Possible 3rd Roethlisberger incident (1 Viewer)

[perry147]

Breaking news.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/...erger-incident/

So with the possibility of a Georgia prosecution official gone and only a civil lawsuit in Nevada remaining, Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger can exhale and focus only on playing football and not barhopping, right?

Maybe not.

Boston lawyer Harry Manion told WEEI's Dennis & Callahan Show on Tuesday that Manion was involved in an investigation regarding another Big Ben incident.

Said Manion: "[T]here is a history here this is just super troubling."

Manion specifically referred to an incident from 2009, also in Nevada. "Six months ago I was retained by a client of mine and a close friend to investigate allegations against Ben Roethlisberger in a Las Vegas nightclub that were absolutely identical to this Georgia girl's story," Manion said.

Manion believes that, if Roethlisberger ever is going to change his ways, the near miss in Georgia will be the impetus.

"Unless he's totally brain dead -- and we don't know -- he would be scared," Manion said. "Because he has really walked a perilous line here. There's a whole litany here, not only my experience, I have connected with several other people that have experience. And you know, there's only so far that he said/she said will get you. There's only so far that paying hush money will get you, if hush money is paid. And there's only so far that, 'Gee, we're celebrities, we have a target on our back,' will get you. When you see this much smoke, month after month and continuously . . . . It's the scene that he's gotten himself caught up with, and the belief that he can walk, and so far, so good. But it's hurting him. He's hurt. He has been damaged. And the next one, the wrath of God's going to come down on him, if there is a next one."

It's compelling stuff, and we agree with Manion's take. That said, the guy has a set of large brass ones to talk about allegations that never were pursued in criminal or civil court. A certain degree of immunity applies to statement made in conjunction with official legal proceedings. Manion has placed himself at risk for a defamation claim, especially by suggesting that there are incidents beyond the Vegas case that he personally handled.

Then again, the primary injury in a defamation case occurs to the reputation of the plaintiff. Like Pacman Jones threatening to sue ESPN in early 2009 after the network released more information about an alleged Atlanta strip club shooting from 2007, Jones would be able to prove no damage to the manner in which any potential untruths harmed his reputation because his reputation already was horrendous.

Ben faces the same challenge. Suing Manion or anyone else who claims that he has a more extensive history of Milledgeville-style encounters would expose Roethlisberger's entire sexual history and his broader reputation to scrutiny. As Roger Clemens has learned the hard way, nothing good comes from that approach -- especially if hanging in the closet next the devil-face T-shirt is a collection of skeletons.

 

[3MTA3]

Here we go again

 

[KnowledgeReignsSupreme]

There's certainly blood in the water.

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

I will watch as this develops.

 

[David Yudkin]

Someone started a thread on this already . . .

 

[Kenny Powers]

Yeah, theyve been talking about this on the local news now.

If Goodell doesnt suspend him, especially if he hears about this, a lot of people are going to be pulling the race card

 

[MikeApf]

Jason Campbell's agent needs to get on the phone to Pittsburgh brass immediately. Wouldn't you think they have to get someone in there just in case?

What would Pittsburgh be willing to pay for him? Would a 3rd or 4th rounder be worth the peace of mind?

 

[TommyGilmore]

Someone started a thread on this already . . .

OH SNAP!

 

[gianmarco]

Someone started a thread on this already . . .

OH SNAP!

HOW MANY BIG BEN ASSAULT THREADS DO WE NEED??!!??P.S.--Don't speculate too much

 

[Jeremy]

Why do I get the feeling this is going to be another Tiger Woods type situation where women with similar claims start coming out of the woodwork?

 

[Neil Beaufort Zod]

Jason Campbell's agent needs to get on the phone to Pittsburgh brass immediately. Wouldn't you think they have to get someone in there just in case?What would Pittsburgh be willing to pay for him? Would a 3rd or 4th rounder be worth the peace of mind?

What peace of mind does Jason Campbell offer a recent two-time world champion?

 

[Godsbrother]

Jason Campbell's agent needs to get on the phone to Pittsburgh brass immediately. Wouldn't you think they have to get someone in there just in case?What would Pittsburgh be willing to pay for him? Would a 3rd or 4th rounder be worth the peace of mind?

What peace of mind does Jason Campbell offer a recent two-time world champion?

Unless Ben is traded, released, or gets a lengthy suspension (8 games or more), the Steelers aren't trading for Jason Campbell.

