Poll to go with week 15 defense thread (1 Viewer)

[Breesisdaman]

This poll goes with the week 15 defense thread

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...howtopic=573511

As I can only put 15 poll responses I have left out the obvious defenses or the ones not mentioned in the thread, By obvious I mean if you have Pittsburgh you would probably start them over these defenses in most scoring formats. You can disagree with me in this thread if you want to argue that point. Also I left out the defenses you probably wouldn't want to start like the Texans for example.

This is a multiple Choice poll but for accuracy sake pick only 3 defenses.

I hope this helps

 

[Breesisdaman]

Also, If you guys value this poll from time to time it may need bumped.

 

[gpthatsme]

The Bengals seem to be imploading this week. Does that help the Cleveland Browns even more?

 

[Football Critic]

 

[Breesisdaman]

The Bengals seem to be imploading this week. Does that help the Cleveland Browns even more?

By imploding you must mean T.O. turning into the T.O. we all have become accustomed to when he played with other lousy QB's. He is blaming the coaches but I doubt he is a big enough cancer yet to make that much of difference. I think the Bengals Browns game is always a hard fought inner state rivalry game and that is enough motivation to keep the Bengals heads in it.

 

[wudaben]

Kinda funny how wildly different this poll is from Dodd's cheatsheets released today! Without giving too much away from Dodd's list, our top two Defenses appear to be Chicago & NE while Dodds has them ranked at 18 & 20 respectively and the Giants who are 1 on his list are 11th on this one.

 

[footballnerd]

Kinda funny how wildly different this poll is from Dodd's cheatsheets released today! Without giving too much away from Dodd's list, our top two Defenses appear to be Chicago & NE while Dodds has them ranked at 18 & 20 respectively and the Giants who are 1 on his list are 11th on this one.

I think Chi and NE's ranking here are strictly dependent on if Favre and Rodgers sit. Not sure about NYG being ranked #1 unless Dodd's thinks NYG will be sacking Vick enough to counterbalance the score, DAL D got at him last week so it's def possible.

 

[Football Critic]

Kinda funny how wildly different this poll is from Dodd's cheatsheets released today! Without giving too much away from Dodd's list, our top two Defenses appear to be Chicago & NE while Dodds has them ranked at 18 & 20 respectively and the Giants who are 1 on his list are 11th on this one.

Giants play Vick and the Eagles, yet he has NYG Def ranked at #1? Chicago gets a rookie QB in a playoff clinching game if GB loses? I doubt Chicago plays like a #18 defense.

 

[thehornet]

OAK Def is gonna pig out this week.

Denver is cooked.

 

[wudaben]

Kinda funny how wildly different this poll is from Dodd's cheatsheets released today! Without giving too much away from Dodd's list, our top two Defenses appear to be Chicago & NE while Dodds has them ranked at 18 & 20 respectively and the Giants who are 1 on his list are 11th on this one.

Giants play Vick and the Eagles, yet he has NYG Def ranked at #1? Chicago gets a rookie QB in a playoff clinching game if GB loses? I doubt Chicago plays like a #18 defense.

This may strictly be an early week draft of the rankings that may change significantly before Sunday but it's interesting none the less.

 

[Philo]

OAK Def is gonna pig out this week. Denver is cooked.

As I brought up in the other thread, if Tebow starts, I'm always cautious about a DST facing an "unknown" QB... someone they don't have a lot of tape to look at his play on an NFL level. In the past, there have been occasional flash-in-the-pan mystery QBs who pop out of nowhere and have 1/2/3 good games before opposing coordinators figure out what kind of looks & packages they have trouble with. With only pre-season snaps to look at, not sure how much they know about Tebow.

 

[thehornet]

OAK Def is gonna pig out this week. Denver is cooked.

As I brought up in the other thread, if Tebow starts, I'm always cautious about a DST facing an "unknown" QB... someone they don't have a lot of tape to look at his play on an NFL level. In the past, there have been occasional flash-in-the-pan mystery QBs who pop out of nowhere and have 1/2/3 good games before opposing coordinators figure out what kind of looks & packages they have trouble with. With only pre-season snaps to look at, not sure how much they know about Tebow.

