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Positive and Negative on the Big 3 Rooks (1 Viewer)

A guy in my League told me that He heard the Cowboys are trying to trade up with the Jets.Dallas would get pick 1.06 and the Jets 1.22,1.28 and a 2nd rounder.Jets would look took take Ray Rice at pick 1.22 or 1.28. Dallas of course will take McFadden.Deal won't get done until pick is on the clock. :goodposting: This guy gets alot of inside info. about the Jets.I guess it adds up, Jets move down pickup more picks still get a RB they like and continue to build.My guess is they either think both Mendenhall and Stewart will be gone or they like Rice more than most?If I get more of course I'll post it.
The Cowboys are currently trying to lockdown MBIII long term, if this happens there's no reason to draft McFadden.
So I guess Dallas is the only team that needs one RB?I'm just posting what I was told, again this guy seems to know more than most.When it comes to the Jets.
 
A guy in my League told me that He heard the Cowboys are trying to trade up with the Jets.Dallas would get pick 1.06 and the Jets 1.22,1.28 and a 2nd rounder.Jets would look took take Ray Rice at pick 1.22 or 1.28. Dallas of course will take McFadden.Deal won't get done until pick is on the clock. :goodposting: This guy gets alot of inside info. about the Jets.I guess it adds up, Jets move down pickup more picks still get a RB they like and continue to build.My guess is they either think both Mendenhall and Stewart will be gone or they like Rice more than most?If I get more of course I'll post it.
The Cowboys are currently trying to lockdown MBIII long term, if this happens there's no reason to draft McFadden.
So I guess Dallas is the only team that needs one RB?I'm just posting what I was told, again this guy seems to know more than most.When it comes to the Jets.
Of course Dallas needs more than 1 RB. They just don't need two legit #1 RB's and pay both of their salaries. And as far as your "connection", that may be nice, but BigTex definitely has the inside scoop on the Cowboys with his relationship with J. Jones as has been proven in the past.
 
A guy in my League told me that He heard the Cowboys are trying to trade up with the Jets.Dallas would get pick 1.06 and the Jets 1.22,1.28 and a 2nd rounder.Jets would look took take Ray Rice at pick 1.22 or 1.28. Dallas of course will take McFadden.Deal won't get done until pick is on the clock. :goodposting: This guy gets alot of inside info. about the Jets.I guess it adds up, Jets move down pickup more picks still get a RB they like and continue to build.My guess is they either think both Mendenhall and Stewart will be gone or they like Rice more than most?If I get more of course I'll post it.
The Cowboys are currently trying to lockdown MBIII long term, if this happens there's no reason to draft McFadden.
So I guess Dallas is the only team that needs one RB?I'm just posting what I was told, again this guy seems to know more than most.When it comes to the Jets.
Of course Dallas needs more than 1 RB. They just don't need two legit #1 RB's and pay both of their salaries. And as far as your "connection", that may be nice, but BigTex definitely has the inside scoop on the Cowboys with his relationship with J. Jones as has been proven in the past.
I guess we will find out on draft day.
 
