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[Rounders]

Portis begins rehab

Redskins Report: Springs likely to miss opener; Portis begins rehab

By JIM DUCIBELLA , The Virginian-Pilot

© August 17, 2006

ASHBURN - Washington Redskins director of medicine Bubba Tyer said Wednesday that cornerback Shawn Springs will miss 4-6 weeks after having surgery on his groin. That makes it a virtual certainty he will miss the Sept. 11 season opener against Minnesota and means he could sit out the Week 2 game at Dallas.

"You talk to the player and they tell you they'll be back for the first game," said Tyer, who added that such a quick recovery was highly unlikely. That opens the primary competition for Springs' spot to Kenny Wright, Christian Morton and newly acquired Mike Rumph.

Tyer said Springs' latest injury was related to the one he played through at the end of last season. He passed team physicals in February and March, another during organized team activities and another before training camp. After the first week of camp, Springs began to feel pain in the groin, at which point Tyer ordered tests.

"I'm glad we did it now and miss preseason," he said. "We'll get him ready for the regular season, and get him through the regular season."

Meanwhile, running back Clinton Portis has begun some mild rehab on his separated left shoulder. The workload will increase dramatically this time next week, Tyer said, and "we think we've a shot to get him back (for the opener)."

 

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Lightly diminished carries week one and maybe week 2... he'll be full steam ahead by week 3 for sure.

If he falls below RB 5-6 he's a steal in any league.

 

[redman]

' date='Aug 17 2006, 04:11 PM' post='5350658'] Lightly diminished carries week one and maybe week 2... he'll be full steam ahead by week 3 for sure. If he falls below RB 5-6 he's a steal in any league.

I still want to see how he does with that increased workload. I'm optimistic here, but just want to be sure (and I have the luxury of time before my redraft).

 

[tommyGunZ]

' date='Aug 17 2006, 02:11 PM' post='5350658'] Lightly diminished carries week one and maybe week 2... he'll be full steam ahead by week 3 for sure. If he falls below RB 5-6 he's a steal in any league.

With diminished carries in the first couple weeks, he's going to have to really turn it on to be a "steal" at 5-6. I was sold on Portis, but won't waste an early 1st rounder on a RB who's already banged up.

 

[ATC1]

Portis begins rehab

Redskins Report: Springs likely to miss opener; Portis begins rehab

By JIM DUCIBELLA , The Virginian-Pilot

© August 17, 2006

ASHBURN - Washington Redskins director of medicine Bubba Tyer said Wednesday that cornerback Shawn Springs will miss 4-6 weeks after having surgery on his groin. That makes it a virtual certainty he will miss the Sept. 11 season opener against Minnesota and means he could sit out the Week 2 game at Dallas.

"You talk to the player and they tell you they'll be back for the first game," said Tyer, who added that such a quick recovery was highly unlikely. That opens the primary competition for Springs' spot to Kenny Wright, Christian Morton and newly acquired Mike Rumph.

Tyer said Springs' latest injury was related to the one he played through at the end of last season. He passed team physicals in February and March, another during organized team activities and another before training camp. After the first week of camp, Springs began to feel pain in the groin, at which point Tyer ordered tests.

"I'm glad we did it now and miss preseason," he said. "We'll get him ready for the regular season, and get him through the regular season."

Meanwhile, running back Clinton Portis has begun some mild rehab on his separated left shoulder. The workload will increase dramatically this time next week, Tyer said, and "we think we've a shot to get him back (for the opener)."

I know most of you guys don't care, but it bugs the hell out of me. It's a shoulder subluxation not a separated shoulder.

 

[switz]

' date='Aug 17 2006, 02:11 PM' post='5350658'] Lightly diminished carries week one and maybe week 2... he'll be full steam ahead by week 3 for sure. If he falls below RB 5-6 he's a steal in any league.

With diminished carries in the first couple weeks, he's going to have to really turn it on to be a "steal" at 5-6. I was sold on Portis, but won't waste an early 1st rounder on a RB who's already banged up.

Nice to see you again Tommy.. you will never just admit you were wrong about Portis, will you

 

[Blackjacks]

' date='Aug 17 2006, 02:11 PM' post='5350658'] Lightly diminished carries week one and maybe week 2... he'll be full steam ahead by week 3 for sure. If he falls below RB 5-6 he's a steal in any league.

