Portis to see increased workload in '08? (1 Viewer)

[Michael Fox Fan]

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After studying Clinton Portis on tape during the offseason, Redskins coach Jim Zorn is preparing the seven-year vet for a bigger role in the offense.

Portis, who finished sixth in the league in rushing with 1,262 yards, is spending his offseason training at the team's complex. "We think that he can be a 1,800-yard back this season," assistant head coach/running backs Stump Mitchell said. "Running behind that offensive line, he should average four-and-a-half to five yards per carry."

The Redskins are keeping their blocking schemes intact and believe that continuity will allow Portis to thrive as their feature back. Furthermore, the Redskins are contemplating expanding Portis' role as a receiver after the vet hauled in a career-high 47 passes last season.

"We know that he was productive as a receiver last season, but most of his receptions were of the 'check-down' variety," Mitchell said. "We will see how he runs routes during mini-camps and O.T.As (Organized Team Activities) and determine if we can make him a bigger part of the passing game. He is a complete player with an unbelievable set of skills and we must find a way to maximize his talent."

 

[BigJim®]

Please be true.

 

[eric rymer]

Please be true.

 

[Banger]

aaahhh the offseason.....

 

[MAC_32]

375-400 carries and 50+ receptions? If that's the case I'd be considering selling high after the 08 season.

 

[dgreen]

Not sure it's correct to say he'll see an increased workload. Portis was 2nd in the NFL last year in touches, and ranked 4th and 5th in his other two healthy seasons in Washington. So, I don't see his touches increasing.

Stump's right, though, that Portis should have a higher YPC. The state of the OL didn't help there, though, last year. With a fully healthy OL, he'd probably reach 4.5.

In the passing game, I'm hoping Zorn can bring a good screen package with him. The Redskins didn't have a good RB screen game the last four years.

While he may not increase his touches, health on the OL and more productive receptions will lead to more yardage.

 

[Brutis]

People seem to be writing this guy off in dynasty leagues. He will just turn 27 when the season starts. He is 2 years younger and 600 carries less than LT. Still got a good 3 years left.

 

[ThePittbully]

Not sure it's correct to say he'll see an increased workload. Portis was 2nd in the NFL last year in touches, and ranked 4th and 5th in his other two healthy seasons in Washington. So, I don't see his touches increasing.Stump's right, though, that Portis should have a higher YPC. The state of the OL didn't help there, though, last year. With a fully healthy OL, he'd probably reach 4.5.In the passing game, I'm hoping Zorn can bring a good screen package with him. The Redskins didn't have a good RB screen game the last four years.While he may not increase his touches, health on the OL and more productive receptions will lead to more yardage.

A lot of the people down on Portis this offseason aren't accounting for (or don't even realize) how banged up that O-line was last year. I expect Portis to have a much better year in 2008, he may not see more touches but I definitely expect to see more production out of him

 

[jurb26]

Not sure it's correct to say he'll see an increased workload. Portis was 2nd in the NFL last year in touches, and ranked 4th and 5th in his other two healthy seasons in Washington. So, I don't see his touches increasing.Stump's right, though, that Portis should have a higher YPC. The state of the OL didn't help there, though, last year. With a fully healthy OL, he'd probably reach 4.5.In the passing game, I'm hoping Zorn can bring a good screen package with him. The Redskins didn't have a good RB screen game the last four years.While he may not increase his touches, health on the OL and more productive receptions will lead to more yardage.

A lot of the people down on Portis this offseason aren't accounting for (or don't even realize) how banged up that O-line was last year. I expect Portis to have a much better year in 2008, he may not see more touches but I definitely expect to see more production out of him

No doubt. Injuries took what should have been a top 5 Oline in Wash and made it a bottom 5 one for the majority of the season IMO. That, in reality, should make the entire offense better and not just Portis.

 

[B Maverick]

Seems to me that all the screens and passes intended for a rb went to betts. I never understood why they didnt throw to Portis as much when he is a threat in the open field. I know as the season went on it changed alittle but overall, lets run portis up the gut, then throw a screen or draw to betts.

More carries and touches probably isnt feasible, but more production should be.

