Polian & St. Dungy Whining Again (1 Viewer)

[Chase Stuart]

The interesting thing is that it's primarily Patriots & Red Sox fans. YOu could say the celts & Bruins aren't good enough right now, and that might be the point, but... I went to school in Massachusetts in the 80's. Celtic fans - even when they were really good in the 1980's, weren't like this - and I'm a Sixer fan. That was a pretty heated rivalry. On the other hand, Pats fans were un-bear-able before getting shuffled out of the Super Bowl; and I thanked those Bears for the demolition of the Pats. The Red Sox fans weren't bad in the '80s, either, but are much worse now.I'm rooting for the Red Sox because of Schilling, whom I like, even though I hate their fans - they remind me of the the bad, dumb Philly sports fans that are around here in droves.

Hey, these are people who fleeced the United States with the big-dig then went out and legalized gay marraige licenses.

They also like to combined saltwater and Earl Grey.

 

[NE_REVIVAL]

I'm beginning to understand why people like the Pats, and don't like Pat fans. You guys have no idea how to handle success. Pick up any excuse to show how they're not getting respect. I think they must actually go out and do research looking for for specific examples of how they're not getting respect. My Lord, give my Falcons half your success this decade, and you can disrepect me til the cows come home.

Man I am so sick of this BS.How does someone posting an article about Indy whining to the league (again) equal Pats fans "using any excuse to show how they are not getting respect"???Of course it doesn't have anything to with your condemnation of Pats fans, but it allows the half-witted haters on this board to turn this subject/discussion/thread into an "gee aren't the Pats and their fans terrible" circle jerk, just like so many other threads and discussions.I am not defending all Pats fans, but for Christ sake if you want to call out Pats fans playing the dis-respect card then why don't you at least do it in a thread where it is actually happening? But we know why don't we.........

 

[ack34]

If NY only had one team in each sport, they'd be just as bad at telling the world they have sports teams. Boston has severe penis envy.

The Irish curse?

Well, Boston isn't exactly known for it's "ethnic flavor".

 

[dudaman]

If NY only had one team in each sport, they'd be just as bad at telling the world they have sports teams. Boston has severe penis envy.

The Irish curse?

Well, Boston isn't exactly known for it's "ethnic flavor".

This is a naive and idiotic statement. Those days are over - just because you subscribe to the "Barry Bonds Bogus Beliefs" article does not mean it's true. Boy, did this thread take a turn for the worse.

 

[Crusaderfan]

I'm beginning to understand why people like the Pats, and don't like Pat fans. You guys have no idea how to handle success. Pick up any excuse to show how they're not getting respect. I think they must actually go out and do research looking for for specific examples of how they're not getting respect. My Lord, give my Falcons half your success this decade, and you can disrepect me til the cows come home.

I'm another one that is starting to turn against the Pats because of their fans - mainly on here. Our son went to college in Massachusetts and we started following the Pats because he did. I always liked the Red Sox. But the attitude of Pats fans on this board is pretty obnoxious and I'm starting to hope that somebody beats them just to calm all of this crap down. Anybody that makes any kind of statement about the Pats that isn't filled with the highest praise gets a ton of posts picking apart everything they say.Sorry but I have no axe to grind or anything but it's getting to be to much for me.

 

[tombonneau]

Anybody that makes any kind of statement about the Pats that isn't filled with the highest praise gets a ton of posts picking apart everything they say.

Kind of like how a Pats fan posts anything on here they get torn apart. Interesting how that works ...I posted a thread about Polian being a whiner, didn't juxtapose my thread in anyway as a reference to the Pats and their "need for respect" and I'm a "whiny tool."I suppose people were reading Felger's piece and putting his words in my mouth, but that was the article where I read about the Colts complaint so that's what I posted.I'd say the anti-Pats Fan brigade outweighs the "whiny Pats fan tool" contingent by a solid 10-to-1 margin on this board.

 

[SeniorVBDStudent]

It's a great time to be a fan in New England...

The Pats are tearing up the league.

The Red Sox are up 2-0 and may even sweep.

The Celtics have KG.

Heck, even #2 ranked Boston College (I can't even believed I typed that: "#2 ranked Boston College"? is that even possible?) came back last night in a miracle finish to keep their unbeaten season alive.

You would think they would be too sated with victories to spend too much time discussing articles like these.

And you would be wrong...

Please go away, New England homers. You're kings of the world, all right? We all bow before you. Now please leave us alone...

I love irony.

 

[eom]

hahahaha...an article about the colts gets turned into another pats thread by the anti-pats whiners!

hahahahahahahaha!!!!

I think some people around here have pats on the brain....

 

[timschochet]

hahahaha...an article about the colts gets turned into another pats thread by the anti-pats whiners!hahahahahahahaha!!!!I think some people around here have pats on the brain....

You forgot to write "Pats by 30"Was it an oversight?

 

[yetiknight]

Bill Polian is just doing his job IMO. He is one of the best GM's in NFL history. His complaints must have some legitimacy or they wouldn't make any difference. I know its hard to except, but every team files complaints every year. And furthermore, every team is guilty of trying to steal the other team's signals.

In fantasy football, every league has someone who tries to take every rule to the limit. Conversely, there will be someone who claims that some things aren't fair. One seems like a cheater and the other a whiner. Chances are both teams win more than they lose.

 

[SeniorVBDStudent]

Bill Polian is just doing his job IMO. He is one of the best GM's in NFL history. His complaints must have some legitimacy or they wouldn't make any difference. I know its hard to except, but every team files complaints every year. And furthermore, every team is guilty of trying to steal the other team's signals.