With diminished carries in the first couple weeks, he's going to have to really turn it on to be a "steal" at 5-6. I was sold on Portis, but won't waste an early 1st rounder on a RB who's already banged up.

Nice to see you again Tommy.. you will never just admit you were wrong about Portis, will you

So are you saying your not high on Portis than I guess.

 

[cscmtp]

well i am a HUGE portis and skins fan, and i am not scared ####less to take him at 1.4. :(

 

[tommyGunZ]

' date='Aug 17 2006, 02:11 PM' post='5350658'] Lightly diminished carries week one and maybe week 2... he'll be full steam ahead by week 3 for sure. If he falls below RB 5-6 he's a steal in any league.

With diminished carries in the first couple weeks, he's going to have to really turn it on to be a "steal" at 5-6. I was sold on Portis, but won't waste an early 1st rounder on a RB who's already banged up.

Nice to see you again Tommy.. you will never just admit you were wrong about Portis, will you

I told you back in '02 that Portis was too small to be a dominant back in the NFL and that he wouldn't be able to withstand injuries.

 

[fruity pebbles]

' date='Aug 17 2006, 02:11 PM' post='5350658'] Lightly diminished carries week one and maybe week 2... he'll be full steam ahead by week 3 for sure. If he falls below RB 5-6 he's a steal in any league.

With diminished carries in the first couple weeks, he's going to have to really turn it on to be a "steal" at 5-6. I was sold on Portis, but won't waste an early 1st rounder on a RB who's already banged up.

Nice to see you again Tommy.. you will never just admit you were wrong about Portis, will you

I told you back in '02 that Portis was too small to be a dominant back in the NFL and that he wouldn't be able to withstand injuries.

How's that working out for you?

 

[fruity pebbles]

Starting rehab 4 days after the injury is very quick.

 

[packersfan]

' date='Aug 17 2006, 02:11 PM' post='5350658'] Lightly diminished carries week one and maybe week 2... he'll be full steam ahead by week 3 for sure. If he falls below RB 5-6 he's a steal in any league.

With diminished carries in the first couple weeks, he's going to have to really turn it on to be a "steal" at 5-6. I was sold on Portis, but won't waste an early 1st rounder on a RB who's already banged up.

Nice to see you again Tommy.. you will never just admit you were wrong about Portis, will you

I told you back in '02 that Portis was too small to be a dominant back in the NFL and that he wouldn't be able to withstand injuries.

How's that working out for you?

Tommy, Portis has clearly been a dominant RB. Three of four seasons with more than 1,500 yards rushing and double-digit TDs. Ironically, his career-best season in terms of rushing came in the year when he missed the most games. He's clearly been a dominant RB in this league in the first four seasons of his career.

 

[Sonny Lubick Blowup Doll]

OMG, he kind of did an exercise today!!! KEWL.

 

[Gandalf]

I know most of you guys don't care, but it bugs the hell out of me. It's a shoulder subluxation not a separated shoulder.

It bugs me too. There's a significant difference there.

 

[Sonny Lubick Blowup Doll]

I know most of you guys don't care, but it bugs the hell out of me. It's a shoulder subluxation not a separated shoulder.

It bugs me too. There's a significant difference there.

What exactly is the difference? What is the standard rehab time for the Portis injury? And are there any RB's that have played with it before?

 

[nordstrom24]

I am a little afraid that he falls to me at the 8th spot. If I do wind up picking him then I think I probably shouldn't waste a lot of time in picking up Betts.

The big question is he now worth a 1st round pick if its likely he's out the first three weeks??

 

[jurb26]

I am a little afraid that he falls to me at the 8th spot. If I do wind up picking him then I think I probably shouldn't waste a lot of time in picking up Betts.The big question is he now worth a 1st round pick if its likely he's out the first three weeks??

He wont be out the 1st 3 weeks, so why even worry about it.

 

[ATC1]

I know most of you guys don't care, but it bugs the hell out of me. It's a shoulder subluxation not a separated shoulder.

It bugs me too. There's a significant difference there.

What exactly is the difference? What is the standard rehab time for the Portis injury? And are there any RB's that have played with it before?

http://orthopedics.about.com/cs/shouldersu.../separation.htm - separated shoulderhttp://www.sportsmed.buffalo.edu/info/subluxation.html - sublux.

