aldelgreco
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Portis disappointment thread (1 Viewer)
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WarRedbirds
Footballguy
84 yards is great if it's coming from your RB3 taken in the 5th round.
Real Man of Genius
Footballguy
That's 1344 over a full season. Would've been 2nd in the NFL last year.
sholditch
Footballguy
Look, if you took Portis in the first round you didn't do so because you thought you were getting a home-run threat. You took Portis because he is essentially a safe bet. You know he's not going to get you huge points week-to-week, but he will rarely completely let you down. If anything, owners should be encouraged knowing that even when the Skins are completely outclassed, out of a game by the 4th quarter, go 3-13 on third, and lost out bigtime to their opponent in ToP (24 to 35) he still got you 80+ yards. Now, what worries me is that things could be like this for the Skins all year. Zorn looks completely lost on the sidelines and the team just doesn't seem prepared. This game could be a big learning curve, or it could set the mark for the season. I am going to hope it's a learning curve. Regardless, if Campbell keeps playing this bad Collins will get the nod and then at least they will be able to convert some third downs.
I own Portis in two leagues and I am encouraged by his performance but worried about the glaringly ineffective playcalling and QB play. Also, the o-line held up pretty well.
I own Portis in two leagues and I am encouraged by his performance but worried about the glaringly ineffective playcalling and QB play. Also, the o-line held up pretty well.
Shooter McGavin
Down the middle
I love week 1 panic. The Washington offense will be much improved by next week, when they're not playing against the Giants defense. Campbell will be fine I think that Zorn will realize that he has to mix up the play calling to have a chance to score. 6 passes in the first half isn't going to get it done. Waiting to throw the ball until the defense knows you have to throw is not good strategy. I don't think Zorn is Art Shell, so he'll adjust and the play calling will improve, and the passing and running games with improve with it.
Statcruncher
Footballguy
Then that puts it at 8 (add Lewis and Westbrook). My point is if you expect to get 10+ TD's out of your first pick every year you are out of luck. If you are picking 1-4 then you have pretty good odds. 5-9 is a coin flip and 10-12 is wishful thinking. I don't know where you picked but Portis dropped to the 10th pick in my draft and I was happy to get him. No, I'm not thrilled with 84 yards but given the performance of the Washington O I feel pretty lucky he got 84 yards. They'll get better and his numbers will improve, it's just a matter of how much and how soon.
sholditch
Footballguy
Shooter, what are your reasons for faith in Zorn? Just asking cause I know nothing about him and would love to hear something remotely encouraging.
Tanner9919
Footballguy
against a good rush defense with that pathetic play calling last night, Portis was a stud, all things considered!
Zorn .
he looks clueless, like a drunk who walks out of a bar at 1.30pm and realizes its still sunny outside..
Zorn
.he looks clueless, like a drunk who walks out of a bar at 1.30pm and realizes its still sunny outside..
couldn't get much worse for the WAS offense last night and Portis still put up 80 yards.
and let's not forget that incredible block he threw while helping out the left side of his line.
One thing was clear last night: Portis looks strong and healthy and really those are the only things that have ever kept him from being a valuable fantasy commodity.
and let's not forget that incredible block he threw while helping out the left side of his line.
One thing was clear last night: Portis looks strong and healthy and really those are the only things that have ever kept him from being a valuable fantasy commodity.
Shooter McGavin
Down the middle
He's worked with QBs for a long time, and had pretty good success with them, helping Hasselbeck to become the QB that he is now. I think he seems like a bright guy and will learn from this game. You've got to remember that this was the defending Super Bowl champs they were playing. I think watching the tape will show him some of the mistakes he made, and you'll see more balance in the coming weeks. And Cooley will be a much bigger part of the offense. It also doesn't hurt that their next two games are against the Saints and Cardinals.
drfeelgood
Footballguy
Synthesizer
Footballguy
Plus last year was a down year for TD scoring. Usually at least a dozen guys get 10+ TDs.
Bonfire
Footballguy
im more concerned with the state of the Washington Oline than anything else. im curious if Tuck & Co. of the Giants Dline are really that good? Or if the Wash Oline is really that bad. it doesnt bode well for Portis if hes getting hit by 2 guys 3 yards behind the LOS every few plays :/ anyone have any insight into the Wash Oline?
sholditch
Footballguy
Just from what I saw I thought they played well, and Portis getting hit behind the line is more the fault of the playcalling than the line. They also seemed to be able to give Campbell plenty of time on most plays, even though he did nothing with it. Man I am glad that Portis is the only Redskin I own.
WarRedbirds
Footballguy
If we are going to play the extrapolating game, then you'd have to include receiving yards and touchdowns as well. So you'd be happy with a running back in the first round that finished with 1344 yards rushing, 0 yards receiving, and 0 TD's? I'd venture a guess to say that this is not first round material.