In fantasy football, every league has someone who tries to take every rule to the limit. Conversely, there will be someone who claims that some things aren't fair. One seems like a cheater and the other a whiner. Chances are both teams win more than they lose.

He is a whiner, a manipulator, and a chronic loser who stumbled into a superbowl championship last year because Richard Seymour twisted an ankle.He will resume his rightful place as the posterboy for second place soon enough.

 

[timschochet]

Bill Polian is just doing his job IMO. He is one of the best GM's in NFL history. His complaints must have some legitimacy or they wouldn't make any difference. I know its hard to except, but every team files complaints every year. And furthermore, every team is guilty of trying to steal the other team's signals.

In fantasy football, every league has someone who tries to take every rule to the limit. Conversely, there will be someone who claims that some things aren't fair. One seems like a cheater and the other a whiner. Chances are both teams win more than they lose.

He is a whiner, a manipulator, and a chronic loser who stumbled into a superbowl championship last year because Richard Seymour twisted an ankle.He will resume his rightful place as the posterboy for second place soon enough.

Here we have a prime example of how the New England homer looks at the world. Indy only "stumbled" into a Superbowl Championship last year because Seymour got hurt. It had nothing to do with Peyton's heroics, Indy's def coming alive in the playoffs.The year before, the Steelers "stumbled" into a Superbowl championship because the refs killed the Pats in their game against Denver, which they would have won 9 times out of 10. By all rights, New England should be 5 time SB champs already.

What will their excuse be this year, when they lose in the playoffs? (I hope)

 

[SeniorVBDStudent]

Bill Polian is just doing his job IMO. He is one of the best GM's in NFL history. His complaints must have some legitimacy or they wouldn't make any difference. I know its hard to except, but every team files complaints every year. And furthermore, every team is guilty of trying to steal the other team's signals.

In fantasy football, every league has someone who tries to take every rule to the limit. Conversely, there will be someone who claims that some things aren't fair. One seems like a cheater and the other a whiner. Chances are both teams win more than they lose.

He is a whiner, a manipulator, and a chronic loser who stumbled into a superbowl championship last year because Richard Seymour twisted an ankle.He will resume his rightful place as the posterboy for second place soon enough.

Here we have a prime example of how the New England homer looks at the world. Indy only "stumbled" into a Superbowl Championship last year because Seymour got hurt. It had nothing to do with Peyton's heroics, Indy's def coming alive in the playoffs.The year before, the Steelers "stumbled" into a Superbowl championship because the refs killed the Pats in their game against Denver, which they would have won 9 times out of 10. By all rights, New England should be 5 time SB champs already.

What will their excuse be this year, when they lose in the playoffs? (I hope)

The Steelers deserve to be congratulated as they are a real football team, as is Denver, whose coach owns Belichick. Neither of these teams rely on a "plug and play" defense comprised of two playmakers and 9 replaceable widgets. Pittsburg, Denver and New England play real defense, not the embarassment that is "Tampa 2".

 

[ChromeWeasel]

Bill Polian is just doing his job IMO. He is one of the best GM's in NFL history. His complaints must have some legitimacy or they wouldn't make any difference. I know its hard to except, but every team files complaints every year. And furthermore, every team is guilty of trying to steal the other team's signals.

In fantasy football, every league has someone who tries to take every rule to the limit. Conversely, there will be someone who claims that some things aren't fair. One seems like a cheater and the other a whiner. Chances are both teams win more than they lose.

He is a whiner, a manipulator, and a chronic loser who stumbled into a superbowl championship last year because Richard Seymour twisted an ankle.He will resume his rightful place as the posterboy for second place soon enough.

Here we have a prime example of how the New England homer looks at the world. Indy only "stumbled" into a Superbowl Championship last year because Seymour got hurt. It had nothing to do with Peyton's heroics, Indy's def coming alive in the playoffs.The year before, the Steelers "stumbled" into a Superbowl championship because the refs killed the Pats in their game against Denver, which they would have won 9 times out of 10. By all rights, New England should be 5 time SB champs already.

What will their excuse be this year, when they lose in the playoffs? (I hope)

On this board theres no reason NOT to be an obnoxious Pats fan. You can't win if you're humble and nice, because theres a boatload of jerks here calling Pats fans out every day. If you post good news about your team, you're a jerk. If you defend the pats to some of the idiots, youre a jerk. There's also a couple of bonehead fans who really do act like jerks too, just like there is for every other team.This board lost all credibility years ago with regard to calling out Pats fans. It's completely antagonistic on both sides now. The funny thing is, this is totally fine with Pats fans. Pats fans really dont care. And the team is so good, you're going to see lots more pats fans everywhere anyhow.

If anyone on the boards REALLY wanted the crap to stop they'd just ignore all these threads for the next few years. But we all know that aint gonna happen, because there's plenty of jerks who get off on starting trouble. At this point, this is the way the board is.

And sorry to say, Joe had a HUGE hand in this two years ago when he posted a backhanded "whiney tools" comment in a random shots. Now everyone has to deal with all kinds of animosity on the boards that many Pats fans frankly get a big kick out of.

 

[SeniorVBDStudent]

Bill Polian is just doing his job IMO. He is one of the best GM's in NFL history. His complaints must have some legitimacy or they wouldn't make any difference. I know its hard to except, but every team files complaints every year. And furthermore, every team is guilty of trying to steal the other team's signals.

In fantasy football, every league has someone who tries to take every rule to the limit. Conversely, there will be someone who claims that some things aren't fair. One seems like a cheater and the other a whiner. Chances are both teams win more than they lose.