Sparation involves the AC joint. Sublux involves the ball and socket (glenohumeral) joint.

Is a shoulder separation the same as a shoulder dislocation?

No! These two injuries are commonly confused, but they are very different conditions.

As described above, the shoulder joint is located at the junction of three different bones: the clavicle, the scapula, and the humerus. In a shoulder separation, the junction of the clavicle and scapula is disrupted. In a shoulder dislocation, the humerus (arm bone) is displaced from the socket. Not only are the injuries different in anatomic terms, but the implications for treatment, recovery, and complications are also different.

 

[Gandalf]

What exactly is the difference? What is the standard rehab time for the Portis injury? And are there any RB's that have played with it before?

Good questions. The terminology is confusing, but they are different injuries to different joints. I'm only a med student, but have finished anatomy, so I'll tell you what I know about it. A separated shoulder involves the AC (acromioclavicular) joint. Where the clavicle meets the acromion, a portion of the scapula (shoulder blade). You can feel this joint if you trace your fingers along your clavicle until you hit a palpable elevation, above your arm. It's called a shoulder separation because the shoulder separates from the clavicle when a certain ligaments rupture. This usually results from a hard fall on the shoulder. A dislocated shoulder occurs when the humerus pops (upper arm bone) out of the glenohumeral joint. It can pop out in a number of ways towards the front (anterior) or back (posterior) or just down (inferior), though most occur anteriorly. The axillary nerve (controls deltoid muscle) can be damaged when this happens. If that occurs the patient may not be able to abduct (move it away from body) their arm.Subluxation of the shoulder is a minor disruption of the humerous from the glenohumeral joint. It does not have to be reduced, unlike a dislocation. Subluxation usually results in less soft tissue damage compared to dislocations. But, the joint can be more lax after which can prompt recurring instability.For these injuries recovery depends on the severity. Unfortunately a standard timetable does not exist--it could be days or weeks. One article I read stated that the patient can return to playing the sport when the injured shoulder has full range of motion, at least 80% of the strength of the unaffected shoulder, and the ability to perform the skills of the sport or position comfortably. So it seems like it will depend on Portis's injury, his ability to heal, and his willingness to play through pain.

 

[twistd]

I am a little afraid that he falls to me at the 8th spot. If I do wind up picking him then I think I probably shouldn't waste a lot of time in picking up Betts.The big question is he now worth a 1st round pick if its likely he's out the first three weeks??

I was hoping that Barber or Portis would drop to me at 6. Now I wouldn't take Portis with anything more than a 2nd round pick. The injury will probably require surgery at some point. There is too much risk attached to him to use a high or middle first round pick. There are far too many risks involved with players anyway.

 

[Carter_Can_Fly]

I am a little afraid that he falls to me at the 8th spot. If I do wind up picking him then I think I probably shouldn't waste a lot of time in picking up Betts.The big question is he now worth a 1st round pick if its likely he's out the first three weeks??

I was hoping that Barber or Portis would drop to me at 6. Now I wouldn't take Portis with anything more than a 2nd round pick. The injury will probably require surgery at some point. There is too much risk attached to him to use a high or middle first round pick. There are far too many risks involved with players anyway.

Why will it require surgery?

 

[Gandalf]

I was hoping that Barber or Portis would drop to me at 6. Now I wouldn't take Portis with anything more than a 2nd round pick. The injury will probably require surgery at some point. There is too much risk attached to him to use a high or middle first round pick. There are far too many risks involved with players anyway.

I didn't realize that surgery was a likely event in the future. Did Portis or the team or his doctors say that?

 

[jurb26]

I was hoping that Barber or Portis would drop to me at 6. Now I wouldn't take Portis with anything more than a 2nd round pick. The injury will probably require surgery at some point. There is too much risk attached to him to use a high or middle first round pick. There are far too many risks involved with players anyway.

I didn't realize that surgery was a likely event in the future. Did Portis or the team or his doctors say that?

The guru of all shoulder guru's said surgery was not needed. Where does this surgery talk come from again?

 

[ATC1]

I am a little afraid that he falls to me at the 8th spot. If I do wind up picking him then I think I probably shouldn't waste a lot of time in picking up Betts.

