Possible Collusion.... (1 Viewer)

[pipman33_2000]

First off I think its has to be really in favor of one team to veto a trade. I am commish of a league and getting all kinds of complaints about this trade.

The trade takes place between husband and wife. Both teams are winning their division.

Husband trades Joseph Addai and Kenton Keith to wife for Lee Evans and Ryan Grant.

Husbands RBs: Edge, Addai,Reggie Bush and Moreny and his WRS are: TJ Housh, Tory Holt and Patrick Crayton

Wifes RBs: Marshan Lynch, Thomas Jones, Lamnot Jordan..WRs are: Braylon Edwards, Hines Ward, Santion Holmes, Lee Evans, Deion Branch, Rhoddy White and Shaun McDonald.

As much as I dont like to veto trades, its hard for me to belive that all he could have got for Addai, and that the trade is to his wife kind of sends red flags.

Pleas Help!!!!

 

[gadkins]

I don't see a problem with it. As long as they don't try to switch players back the next week.

 

[Pocket Joker]

Looks ok to me.

 

[PMENFAN]

First off I think its has to be really in favor of one team to veto a trade. I am commish of a league and getting all kinds of complaints about this trade. The trade takes place between husband and wife. Both teams are winning their division. Husband trades Joseph Addai and Kenton Keith to wife for Lee Evans and Ryan Grant.Husbands RBs: Edge, Addai,Reggie Bush and Moreny and his WRS are: TJ Housh, Tory Holt and Patrick CraytonWifes RBs: Marshan Lynch, Thomas Jones, Lamnot Jordan..WRs are: Braylon Edwards, Hines Ward, Santion Holmes, Lee Evans, Deion Branch, Rhoddy White and Shaun McDonald. As much as I dont like to veto trades, its hard for me to belive that all he could have got for Addai, and that the trade is to his wife kind of sends red flags. Pleas Help!!!!

NO, no , no, no,no, no, no. Where do people think they have innate value sppraisal skills. I don't think you could have a more fair trade. One owner is getting two players, one of which they'll play week to week. Heck, start both players in a backfield. The other gets a surging Lee Evans and a starting RB. Of course it's not Joe Addai,, or even the same caliber, because they also got a WR who in our standard scoring syste, is the #2 WR over the last 3 weeks, behind only Randy Moss. Tell the other owners to stop whining. Their job is to make their team better, not collude to keep other teams from getting better.

 

[MDSkinner]

It looks legit. It he is buying into the Lee Evans hype (which many are), he could use another good WR and gets a starting back, and she gets essentially one great RB.

If it were not a husband wife thing would you be complaining?

 

[shadyridr]

So they're both leading their respective divisions, the husband needs a WR desperately, and the wife needs a RB desperately. Not seeing the problem here.

 

[shadyridr]

WHY WOULD THEY COLLUDE IF THEY ARE BOTH LEADING THEIR DIVISIONS?????????????

 

[pipman33_2000]

Thanks guys. I just wanted a outsiders perspective. I have never vetoed a trade in 4 years of being the commish and just was looking to much into them being husband and wife more than the trade itself.

 

[King of the Jungle]

Wife in FF. That is the real veto issue here.

 

[apalmer]

:IBTL: So they're both leading their respective divisions, the husband needs a WR desperately, and the wife needs a RB desperately. Not seeing the problem here.

Do the other owners think a first place team is tanking to help his wife? He had more stud RB's than he could use and needed a WR. Leave him alone.

 

[Couch Potato]

1. If you are going to be predisposed to view a trade differently because it is between husband and wife than you would between other league members, don't allow a husband and wife to own separate teams in the first place. This prejudicial attitude is unfair to them.

2. This trade meets the needs of both teams, both of whom are obviously successful and have reason to do what's in their own best interest.