He is a whiner, a manipulator, and a chronic loser who stumbled into a superbowl championship last year because Richard Seymour twisted an ankle.He will resume his rightful place as the posterboy for second place soon enough.

Here we have a prime example of how the New England homer looks at the world. Indy only "stumbled" into a Superbowl Championship last year because Seymour got hurt. It had nothing to do with Peyton's heroics, Indy's def coming alive in the playoffs.The year before, the Steelers "stumbled" into a Superbowl championship because the refs killed the Pats in their game against Denver, which they would have won 9 times out of 10. By all rights, New England should be 5 time SB champs already.

What will their excuse be this year, when they lose in the playoffs? (I hope)

On this board theres no reason NOT to be an obnoxious Pats fan. You can't win if you're humble and nice, because theres a boatload of jerks here calling Pats fans out every day. If you post good news about your team, you're a jerk. If you defend the pats to some of the idiots, youre a jerk. There's also a couple of bonehead fans who really do act like jerks too, just like there is for every other team.This board lost all credibility years ago with regard to calling out Pats fans. It's completely antagonistic on both sides now. The funny thing is, this is totally fine with Pats fans. Pats fans really dont care. And the team is so good, you're going to see lots more pats fans everywhere anyhow.

If anyone on the boards REALLY wanted the crap to stop they'd just ignore all these threads for the next few years. But we all know that aint gonna happen, because there's plenty of jerks who get off on starting trouble. At this point, this is the way the board is.

And sorry to say, Joe had a HUGE hand in this two years ago when he posted a backhanded "whiney tools" comment in a random shots. Now everyone has to deal with all kinds of animosity on the boards that many Pats fans frankly get a big kick out of.

Insightful post. I don't agree that the infamous whiney tool soundbite incites today's instigators. Rather, it's endemic of a culture that tolerates blatent antagonistic posting towards NE fans by a handful of individuals who would rather take shots at somebody else's team than stand behind their own. I took a shot at Polian above simply because I don't like the man, which is far different than starting 20 threads bashing a team or posting an asterisk in 20 different threads. The sheer determination of these trolls is staggering, but even more mind-bending is the shock that comes when a Pats fan responds in kind to the vitriole that pervades the Shark Pool. I feel bad for those who feel such shock, as I'm confident that twitch, eom and a handful of others will stand beside me dishing it right back on these pukes."The funny thing is, this is totally fine with Pats fans. Pats fans really dont care. "

BINGO.

 

[eom]

hahaha...amen, brutha.

I'm right behind you -- until they ban me again, anyway.

I think one of the mods may be a san diego fan.....

 

[eom]

speaking of the mighty pats -- I heard an interesting stat on nfl network today.

apparently, they lead the league in scoring td's from their own 20.

wish I could remember it exactly, but I think it was something like 75% of the time --- maybe 12/16.

I think the rest of the league averages, like, 10%, while the colts have done it once(???).....ok, I don't remember the colts.

 

[BigRed]

I'm beginning to understand why people like the Pats, and don't like Pat fans. You guys have no idea how to handle success. Pick up any excuse to show how they're not getting respect. I think they must actually go out and do research looking for for specific examples of how they're not getting respect. My Lord, give my Falcons half your success this decade, and you can disrepect me til the cows come home.

:IBTL:

Notice how no one puts an asterisk by a complainer's championship.

lol and also I think this is what really grates on Pat fans now, ie the worry that their titles will be forever in question and therefore tarnished.

No. Complaining =

Coach Tony Dungy said the team lodged a complaint with the league.

In fairness, saying the team lodged a complaint with the league does not = lodging a complaint with the league.

They’ve seen Polian go to the league over injury timeouts (Willie McGinest in 2003), illegal contact in the secondary (2003 AFC title game) and poor field conditions (divisional round in 2004). Just add another log to the fire.

Polian is an ahole and often overrated, but those first 2 are quite valid - can't say about the 3d.

 

[Fla\/\/ed]

speaking of the mighty pats -- I heard an interesting stat on nfl network today.apparently, they lead the league in scoring td's from their own 20.wish I could remember it exactly, but I think it was something like 75% of the time --- maybe 12/16.I think the rest of the league averages, like, 10%, while the colts have done it once(???).....ok, I don't remember the colts.

:IBTL: have another beer.

 

[Road Warriors]

Bill Polian is just doing his job IMO. He is one of the best GM's in NFL history. His complaints must have some legitimacy or they wouldn't make any difference. I know its hard to except, but every team files complaints every year. And furthermore, every team is guilty of trying to steal the other team's signals.

In fantasy football, every league has someone who tries to take every rule to the limit. Conversely, there will be someone who claims that some things aren't fair. One seems like a cheater and the other a whiner. Chances are both teams win more than they lose.

He is a whiner, a manipulator, and a chronic loser who stumbled into a superbowl championship last year because Richard Seymour twisted an ankle.He will resume his rightful place as the posterboy for second place soon enough.

Here we have a prime example of how the New England homer looks at the world. Indy only "stumbled" into a Superbowl Championship last year because Seymour got hurt. It had nothing to do with Peyton's heroics, Indy's def coming alive in the playoffs.The year before, the Steelers "stumbled" into a Superbowl championship because the refs killed the Pats in their game against Denver, which they would have won 9 times out of 10. By all rights, New England should be 5 time SB champs already.

What will their excuse be this year, when they lose in the playoffs? (I hope)

I'm pretty sure this is the San Diego tagline.

 

[DropKick]

If NY only had one team in each sport, they'd be just as bad at telling the world they have sports teams. Boston has severe penis envy.

Please explain this drivel to me. Is there a team in NY anyone would be proud of? Surely not the J - E - S - T Jest, Jest, Jest!