 

[Michael Fox Fan]

Not sure it's correct to say he'll see an increased workload. Portis was 2nd in the NFL last year in touches, and ranked 4th and 5th in his other two healthy seasons in Washington. So, I don't see his touches increasing.Stump's right, though, that Portis should have a higher YPC. The state of the OL didn't help there, though, last year. With a fully healthy OL, he'd probably reach 4.5.In the passing game, I'm hoping Zorn can bring a good screen package with him. The Redskins didn't have a good RB screen game the last four years.While he may not increase his touches, health on the OL and more productive receptions will lead to more yardage.

A lot of the people down on Portis this offseason aren't accounting for (or don't even realize) how banged up that O-line was last year. I expect Portis to have a much better year in 2008, he may not see more touches but I definitely expect to see more production out of him

No doubt. Injuries took what should have been a top 5 Oline in Wash and made it a bottom 5 one for the majority of the season IMO. That, in reality, should make the entire offense better and not just Portis.

Great points guys. There is also the Jason Campbell factor - unless he can make plays, defenses will focus in on Portis, limiting his big play opportunities. It concerns me a bit that Portis didn't have any big runs...biggest were 31 and 32 yards. But if the O-line sucks that badly, it's tough to find creases and break free.

 

[JPeso]

Not sure it's correct to say he'll see an increased workload. Portis was 2nd in the NFL last year in touches, and ranked 4th and 5th in his other two healthy seasons in Washington. So, I don't see his touches increasing.Stump's right, though, that Portis should have a higher YPC. The state of the OL didn't help there, though, last year. With a fully healthy OL, he'd probably reach 4.5.In the passing game, I'm hoping Zorn can bring a good screen package with him. The Redskins didn't have a good RB screen game the last four years.While he may not increase his touches, health on the OL and more productive receptions will lead to more yardage.

A lot of the people down on Portis this offseason aren't accounting for (or don't even realize) how banged up that O-line was last year. I expect Portis to have a much better year in 2008, he may not see more touches but I definitely expect to see more production out of him

No doubt. Injuries took what should have been a top 5 Oline in Wash and made it a bottom 5 one for the majority of the season IMO. That, in reality, should make the entire offense better and not just Portis.

Great points guys. There is also the Jason Campbell factor - unless he can make plays, defenses will focus in on Portis, limiting his big play opportunities. It concerns me a bit that Portis didn't have any big runs...biggest were 31 and 32 yards. But if the O-line sucks that badly, it's tough to find creases and break free.

All wonderful points and the reason why, assuming no freak injury, he should finish once again as a top 5 FF RB.

 

[dgreen]

Seems to me that all the screens and passes intended for a rb went to betts. I never understood why they didnt throw to Portis as much when he is a threat in the open field. I know as the season went on it changed alittle but overall, lets run portis up the gut, then throw a screen or draw to betts.More carries and touches probably isnt feasible, but more production should be.

Betts runs better routes and has better hands. But, if Portis runs "good enough" routes and has "good enough" hands, then he needs to be more involved.As the article says, they're going to look at Portis' route running in mincamp and OTAs.

 

[jerseys finest]

Not sure it's correct to say he'll see an increased workload. Portis was 2nd in the NFL last year in touches, and ranked 4th and 5th in his other two healthy seasons in Washington. So, I don't see his touches increasing.Stump's right, though, that Portis should have a higher YPC. The state of the OL didn't help there, though, last year. With a fully healthy OL, he'd probably reach 4.5.In the passing game, I'm hoping Zorn can bring a good screen package with him. The Redskins didn't have a good RB screen game the last four years.While he may not increase his touches, health on the OL and more productive receptions will lead to more yardage.

A lot of the people down on Portis this offseason aren't accounting for (or don't even realize) how banged up that O-line was last year. I expect Portis to have a much better year in 2008, he may not see more touches but I definitely expect to see more production out of him

No doubt. Injuries took what should have been a top 5 Oline in Wash and made it a bottom 5 one for the majority of the season IMO. That, in reality, should make the entire offense better and not just Portis.