Your scenario's are the exception not the rule. Most rookie QB's suffer tremedously early in their careers.

 

[Philo]

OAK Def is gonna pig out this week.

Denver is cooked.

As I brought up in the other thread, if Tebow starts, I'm always cautious about a DST facing an "unknown" QB... someone they don't have a lot of tape to look at his play on an NFL level. In the past, there have been occasional flash-in-the-pan mystery QBs who pop out of nowhere and have 1/2/3 good games before opposing coordinators figure out what kind of looks & packages they have trouble with. With only pre-season snaps to look at, not sure how much they know about Tebow.

Your scenario's are the exception not the rule. Most rookie QB's suffer tremedously early in their careers.

I don't have stats on it either way, I started tracking it a few years ago (after Billy Volek's late season explosion, a guy who had only appeared in a handful of games in 4 seasons) but even after a few seasons, it's a small sample size. I'm not talking about "rookie" QBs exclusively. Especially not "rookie" QBs who start week 1 after playing in the preseason. I'm specifically talking about guys who have "no book", guys for whom the opposing D coordinator has no tape at the NFL level, no record of past NFL games, no chart of what he likes to do, how he checks down, etc. (And this scenario only applies for the QB's first 1/2/3 NFL games, not his entire "rookie season", as after 2 or 3 games his next opponents will have enough tape to better anticipate what he's going to do). Adding in that the QB's team will likely be calling more vanilla plays, reducing the number of mistakes the guy can make, make it very difficult to accurately predict how a DST might do against him, fantasy-wise.

I'm not saying that the Raiders DST is a good or bad play because they might face Tebow. I'm saying that they're a harder to predict play than they would otherwise be.

ETA: Mostly I originated the theory from something similar discussed in Moneyball, where Billy Beane had calculated how some hitters will start off their major league careers with great batting averages until opposing pitchers figure out what speed, location, and movement combinations give the guy trouble. But, like I said, there's too small a sample size, this kind of thing only happens a couple of times in each NFL season.

 

[Breesisdaman]

Kinda funny how wildly different this poll is from Dodd's cheatsheets released today! Without giving too much away from Dodd's list, our top two Defenses appear to be Chicago & NE while Dodds has them ranked at 18 & 20 respectively and the Giants who are 1 on his list are 11th on this one.

I am a bit baffled by the Dodds Giants ranking as well. I own them but I cant see it against Philly. I will attest that the Giants defense gave me 9 points in my scoring format the first time these two teams met which isnt bad considering Vick was really playing great at the time. I dont think they would be ranked higher than some of these defenses we are talking about unless I am missing something. The hard thing about this week for me is that there is very little agreement among the experts for defenses. It almost looks like kicker rankings the way it is all over the map from expert to expert.

 

[tarheel4ever]

OAK Def is gonna pig out this week.

Denver is cooked.

As I brought up in the other thread, if Tebow starts, I'm always cautious about a DST facing an "unknown" QB... someone they don't have a lot of tape to look at his play on an NFL level. In the past, there have been occasional flash-in-the-pan mystery QBs who pop out of nowhere and have 1/2/3 good games before opposing coordinators figure out what kind of looks & packages they have trouble with. With only pre-season snaps to look at, not sure how much they know about Tebow.

Your scenario's are the exception not the rule. Most rookie QB's suffer tremedously early in their careers.

I don't have stats on it either way, I started tracking it a few years ago (after Billy Volek's late season explosion, a guy who had only appeared in a handful of games in 4 seasons) but even after a few seasons, it's a small sample size. I'm not talking about "rookie" QBs exclusively. Especially not "rookie" QBs who start week 1 after playing in the preseason. I'm specifically talking about guys who have "no book", guys for whom the opposing D coordinator has no tape at the NFL level, no record of past NFL games, no chart of what he likes to do, how he checks down, etc. (And this scenario only applies for the QB's first 1/2/3 NFL games, not his entire "rookie season", as after 2 or 3 games his next opponents will have enough tape to better anticipate what he's going to do). Adding in that the QB's team will likely be calling more vanilla plays, reducing the number of mistakes the guy can make, make it very difficult to accurately predict how a DST might do against him, fantasy-wise.