Banger
Footballguy
well, it's a good thing that the season isn't one game long....
very few are addressing the actual point.
yes portis played great. he made things happen and is certainly one of the best rb is the game. this is all the more impressive given his teams offensive ineptitude.
but this is fantasy, and its about production. its not about who is most talented or who makes their team best.
its about who puts up the best numbers. portis' value is greatly diminished by the new and likely possibility that his team wont be able to move the ball. he wont get many goal line carries.
worse, nfl defenses are generally good at adjusting. after this game the adjustment is quite obv, stack the line and make campbell try to beat you. this is very bad for portis. i think he will trend downward.
i would be looking to move him while most ppl still think he can bounce back. after 3 weeks of this, his value will be shot and you should keep him i would imagine. but for now, i think moving him for a similar rb or strong wr would be shrewd.
im disappointed that no one in this thread is commenting on his market value. wayne, braylon, jacobs, lynch, gore, mcgahee. i think i would deal him for any of these guys right now, before its too late.
yes portis played great. he made things happen and is certainly one of the best rb is the game. this is all the more impressive given his teams offensive ineptitude.
but this is fantasy, and its about production. its not about who is most talented or who makes their team best.
its about who puts up the best numbers. portis' value is greatly diminished by the new and likely possibility that his team wont be able to move the ball. he wont get many goal line carries.
worse, nfl defenses are generally good at adjusting. after this game the adjustment is quite obv, stack the line and make campbell try to beat you. this is very bad for portis. i think he will trend downward.
i would be looking to move him while most ppl still think he can bounce back. after 3 weeks of this, his value will be shot and you should keep him i would imagine. but for now, i think moving him for a similar rb or strong wr would be shrewd.
im disappointed that no one in this thread is commenting on his market value. wayne, braylon, jacobs, lynch, gore, mcgahee. i think i would deal him for any of these guys right now, before its too late.
sholditch
Footballguy
I think you are overreacting a bit. Not crazy overreacting as there seems to be genuine cause for concern for this offense. They did not look ready for the season at all, but I think it's equally bad to assume that the first game will set the tone for the offense all season. Of course, I have no real reason to think things will get better, other than the fact that they can't really get much worse. Give NYG some credit: they are a very good defense despite losing some fairly major players. Also, I don't think the team rides and dies with Campbell this season. I think if Campbell doesn't seriously step up his game over the next two games, he could be sat for Todd Collins, who while not very exciting, is a much better QB and game manager than Campbell, and will be able to keep drives alive.
Trust me, a new coach will not let 3-13 on third downs stand for long. That is probably the most damning stat against Campbell, as almost all the thirds were passing downs. It's not like Portis was getting stuffed on 3-2 the whole time. That will not stand on any NFL team if there is a slight hope that changing personnel will improve it.
Trust me, a new coach will not let 3-13 on third downs stand for long. That is probably the most damning stat against Campbell, as almost all the thirds were passing downs. It's not like Portis was getting stuffed on 3-2 the whole time. That will not stand on any NFL team if there is a slight hope that changing personnel will improve it.
ScoobyDoo
Footballguy
Could happen.If you think its over already trade him now. Your not going to get better value then now if this trend continues.
UlyssesNorris
Faulknerian Idiot Man-Child.
I may be wrong about the exact numbers, but I think Portis had 10 yards for every minute of possession time the 'skins had last night. That won't happen every week.
I'm not worried at all. I thought he looked OK, actually.
I'm not worried at all. I thought he looked OK, actually.
Kitrick Taylor
Footballguy
Just a little reminder that the 2003 NE Patriots lost in week 1 to the Buffalo Bills 31-0. The Patriots amassed a total of 239 yards of offense in that game.
Those same Patriots went on to win the Superbowl that year.
Not saying Washington is gonna win it all, or there is no reason for concern whatsoever, just that its just one game. If the Redskins continue to look this terrible for the next couple of weeks, that's a different story.
Those same Patriots went on to win the Superbowl that year.
Not saying Washington is gonna win it all, or there is no reason for concern whatsoever, just that its just one game. If the Redskins continue to look this terrible for the next couple of weeks, that's a different story.
AnonymousBob
Footballguy
It's not what Portis did or didn't do that should concern people. It's Zorn and the Redskins. If they had looked great, good or even decent in the preseason we could all brush this aside and chalk it up to going against the SB champs. But the Redskins have looked beyond horrid. I have not seen playcalling that lousy since last year's Niners. Truly pathetic job. The fact the playcalling and offense as a whole has yet to show signs of being on the same page I don't think anybody should just ignore this game. Campbell looked worse than Vince Young.
Last thing, Portis is/was overrated this season. What he did last night is what he'll do most games. He's a fine #2 rb but a rather weak one. Yes he will likely finish in the top ten but that's simply because he won't miss games. Being able to count on a guy IS valuable but you can't or at least shouldn't count on much more than what you got last night.
Despite everybody's impressions of the guy he doesn't rip off many long runs. He's not going to have a ypc higher than the low 4's (4.3 imo is being generous).
I believe you can find lesser name running backs that will give you similar ppg scoring. If you can find an owner who thinks he's stealing Portis from you after a one week panic then by all means sell him if you're getting good value.
Last thing, Portis is/was overrated this season. What he did last night is what he'll do most games. He's a fine #2 rb but a rather weak one. Yes he will likely finish in the top ten but that's simply because he won't miss games. Being able to count on a guy IS valuable but you can't or at least shouldn't count on much more than what you got last night.