 

[SeniorVBDStudent]

Funny sequence of events:

Patriots own the Colts for several years, embarassing them regularly in playoff beat-downs.

Polian lobbies for revised policy on contact with wide receivers.

Colts eek out a post-season win vs NE "thanks to Peyton's heroics".

NE strengthens its wide receiving corps, takes advantage of the policies that Polian lobbied for, and OBLITERATES all the "unbreakable" Manning records.

 

[Kit Fisto]

On this board theres no reason NOT to be an obnoxious Pats fan. You can't win if you're humble and nice, because theres a boatload of jerks here calling Pats fans out every day. If you post good news about your team, you're a jerk. If you defend the pats to some of the idiots, youre a jerk. There's also a couple of bonehead fans who really do act like jerks too, just like there is for every other team.

This board lost all credibility years ago with regard to calling out Pats fans. It's completely antagonistic on both sides now. The funny thing is, this is totally fine with Pats fans. Pats fans really dont care. And the team is so good, you're going to see lots more pats fans everywhere anyhow.

If anyone on the boards REALLY wanted the crap to stop they'd just ignore all these threads for the next few years. But we all know that aint gonna happen, because there's plenty of jerks who get off on starting trouble. At this point, this is the way the board is.

And sorry to say, Joe had a HUGE hand in this two years ago when he posted a backhanded "whiney tools" comment in a random shots. Now everyone has to deal with all kinds of animosity on the boards that many Pats fans frankly get a big kick out of.

Which is Reason #1 I quit posting on this board over a month ago.You simply cannot post on this board as a fan of the Patriots and not get antagonized or instigated to death. And the staff encourages it, or does little to stop it. When the Video Gate scandal went down, that's when I stopped posting. My last posts came during the height of the scandal, and what pushed me over the edge was this: The same people who were spewing hate during the day, were the same posters still trolling the thread in the evening. When I logged on after I put my kids to bed, the only posters still in the Video Gate thread were the haters. But they weren't posting... they were lying in wait to pounce and spew their righteous indignation. Gay, gay, gay. Grow up. I won't name names, but you know who you are. I'm not going to give you any more of the attention you desperately desire.

Over the past month, I occasionally come on here to read up on player activity. This is still a fantasy football website correct? But I can not believe the threads that still exist, and get started daily! It has become the cool thing to do on these boards - bash the Pats and their fans. Now you're bashing the Red Sox and Boston too? Ridiculous. But Pats fans are the whiney tools, huh?

I hope you take notice, Joe. Your site falls further and further into the hands of immature haters daily. There ARE other fantasy sites out there that you compete with, ya know?

My advice to the other Pats fans that frequent this board is this: drop out. Maybe Footballguys will lose their precious Top 100 rating. Maybe I'll see you around another message board.

Shred me up all you like, you'll just prove my point. I'm gone. So long ####o's!

 

[Bossman]

... ok, maybe I'm missing something here:

how does the article have anything to do with any other team other than the Colts?

and what other owner/coach combo would file a complaint with the league reguarding their scheduale?!

and I may be mistaken but didn't this Colts team just win a championship? Isn't their scheduale suposed to be hard?

 

[Borat]

By the way, the Willie McGinest injury thing was legit. The Pats DEF was sucking wind on that drive before McGinest faked the ankle injury and two guys helped him off the field. And then you see the replay of him running down the field like a 100 meter dash after the game ended.

Wrong.McGinest was hobbling off the field, manning up to get off without help. It's a pride issue, and it's almost universal throughout the NFL. He was spotted on the Pats sideline laboring to come out, and the Patriots sideline waved for him to get down. Why would you help the Colts out there when you're entitled to the injury timeout?

 

[Road Warriors]

... ok, maybe I'm missing something here:how does the article have anything to do with any other team other than the Colts?and what other owner/coach combo would file a complaint with the league reguarding their scheduale?! and I may be mistaken but didn't this Colts team just win a championship? Isn't their scheduale suposed to be hard? :(

Clearly, you missed that the article was in a Boston paper, which of course means that the evil incarnate Patriots are behind it, which is classless. And its all done to divert attention, because they're big mean cheaters!!!!!!

 

[Borat]

On this board theres no reason NOT to be an obnoxious Pats fan. You can't win if you're humble and nice, because theres a boatload of jerks here calling Pats fans out every day. If you post good news about your team, you're a jerk. If you defend the pats to some of the idiots, youre a jerk. There's also a couple of bonehead fans who really do act like jerks too, just like there is for every other team.This board lost all credibility years ago with regard to calling out Pats fans. It's completely antagonistic on both sides now. The funny thing is, this is totally fine with Pats fans. Pats fans really dont care. And the team is so good, you're going to see lots more pats fans everywhere anyhow.If anyone on the boards REALLY wanted the crap to stop they'd just ignore all these threads for the next few years. But we all know that aint gonna happen, because there's plenty of jerks who get off on starting trouble. At this point, this is the way the board is.And sorry to say, Joe had a HUGE hand in this two years ago when he posted a backhanded "whiney tools" comment in a random shots. Now everyone has to deal with all kinds of animosity on the boards that many Pats fans frankly get a big kick out of.

:(

 

[NE_REVIVAL]

Bill Polian is just doing his job IMO. He is one of the best GM's in NFL history. His complaints must have some legitimacy or they wouldn't make any difference. I know its hard to except, but every team files complaints every year. And furthermore, every team is guilty of trying to steal the other team's signals.

In fantasy football, every league has someone who tries to take every rule to the limit. Conversely, there will be someone who claims that some things aren't fair. One seems like a cheater and the other a whiner. Chances are both teams win more than they lose.