The big question is he now worth a 1st round pick if its likely he's out the first three weeks??

I was hoping that Barber or Portis would drop to me at 6. Now I wouldn't take Portis with anything more than a 2nd round pick. The injury will probably require surgery at some point. There is too much risk attached to him to use a high or middle first round pick. There are far too many risks involved with players anyway.

Why will it require surgery?

I think that is just him saying that.

 

[Gandalf]

I think that is just him saying that.

I think you're right after re-reading it. Surgery in the offseason would make sense if Portis has recurrent dislocations or subluxations, we'll have to wait and see if this is the case. Most team physicians post-pone surgery of this nature until the offseason as long as it's not real bad.

 

[Gandalf]

This is just a sidenote post, in part to bump it lest anyone has any new news on Portis.

Subluxations can be really minor. Two years ago I had a subluxation of my right shoulder. It came right out of the socket when I was picking up a heavy bag filled with books (how sad is that???) and I couldn't move my arm and was in a lot of pain for 10 seconds. My arm was limp until I swung my body backwards and the momentum carried my arm back into place. Once it popped back in there was no pain. At the time I was worried that I would have some lasting serious issues. But that was not the case. The next day my shoulder felt sore--like I had worked out really hard the day before--but I had full movement. I was back to feeling normal within a week. Since then, it has happened two more times, but both were even less minor than the first incident.

It's only one anecdote, but I bring it up because most people seem really concerned about Portis for this season because he'll be banged up at the start of the season. But there is at least one example that I can give you where it really was no big deal. And if he has full movement now and is just "sore" then he still has a couple of weeks to recover. Of course, I'm not getting hit by 275 lb lineman everyday either. But then again, I'm not a world class athlete like Portis with world class personal trainers. And longer term, he can probably rehab and gain the strength needed to protect himself in the future and hopefully avoid surgery.

 

[switz]

I am a little afraid that he falls to me at the 8th spot. If I do wind up picking him then I think I probably shouldn't waste a lot of time in picking up Betts.

The big question is he now worth a 1st round pick if its likely he's out the first three weeks??

I was hoping that Barber or Portis would drop to me at 6. Now I wouldn't take Portis with anything more than a 2nd round pick. The injury will probably require surgery at some point. There is too much risk attached to him to use a high or middle first round pick. There are far too many risks involved with players anyway.

Other people in your leaguue on here?

 

[Sonny Lubick Blowup Doll]

Thanks for the shoulder info.

 

[VTjkru]

Why are people blowing up about this injury? This was a MINOR injury, he doesnt need to be in preseason! The coaches have said he'll be fine, the doctors have said he'll be fine, he's already "rehabing" four days after the injury, what is with the concern?!

 

[remote controller]

' date='Aug 17 2006, 04:11 PM' post='5350658'] Lightly diminished carries week one and maybe week 2... he'll be full steam ahead by week 3 for sure. If he falls below RB 5-6 he's a steal in any league.

Too bad their bye week isn't until week 8. it would have been a nice year to have had an earlier one. I think you are being plenty optomistic here. I bet he is very limited through the first 3 weeks.

 

[Rounders]

Anybody hear how Portis is doing? Any homers hear anything?

My draft is in 5 hours and any last minute updates would be appreciated.

TIA.

 

[redman]

I wouldn't expect to hear anything but bad news for the next 7-10 days, and I've heard nothing. He's rehabbing. That's all we know for now.

 

[SteelerMurf]

Starting rehab 4 days after the injury is very quick.

NO it is no quick to start rehab 4 days after the injury, heck I had reconstructive rotary cuff shoulder surgery and the very next morning I started rehab.And seriously, rehab right now could consist of him just getting a range of motion. It's not like he is in there powerlifting. He may not yet be extending his arm completely and freely over his head.

 

[Da Guru]

' date='Aug 17 2006, 05:11 PM' post='5350658'] Lightly diminished carries week one and maybe week 2... he'll be full steam ahead by week 3 for sure. If he falls below RB 5-6 he's a steal in any league.

Too big of a risk right now.

 

[Gopher State]

' date='Aug 17 2006, 05:11 PM' post='5350658'] Lightly diminished carries week one and maybe week 2... he'll be full steam ahead by week 3 for sure. If he falls below RB 5-6 he's a steal in any league.