maroney=speed,when you take a contrarian position, you have to expect questions & that you will need to defend that poistion.you are no doubt aware that it a controversial position that stewart will be an NFL fullback? wouldn't it have been a bigger surprise if there WEREN'T questions? you also must be aware that in taking such a contrarian position, you were virtually GUARANTEEING more responses questioning you than if you took a more consensus opinion... whether you intended it to happen is irrelevant, in taking that position around here you were DESTINED to generate some controversy... it is part of the rules of the game... :lmao: and thats not necessarily a bad thing... we can learn from debate, maybe you can learn new things, we can learn new things, the process of debate can cause us to ask questions & think things we haven't before, which can trigger an insight in another which can lead to a higher level thought or question, which can make all the participants of the thread more well informed & even smarter through the sharpened debate... that is the good that can come from controversy & debate...not everybody who is asking a legit question about a contrarian view is ripping your rankings... also, having a SPECIFIC question or questions about part of your post is not (or imo SHOULDN'T be) an invitation to getting grilled by you as to how much THEY know about the overall subject... if you were in a debate about the effect of unions on the US economy in the 20th century, & someone asked you about a PART of your argument that wasn't clear to them & asked for a clarification, it wouldn't make your position in the debate stronger by saying in effect... if you know so much, lets hear your position... if you are able to clarify your position (after all, it is YOUR position), please do so... if you flip the burden of proof onto others, it leaves the impression that you may be attempting to deflect attention from an inability to clarify your position yourself...for example, i have a few questions... let me preface this by saying that i may not know (& probably don't) as much as yourself about the top RBs at this point... like aposulli said, i think, THAT is precisely why we are here... so my few questions below aren't an invitation to get grilled about what I know... just genuinely & sincerely interested in a clarification of your contrarian position in some cases, if you are able...1 - bloom said jonathan stewart reminded him of steven jackson... without seeing stewart on the field (don't know if his agility, elusiveness, cutting ability is comparable?), i was already thinking in terms of him as a comp player because of their obvious similarities in terms of physical stature, measurables, skill set, etc... IF stewart is similar to jackson, clearly the latter had the goods to be an elite NFL RB when healthy... if you DON't see the similarity, i'd appreciate if you could breakdown why they aren't alike, if you know jackson well enough to carry out such a breakdown... if not, thats cool, but if that were the case, it would explain some disconnect in this thread where others who do understand jackson well & see the similarities with stewart would be left scratching their heads at your negative assessment of stewart...2 - i until recently assumed mcfadden would be alpha RB in this draft... i respect NFL networks in house scout mike mayock a lot, as he breaks down film & will show you why he has an opinion... like you, he isn't afraid to be a contrarian but he is always prepared to defend his position & i'm sure expects to... his big concern with mcfadden is that he might be a specialty, luxury, situational RB like bush (i may be horrifically paraphrasing here), but won't be a bell cow feature RB... parenthetically, a lot of "starting" RBs in NFL aren't solo backs any more (RBBC is rampant), but in his estimation, mendenhall & stewart were built more for that kind of workload, the violence of the position, & better able to get the tough yards inside... mcfadden's legs go dead on contact, to quote mayock (& supported with film analysis)... his legs are skinny, like a WR or track star...is this critique by mayock a concern to you, & if not, why not... can you cite players with similar builds that were roaring successes in NFL... & trying play devil's advocate, try & think of players with a similar build that FAILED at the next level...* hope this isn't putting too fine a point on things, but the purpose of this board is to exchange ideas, learn from each other... when you inject yourself into your posts/threads, it is imo counterproductive... you know some things & have some interesting view points... just leave it at that... when a question from somebody leads to you interrogating them you make it personal, this can lead to actual attacks, defensive behavior, which can completely obscure the original point of the thread...
:goodposting: :shock: :lmao: WOW! Never knew Magaw was this articulate....wish I could have been as kind too!
 
Bob MagawI'll take #2 first Mayock says McFadden does not have a NFL body.This is true.Concern? No, like I said McFadden has many carries with no injuries.Can build on His legs. Mendenhall has one good year under Him, I question that and have more concern over that.S.Jasckson=Stewart. Ok fine. How many games did Jackson miss this year? His first year at having most of the carries.But in no way does Jackson remind me of Stewart.Stewart=Dayne or Duckett or Chatman(who eat himself out of SD). McFadden=Dickerson,M.Allen or to throw someone different out ya James Wilder.Who would you rather have Dickerson or Dayne? Ok thats easy.But thats how I see it between McFadden and Stewart, not close at all.To have Stewart at 1.01 is nuts. Not knocking Bloom or any other FBG's but I don't get it.Mendenhall is raw and unknow. But I would say He's number 2. But not as close as others think it is.In noway number 1 like Mayock has Him.Hope that answers your questions?Thanks
i appreciate your response...lets address your responses in order...mcfadden has been generally healthy, but he hasn't gone against NFL defenses... i just worry that IF he is limited to runs outside, & has trouble running inside, NFL defenses will quickly get hip to that, & it will be harder for him to run outside, too (for instance reggie bush has trouble when he bounces everything outside).can mcfadden build his legs? that is a good question & i'm not sure it is a given. if mcfadden has skinny legs, it raises the question of whether he has the kind of frame that could build a lot of bulk (some frame are more amenable to that than others)? he doesn't look like he would ever have a squat lower body, i don't see him having a dramatically different lower body... also, if he did add a lot of bulk, would he remain as fast? jackson has missed games, but i take it that isn't the thrust of your argument (are you trying to compare or contast them?)... nonetheless, i think you would agree, nobody, & i mean nobody even remotely connected to the NFL at any level, has ever or would ever, suggest that jackson should be a full back... you say in no way do they remind you of each other, but you aren't suggesting they differ markedly in size & speed measurables, are you? because clearly they have much in common there... so if it is about skill sets, how specifically are they so different... i am at a disadvantage not having seen stewart a lot, but i know jackson well & can speak to that (this will be my fifth year covering the rams, they are the team i follow most closely)...so if jackson & stewart are similar in many ways, physical stature, skill set, it does beg the question why one is thought of as a potentially elite RB & the other will be relegated to full back duty... & maybe you are exaggerating for effect, but i'm not assuming that & taking what you are suggesting at face value & treating it seriously...dayne is bigger, fatter & ponderously slow compared to stewart, so that may not be the fairest comparison... duckett i will give you, & as he was a size/speed freak... maybe other in the thread can break down stewart vs. duckett...dickerson for mcfadden interesting comparison... i made the dickerson comparison myself... for peterson last year (& so did many others), for obvious reasons... size, speed, upright running style... those comparisons proved apt, as AD, like dickerson, looks like he could be one of the best ever at his position... but most observers i've heard are emphatic that mcfadden is not like peterson... not as big or strong, not as balanced, doesn't run as hard...dickerson was i think 220+ in his prime... like jim brown & bo jackson at different times, he was an unprecedented size-speed freak... i think at his time there had never been a player that big & that fast (may have been bigger slower or smaller faster players)...
 