Great points guys. There is also the Jason Campbell factor - unless he can make plays, defenses will focus in on Portis, limiting his big play opportunities. It concerns me a bit that Portis didn't have any big runs...biggest were 31 and 32 yards. But if the O-line sucks that badly, it's tough to find creases and break free.

as its been said, the oline was horribly injured, which not only brought CP's YPC down, it also affected the ability to break long runs. the line could barely open up holes at the line, they barely, if ever, made it to the second level to keep the few longer runs going. with the line healthy, should be a totally different story. campbell showed some definate improvement as well and i dont think they can stack 8 against CP at this point. Im excited as a CP owner to see what a healthy skins offense can do with campbell having more experience and a healthy line/WRs. It also scares the crap out of me because im an eagles fan

 

[SeniorVBDStudent]

In related news, Shanahan will use one back exclusively, and Jets fans will overwhelmingly vote for Belichick as Coach of the Year.

 

[Interseptopus]

ESPN reported tonight that he is 12 pounds lighter than last season, hoping that will cut down on injury.

Could this be his year finally?

I've been burned by him once, and that's once too many. Pick at your own risk

 

[Lott's Fingertip]

ESPN reported tonight that he is 12 pounds lighter than last season, hoping that will cut down on injury. Could this be his year finally? I've been burned by him once, and that's once too many. Pick at your own risk

1500 total yards, 11 TDs, finished as RB4 by FBG scoring.... also played all 16 games.Just about every RB gets hurt at some point. Who are you going to draft that cannot burn you?

 

[Sabertooth]

Portis is a good player. He was great in Denver but he's only good in Washington. I can't get too excited about him. I'd think he'd be a player I'd wait until the 12 or 13 spot to snag.

 

[Patoons]

Portis is a good player. He was great in Denver but he's only good in Washington. I can't get too excited about him. I'd think he'd be a player I'd wait until the 12 or 13 spot to snag.

The problem I see with Portis is the # of carries he's had thus far. I don't care how young the guy is, he's probably one of the more used backs at 27. His carries/numbers are eerily similar to Edge. I'm staying away, this guy is definitely a sell high, imo.

 

[Michael Fox Fan]

Portis is a good player. He was great in Denver but he's only good in Washington. I can't get too excited about him. I'd think he'd be a player I'd wait until the 12 or 13 spot to snag.

The problem I see with Portis is the # of carries he's had thus far. I don't care how young the guy is, he's probably one of the more used backs at 27. His carries/numbers are eerily similar to Edge. I'm staying away, this guy is definitely a sell high, imo.

Have you tried selling him? The price he fetches right now is ridiculously low. If anything, I think he's a buy low candidate. People value him like he's the #15-20 RB, which is a bit silly.

 

[ThePittbully]

Portis is a good player. He was great in Denver but he's only good in Washington. I can't get too excited about him. I'd think he'd be a player I'd wait until the 12 or 13 spot to snag.

The problem I see with Portis is the # of carries he's had thus far. I don't care how young the guy is, he's probably one of the more used backs at 27. His carries/numbers are eerily similar to Edge. I'm staying away, this guy is definitely a sell high, imo.

Somebody already beat me to this comment, but you can only sell high on a guy who's value is high. I have him on my team, and Im not really worried about a production drop, if anything (as I said earlier in this thread) with a healthy O line and he himself being healthier I expect his production to go up. But I have shopped him around, and no one is buying and if they are interested in buying they arent willing to pay. I think the smart thing would be to wait and see what he does this year, and if he does put up a very nice season THEN look to move him because I agree he does have some high mileage on him

 

[Patoons]

Portis is a good player. He was great in Denver but he's only good in Washington. I can't get too excited about him. I'd think he'd be a player I'd wait until the 12 or 13 spot to snag.

The problem I see with Portis is the # of carries he's had thus far. I don't care how young the guy is, he's probably one of the more used backs at 27. His carries/numbers are eerily similar to Edge. I'm staying away, this guy is definitely a sell high, imo.

Have you tried selling him? The price he fetches right now is ridiculously low. If anything, I think he's a buy low candidate. People value him like he's the #15-20 RB, which is a bit silly.