3. Your standard that the Addai owner could have gotten more for him is irrelevant. If we were all held to getting the maximum possible for a player, trades wouldn't be allowed in any league. Players would be offered and sold in a public bidding auction. "it's hard for me to believe that all he could have got for Addai..." is an absolutely ridiculous rationale to use.

4. All the collusion threads popping up in the SP are annoying. The rule of thumb is that if it affects one league only, it belongs in the ACF.

 

[pipman33_2000]

:IBTL: So they're both leading their respective divisions, the husband needs a WR desperately, and the wife needs a RB desperately. Not seeing the problem here.

Do the other owners think a first place team is tanking to help his wife? He had more stud RB's than he could use and needed a WR. Leave him alone.

Its not a question of him tanking to help her win but as you stated he has pleny of RBs and deceided to trade with this wife instead of shopping addai to other players he settled to Evans. But as everyone stated this is not a vetoable trade and I will agree.

 

[pipman33_2000]

1. If you are going to be predisposed to view a trade differently because it is between husband and wife than you would between other league members, don't allow a husband and wife to own separate teams in the first place. This prejudicial attitude is unfair to them.

2. This trade meets the needs of both teams, both of whom are obviously successful and have reason to do what's in their own best interest.

3. Your standard that the Addai owner could have gotten more for him is irrelevant. If we were all held to getting the maximum possible for a player, trades wouldn't be allowed in any league. Players would be offered and sold in a public bidding auction. "it's hard for me to believe that all he could have got for Addai..." is an absolutely ridiculous rationale to use.

4. All the collusion threads popping up in the SP are annoying. The rule of thumb is that if it affects one league only, it belongs in the ACF.

If you dont like where this topic is.....DONT READ IT!!!!

 

[gianmarco]

I think the more important issue that should be addressed is how that wife drafted a far better team than the rest of you guys in that league. You all should be embarrassed. Looks like she knows how to appraise WR talent pretty well.

 

[Couch Potato]

1. If you are going to be predisposed to view a trade differently because it is between husband and wife than you would between other league members, don't allow a husband and wife to own separate teams in the first place. This prejudicial attitude is unfair to them.

2. This trade meets the needs of both teams, both of whom are obviously successful and have reason to do what's in their own best interest.

3. Your standard that the Addai owner could have gotten more for him is irrelevant. If we were all held to getting the maximum possible for a player, trades wouldn't be allowed in any league. Players would be offered and sold in a public bidding auction. "it's hard for me to believe that all he could have got for Addai..." is an absolutely ridiculous rationale to use.

4. All the collusion threads popping up in the SP are annoying. The rule of thumb is that if it affects one league only, it belongs in the ACF.

If you dont like where this topic is.....DONT READ IT!!!!

No, son, that misses the point that these sorts of topics don't belong here.

 

[nyftbl_giants]

At least both teams received value. Collusion prob, veto worthy not really.

Sorry, dont want to hijack but when I saw husband and wife I had to show this trade between dad and son. Its been mentioned the past few weeks amongst others that dad is not returning next season.

Dad gives his #1 ( which is in the leader right now for #1 overall) and James Jones

and gets back kevin faulk, reggie williams (both WW additions) and brandon jackson

 

[NatronIsMean]

I would agree that it seems insane to trade Addai for Evans (essentially). However, maybe the hubbie is in the doghouse and sees this as a quick way out?

 

[Righetti]

why do people always assume collusion?

 

[Couch Potato]

I would agree that it seems insane to trade Addai for Evans (essentially). However, maybe the hubbie is in the doghouse and sees this as a quick way out?

I think for you to leave Ryan Grant out of the equation is a big mistake. With fantasy playoff week matchups against OAK and STL, he's pretty valuable IMO.

 

[Red Apples]

Wife in FF. That is the real veto issue here.

 

[dagwood]

Wife in FF. That is the real veto issue here.