If Mendenhall or and Stewart gets drafted by Seattle,Chicago,Arizona,Cleveland,

Atlanta,Jets,Denver,Houston,Carolina or Dallas. They may be in a very good spot to do well.

10 teams that could use a RB. It will be very Interesting were the 3 RB's above go.

Of course and when(what round and did a team trade up to draft them) ?

I guess you can knock off Atlanta.

Down too.

Seattle,Chicago,Arizona,Cleveland,

Jets,Denver,Houston,Carolina and Dallas(Unless of course Big Tex is correct).

 
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By Evan Silva.

Darren McFadden-

Positives: McFadden's size-speed combination is freakish and unrivaled. He has three years of exceptional production in the SEC on his resume.

Negatives: Freshman year with torn knee cartilage and needing an offseason scope.He fumbled 23 times in three seasons, losing nine.

Comparison: Marcus Allen

Rashard Mendenhall-

Positives: He has terrific second-gear speed, is versatile, and a dual threat. There are no obvious weaknesses in his game.

Negatives:Mendenhall started only one year at U of I. He played in a spread-option offense that frequently ran plays from the gun.

Comparison: Ronnie Brown

Jonathan Stewart:

Positives:Stewart has remarkable strength and can be a punisher(Pile Pusher) just in case ones not sure. :popcorn:

Negatives:His 2007 touchdown total reflects that he needs to improve his red-zone efficiency. In a word (Interesting,Bloomish).

Comparison:Ron Dayne

OK just joking Shaun Alexander was used.

But not far off from what I said, now is it?

 
Rashard Mendenhall- Only one year under His belt.

Jonathan Stewart: Stewart's pro day results: 1 surgery.

Darren McFadden-If not by far the clear pick at 1.01 of all rook drafts, than you have some real weak Leagues.

 
Rashard Mendenhall- Only one year under His belt.

Jonathan Stewart: Stewart's pro day results: 1 surgery.



Darren McFadden-If not by far the clear pick at 1.01 of all rook drafts, than you have some real weak Leagues.
I think some very respected posters on this board would take exception to that statement.
 
Rashard Mendenhall- Only one year under His belt.

Jonathan Stewart: Stewart's pro day results: 1 surgery.



Darren McFadden-If not by far the clear pick at 1.01 of all rook drafts, than you have some real weak Leagues.
I think some very respected posters on this board would take exception to that statement.
Funny, because I thought I was stating a Fact. :popcorn: Who would you pick at 1.01?

 
Rashard Mendenhall- Only one year under His belt.

Jonathan Stewart: Stewart's pro day results: 1 surgery.



Darren McFadden-If not by far the clear pick at 1.01 of all rook drafts, than you have some real weak Leagues.
I think some very respected posters on this board would take exception to that statement.
Funny, because I thought I was stating a Fact. :kicksrock: Who would you pick at 1.01?
I know you like to think your opinion is a fact, but it's not.
 
Rashard Mendenhall- Only one year under His belt.

Jonathan Stewart: Stewart's pro day results: 1 surgery.