Yes, I have tried to sell him and did sell him a month ago. I think many are conscious of his high # of touches and thus are somewhat reluctant to buy. That being said - the reason I say sell high is because.....Dynasty - can't imagine that he can be considered a buy low with the amount of carries he's had. My guess is he's around 15-20 (closer to 20) next year's offseason. He's got one top year left, imo.

 

[Michael Fox Fan]

Portis is a good player. He was great in Denver but he's only good in Washington. I can't get too excited about him. I'd think he'd be a player I'd wait until the 12 or 13 spot to snag.

The problem I see with Portis is the # of carries he's had thus far. I don't care how young the guy is, he's probably one of the more used backs at 27. His carries/numbers are eerily similar to Edge. I'm staying away, this guy is definitely a sell high, imo.

Have you tried selling him? The price he fetches right now is ridiculously low. If anything, I think he's a buy low candidate. People value him like he's the #15-20 RB, which is a bit silly.

Yes, I have tried to sell him and did sell him a month ago. I think many are conscious of his high # of touches and thus are somewhat reluctant to buy. That being said - the reason I say sell high is because.....Dynasty - can't imagine that he can be considered a buy low with the amount of carries he's had. My guess is he's around 15-20 (closer to 20) next year's offseason. He's got one top year left, imo.

Ok. What did you sell him for?

 

[Patoons]

Essentially the 1.03 or Beanie Wells (series of trades lead to 1.03, but the initial trade was for Beanie Wells)...

Either way- lots of treads on those tires

 

[cstu]

Portis is a good player. He was great in Denver but he's only good in Washington. I can't get too excited about him. I'd think he'd be a player I'd wait until the 12 or 13 spot to snag.

The problem I see with Portis is the # of carries he's had thus far. I don't care how young the guy is, he's probably one of the more used backs at 27. His carries/numbers are eerily similar to Edge. I'm staying away, this guy is definitely a sell high, imo.

Have you tried selling him? The price he fetches right now is ridiculously low. If anything, I think he's a buy low candidate. People value him like he's the #15-20 RB, which is a bit silly.

I traded the 1.03 for him and think it's worth it to win now. He's tough to value but if he can stay healthy he got a few more top years left in him. I'm not too worried about the carries and as far as Edge goes, had he stayed in Indy he'd still be putting up Addai numbers.

 

[Tanner9919]

Not sure it's correct to say he'll see an increased workload. Portis was 2nd in the NFL last year in touches, and ranked 4th and 5th in his other two healthy seasons in Washington. So, I don't see his touches increasing.

Stump's right, though, that Portis should have a higher YPC. The state of the OL didn't help there, though, last year. With a fully healthy OL, he'd probably reach 4.5.

In the passing game, I'm hoping Zorn can bring a good screen package with him. The Redskins didn't have a good RB screen game the last four years.

While he may not increase his touches, health on the OL and more productive receptions will lead to more yardage.

didn't we hear the same thing last year, and the year before,and they year before that?that line is full of oft-injured vets. Portis is a very good RB, but he's never going to return to the guy he was in Denver.

he'll forever hover around 4.0/4.1 per carry in Washington..

meh..

 

[Michael Fox Fan]

Portis is a good player. He was great in Denver but he's only good in Washington. I can't get too excited about him. I'd think he'd be a player I'd wait until the 12 or 13 spot to snag.

The problem I see with Portis is the # of carries he's had thus far. I don't care how young the guy is, he's probably one of the more used backs at 27. His carries/numbers are eerily similar to Edge. I'm staying away, this guy is definitely a sell high, imo.

Have you tried selling him? The price he fetches right now is ridiculously low. If anything, I think he's a buy low candidate. People value him like he's the #15-20 RB, which is a bit silly.

I traded the 1.03 for him and think it's worth it to win now. He's tough to value but if he can stay healthy he got a few more top years left in him. I'm not too worried about the carries and as far as Edge goes, had he stayed in Indy he'd still be putting up Addai numbers.

Ditto. I really like both Mendenhall and Stewart, but you have to get Portis if the price is only 1.03Given the track record of success for rookie RBs (see: Caddy, Benson, Brown), it's really tough to justify giving up Portis production for the next 2-3 years. But, it all depends on situation - if you have a horrible roster and need to build for the future, it might be a trade to pull the trigger on.