Despite everybody's impressions of the guy he doesn't rip off many long runs. He's not going to have a ypc higher than the low 4's (4.3 imo is being generous).
I believe you can find lesser name running backs that will give you similar ppg scoring. If you can find an owner who thinks he's stealing Portis from you after a one week panic then by all means sell him if you're getting good value.
mr. furley
Footballguy
i waived him this morning
Furley wait...lolto the op, fwiw, he's currently 2nd in the nfl in rushing.
Traders2001
Footballguy
Portis looked much much much bigger then he ever looked ( I dunno what type of vitamins he took in the off-season ) but he also looked much much slower .
Ha also plays on wahts going to be one of the worst offense and actually one of the worst team in the NFL , Zorn will not get the job done he has zero experience at head coaching ( Remember Cameron last year ) .All he has is a few years of QB coach and one year of OC it wont work .
Ha also plays on wahts going to be one of the worst offense and actually one of the worst team in the NFL , Zorn will not get the job done he has zero experience at head coaching ( Remember Cameron last year ) .All he has is a few years of QB coach and one year of OC it wont work .
T Bell
Footballguy
Portis got over 80 yards and averaged almost 4 ypc against a very good defense with very little help from his passing offense.
I'm convinced the passing game will improve (how much we can debate), but Portis will be fine and will improve as Zorn and Campbell get settled in.
This is about expectations IMHO. If you're looking for elite numbers out of Portis like LT or AP put up, you're going to be disappointed. If, however, you were expecting solidly top-10 numbers out of him, you'll be fine. If anything he's more of a buy low opportunity (Cooley is too - Zorn said in his presser yesterday that two of the plays designed to go to Cooley got negated by Randle El's two false start penalties; he's very much part of that passing game, so don't panic there either).
I'm convinced the passing game will improve (how much we can debate), but Portis will be fine and will improve as Zorn and Campbell get settled in.
This is about expectations IMHO. If you're looking for elite numbers out of Portis like LT or AP put up, you're going to be disappointed. If, however, you were expecting solidly top-10 numbers out of him, you'll be fine. If anything he's more of a buy low opportunity (Cooley is too - Zorn said in his presser yesterday that two of the plays designed to go to Cooley got negated by Randle El's two false start penalties; he's very much part of that passing game, so don't panic there either).
Addai's Adidas
Footballguy
I don't know what you guys are complaining about. Betts was nowhere to be found.
T Bell
Footballguy
Well, neither was Cooley, but I know that will change. I do expect Betts to be involved in the passing game, and to end up with more catches than Portis has. They tried to pass the ball to Betts a couple of times and weren't able to connect, including on a bad pass by Campbell on a screen play to the left. In terms of carries, though, Portis won't lose much to Betts.
-baller
Footballguy
they only had the ball for 8 minutes...?
I couldn't find anyone to take him lol
Big Score
Footballguy
Now that bump you wanted didn't take very, long did it?
Heh...and is Cambell still the worst QB this side of Vince Young, and Zorn a clueless naif? Amazing how fast fortunes change. 
That being said, this was probably the perfect opportunity for the Skins - NO on the road, sadly depleted on D, without Colston (who I think they will really miss)...I don't expect too many games where the Skins generate 450 yards of offense.
That being said, this was probably the perfect opportunity for the Skins - NO on the road, sadly depleted on D, without Colston (who I think they will really miss)...I don't expect too many games where the Skins generate 450 yards of offense.
T Bell
Footballguy
This was an encouraging step forward for a passing game and offensive coaching staff that really needed it. I don't take this to be the pace that they're going to maintain going forward (at least in the immediate future) given how injured that Saints defense was, but they still executed very well when they needed to, and any come-from-behind win is impressive. Portis will be fine.
Archie Bunker
Footballguy
A buddy of mine has too many QBs, with Campbell being the lowest rated. I cautioned him about trading Campbell, as the kid has lots of potential. Last year, he consistently overthrew Moss on plays like the one where they scored yesterday. If he & Moss continue to improve ont he chemistry, he has as much upside as anyone in the league.Heh...and is Cambell still the worst QB this side of Vince Young, and Zorn a clueless naif? Amazing how fast fortunes change.
Big Score
Footballguy
Is it time to bump it yet? Or should we wait a few more games before we say you overreacted in the first game?
mr. furley
Footballguy
i bet you feel like a dummy today, guy
KellysHeroes
Footballguy
whats up w/ the yearly Portis hate... remember that nygiants guy who was allover portis last offseason; what happened to him?
KoolKat
Footballguy
I beat you to the punch a few weeks ago.Is it time to bump it yet? Or should we wait a few more games before we say you overreacted in the first game?
Michael Fox Fan
Footballguy
man that nygiants guy was annoying.
WarRedbirds
Footballguy
Guess I swung and missed on this one huh? Here to eat crow...Anywho, I'll probably draft him next year and he'll get turf toe or something...!How many points do you get in your league for blocks...?Just kidding. I thought Portis looked ok. Not as elusive or powerful as I like for a first round pick however. I wouldn't have felt too good about the pick if I was forced to make it this year.