He is a whiner, a manipulator, and a chronic loser who stumbled into a superbowl championship last year because Richard Seymour twisted an ankle.He will resume his rightful place as the posterboy for second place soon enough.

Here we have a prime example of how the New England homer looks at the world. Indy only "stumbled" into a Superbowl Championship last year because Seymour got hurt. It had nothing to do with Peyton's heroics, Indy's def coming alive in the playoffs.The year before, the Steelers "stumbled" into a Superbowl championship because the refs killed the Pats in their game against Denver, which they would have won 9 times out of 10. By all rights, New England should be 5 time SB champs already.

What will their excuse be this year, when they lose in the playoffs? (I hope)

On this board theres no reason NOT to be an obnoxious Pats fan. You can't win if you're humble and nice, because theres a boatload of jerks here calling Pats fans out every day. If you post good news about your team, you're a jerk. If you defend the pats to some of the idiots, youre a jerk. There's also a couple of bonehead fans who really do act like jerks too, just like there is for every other team.This board lost all credibility years ago with regard to calling out Pats fans. It's completely antagonistic on both sides now. The funny thing is, this is totally fine with Pats fans. Pats fans really dont care. And the team is so good, you're going to see lots more pats fans everywhere anyhow.

If anyone on the boards REALLY wanted the crap to stop they'd just ignore all these threads for the next few years. But we all know that aint gonna happen, because there's plenty of jerks who get off on starting trouble. At this point, this is the way the board is.

And sorry to say, Joe had a HUGE hand in this two years ago when he posted a backhanded "whiney tools" comment in a random shots. Now everyone has to deal with all kinds of animosity on the boards that many Pats fans frankly get a big kick out of.

Sadly what you wrote is so freakin sad, but so freakin true; I agree with everything you said except your first sentence. You must accept that to be a Pats fan is, in and of itself obnoxious. They all say they know Pats fans who are terric as they pile on and throw fuel on the fire every chance they get. Who can blame em this is fantasy land and the Patriote are Evil don't you know

 

[timschochet]

OK here's the point, and I'm actually being very serious now. When I was a teenager and a young adult back in the 80's I was a diehard Laker fan, and arrogant beyond belief. I hated the Celtics, their main rival, and didn't want to give that team ANY credit. When the Lakers lost to Boston, I blamed the refs or mistakes on the Lakers. It was only with the passage of time and some wisdom did I realize that I was fortunate enough to witness one of the great rivalries ever in sports, anf that BOTH teams were magnificent.

We are now in the middle of a Colt-Patriot rivalry that mirrors that Lakers-Celtics rivalry. It's best comparison in football would of course be the Cowboy-49ers rivalry of the early 90's but that only lasted for 3 years, and this rivalry is already going on 5 years and doesn't appear to be ending anytime soon. Like the Celtics-Lakers that featured the two best players in the game (Bird/Magic) this also features the two best players in football. (One odd component in this current rivalry are the Steelers, who keep appearing in the playoffs, twice losing to NE and once beating Indy, and who will likely have some say in what happens this year.)

In years to come, both Patriots and Colts fans will realize that BOTH teams are great, BOTH teams deserve respect, and BOTH teams will go down as two of the greatest in history.

 

[-OZ-]

Bill Polian once again can't help himself from whining and complaining publicly about yet another inequity the pious Colts must face.

This time it's the schedule makers he has a beef with. Rest assured next year the competition committee will move to have all teams' schedules personally approved by Napolian.

PS It's called your schedule, Bill. Go ####### play it.

http://bostonherald.com/sports/football/pa...amp;format=text

Indy being Indy

Indianapolis general manager Bill Polian and the Colts are complaining, again. This time, it’s about a schedule that has them playing a road game this Sunday at Carolina on a short week following a road Monday night game in Jacksonville. After the Panthers, of course, the Colts return home for Armageddon Day against the Patriots on Nov. 4.

Research conducted by the Indianapolis Star showed that over the past decade, 24 teams have played road games on a short week following a road Monday night game. Those teams are 12-12 in the second game and have lost seven of the past 10. The Colts are further chafed because the Panthers are coming off a bye. The Star pointed out that that scenario has presented itself just three times since 1997.

Coach Tony Dungy said the team lodged a complaint with the league. Shocker!

“It’s harder, it definitely is,” said Dungy.

Of course, fans in New England are well aware of this routine by now. They’ve seen Polian go to the league over injury timeouts (Willie McGinest in 2003), illegal contact in the secondary (2003 AFC title game) and poor field conditions (divisional round in 2004). Just add another log to the fire.

Meanwhile, the Patriots are no stranger to the above schedule quirk. The Pats were asked to do it in 2004, playing Monday night at Miami on Dec. 20 (a 29-28 loss) and then traveling to the division rival Jets six days later (a 23-7 win).

The Pats had a similar case last year where the schedule had them on the road for a Monday night game on Oct. 30 (a blowout win at Minnesota) and then returning home to face the toughest team on their schedule six days later, the Colts. The Colts ran over the Pats in that game, 27-20.

If the Patriots publicly complained about any of those instances, there’s no record of it.

The only whining I hear is you! That would be the "whining of jealousy!". Oooooooooooooooo - the true hurts!!!Fact is, this is one of (if not) "the" only time at team has had to play a Monday night game, then not only go on the road the next week, but also go on the road to face a team that had a BYE week the week before. Oh, by the way, when the schedule was made, I am sure that the Panthers were predicted a preseason playoff team. I know I repeated alot of what Polian said, but it obviously needs repeating because your hatred of the Colts is blinding you to simple logic!