I'm not saying that the Raiders DST is a good or bad play because they might face Tebow. I'm saying that they're a harder to predict play than they would otherwise be.

ETA: Mostly I originated the theory from something similar discussed in Moneyball, where Billy Beane had calculated how some hitters will start off their major league careers with great batting averages until opposing pitchers figure out what speed, location, and movement combinations give the guy trouble. But, like I said, there's too small a sample size, this kind of thing only happens a couple of times in each NFL season.

Bottom line is that he's a rookie QB playing a team fighting for the playoffs. Yeah, he's played a little this year, but still a rookie having to play a whole game as opposed to mop up duty or a special running play.

 

[thehornet]

oak def is looking better and better. hurt orton or a project rookie. I like the odds for a big week.

 

[Football Critic]

Dallas or Chicago? Who has the bigger week?

 

[Breesisdaman]

Dallas or Chicago? Who has the bigger week?

My gut says Chicago. 3rd string qb, northern frigid climate, top rated defense even when the match up isnt juicy. I think you have to roll with them.

 

[reprisal]

Dallas or Chicago? Who has the bigger week?

Chicago is the better bet. Rex can turn the ball over with the best of them, but Bears are #3 in points allowed, Cowboys are #31. Rex is actually a mediocre NFL back up QB quality player. Joe Webb might not be better than Patrick Ramsey and no playbook at this point in his career.

 

[Breesisdaman]

Im curious if those of you that didnt vote for Dallas would change your vote now that Rex Grossman is starting? Pretty Juicy matchup dont you think?

The Redskins have given up the second most fantasy points to defenses over the past five weeks WITHOUT Rex Grossman! Dallas could be a top 5 Defense this week.

 

[Dodge]

I'm still think I'm going Raiders over Dallas this week even with Rex's start. Rex has experience and Dallas' defense is giving up some points.

I just don't know though.

 

[thehornet]

Im curious if those of you that didnt vote for Dallas would change your vote now that Rex Grossman is starting? Pretty Juicy matchup dont you think?The Redskins have given up the second most fantasy points to defenses over the past five weeks WITHOUT Rex Grossman! Dallas could be a top 5 Defense this week.

dalls's defense sucks big time.

 

[Football Critic]

Dallas or Chicago? Who has the bigger week?

My gut says Chicago. 3rd string qb, northern frigid climate, top rated defense even when the match up isnt juicy. I think you have to roll with them.

Minnesota has weapons around Webb with Rice, Harvin, and ADP and a decent defense. Washington has nothing around Grossman...No WR, no Oline, No real RB and an even worse defense. Even tho Rexy has experience we seen what that was...NOT PROTECTING THE BALL...that combined with being on the road and Dallas' ability to get to the QB equals fantasy points galore. As far as point not as big when the turnovers can pile up. Minnesota believe it or not scores some points on a big night for the fans, I feel. Webb is pumped and we really dont know his ability, it is possible he does something, Rexy, hmmmmm not so much. Its a shot for the Superbowl...Have to believe Dallas is the better play? No?

 

[Wyld Stallyns]

I think New England is clearly the best play - after them, I think it's a toss up between Chicago, Oakland and Dallas with a slight edge going to Chicago. Arizona would be my 4th choice.

1) NE

2) CHI

3A) DAL

3B) OAK

4) ARZ

 

[nysportsfan]

Rolling with CAR today, as I am hoping for a low scoring game with an INT or two from Arizona.

 

[Philo]

OAK Def is gonna pig out this week. Denver is cooked.

As I brought up in the other thread, if Tebow starts, I'm always cautious about a DST facing an "unknown" QB... someone they don't have a lot of tape to look at his play on an NFL level. In the past, there have been occasional flash-in-the-pan mystery QBs who pop out of nowhere and have 1/2/3 good games before opposing coordinators figure out what kind of looks & packages they have trouble with. With only pre-season snaps to look at, not sure how much they know about Tebow.

Your scenario's are the exception not the rule. Most rookie QB's suffer tremedously early in their careers.

Good first half for Tebow, not much yet for the Raiders D...

 

[Sarnoff]

Joe Webb did OK vs. the Iggles D, there may be something to this theory...