Any chance we can set up an "Assistant Commish" folder to handle these critical questions that all seem to get answered the same way. We could have some FAQ at the top that would cover 80% of the questions.Help a commish out.I hate to veto trades...jada jada jada...but look at this one...insert trade...should I veto...Answer No collusion...no vetoThanks

 

[SuperJohn96]

How much does the rest of the league blow if the husband and wife are BOTH division leaders.

That, or the husband is actually running both teams and is very good at FF.

 

[BLOX]

1. If you are going to be predisposed to view a trade differently because it is between husband and wife than you would between other league members, don't allow a husband and wife to own separate teams in the first place. This prejudicial attitude is unfair to them.

2. This trade meets the needs of both teams, both of whom are obviously successful and have reason to do what's in their own best interest.

3. Your standard that the Addai owner could have gotten more for him is irrelevant. If we were all held to getting the maximum possible for a player, trades wouldn't be allowed in any league. Players would be offered and sold in a public bidding auction. "it's hard for me to believe that all he could have got for Addai..." is an absolutely ridiculous rationale to use.

4. All the collusion threads popping up in the SP are annoying. The rule of thumb is that if it affects one league only, it belongs in the ACF.

If you dont like where this topic is.....DONT READ IT!!!!

No, son, that misses the point that these sorts of topics don't belong here.

It's not about what anyone wants to read here, it's about wading through all this nonsense.

If it's a real issue that would pertain to many leagues, so be it.

If not, ACP. We all come here to improve our fantasy football skills and swap relavant info, not Commish everyone's league.

 

[pipman33_2000]

How much does the rest of the league blow if the husband and wife are BOTH division leaders.That, or the husband is actually running both teams and is very good at FF.

As far as my team Ive had a bad run of luck on injuries with Sjax and Rudi Johnson. Were in a 10 man league with 100 buy in and 3 dollard roster move. We have about 1350 in the pot now. You have to know that he would want his wife to win for that kind of money if he is not going to win, which is fine I sure would do the same.

 

[pipman33_2000]

1. If you are going to be predisposed to view a trade differently because it is between husband and wife than you would between other league members, don't allow a husband and wife to own separate teams in the first place. This prejudicial attitude is unfair to them.

2. This trade meets the needs of both teams, both of whom are obviously successful and have reason to do what's in their own best interest.

3. Your standard that the Addai owner could have gotten more for him is irrelevant. If we were all held to getting the maximum possible for a player, trades wouldn't be allowed in any league. Players would be offered and sold in a public bidding auction. "it's hard for me to believe that all he could have got for Addai..." is an absolutely ridiculous rationale to use.

4. All the collusion threads popping up in the SP are annoying. The rule of thumb is that if it affects one league only, it belongs in the ACF.

If you dont like where this topic is.....DONT READ IT!!!!

No, son, that misses the point that these sorts of topics don't belong here.

It's not about what anyone wants to read here, it's about wading through all this nonsense.

If it's a real issue that would pertain to many leagues, so be it.

If not, ACP. We all come here to improve our fantasy football skills and swap relavant info, not Commish everyone's league.

If you guys dont like the topic dont click it. I dont get all you that complain but you spend the time to read and reply. Its simple just dont click the link if you dont like the topic. Thats the bottom line.

 

[Lash]

if Ryan Grant is the present and future RB for GB then he may actually WIN the deal

so if there are doubts to who may actually win the deal, that is THE definition of a fair trade, the trade is OKay

 

[dagwood]

1. If you are going to be predisposed to view a trade differently because it is between husband and wife than you would between other league members, don't allow a husband and wife to own separate teams in the first place. This prejudicial attitude is unfair to them.

2. This trade meets the needs of both teams, both of whom are obviously successful and have reason to do what's in their own best interest.

3. Your standard that the Addai owner could have gotten more for him is irrelevant. If we were all held to getting the maximum possible for a player, trades wouldn't be allowed in any league. Players would be offered and sold in a public bidding auction. "it's hard for me to believe that all he could have got for Addai..." is an absolutely ridiculous rationale to use.