Too big of a risk right now.

I agree to much risk, for a first round pick. I have not seen anywhere that they state Portis will be 100 by any week, let alone week 3

 

[SteelerMurf]

Why are people blowing up about this injury? This was a MINOR injury, he doesnt need to be in preseason! The coaches have said he'll be fine, the doctors have said he'll be fine, he's already "rehabing" four days after the injury, what is with the concern?!

See my comments on rehab above. You may think it is a minor injury, but let me ask you...do you know exactly what happens when your shoulder dislocates? Something in his shoulder was damaged and has been stretched to allow this injury to occur. Ask anyone who has ever had this injury and they will tell you that the odds of this happening again are very good. And to those who won't mind week #1 and #2 limited carries....have you lost your mind? You will be kicking yourself silly when you start 0-2 and are watching healthy RBs get their full boat load of touches. Then you won't want to start him week #3. Oh and I forgot to mention....have fun week #1 when he is listed as questionable. Nothing like starting off your fantasy football season glued to the TV wondering if Portis is gonna suit up and if he does how much will he play, will he get re-injured? You guys are taking this as no bid deal? Uhhhgggg :X YOu have all drank from the Clinton Portis cool-aid. You have drunk so much your man love is blinding to fantasy football 101.....avoid players with injury.

 

[Guru]

Anybody hear how Portis is doing? Any homers hear anything?My draft is in 5 hours and any last minute updates would be appreciated.TIA.

Just secure Betts as your handcuff. He is going on average at 10:03 in 14 team drafts according to Antsports average draft info from Aug 14-Aug 19. The earliest he went was 8:09 and the latest was 12:14. Check antsports if your league is a different size.

 

[mac daddy]

' date='Aug 17 2006, 04:11 PM' post='5350658'] Lightly diminished carries week one and maybe week 2... he'll be full steam ahead by week 3 for sure. If he falls below RB 5-6 he's a steal in any league.

Too bad their bye week isn't until week 8. it would have been a nice year to have had an earlier one. I think you are being plenty optomistic here. I bet he is very limited through the first 3 weeks.

This would be worse, IMO, because they would likely leave him out altogether until the bye week is over.

 

[Da Guru]

Why are people blowing up about this injury? This was a MINOR injury, he doesnt need to be in preseason! The coaches have said he'll be fine, the doctors have said he'll be fine, he's already "rehabing" four days after the injury, what is with the concern?!

See my comments on rehab above. You may think it is a minor injury, but let me ask you...do you know exactly what happens when your shoulder dislocates? Something in his shoulder was damaged and has been stretched to allow this injury to occur. Ask anyone who has ever had this injury and they will tell you that the odds of this happening again are very good. And to those who won't mind week #1 and #2 limited carries....have you lost your mind? You will be kicking yourself silly when you start 0-2 and are watching healthy RBs get their full boat load of touches.YOu have all drank from the Clinton Portis cool-aid. You have drunk so much your man love is blinding to fantasy football 101.....avoid players with injury.

I agree..his whole shoulder popped out of joint. These kinds if injuries tend to happen again, and again. For a RB that lowers his shoulder into tacklers this is not good. I really liked Portis before, but now I would stay clear with my first pick. Just can`t afford to draft damaged goods.

 

[SteelerMurf]

This is just a sidenote post, in part to bump it lest anyone has any new news on Portis. Subluxations can be really minor. Two years ago I had a subluxation of my right shoulder. It came right out of the socket when I was picking up a heavy bag filled with books (how sad is that???) and I couldn't move my arm and was in a lot of pain for 10 seconds. My arm was limp until I swung my body backwards and the momentum carried my arm back into place. Once it popped back in there was no pain. At the time I was worried that I would have some lasting serious issues. But that was not the case. The next day my shoulder felt sore--like I had worked out really hard the day before--but I had full movement. I was back to feeling normal within a week. Since then, it has happened two more times, but both were even less minor than the first incident. It's only one anecdote, but I bring it up because most people seem really concerned about Portis for this season because he'll be banged up at the start of the season. But there is at least one example that I can give you where it really was no big deal. And if he has full movement now and is just "sore" then he still has a couple of weeks to recover. Of course, I'm not getting hit by 275 lb lineman everyday either. But then again, I'm not a world class athlete like Portis with world class personal trainers. And longer term, he can probably rehab and gain the strength needed to protect himself in the future and hopefully avoid surgery.

