "retiring".
If this is really Polamalu going out on his own, more power to him.
Three retired safeties with potential HOF resumes. Since the Hall has historically frowned on safeties, which one do you value more?Next stop... Canton!
/salute Troy. What an amazing player.
Player 1
9 Pro Bowls
5 First team AllPro
64 INT 1590 yds 7 TD
6 sacks 531 tackles 112 assists
Player 2
8 Pro Bowls
4 First team AllPro
32 INT 398 yds 3 TD
12 sacks 581 tackles 197 assists
Player 3
9 Pro Bowls
4 First AllPro
37 INT 513 yds 2 TD
26 sacks 895 tackles 236 assists
Whichever one was the best, most dominant player on the field. Which statistics will almost never tell you, since offenses go to great lengths to avoid dominant players when possible.Three retired safeties with potential HOF resumes. Since the Hall has historically frowned on safeties, which one do you value more?Next stop... Canton!
/salute Troy. What an amazing player.
Player 1
9 Pro Bowls
5 First team AllPro
64 INT 1590 yds 7 TD
6 sacks 531 tackles 112 assists
Player 2
8 Pro Bowls
4 First team AllPro
32 INT 398 yds 3 TD
12 sacks 581 tackles 197 assists
Player 3
9 Pro Bowls
4 First AllPro
37 INT 513 yds 2 TD
26 sacks 895 tackles 236 assists
<_< Nashville is awesome.Hardly qualifies as a woah, it was either this or playing for a low salary in a place like Tennessee.
As a Steeler fan I'll miss him greatly. In his prime he was as enjoyable a player to watch as any Steeler I can ever recall.
That being said I'm very pleased to see this news tonight because the alternative would have been him getting cut and playing out his career as a faded player with another team.
Amen.Whichever one was the best, most dominant player on the field. Which statistics will almost never tell you, since offenses go to great lengths to avoid dominant players when possible.Three retired safeties with potential HOF resumes. Since the Hall has historically frowned on safeties, which one do you value more?Next stop... Canton!
/salute Troy. What an amazing player.
Player 1
9 Pro Bowls
5 First team AllPro
64 INT 1590 yds 7 TD
6 sacks 531 tackles 112 assists
Player 2
8 Pro Bowls
4 First team AllPro
32 INT 398 yds 3 TD
12 sacks 581 tackles 197 assists
Player 3
9 Pro Bowls
4 First AllPro
37 INT 513 yds 2 TD
26 sacks 895 tackles 236 assists![]()
Maybe it's possible that offenses avoided more than one of these players?Freelove said:Whichever one was the best, most dominant player on the field. Which statistics will almost never tell you, since offenses go to great lengths to avoid dominant players when possible.JaxBill said:Three retired safeties with potential HOF resumes. Since the Hall has historically frowned on safeties, which one do you value more?BigSteelThrill said:Next stop... Canton!
/salute Troy. What an amazing player.
Player 1
9 Pro Bowls
5 First team AllPro
64 INT 1590 yds 7 TD
6 sacks 531 tackles 112 assists
Player 2
8 Pro Bowls
4 First team AllPro
32 INT 398 yds 3 TD
12 sacks 581 tackles 197 assists
Player 3
9 Pro Bowls
4 First AllPro
37 INT 513 yds 2 TD
26 sacks 895 tackles 236 assists![]()
Take Dawkins on his own merits.Maybe it's possible that offenses avoided more than one of these players?Freelove said:Whichever one was the best, most dominant player on the field. Which statistics will almost never tell you, since offenses go to great lengths to avoid dominant players when possible.JaxBill said:Three retired safeties with potential HOF resumes. Since the Hall has historically frowned on safeties, which one do you value more?BigSteelThrill said:Next stop... Canton!
/salute Troy. What an amazing player.
Player 1
9 Pro Bowls
5 First team AllPro
64 INT 1590 yds 7 TD
6 sacks 531 tackles 112 assists
Player 2
8 Pro Bowls
4 First team AllPro
32 INT 398 yds 3 TD
12 sacks 581 tackles 197 assists
Player 3
9 Pro Bowls
4 First AllPro
37 INT 513 yds 2 TD
26 sacks 895 tackles 236 assists![]()
Entirely possible, and even probable. Does nothing to change the fact that the stats are meaningless in describing them. I don't know who's who by looking, and don't much care, since...wait for it...the stats aren't meaningful.Maybe it's possible that offenses avoFreelove said:Whichever one was the best, most dominant player on the field. Which statistics will almost never tell you, since offenses go to great lengths to avoid dominant players when possible.JaxBill said:Three retired safeties with potential HOF resumes. Since the Hall has historically frowned on safeties, which one do you value more?BigSteelThrill said:Next stop... Canton!
/salute Troy. What an amazing player.
Player 1
9 Pro Bowls
5 First team AllPro
64 INT 1590 yds 7 TD
6 sacks 531 tackles 112 assists
Player 2
8 Pro Bowls
4 First team AllPro
32 INT 398 yds 3 TD
12 sacks 581 tackles 197 assists
Player 3
9 Pro Bowls
4 First AllPro
37 INT 513 yds 2 TD
26 sacks 895 tackles 236 assists![]()
Player 4 (not in the HOF)And Dawkins merits include comparable number of Pro Bowls/ All Pros, comparable INT to Polamalu and considerably more sacks/tackles than either.
I thought Reed's numbers were surprising for the startling number of INT and the comparatively low number of sacks/tackles.
ETA: The player stats in order are Reed, Polamalu, Dawkins
CB D. SandersI think Ed Reed was better
i think Ed Reed was a better coverage type defender and ball in the air guy.I think Ed Reed was better
LeRoy Butler.Player 4 (not in the HOF)And Dawkins merits include comparable number of Pro Bowls/ All Pros, comparable INT to Polamalu and considerably more sacks/tackles than either.
I thought Reed's numbers were surprising for the startling number of INT and the comparatively low number of sacks/tackles.
ETA: The player stats in order are Reed, Polamalu, Dawkins
4 Pro Bowls
4 First team All Pro
38 INT 533 yds 1 TD
20.5 sacks 721 tackles 168 assists
The play at the :44 mark in this video exemplifies the way Troy played and shows off his explosiveness. C. Johnson takes a pitch and everyone is blocked except for Troy who is off the screen... I remember watching this play live (pretty sure it was a Monday or Sunday night game) as it unfolded and I thought Johnson had a big gain and worried he might take it to the house. Then out of nowhere, moving exponentially faster than some of the best athletes on the planet, Troy rockets into the picture and blows up Johnson for a loss on the play. Remarkable.FUBAR said:
I think guys like Butler are on all time franchise best lists but are just in that tier one level below HOF.JaxBill said:LeRoy Butler.Player 4 (not in the HOF)And Dawkins merits include comparable number of Pro Bowls/ All Pros, comparable INT to Polamalu and considerably more sacks/tackles than either.
I thought Reed's numbers were surprising for the startling number of INT and the comparatively low number of sacks/tackles.
ETA: The player stats in order are Reed, Polamalu, Dawkins
4 Pro Bowls
4 First team All Pro
38 INT 533 yds 1 TD
20.5 sacks 721 tackles 168 assists
Saw a tweet last night that the only HOF-eligible defensive players with 4+ First team All pros that were NOT in the HOF were Butler and Zach Thomas.