What Patriot rag did this drivel come from?

If the game were against a division rival, like the Titans, they'd have a legitimate complaint.It's against an NFC team, granted that NFC team is 4-2, but IIRC the Saints were the favorite to win the division and the Panthers not a strong contender.

The article is homer rag, but this has happened before, and didn't the Colts have a chance to complain months ago?

It is rather humorous that fans of a team caught cheating by another team are complaining about a team complaining.

 

[spitkickers]

Disclaimer for crying New England fans who are apparently being ganged up on unfairly and who have also not subjected their own friends to hours of insight about how their teams not only will own everyone else's teams, but give a play by play breakdown of how it will happen:This post will not mention alleged cheating or tape burning or any other supposed offense to Pats fans in any way, except that Peyton Manning and the Yankees are mentioned within it.

On this board theres no reason NOT to be an obnoxious Pats fan. And sorry to say, Joe had a HUGE hand in this two years ago

Let me condense your post so that its main contents can be digested: 1. Why not be obnoxious2. Something happened two years ago in a random shots article, so it's someone else's fault...so on so on. Listen to yourself, bro.I have many Pats/Sox fan friends, and they all sing the same tune, which includes the "Brady still owns Manning" verse, followed by the "3 rings to Manning's 1" chorus.It's a catchy song, but so is "Yesterday". New England fans live in the present when it is convenient, and in the recent past when it is more convenient.If you bring up the Sox, it's a totally different song. Despite the difference in pennants throughout history when it comes to the Yanks, all that matters is right now.The fact is, your teams are on top of the world, show a little class. As difficult as that may be. But do not forget, you are not the defending champions, and until/unless you actually win the AFC Championship this year, you still aren't. I shouldn't need to qualify that last sentence unless an NFC fan wanders in here.

 

[Kafka]

I wonder why the NFL sets up the schedule so that teams coming off a bye plays against a team that isn’t coming off a bye in the 1st place.

Because we are men, and men are supposed to overcome adversity. If this was a women's league, I'd say that some pampering might be in order.Is that you, Polian?

No, it's a cheat and adulterer. Men are supposed to cheat on their wives and in football. Because you are men...

 

[Dickie Dunn]

at anyone believing Felger is a Pats homer. It's pretty common knowledge that he's a diehard Packers fan.

 

[kilrb]

More pissing in the pool. There's alot of that lately.

 

[dornado]

Bill Polian is just doing his job IMO. He is one of the best GM's in NFL history. His complaints must have some legitimacy or they wouldn't make any difference. I know its hard to except, but every team files complaints every year. And furthermore, every team is guilty of trying to steal the other team's signals.

In fantasy football, every league has someone who tries to take every rule to the limit. Conversely, there will be someone who claims that some things aren't fair. One seems like a cheater and the other a whiner. Chances are both teams win more than they lose.

He is a whiner, a manipulator, and a chronic loser who stumbled into a superbowl championship last year because Richard Seymour twisted an ankle.He will resume his rightful place as the posterboy for second place soon enough.

Here we have a prime example of how the New England homer looks at the world. Indy only "stumbled" into a Superbowl Championship last year because Seymour got hurt. It had nothing to do with Peyton's heroics, Indy's def coming alive in the playoffs.The year before, the Steelers "stumbled" into a Superbowl championship because the refs killed the Pats in their game against Denver, which they would have won 9 times out of 10. By all rights, New England should be 5 time SB champs already.

What will their excuse be this year, when they lose in the playoffs? (I hope)

The Steelers deserve to be congratulated as they are a real football team, as is Denver, whose coach owns Belichick. Neither of these teams rely on a "plug and play" defense comprised of two playmakers and 9 replaceable widgets. Pittsburg, Denver and New England play real defense, not the embarassment that is "Tampa 2".

WHAT?!? The embarassment that is the Tampa 2? Wow. Let's see if there's a way to make that comment sound anything other than stupid...How could the Tampa 2 be an embarassment?

Does it not work? Well... I'd say since both teams in last years superbowl ran a cover 2... and the Tampa 2 was brought on by a Tampa Bay team that WON the superbowl... and is derived from a Steelers dynasty of the 70's that is one of the most successful in NFL history....I guess we'll have to throw the "not working" argument out the window.

It does work.... but is embarassing anyway? I think you're argument here is that its a "joke" because the scheme is so well put together you only need two playmakers to make it work? Besides being incredibly far off on what it takes to run the Cover 2/Tampa 2 well... the argument here is that the coaches have apparently done too good a job creating a defense because they can plug in different players and it still works. ISN'T THAT THE ULTIMATE GOAL OF A DEFENSIVE SCHEME? Maybe I'm crazy, but I don't understand what is embarassing about that.

 

[pizzatyme]

Bill Polian is just doing his job IMO. He is one of the best GM's in NFL history. His complaints must have some legitimacy or they wouldn't make any difference. I know its hard to except, but every team files complaints every year. And furthermore, every team is guilty of trying to steal the other team's signals.

In fantasy football, every league has someone who tries to take every rule to the limit. Conversely, there will be someone who claims that some things aren't fair. One seems like a cheater and the other a whiner. Chances are both teams win more than they lose.

He is a whiner, a manipulator, and a chronic loser who stumbled into a superbowl championship last year because Richard Seymour twisted an ankle.He will resume his rightful place as the posterboy for second place soon enough.

Well, that reason and also Tom Brady throwing an interception at a crucial point in the game. But carry on...