 

[Michael Fox Fan]

Not sure it's correct to say he'll see an increased workload. Portis was 2nd in the NFL last year in touches, and ranked 4th and 5th in his other two healthy seasons in Washington. So, I don't see his touches increasing.

Stump's right, though, that Portis should have a higher YPC. The state of the OL didn't help there, though, last year. With a fully healthy OL, he'd probably reach 4.5.

In the passing game, I'm hoping Zorn can bring a good screen package with him. The Redskins didn't have a good RB screen game the last four years.

While he may not increase his touches, health on the OL and more productive receptions will lead to more yardage.

didn't we hear the same thing last year, and the year before,and they year before that?that line is full of oft-injured vets. Portis is a very good RB, but he's never going to return to the guy he was in Denver.

he'll forever hover around 4.0/4.1 per carry in Washington..

meh..

yeah, it gets annoying to only have a top-10 RB who you can consistently snag as a pick in the 10-15 RB range. i hate good value like that. he finished at around RB #6 last year - despite the OL and Jason Campbell.

 

[Wildman]

Portis has become regarded like a latter day Curtis Martin, which isn't a bad thing. He's a solid #2 RB capable of performing like a elite player.

 

[fatness]

that line is full of oft-injured vets.

Yes, it is. While I'm encouraged that they're not changing the blocking scheme for running plays, I do hope they change the playcalling. "Portis into the middle for 2 yards" has gotten old.

 

[dgreen]

Essentially the 1.03 or Beanie Wells (series of trades lead to 1.03, but the initial trade was for Beanie Wells)...Either way- lots of treads on those tires

 

[Michael Fox Fan]

Portis has become regarded like a latter day Curtis Martin, which isn't a bad thing. He's a solid #2 RB capable of performing like a elite player.

He was far better than RB2 last year. What do you think has changed (in the negative) since then, other than his age?

 

[dgreen]

Portis has become regarded like a latter day Curtis Martin, which isn't a bad thing. He's a solid #2 RB capable of performing like a elite player.

He was far better than RB2 last year. What do you think has changed (in the negative) since then, other than his age?

My main concern is that the new coaching staff won't be up for the challenge and the whole team suffers.

 

[Brutis]

Portis has become regarded like a latter day Curtis Martin, which isn't a bad thing. He's a solid #2 RB capable of performing like a elite player.

He was far better than RB2 last year. What do you think has changed (in the negative) since then, other than his age?

A rb that just turns 27 a week after this season starts is no factor imo. The guy is still in his prime. The people that shy away from him in dynasty leagues are guys that aren't interested in playing to win, they are always playing for the "future". Unfortunately the future never comes to these owners.

 

[BigJim®]

Portis has become regarded like a latter day Curtis Martin, which isn't a bad thing. He's a solid #2 RB capable of performing like a elite player.

He was far better than RB2 last year. What do you think has changed (in the negative) since then, other than his age?

A rb that just turns 27 a week after this season starts is no factor imo. The guy is still in his prime. The people that shy away from him in dynasty leagues are guys that aren't interested in playing to win, they are always playing for the "future". Unfortunately the future never comes to these owners.

 

[Patoons]

Essentially the 1.03 or Beanie Wells (series of trades lead to 1.03, but the initial trade was for Beanie Wells)...Either way- lots of treads on those tires

[hijack\]Not to turn this into an AC forum, but that I don't get. Beanie Wells is likely going to be the McFadden/Peterson of next year's draft. With Portis at the peak and large # of carries. With the depth of this year, the 1.03 is likely leading to Stewart... [/hijack]I don't know that Indy can be compared to Washington when a poster above said Edge would be top X if he were still in Indy. Totally different situations - I don't see how Portis is going to keep this up with the # of career carries he already has at 27.

 

[Brutis]

Essentially the 1.03 or Beanie Wells (series of trades lead to 1.03, but the initial trade was for Beanie Wells)...Either way- lots of treads on those tires

[hijack\]Not to turn this into an AC forum, but that I don't get. Beanie Wells is likely going to be the McFadden/Peterson of next year's draft. With Portis at the peak and large # of carries. With the depth of this year, the 1.03 is likely leading to Stewart... [/hijack]I don't know that Indy can be compared to Washington when a poster above said Edge would be top X if he were still in Indy. Totally different situations - I don't see how Portis is going to keep this up with the # of career carries he already has at 27.