 

[Buffaloes]

Is this the guy the Butthole Surfers were talking about in that song Pepper?

 

[phthalatemagic]

He's gotta be running out of his signing bonus by now.

 

[MikeApf]

Jason Campbell's agent needs to get on the phone to Pittsburgh brass immediately. Wouldn't you think they have to get someone in there just in case?What would Pittsburgh be willing to pay for him? Would a 3rd or 4th rounder be worth the peace of mind?

What peace of mind does Jason Campbell offer a recent two-time world champion?

LOL...good point. What peace of mind did he give to the 4-12 Redskins? For Pitt, it would be more a matter of just having an experienced starter on deck to hold the ship steady in case BB had to serve a suspension. The question is -- and all kidding aside it is a legitimate question -- could Cambpell keep the ship steady better than the current Pitt 2nd string QB. It's not really a matter of whether Campbell is as good as BB...cuz obviously he's not.M

 

[phthalatemagic]

Someone started a thread on this already . . .

This is incorrect.

 

[Buckna]

Here we go again

Where was this guy weeks ago?

 

[Two Deep]

This is how they roll in the "Rust Belt".

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Toomer roasts Big Ben, seeks an 8 game suspension

 

[David Yudkin]

Someone started a thread on this already . . .

This is incorrect.

Epic FAIL on your end . . .

 

[Donnybrook]

Here we go again

Am I correct in assuming that this Boston Lawyer is investigating the incident and not the police? It been 6 months and no charges have been laid. The lawyer then makes comments that are unproffesional IMO. Frankly, I don't trust that there is any merit to these accusations.

 

[CrossEyed]

Why do I get the feeling this is going to be another Tiger Woods type situation where women with similar claims start coming out of the woodwork?

It was a claim that was investigated 6 months ago. She didn't just come out of the woodwork.

 

[Ghost Rider]

Someone started a thread on this already . . .

This is incorrect.

Epic FAIL on your end . . .

The problem with that thread was the thread started didn't put BR's name in the title (it is in the subtitle), so it would have been easy to miss.

 

[mcintyre1]

Why do I get the feeling this is going to be another Tiger Woods type situation where women with similar claims start coming out of the woodwork?

It was a claim that was investigated 6 months ago. She didn't just come out of the woodwork.

A claim that was "investigated" 6 months ago, and had nothing come of it in the news. So yeah, it did "just come out of the woodwork". Combine a 6 month private investigation (no police involvement) with no case filed, with his statement that it was for a client and "close friend," and I don't buy this guy as legit at all.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

Jason Campbell's agent needs to get on the phone to Pittsburgh brass immediately. Wouldn't you think they have to get someone in there just in case?What would Pittsburgh be willing to pay for him? Would a 3rd or 4th rounder be worth the peace of mind?

What peace of mind does Jason Campbell offer a recent two-time world champion?

LOL...good point. What peace of mind did he give to the 4-12 Redskins? For Pitt, it would be more a matter of just having an experienced starter on deck to hold the ship steady in case BB had to serve a suspension. The question is -- and all kidding aside it is a legitimate question -- could Cambpell keep the ship steady better than the current Pitt 2nd string QB. It's not really a matter of whether Campbell is as good as BB...cuz obviously he's not.M

If the Steelers go for another vet QB, it will be Leftwich IMO

 

[B-Deep]

Why do I get the feeling this is going to be another Tiger Woods type situation where women with similar claims start coming out of the woodwork?

It was a claim that was investigated 6 months ago. She didn't just come out of the woodwork.

A claim that was "investigated" 6 months ago, and had nothing come of it in the news. So yeah, it did "just come out of the woodwork". Combine a 6 month private investigation (no police involvement) with no case filed, with his statement that it was for a client and "close friend," and I don't buy this guy as legit at all.

you think he is a pissed off browns fan?I am curious what you think his motivation for making this up is.

 

[HellToupee]

Why do I get the feeling this is going to be another Tiger Woods type situation where women with similar claims start coming out of the woodwork?

It was a claim that was investigated 6 months ago. She didn't just come out of the woodwork.

A claim that was "investigated" 6 months ago, and had nothing come of it in the news. So yeah, it did "just come out of the woodwork". Combine a 6 month private investigation (no police involvement) with no case filed, with his statement that it was for a client and "close friend," and I don't buy this guy as legit at all.

the lawyer(Harry Manion) has a very good rep

 

[massraider]

Why do I get the feeling this is going to be another Tiger Woods type situation where women with similar claims start coming out of the woodwork?