Darren McFadden-If not by far the clear pick at 1.01 of all rook drafts, than you have some real weak Leagues.
I think some very respected posters on this board would take exception to that statement.
Funny, because I thought I was stating a Fact. :confused: Who would you pick at 1.01?
I know you like to think your opinion is a fact, but it's not.
Second part of question is who do you like at 1.01?thanks

 
Stewart=Dayne or Duckett or Chatman(who eat himself out of SD).
I'm sorry, but you couldn't be more wrong.Dayne - http://www2.jsonline.com/badger/image/111399/ron1115.jpg

Duckett - http://www.houstonprofootball.com/draft/20...RE_tduckett.gif

A fiarly accurate physical comparison for Stewart is (young/fit) Ricky Williams. Both are/were lean 5'10", 235.

Ricky - http://www.vocalcolor.com/RickyBig.jpg

Stewart - http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/1060/stewartfq6.jpg

Picture don't lie; Stewart is about as fit and athletic as can be. He's far from the cream puff you make him out to be.

 
Stewart=Dayne or Duckett or Chatman(who eat himself out of SD).
I'm sorry, but you couldn't be more wrong.Dayne - http://www2.jsonline.com/badger/image/111399/ron1115.jpg

Duckett - http://www.houstonprofootball.com/draft/20...RE_tduckett.gif

A fiarly accurate physical comparison for Stewart is (young/fit) Ricky Williams. Both are/were lean 5'10", 235.

Ricky - http://www.vocalcolor.com/RickyBig.jpg

Stewart - http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/1060/stewartfq6.jpg

Picture don't lie; Stewart is about as fit and athletic as can be. He's far from the cream puff you make him out to be.
How can you compare body types of two guys in pads to two guys half nude... your point may be vaild but your examples do not help your argument.
 
... just looked this up.

In 1998 prior to the draft, Ricky Williams measured in at 5'10", 236 and ran a 4.51 40.

Last month, Jonathan Stewart measured in at 5'10", 235 and ran a 4.48 40.

I think Williams is a very good size/speed comparison for Stewart.

 
Stewart=Dayne or Duckett or Chatman(who eat himself out of SD).
I'm sorry, but you couldn't be more wrong.Dayne - http://www2.jsonline.com/badger/image/111399/ron1115.jpg

Duckett - http://www.houstonprofootball.com/draft/20...RE_tduckett.gif

A fiarly accurate physical comparison for Stewart is (young/fit) Ricky Williams. Both are/were lean 5'10", 235.

Ricky - http://www.vocalcolor.com/RickyBig.jpg

Stewart - http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/1060/stewartfq6.jpg

Picture don't lie; Stewart is about as fit and athletic as can be. He's far from the cream puff you make him out to be.
How can you compare body types of two guys in pads to two guys half nude... your point may be vaild but your examples do not help your argument.
:shrug: Sorry, I tried to get all four together for a lineup shot, but it just didn't workout.I couldn't find any pics of Dayne or Duckett where they were in anything but pads; wonder why...

Come on; I think it's fairly safe to say that both Dayne and Duckett were widebodies (not saying they're fat), whereas Williams and Stewart are big guys with extremely athletic/muscular builds.

 
By Evan Silva.[...]Rashard Mendenhall-Positives: He has terrific second-gear speed, is versatile, and a dual threat. There are no obvious weaknesses in his game.Negatives:Mendenhall started only one year at U of I. He played in a spread-option offense that frequently ran plays from the gun. Comparison: Ronnie Brown[...]
Don't wanna be a spoiler and Silva's got some points but to list a negative with Mendenhall in a comparison as coming from a spread-option offense is just a matter of not making your homework thorughly enough.I would emphasize the offsenses run by Arkansas and Oregon were also spread-option offenses. What these systems do is make the evaluation process regarding all three cloudier.
 
Rashard Mendenhall- Only one year under His belt.Jonathan Stewart: Stewart's pro day results: 1 surgery. Darren McFadden-If not by far the clear pick at 1.01 of all rook drafts, than you have some real weak Leagues.
All depends on the circumstances...If McFadden finds himself in a terrible situation, and Mendenhall in an excellent one...one would have to at least consider Mendenhall. I'd probably pick McFadden and trade him due to his perceived value...but I don't think McFadden is considerably better than Rashard...
 
gianmarco said:
Maroney=Speed said:
Rashard Mendenhall- Only one year under His belt.

Jonathan Stewart: Stewart's pro day results: 1 surgery.