For 1 he doesnt even turn 27 until sept. Atleast get the age right. LT has 600 more carries and he holds up just fine. You seem to forget that these guys are professional athletes, when LT was 26 he was considered in his prime as is most rb's. Portis is no different imo.

 

[Patoons]

Essentially the 1.03 or Beanie Wells (series of trades lead to 1.03, but the initial trade was for Beanie Wells)...Either way- lots of treads on those tires

[hijack\]Not to turn this into an AC forum, but that I don't get. Beanie Wells is likely going to be the McFadden/Peterson of next year's draft. With Portis at the peak and large # of carries. With the depth of this year, the 1.03 is likely leading to Stewart... [/hijack]I don't know that Indy can be compared to Washington when a poster above said Edge would be top X if he were still in Indy. Totally different situations - I don't see how Portis is going to keep this up with the # of career carries he already has at 27.

For 1 he doesnt even turn 27 until sept. Atleast get the age right. LT has 600 more carries and he holds up just fine. You seem to forget that these guys are professional athletes, when LT was 26 he was considered in his prime as is most rb's. Portis is no different imo.

This isn't entirely about age here, but # of carries. I could care less if the guy wer 25. When LT was 26 or 27, he didn't have as many carries as Portis now has. LT's style and Portis' style are fairly different. LT doesn't take as many hits, he routinely runs out of bounds, thus making his # of carries fairly misleading...

 

[Brutis]

Essentially the 1.03 or Beanie Wells (series of trades lead to 1.03, but the initial trade was for Beanie Wells)...Either way- lots of treads on those tires

[hijack\]Not to turn this into an AC forum, but that I don't get. Beanie Wells is likely going to be the McFadden/Peterson of next year's draft. With Portis at the peak and large # of carries. With the depth of this year, the 1.03 is likely leading to Stewart... [/hijack]I don't know that Indy can be compared to Washington when a poster above said Edge would be top X if he were still in Indy. Totally different situations - I don't see how Portis is going to keep this up with the # of career carries he already has at 27.

For 1 he doesnt even turn 27 until sept. Atleast get the age right. LT has 600 more carries and he holds up just fine. You seem to forget that these guys are professional athletes, when LT was 26 he was considered in his prime as is most rb's. Portis is no different imo.

This isn't entirely about age here, but # of carries. I could care less if the guy wer 25. When LT was 26 or 27, he didn't have as many carries as Portis now has. LT's style and Portis' style are fairly different. LT doesn't take as many hits, he routinely runs out of bounds, thus making his # of carries fairly misleading...

LT is a little over 2 years older than Portis with over 600 more carries. Figure 300 carries every year and Portis is right on par with him. I just think people are burying portis a couple years too early. Thats all.

 

[Patoons]

LT is a little over 2 years older than Portis with over 600 more carries. Figure 300 carries every year and Portis is right on par with him. I just think people are burying portis a couple years too early. Thats all.

Portis is two years younger than LT and has 300 less carries. He has more carries at 27 than when LT did. Or in other words, LT is two years older than Portis and he only has 300 more carries. Portis has a lot of wear for his age - similar to Edge.

 

[dgreen]

Essentially the 1.03 or Beanie Wells (series of trades lead to 1.03, but the initial trade was for Beanie Wells)...Either way- lots of treads on those tires

[hijack\]Not to turn this into an AC forum, but that I don't get. Beanie Wells is likely going to be the McFadden/Peterson of next year's draft. With Portis at the peak and large # of carries. With the depth of this year, the 1.03 is likely leading to Stewart... [/hijack]I don't know that Indy can be compared to Washington when a poster above said Edge would be top X if he were still in Indy. Totally different situations - I don't see how Portis is going to keep this up with the # of career carries he already has at 27.

For 1 he doesnt even turn 27 until sept. Atleast get the age right. LT has 600 more carries and he holds up just fine. You seem to forget that these guys are professional athletes, when LT was 26 he was considered in his prime as is most rb's. Portis is no different imo.