 

[pizzatyme]

OK here's the point, and I'm actually being very serious now. When I was a teenager and a young adult back in the 80's I was a diehard Laker fan, and arrogant beyond belief. I hated the Celtics, their main rival, and didn't want to give that team ANY credit. When the Lakers lost to Boston, I blamed the refs or mistakes on the Lakers. It was only with the passage of time and some wisdom did I realize that I was fortunate enough to witness one of the great rivalries ever in sports, anf that BOTH teams were magnificent.We are now in the middle of a Colt-Patriot rivalry that mirrors that Lakers-Celtics rivalry. It's best comparison in football would of course be the Cowboy-49ers rivalry of the early 90's but that only lasted for 3 years, and this rivalry is already going on 5 years and doesn't appear to be ending anytime soon. Like the Celtics-Lakers that featured the two best players in the game (Bird/Magic) this also features the two best players in football. (One odd component in this current rivalry are the Steelers, who keep appearing in the playoffs, twice losing to NE and once beating Indy, and who will likely have some say in what happens this year.)In years to come, both Patriots and Colts fans will realize that BOTH teams are great, BOTH teams deserve respect, and BOTH teams will go down as two of the greatest in history.

This Colts fan realized that 3 years ago.

 

[SeniorVBDStudent]

OK here's the point, and I'm actually being very serious now. When I was a teenager and a young adult back in the 80's I was a diehard Laker fan, and arrogant beyond belief. I hated the Celtics, their main rival, and didn't want to give that team ANY credit. When the Lakers lost to Boston, I blamed the refs or mistakes on the Lakers. It was only with the passage of time and some wisdom did I realize that I was fortunate enough to witness one of the great rivalries ever in sports, anf that BOTH teams were magnificent.We are now in the middle of a Colt-Patriot rivalry that mirrors that Lakers-Celtics rivalry. It's best comparison in football would of course be the Cowboy-49ers rivalry of the early 90's but that only lasted for 3 years, and this rivalry is already going on 5 years and doesn't appear to be ending anytime soon. Like the Celtics-Lakers that featured the two best players in the game (Bird/Magic) this also features the two best players in football. (One odd component in this current rivalry are the Steelers, who keep appearing in the playoffs, twice losing to NE and once beating Indy, and who will likely have some say in what happens this year.)In years to come, both Patriots and Colts fans will realize that BOTH teams are great, BOTH teams deserve respect, and BOTH teams will go down as two of the greatest in history.

I agree with what you're saying here. One thing that makes this year so interesting is the whole question of whether or not the defending champs can handle the reload by the Pats and bring the ring count to 3-2 or if the Pats distance themselves from the Colts with 4-1 ring count lead. You were correct to note the Steelers as well, but they have looked at little below my expectations recently.

 

[SeniorVBDStudent]

WHAT?!? The embarassment that is the Tampa 2? Wow. Let's see if there's a way to make that comment sound anything other than stupid...How could the Tampa 2 be an embarassment?Does it not work? Well... I'd say since both teams in last years superbowl ran a cover 2... and the Tampa 2 was brought on by a Tampa Bay team that WON the superbowl... and is derived from a Steelers dynasty of the 70's that is one of the most successful in NFL history....I guess we'll have to throw the "not working" argument out the window.It does work.... but is embarassing anyway? I think you're argument here is that its a "joke" because the scheme is so well put together you only need two playmakers to make it work? Besides being incredibly far off on what it takes to run the Cover 2/Tampa 2 well... the argument here is that the coaches have apparently done too good a job creating a defense because they can plug in different players and it still works. ISN'T THAT THE ULTIMATE GOAL OF A DEFENSIVE SCHEME? Maybe I'm crazy, but I don't understand what is embarassing about that.

A generally recognized limitation of Tampa 2 vs Cover 2 is that the former by definition involving giving fast but not exceptionally skilled personnel the same simple assignments over and over again. The Cover 2 shell of today's Bears and yesterday's Steelers among others is just a base defensive set from which 11 defenders operate with more varied responsibilities and intelligence level than "Tampa 2" scrubs.

 

[slckrsmitty]

I'm beginning to understand why people like the Pats, and don't like Pat fans. You guys have no idea how to handle success. Pick up any excuse to show how they're not getting respect. I think they must actually go out and do research looking for for specific examples of how they're not getting respect. My Lord, give my Falcons half your success this decade, and you can disrepect me til the cows come home.

It's not universal, but the same thing that grates on me about BoSox fans applies to Pats fans. They seem to have a huge chip on their shoulder, like they need to prove something all the time. It's somewhat understandable for the BoSox fans who have played second fiddle to the archrival Yankees for almost a century, but even they are clearly better now and seem to be on the verge of winning another World Series. As for the Pats, they're only rooting for the Team of the Decade, so relax, your team's place in history is secure without a doubt.

it's called small man syndrome. it comes from having a small peepee

 

[dudaman]

The end result of this thread for me is that I absolutely cannot wait for our undefeated teams to meet next week. What's the message board going to look like then?

 

[jabarony]

On this board theres no reason NOT to be an obnoxious Pats fan. You can't win if you're humble and nice, because theres a boatload of jerks here calling Pats fans out every day. If you post good news about your team, you're a jerk. If you defend the pats to some of the idiots, youre a jerk. There's also a couple of bonehead fans who really do act like jerks too, just like there is for every other team.

This board lost all credibility years ago with regard to calling out Pats fans. It's completely antagonistic on both sides now. The funny thing is, this is totally fine with Pats fans. Pats fans really dont care. And the team is so good, you're going to see lots more pats fans everywhere anyhow.

If anyone on the boards REALLY wanted the crap to stop they'd just ignore all these threads for the next few years. But we all know that aint gonna happen, because there's plenty of jerks who get off on starting trouble. At this point, this is the way the board is.