It was a claim that was investigated 6 months ago. She didn't just come out of the woodwork.

A claim that was "investigated" 6 months ago, and had nothing come of it in the news. So yeah, it did "just come out of the woodwork". Combine a 6 month private investigation (no police involvement) with no case filed, with his statement that it was for a client and "close friend," and I don't buy this guy as legit at all.

Boy, sure are a lot of un-legit people accusing Ben of bad stuff.

 

[ScottyFargo]

This guy has to be stopped. Cutting his hair is not enough.

 

[CrossEyed]

Why do I get the feeling this is going to be another Tiger Woods type situation where women with similar claims start coming out of the woodwork?

It was a claim that was investigated 6 months ago. She didn't just come out of the woodwork.

A claim that was "investigated" 6 months ago, and had nothing come of it in the news. So yeah, it did "just come out of the woodwork". Combine a 6 month private investigation (no police involvement) with no case filed, with his statement that it was for a client and "close friend," and I don't buy this guy as legit at all.

You haven't done much work researching if you don't think this attorney is "legit".

 

[FreeBaGeL]

So this would be a 4th?

 

[HellToupee]

I believe Manion used to represent Mario Lemiuex

 

[Couch Potato]

Ben may want to consider quitting football for a career in pr0n.

Chick-a-pow, chick-a-pow-pow...

 

[Moniker]

Why do I get the feeling this is going to be another Tiger Woods type situation where women with similar claims start coming out of the woodwork?

It was a claim that was investigated 6 months ago. She didn't just come out of the woodwork.

A claim that was "investigated" 6 months ago, and had nothing come of it in the news. So yeah, it did "just come out of the woodwork". Combine a 6 month private investigation (no police involvement) with no case filed, with his statement that it was for a client and "close friend," and I don't buy this guy as legit at all.

Boy, sure are a lot of un-legit people accusing Ben of bad stuff.

I'm as big a believer as anyone in innocent until proven guilty, but at some point the old 'Where there's smoke, there's fire' needs to be applied.

 

[perry147]

HONDA

 

[SuperJohn96]

Yeah, theyve been talking about this on the local news now.If Goodell doesnt suspend him, especially if he hears about this, a lot of people are going to be pulling the race card

I'm white and I will pull the race card if he isn't suspended.

 

[beavers]

Is it possible to find if there were settlements by the tax returns of the alleged victims?

I know certain settlements (i.e. a settlement from a work-related injury) are non taxable. But what about "hush money" settlements?

 

[phthalatemagic]

Ben may want to consider quitting football for a career in pr0n.Chick-a-pow, chick-a-pow-pow...

Perhaps he doesn't get turned on by the willing.

 

[cobalt_27]

Ben may want to consider quitting football for a career in pr0n.Chick-a-pow, chick-a-pow-pow...

Hope the league imposes that a leash be around his neck and under constant observation. Under no circumstances should he be allowed to be part of the larger community.

 

[Jeremy]

Why do I get the feeling this is going to be another Tiger Woods type situation where women with similar claims start coming out of the woodwork?

It was a claim that was investigated 6 months ago. She didn't just come out of the woodwork.

But it's the first we're hearing about it, right? When things started coming out about Tiger, it was a mistress, then it was two, then it was a dozen or more and counting. I'm wondering if this is something Ben has done more than a couple times. Goes out, get's a girl hammered to the point where her resistance is nil, takes her someplace private as has his way with her. IF that's the case, I think having 2 or 3 girls come forward would really get the ball rolling on the others who maybe felt too ashamed or confused to say anything until now. Just a theory. We'll see, I guess.

 

[phthalatemagic]

Someone started a thread on this already . . .

This is incorrect.

Epic FAIL on your end . . .

I bet you peed your pants a little when you found out you might have been right.a) It was Perry. He doesn't count. He doesn't even believe math is real.

b) That thread had zero replies. So you as a moderator, could have merged them with the same effort it took you to reply "someone started a thread on this already", or just let it sink to oblivion. But you'd rather do this instead.

 

[cobalt_27]

Why do I get the feeling this is going to be another Tiger Woods type situation where women with similar claims start coming out of the woodwork?

It was a claim that was investigated 6 months ago. She didn't just come out of the woodwork.

A claim that was "investigated" 6 months ago, and had nothing come of it in the news. So yeah, it did "just come out of the woodwork". Combine a 6 month private investigation (no police involvement) with no case filed, with his statement that it was for a client and "close friend," and I don't buy this guy as legit at all.