Darren McFadden-If not by far the clear pick at 1.01 of all rook drafts, than you have some real weak Leagues.
I think some very respected posters on this board would take exception to that statement.
Funny, because I thought I was stating a Fact. :mellow: Who would you pick at 1.01?
I know you like to think your opinion is a fact, but it's not.
It's funny, you always read what I write.But have nothing to say but to put down what I say.

Give me your top 6 rook Rb's. You can do that,correct?

 
Rashard Mendenhall- Only one year under His belt.

Jonathan Stewart: Stewart's pro day results: 1 surgery.



Darren McFadden-If not by far the clear pick at 1.01 of all rook drafts, than you have some real weak Leagues.
I think some very respected posters on this board would take exception to that statement.
Funny, because I thought I was stating a Fact. :thumbdown: Who would you pick at 1.01?
I know you like to think your opinion is a fact, but it's not.
It's funny, you always read what I write.But have nothing to say but to put down what I say.

Give me your top 6 rook Rb's. You can do that,correct?
You can Bash, but can you rank?You continued to bash me on other posts, but won't put down your rankings.

Now why is that? I come on here and tell what I know. You continue to say I'm wrong.

So now it's time to step up and at least give your rankings.

That is what the Shark Pool is for, not Bashing.

Thanks.

 
not everybody who is asking a legit question about a contrarian view is ripping your rankings... also, having a SPECIFIC question or questions about part of your post is not (or imo SHOULDN'T be) an invitation to getting grilled by you as to how much THEY know about the overall subject... if you were in a debate about the effect of unions on the US economy in the 20th century, & someone asked you about a PART of your argument that wasn't clear to them & asked for a clarification, it wouldn't make your position in the debate stronger by saying in effect... if you know so much, lets hear your position... if you are able to clarify your position (after all, it is YOUR position), please do so... if you flip the burden of proof onto others, it leaves the impression that you may be attempting to deflect attention from an inability to clarify your position yourself...
 
not everybody who is asking a legit question about a contrarian view is ripping your rankings... also, having a SPECIFIC question or questions about part of your post is not (or imo SHOULDN'T be) an invitation to getting grilled by you as to how much THEY know about the overall subject... if you were in a debate about the effect of unions on the US economy in the 20th century, & someone asked you about a PART of your argument that wasn't clear to them & asked for a clarification, it wouldn't make your position in the debate stronger by saying in effect... if you know so much, lets hear your position... if you are able to clarify your position (after all, it is YOUR position), please do so... if you flip the burden of proof onto others, it leaves the impression that you may be attempting to deflect attention from an inability to clarify your position yourself...
True, but being a tool is ok?
 
Point. But why say it to me?No one is great at everything.But Stewart will be a 2nd round pick.Sweed will make Mike Williams look like a HOF.Stewart will top 250 when all is said and done.
We get it. Stewart punched your dog, you're jealous of Mayock, and you want to have McFadden's 3rd child. Just chill a little until the draft, unless your opinions happen to change.
Thanks, first time your not attacking me.
 
With Stewart's recent surgery, does this knock him out of the top 3 rookie RBs to be selected in upcoming dynasty drafts?
This is hardly the thread to be asking that question, but from observations the majority of posters say no unless he gets drafted into a bad RB situation.Stewart should be 100% by the end of training camp and shouldn't miss any gametime.
 
The Seattle Post-Intelligencer believes Jonathan Stewart remains a top-20 draft pick.

Word from scouts is that they all know who Jonathan Stewart is and what he's capable of doing, and surgery won't change that. NFLDraftScout.com added, "The surgery could drop him a little bit. But I don't think it's going to be one of those things that push him out of the first round or anything crazy. He's just too good a player."

 
not everybody who is asking a legit question about a contrarian view is ripping your rankings... also, having a SPECIFIC question or questions about part of your post is not (or imo SHOULDN'T be) an invitation to getting grilled by you as to how much THEY know about the overall subject... if you were in a debate about the effect of unions on the US economy in the 20th century, & someone asked you about a PART of your argument that wasn't clear to them & asked for a clarification, it wouldn't make your position in the debate stronger by saying in effect... if you know so much, lets hear your position... if you are able to clarify your position (after all, it is YOUR position), please do so... if you flip the burden of proof onto others, it leaves the impression that you may be attempting to deflect attention from an inability to clarify your position yourself...
True, but being a tool is ok?
Pot, kettle, black ...
 

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