4. All the collusion threads popping up in the SP are annoying. The rule of thumb is that if it affects one league only, it belongs in the ACF.

If you dont like where this topic is.....DONT READ IT!!!!

No, son, that misses the point that these sorts of topics don't belong here.

It's not about what anyone wants to read here, it's about wading through all this nonsense.

If it's a real issue that would pertain to many leagues, so be it.

If not, ACP. We all come here to improve our fantasy football skills and swap relavant info, not Commish everyone's league.

If you guys dont like the topic dont click it. I dont get all you that complain but you spend the time to read and reply. Its simple just dont click the link if you dont like the topic. Thats the bottom line.

Based on your logic, why don't we just merge the Shark Pool and the Assistant Coach Forum...we can just not click on the WDIS threads right?.....

 

[compone]

First off I think its has to be really in favor of one team to veto a trade. I am commish of a league and getting all kinds of complaints about this trade. The trade takes place between husband and wife. Both teams are winning their division. Husband trades Joseph Addai and Kenton Keith to wife for Lee Evans and Ryan Grant.Husbands RBs: Edge, Addai,Reggie Bush and Moreny and his WRS are: TJ Housh, Tory Holt and Patrick CraytonWifes RBs: Marshan Lynch, Thomas Jones, Lamnot Jordan..WRs are: Braylon Edwards, Hines Ward, Santion Holmes, Lee Evans, Deion Branch, Rhoddy White and Shaun McDonald. As much as I dont like to veto trades, its hard for me to belive that all he could have got for Addai, and that the trade is to his wife kind of sends red flags. Pleas Help!!!!

This league has to be very small to have these kinds of rosters. 8 teams?First, the husband would seem to still have good RB's after the trade: Edge, Bush, Moreny... Although, I would prefer to keep Addai and maybe trade 1 of the other RB's.Second, the wife did need RB help considering Lynch was the only RB worth starting.The question here is what did the husband get that he needed? Maybe Lee Evans considering Holt has been quiet. Is there a flex position? I don't think anyone has the right to veto a trade because they both league their division. If the husband wants to give up Addai for whatever reason then it's his choice. Everyone pays their $100 and should be able to do what they want with their team. Lee Evans has been on fire as of late and the husband may think he needs a WR to produce. He had enough RB's to backfill. Would I make the trade if I were the husband? NO! but that's just me. Ryan Grant is the starting RB in GB, so there is some value there.NO VETO! IMO

 

[Pipes]

How much does the rest of the league blow if the husband and wife are BOTH division leaders.That, or the husband is actually running both teams and is very good at FF.

Nice assumption...there are actually women out there that know a thing or two about football.

 

[schooner44]

Trade is fair and I see no evidence of collusion. If this was collusion, the one team would not be giving up Evans.

The situation would not present itself if you followed my #1 rule as a commish...NO WOMEN IN FANTASY FOOTBALL!!!!!

 

[andy_b]

How much does the rest of the league blow if the husband and wife are BOTH division leaders.That, or the husband is actually running both teams and is very good at FF.

Nice assumption...there are actually women out there that know a thing or two about football.

we have a "wife" in our league. 4 straight trips to the playoffs.Oh and the trade is fair. If this wasn't husband and wife AND they weren't both winning, you would not have heard a word from anyone. Classic jealousy combined with needing to see collusion just because their team is not in first. Kind of pathetic in a way.

 

[mozzy84]

the husband better have gotten some on the side with that trade.

 

[pettifogger]

I think the more important issue that should be addressed is how that wife drafted a far better team than the rest of you guys in that league. You all should be embarrassed. Looks like she knows how to appraise WR talent pretty well.

 

[Nate]

The leaders of opposite divisions are colluding together??? Are you kidding???

He could probably have gotten a better return on Addai but how can you seriously think about vetoing this?

Tell the wife's division to quit whining.