This isn't entirely about age here, but # of carries. I could care less if the guy wer 25. When LT was 26 or 27, he didn't have as many carries as Portis now has. LT's style and Portis' style are fairly different. LT doesn't take as many hits, he routinely runs out of bounds, thus making his # of carries fairly misleading...

Portis at age 26 = 1915 touchesLT2 at age 26 = 2044 touches

 

[Brutis]

Essentially the 1.03 or Beanie Wells (series of trades lead to 1.03, but the initial trade was for Beanie Wells)...Either way- lots of treads on those tires

[hijack\]Not to turn this into an AC forum, but that I don't get. Beanie Wells is likely going to be the McFadden/Peterson of next year's draft. With Portis at the peak and large # of carries. With the depth of this year, the 1.03 is likely leading to Stewart... [/hijack]I don't know that Indy can be compared to Washington when a poster above said Edge would be top X if he were still in Indy. Totally different situations - I don't see how Portis is going to keep this up with the # of career carries he already has at 27.

For 1 he doesnt even turn 27 until sept. Atleast get the age right. LT has 600 more carries and he holds up just fine. You seem to forget that these guys are professional athletes, when LT was 26 he was considered in his prime as is most rb's. Portis is no different imo.

This isn't entirely about age here, but # of carries. I could care less if the guy wer 25. When LT was 26 or 27, he didn't have as many carries as Portis now has. LT's style and Portis' style are fairly different. LT doesn't take as many hits, he routinely runs out of bounds, thus making his # of carries fairly misleading...

Portis at age 26 = 1915 touchesLT2 at age 26 = 2044 touches

 

[Patoons]

Essentially the 1.03 or Beanie Wells (series of trades lead to 1.03, but the initial trade was for Beanie Wells)...Either way- lots of treads on those tires

[hijack\]Not to turn this into an AC forum, but that I don't get. Beanie Wells is likely going to be the McFadden/Peterson of next year's draft. With Portis at the peak and large # of carries. With the depth of this year, the 1.03 is likely leading to Stewart... [/hijack]I don't know that Indy can be compared to Washington when a poster above said Edge would be top X if he were still in Indy. Totally different situations - I don't see how Portis is going to keep this up with the # of career carries he already has at 27.

For 1 he doesnt even turn 27 until sept. Atleast get the age right. LT has 600 more carries and he holds up just fine. You seem to forget that these guys are professional athletes, when LT was 26 he was considered in his prime as is most rb's. Portis is no different imo.

This isn't entirely about age here, but # of carries. I could care less if the guy wer 25. When LT was 26 or 27, he didn't have as many carries as Portis now has. LT's style and Portis' style are fairly different. LT doesn't take as many hits, he routinely runs out of bounds, thus making his # of carries fairly misleading...

Portis at age 26 = 1915 touchesLT2 at age 26 = 2044 touches

Difference is carries versus touches. Lot of wear on the guy. What I've said above is that LT notoriously takes fewer hits than RBs as he runs out of bounds.

 

[Brutis]

Essentially the 1.03 or Beanie Wells (series of trades lead to 1.03, but the initial trade was for Beanie Wells)...Either way- lots of treads on those tires

[hijack\]Not to turn this into an AC forum, but that I don't get. Beanie Wells is likely going to be the McFadden/Peterson of next year's draft. With Portis at the peak and large # of carries. With the depth of this year, the 1.03 is likely leading to Stewart... [/hijack]I don't know that Indy can be compared to Washington when a poster above said Edge would be top X if he were still in Indy. Totally different situations - I don't see how Portis is going to keep this up with the # of career carries he already has at 27.

For 1 he doesnt even turn 27 until sept. Atleast get the age right. LT has 600 more carries and he holds up just fine. You seem to forget that these guys are professional athletes, when LT was 26 he was considered in his prime as is most rb's. Portis is no different imo.

This isn't entirely about age here, but # of carries. I could care less if the guy wer 25. When LT was 26 or 27, he didn't have as many carries as Portis now has. LT's style and Portis' style are fairly different. LT doesn't take as many hits, he routinely runs out of bounds, thus making his # of carries fairly misleading...