Boy, sure are a lot of un-legit people accusing Ben of bad stuff.

I'm as big a believer as anyone in innocent until proven guilty, but at some point the old 'Where there's smoke, there's fire' needs to be applied.

Big believer in this, too. In the context of the courts/government. Outside of that context, though, you really have to suspend a lot of logic and/or have your head in the sand to think he is anything better than a low-life scumbag.

 

[Chase Stuart]

Is it possible to find if there were settlements by the tax returns of the alleged victims? I know certain settlements (i.e. a settlement from a work-related injury) are non taxable. But what about "hush money" settlements?

Hush money is taxable. Of course, even if it was reported on her taxes, that wouldn't be available to the public. And almost no one would actually report it on their taxes, despite that being illegal.

 

[Crippler]

Why do I get the feeling this is going to be another Tiger Woods type situation where women with similar claims start coming out of the woodwork?

It was a claim that was investigated 6 months ago. She didn't just come out of the woodwork.

But it's the first we're hearing about it, right? When things started coming out about Tiger, it was a mistress, then it was two, then it was a dozen or more and counting. I'm wondering if this is something Ben has done more than a couple times. Goes out, get's a girl hammered to the point where her resistance is nil, takes her someplace private as has his way with her. IF that's the case, I think having 2 or 3 girls come forward would really get the ball rolling on the others who maybe felt too ashamed or confused to say anything until now. Just a theory. We'll see, I guess.

Or it could have another effect and that is girls coming out of the woodwork looking to cash now. Cha-ching

 

[beavers]

Is it possible to find if there were settlements by the tax returns of the alleged victims?

I know certain settlements (i.e. a settlement from a work-related injury) are non taxable. But what about "hush money" settlements?

Hush money is taxable. Of course, even if it was reported on her taxes, that wouldn't be available to the public. And almost no one would actually report it on their taxes, despite that being illegal.

But hypothetically, if BB is audited, wouldn't the IRS be looking for large expenses such as this?

 

[B-Deep]

I have to say I feel very bad for steelers fans. No one should have to have the face of their team go through crap like this. It sucks having to counter your feelings for your team with your disgust for what it appears Ben has been up to.

I feel for ya.

 

[Chase Stuart]

Is it possible to find if there were settlements by the tax returns of the alleged victims?

I know certain settlements (i.e. a settlement from a work-related injury) are non taxable. But what about "hush money" settlements?

Hush money is taxable. Of course, even if it was reported on her taxes, that wouldn't be available to the public. And almost no one would actually report it on their taxes, despite that being illegal.

But hypothetically, if BB is audited, wouldn't the IRS be looking for large expenses such as this?

Ben wouldn't put it on his taxes, either, since doing so would be tantamount to admitting a crime. As far as whether they actually are deductible -- I'm not a tax lawyer, but I don't see what they would fall under to make them tax deductible. Maybe a tax lawyer would have the answer for you. Ben would almost certainly be in the AMT, anyway.

 

[beavers]

Is it possible to find if there were settlements by the tax returns of the alleged victims?

I know certain settlements (i.e. a settlement from a work-related injury) are non taxable. But what about "hush money" settlements?

Hush money is taxable. Of course, even if it was reported on her taxes, that wouldn't be available to the public. And almost no one would actually report it on their taxes, despite that being illegal.

But hypothetically, if BB is audited, wouldn't the IRS be looking for large expenses such as this?

Ben wouldn't put it on his taxes, either, since doing so would be tantamount to admitting a crime. As far as whether they actually are deductible -- I'm not a tax lawyer, but I don't see what they would fall under to make them tax deductible. Maybe a tax lawyer would have the answer for you. Ben would almost certainly be in the AMT, anyway.

Fair enough.

 

[fatness]

But hypothetically, if BB is audited, wouldn't the IRS be looking for large expenses such as this?

In the unlikely event that he got audited, it's not as though he's going to be audited so quickly that he has to talk to Goodell and Rooney about it this week.

 

[beavers]

But hypothetically, if BB is audited, wouldn't the IRS be looking for large expenses such as this?

In the unlikely event that he got audited, it's not as though he's going to be audited so quickly that he has to talk to Goodell and Rooney about it this week.

I didn't expect that ... I was wondering if we would ever know the truth and one possible way is to audit incoming and outgoing cash flow. One would think that the IRS would notice a large sum of unaccounted for expenses.