And sorry to say, Joe had a HUGE hand in this two years ago when he posted a backhanded "whiney tools" comment in a random shots. Now everyone has to deal with all kinds of animosity on the boards that many Pats fans frankly get a big kick out of.

Which is Reason #1 I quit posting on this board over a month ago.You simply cannot post on this board as a fan of the Patriots and not get antagonized or instigated to death. And the staff encourages it, or does little to stop it. When the Video Gate scandal went down, that's when I stopped posting. My last posts came during the height of the scandal, and what pushed me over the edge was this: The same people who were spewing hate during the day, were the same posters still trolling the thread in the evening. When I logged on after I put my kids to bed, the only posters still in the Video Gate thread were the haters. But they weren't posting... they were lying in wait to pounce and spew their righteous indignation. Gay, gay, gay. Grow up. I won't name names, but you know who you are. I'm not going to give you any more of the attention you desperately desire.

Over the past month, I occasionally come on here to read up on player activity. This is still a fantasy football website correct? But I can not believe the threads that still exist, and get started daily! It has become the cool thing to do on these boards - bash the Pats and their fans. Now you're bashing the Red Sox and Boston too? Ridiculous. But Pats fans are the whiney tools, huh?

I hope you take notice, Joe. Your site falls further and further into the hands of immature haters daily. There ARE other fantasy sites out there that you compete with, ya know?

My advice to the other Pats fans that frequent this board is this: drop out. Maybe Footballguys will lose their precious Top 100 rating. Maybe I'll see you around another message board.

Shred me up all you like, you'll just prove my point. I'm gone. So long ####o's!

Holy crap! Take an anti-depressant. You are whining this much about people making fun of your favorite sports team? And you wonder why people pile on Pats fans? You sound emotionally stunted (Pats fan or not!).I think the point of most anti-Pat posts I've read is that Pat fans (and Sox fans) are scumbags and don't handle the success well. Posts like yours prove that point. If my team was winning like the Pats, I sure wouldn't be as whiny/angry as you or your brethren. I'd just be happy that my team is providing hours of enjoyment to me & my friends. If my team was in the middle of such a run, and other fans were piling on, I would be loving life and at the critics.

There are a lot of obnoxious fan-bases out there, but most rear their ugly side when the team loses a close game or gets jobbed by the refs. Pats fans are Whiny Tools when they win.

 

[timschochet]

OK here's the point, and I'm actually being very serious now. When I was a teenager and a young adult back in the 80's I was a diehard Laker fan, and arrogant beyond belief. I hated the Celtics, their main rival, and didn't want to give that team ANY credit. When the Lakers lost to Boston, I blamed the refs or mistakes on the Lakers. It was only with the passage of time and some wisdom did I realize that I was fortunate enough to witness one of the great rivalries ever in sports, anf that BOTH teams were magnificent.We are now in the middle of a Colt-Patriot rivalry that mirrors that Lakers-Celtics rivalry. It's best comparison in football would of course be the Cowboy-49ers rivalry of the early 90's but that only lasted for 3 years, and this rivalry is already going on 5 years and doesn't appear to be ending anytime soon. Like the Celtics-Lakers that featured the two best players in the game (Bird/Magic) this also features the two best players in football. (One odd component in this current rivalry are the Steelers, who keep appearing in the playoffs, twice losing to NE and once beating Indy, and who will likely have some say in what happens this year.)In years to come, both Patriots and Colts fans will realize that BOTH teams are great, BOTH teams deserve respect, and BOTH teams will go down as two of the greatest in history.

This Colts fan realized that 3 years ago.

No, they didn't. They couldn't have, because, at that point, the Colts hadn't won anything yet, adn the rivalry then was more like Bulls vs. Jazz than Lakers vs. Celtics. The Jazz had Stockton and Malone, but no one will ever call them one of the great teams of all time, because they couldn't win the big one. And Peyton up to that point reminded fans of Karl Malone in the post season; always seemed to tighten up during the big game.All that changed last year with that extraordinary win over NE, which in a period of less than 30 minutes (the 2nd half) changed the entire legacy of the Manning era. Now, no matter what happens this year or in the years beyond, the Colts of this era will be considered one of the greatest teams of all time.As proof of this, here's another historical example from way back: the 1950's Brooklyn Dodgers, "The Boys of Summer" considered now one of the greatest baseball teams of time. Yet prior to 1955, they met the Yankees in the Series on several occasions, and always fell short. Finally in 55 they prevailed in 7 games. The nest year, 1956, the two teams met in the World Series yet again, and the Yanks won again (Don Larsen perfect game), giving NY an overall 4-1 advantage over a ten year period during which the two teams dominated MLB. But no one remembers that 4-1 advantage now; they only remember that both teams were great and filled with stars. Yet if Brooklyn had not won in 55, only the Yankees would be remembered as great, while the Dodgers would be thought of as the Buffalo Bills.

 

[twitch]

Ive gotta say as a Patriots fan, Im going to bat for Polian, Dungy and the Colts here. I'll risk getting a little hammered by members of the same fan club because this was completely avoidable. And I dont know that the NFL would have set this up on purpose because it would take alot of brilliant orchestration, but the Colts are getting absolutely SCREWED here by the schedule makers. Just no respect whatsoever in this instance. A ROAD Monday night game, followed by a road game on a short week, followed by a huge game with your chief rival and possibly the best team in the league??? That's a tough stretch, even for the World Champs. And Im not a big fan of the complaints, but I cant hammer the Colts over this one. I think theyve got a pretty good gripe.