It's funny, you say it is minor, yet your shoulder dislocates 2 more times and from the sounds of it you weren't even doing sports when it happened. I mean your shoulder went out picking up books, not tackling someone as Portis' has. Yours was probably a small dislocation, but still now your shoulder goes out doing non-football related things....imagine what it would be like playing pro football. I was in high school football with this injury and this injury does not heal itself unless he barely dislocated his shoulder (if there is such a thing). IT WILL POP OUT AGAIN. You have just confirmed what I said earlier. This isn't an injury that just goes away, it keeps happening even if you aren't playing a sport. Before I had my surgery, I must have dislocated my shoulder 12 times, and once was while I was rolling over in bed.

 

[Rovers]

Starting rehab 4 days after the injury is very quick.

NO it is no quick to start rehab 4 days after the injury, heck I had reconstructive rotary cuff shoulder surgery and the very next morning I started rehab.And seriously, rehab right now could consist of him just getting a range of motion. It's not like he is in there powerlifting. He may not yet be extending his arm completely and freely over his head.

WHAT? That is NUTS. I had a full rotator tear (completely unrelated to Portis' injury, btw) and I went a FULL 2 weeks before doing anything at all. I had to sleep sitting up for the first week to 10 days, and was on serious pain killer meds. Even during the second week, I couldn't even get my other hand into the armpit to shower. I was told I'd be out of work for 6 months, but went back in 3, after busting my nut in rehab. Frankly.... I just don't believe you... I think you must have had a less major surgery. I could do ZERO after my surgery, and I mean ZERO. Couldn't even lay down, on my side ot otherewise. Slept in a recliner, in the upright position. I had a knee done, a thumb rewired, sinus surgery... nothing even came close to the pain and recovery of that shoulder surgery... not anywhere close to it.PS: When they cut the tendon, and scrape the humerous, and use anchors imbedded into the humerous bone, that new connection of ligamnet to bone has to be rested for a period of time, or risk ripping the anchors out. Not buying your story.

 

[mac daddy]

Won't he be wearing some sort of shoulder harness when he comes back that would help? Is there such a thing?

 

[redman]

Starting rehab 4 days after the injury is very quick.

NO it is no quick to start rehab 4 days after the injury, heck I had reconstructive rotary cuff shoulder surgery and the very next morning I started rehab.And seriously, rehab right now could consist of him just getting a range of motion. It's not like he is in there powerlifting. He may not yet be extending his arm completely and freely over his head.

WHAT? That is NUTS. I had a full rotator tear (completely unrelated to Portis' injury, btw) and I went a FULL 2 weeks before doing anything at all. I had to sleep sitting up for the first week to 10 days, and was on serious pain killer meds. Even during the second week, I couldn't even get my other hand into the armpit to shower. I was told I'd be out of work for 6 months, but went back in 3, after busting my nut in rehab. Frankly.... I just don't believe you... I think you must have had a less major surgery. I could do ZERO after my surgery, and I mean ZERO. Couldn't even lay down, on my side ot otherewise. Slept in a recliner, in the upright position. I had a knee done, a thumb rewired, sinus surgery... nothing even came close to the pain and recovery of that shoulder surgery... not anywhere close to it.PS: When they cut the tendon, and scrape the humerous, and use anchors imbedded into the humerous bone, that new connection of ligamnet to bone has to be rested for a period of time, or risk ripping the anchors out. Not buying your story.

I don't know what you're talking about. I helped my surgeon perform the procedure and then we played raquetball right afterwards.

 

[AcousticNut]

Why are people blowing up about this injury? This was a MINOR injury, he doesnt need to be in preseason! The coaches have said he'll be fine, the doctors have said he'll be fine, he's already "rehabing" four days after the injury, what is with the concern?!

"Redskins running backs coach Ernest Byner doesn't believe that when Clinton Portis (shoulder) returns he can stay 100 percent." *Linkage*- Doesn't exactly sound like a "he'll be fine" from his coach.

 

[Rovers]

Starting rehab 4 days after the injury is very quick.