Portis at age 26 = 1915 touchesLT2 at age 26 = 2044 touches

Difference is carries versus touches. Lot of wear on the guy. What I've said above is that LT notoriously takes fewer hits than RBs as he runs out of bounds.

I'd be willing to bet with LT having that many more "touches" over Portis he also has taken more hits.

 

[jurb26]

Some people just don't know when to stop piling on the dirt. Gotta love how when a person likes a guy he is a "young" insert your age. When they don't he is an "old" insert your age. I've played that card to nabbing Lewis for 2 years in a row (at fantastic value) and Portis last year.

 

[Biabreakable]

I have yet to see any evidence that the number of touches or number of plays have any bearing on the productivity of a RB, Particularly when looking long term.

Portis will be yet another player that we can test this theory with. I believe it is a myth.

The only consideration I would have about a RB getting a large workload (Which is a really positive thing BTW) is if the RB exceeds 400 carries in one season. Eddie George Ricky Williams and Eric Dickerson are some RBs who are examples of players who have reached this threshold that I think people consider when thinking about this theory. The theory of touches having a negative cumulative effect on future performance. However the results are a mixed bag. Ricky Williams ended up quitting (because of refer madness) the year following his 450+ touch season. He has played well since then when he was allowed to play. Dickerson had multiple 400+ touch seasons without any ill effect. Eddie George saw his production decline after multiple 400+ touch seasons. But this also coincided with his age. IIRC LT has had multiple 400+ touch seasons also as has Edge. Especially if you count playoffs.

I am open to more examples. But I think the cumulative touch theory has been pretty thouroughly discredited.

I like how Portis is developing more as a reciever. I think that will help extend his career at a productive level.

 

[brock]

Portis has become regarded like a latter day Curtis Martin, which isn't a bad thing. He's a solid #2 RB capable of performing like a elite player.

He was far better than RB2 last year. What do you think has changed (in the negative) since then, other than his age?

A rb that just turns 27 a week after this season starts is no factor imo. The guy is still in his prime. The people that shy away from him in dynasty leagues are guys that aren't interested in playing to win, they are always playing for the "future". Unfortunately the future never comes to these owners.

i love those future guys. it's those same future owners that i can trade a future 1st or 2nd round pick to for proven players still in their prime. then they get stuck with mid teir rb's because i'm always picking late. it's like clockwork. they always tell me that someday my team will be old and they'll be winning it all. 7 years later and i keep trading picks for guys in their mid late 20's and keep on winning. thanks for mb3 and westbrook and good luck deangelo williams and chris henry.

 

[Whiplash Inc.]

 

[cstu]

I have yet to see any evidence that the number of touches or number of plays have any bearing on the productivity of a RB, Particularly when looking long term.Portis will be yet another player that we can test this theory with. I believe it is a myth.The only consideration I would have about a RB getting a large workload (Which is a really positive thing BTW) is if the RB exceeds 400 carries in one season. Eddie George Ricky Williams and Eric Dickerson are some RBs who are examples of players who have reached this threshold that I think people consider when thinking about this theory. The theory of touches having a negative cumulative effect on future performance. However the results are a mixed bag. Ricky Williams ended up quitting (because of refer madness) the year following his 450+ touch season. He has played well since then when he was allowed to play. Dickerson had multiple 400+ touch seasons without any ill effect. Eddie George saw his production decline after multiple 400+ touch seasons. But this also coincided with his age. IIRC LT has had multiple 400+ touch seasons also as has Edge. Especially if you count playoffs.I am open to more examples. But I think the cumulative touch theory has been pretty thouroughly discredited.I like how Portis is developing more as a reciever. I think that will help extend his career at a productive level.

I don't agree with it either. For RB's in their mid-20's, their body just doesn't "break down" from too much work. It's normally a serious injury - like an ACL - that causes them to lose some ability.What I see in Portis is a guy who has had some nagging injuries but I don't think he's any more or less likely to get a serious injury than a rookie RB. At 27 in Sept, he's got at least two top years left in him. He's the sure-thing while the rookies are just a gamble and may not ever put up one season like Portis is likely to have this year.