NO it is no quick to start rehab 4 days after the injury, heck I had reconstructive rotary cuff shoulder surgery and the very next morning I started rehab.And seriously, rehab right now could consist of him just getting a range of motion. It's not like he is in there powerlifting. He may not yet be extending his arm completely and freely over his head.

WHAT? That is NUTS. I had a full rotator tear (completely unrelated to Portis' injury, btw) and I went a FULL 2 weeks before doing anything at all. I had to sleep sitting up for the first week to 10 days, and was on serious pain killer meds. Even during the second week, I couldn't even get my other hand into the armpit to shower. I was told I'd be out of work for 6 months, but went back in 3, after busting my nut in rehab. Frankly.... I just don't believe you... I think you must have had a less major surgery. I could do ZERO after my surgery, and I mean ZERO. Couldn't even lay down, on my side ot otherewise. Slept in a recliner, in the upright position. I had a knee done, a thumb rewired, sinus surgery... nothing even came close to the pain and recovery of that shoulder surgery... not anywhere close to it.PS: When they cut the tendon, and scrape the humerous, and use anchors imbedded into the humerous bone, that new connection of ligamnet to bone has to be rested for a period of time, or risk ripping the anchors out. Not buying your story.

I don't know what you're talking about. I helped my surgeon perform the procedure and then we played raquetball right afterwards.

 

[Gandalf]

It's funny, you say it is minor, yet your shoulder dislocates 2 more times and from the sounds of it you weren't even doing sports when it happened. I mean your shoulder went out picking up books, not tackling someone as Portis' has. Yours was probably a small dislocation, but still now your shoulder goes out doing non-football related things....imagine what it would be like playing pro football. I was in high school football with this injury and this injury does not heal itself unless he barely dislocated his shoulder (if there is such a thing). IT WILL POP OUT AGAIN. You have just confirmed what I said earlier. This isn't an injury that just goes away, it keeps happening even if you aren't playing a sport. Before I had my surgery, I must have dislocated my shoulder 12 times, and once was while I was rolling over in bed.

Just a point of clarification. I did not dislocate my shoulder, which requires someone to reduce it back into place. What happened to me was subluxation, and yes it was minor because immediately after it popped back into place, I had full range of motion and little pain. Just soreness the next day. This was how I described my injury. If this was what happened to Portis--and the sense I get was that his was worse than mine--then he easily could have played football the next day. Regarding Portis, none of us can really say how long he will be out. The question is how much do you discount Portis' value for his injury? I honestly don't know. Right now, I'd pass on Portis because of this injury and the unknown (i.e., how bad did he really hurt it?), but I'd really like more information about his injury in particular. No one here has examined him and we have no idea where he is in his rehab. A subluxation injury can take days or weeks, which is what I said in earlier posts. The medical literature seems to support what you are saying in terms of this type of injury recurring, which I also mentioned in a prior post. From your tone it seems like you think I disagree with you, but I'm not sure why you came to that conclusion if that's the case. I would like more information about Portis' injury and if I cannot get it, then I would stay away from drafting him, unless he really fell far. It sounds like you think the same thing.

 

[Gandalf]

"Redskins running backs coach Ernest Byner doesn't believe that when Clinton Portis (shoulder) returns he can stay 100 percent." *Linkage*

- Doesn't exactly sound like a "he'll be fine" from his coach.

That's a bad sign indeed if it's what Byner meant. But even then was he saying that Portis can't stay 100 percent for this season or ever again? I'm wondering if this quote was taken out of context at all. I own Betts so I'd be real happy to see him get his share of carries. I'm just wondering if this is an overly negative portrayal by a quote that sounded worse than it was meant to.

 

[rubrink]

Just took the risk and grabbed Portis at pick 9 in my 14-team keeper (initial year, initial draft)league. I had ROnnie Brown targeted, but when Portis fell, I couldnt pass it up.

 

[BigRed]

OK auction league people: what would you pay for him in a $100 league, say fairly typical scoring/roster size (about 16ish)? I can't help but knock him down a buck or 3.

 

[davidwb]

listened to the redskins pre-game show on the radio a bit ago, and gibbs and byner both were still hopeful that portis would be able to play in week 1 -- but they couldn't guarantee it.

interestingly, byner said that he didn't think that portis would try to restrict his game once he got back.

so, not much new news in here i'm afraid -- just the latest talk from the insiders.