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LHUCKS
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I've been reading and hearing that John Beck is really moving up draft boards, I think you've got him a bit low.
Living in AZ I catch a handful of BYU games and I have to say he impressed me quite a bit, moreseo than even Brady Quinn.
I really, really like his decision making and accuracy. Above average arm strength as well.
Don't be surprised if he ends up being the best pro out of the entire group...that includes Russell and Quinn.
Living in AZ I catch a handful of BYU games and I have to say he impressed me quite a bit, moreseo than even Brady Quinn.
I really, really like his decision making and accuracy. Above average arm strength as well.
Don't be surprised if he ends up being the best pro out of the entire group...that includes Russell and Quinn.
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I think Beck will be a solid pro, and has as much as chance as anyone in the second tier to be a startingNFL QB for a good stretch, however for fantasy, I'm not as excited - he doesn't seem to have Smith or Stanton's running ability, or Edwards classic pocket passer profile - and lacks upside because of his age. He is close to overtaking Kolb on my fantasy board, and moving up my draft board.
He's got to have a top 10 grade at this point.
LHUCKS
Footballguy
I think he can have Jon Kitna type success...solid game manager, with some limitations in the pocket. He's got a better arm than Kitna though.
Barry Jive and The Uptown Five
Footballguy
Another Did you know about Ben Patrick: Did you know he started his career at Duke? Played 3 years for a miserable Duke team before transferring to DIAA Delaware for his final season.
The kid is also smart enough to play at Duke and remain academically eligible, so I highly doubt the Wunderlic was much of a problem for him.
The kid is also smart enough to play at Duke and remain academically eligible, so I highly doubt the Wunderlic was much of a problem for him.
We interviewed Ben at the Shrine Game and again at the Senior Bowl, and you could definitely tell he puts the student in student athlete. He already had his degree when he left Duke and enrolled in a master's program when he transferred.
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Jiggyonthehut
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Great job again Bloom, I always look forward to reading these writeups and find this one very refreshing.
Some observations:
--Great job with Trent Edwards. It is hard to get caught up in his measurables but his on-field performance has left much to the imagination. Perhaps it was just the pass-protection but in selecting a QB for the future, I think game tape must outweight potential. Its hard to do just that seeing the success of Jay Cutler (another fantastic talent stuck on a sub-par major conference team) and I'm guilty of it far too often.
--Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Your ranking of Walker is absolutely spot-on. He has somehow managed to fly under the radar despite posting some pretty gaudy stats at UCF. People tend to overrate a prospect such as Paul Williams as opposed to his physical clone in Mike Walker- despite Walker's steady stats for two years and Williams' huge dropoff after the 2005 season. It is clear to me that Walker has the better hands in this scenario, making him more of a sure FF thing, while Williams is the better runner after the catch and is strong enough to challenge physical corners, especially in the red-zone. Besides, Walker has been a steady contributor, producing in a huge way (TD's) when he doesn't have big games and consistantly maintaining a 10-15 YPC, while Williams would explode then be shut out and fluctuated between 10-20 YPC constantly. I can certainly see Walker getting a possession (#2 or #3) role and contributing within a year or two while Williams is going to be groomed into that dynamite #1 which may or may not ever happen. Good call here Bloom.
--One guy I think you missed here was Brandon Myles. He had an impressive pro-day displaying a great 40-time of 4.40 on an otherwise slow surface (comparable to grass). But what impressed me the most were his senior bowl workouts where he seemed to dominate opposing CB's especially in the red zone, getting great leverage on post and corner routes. Good concentration on those catches and looked like pretty decent routes. May be a classic case where the WR is negatively affected by a run-oriented offense. His contribution has come in a big way, however, converting a great ratio of his catches into TD's. Made some great catches at WVU which highlighted his ability to get the ball at its high-point. I just don't understand why he isn't in the top-40 when he has more starting (and FF) potential than, for example, a Craig Davis or Mike Walker.
Some observations:
--Great job with Trent Edwards. It is hard to get caught up in his measurables but his on-field performance has left much to the imagination. Perhaps it was just the pass-protection but in selecting a QB for the future, I think game tape must outweight potential. Its hard to do just that seeing the success of Jay Cutler (another fantastic talent stuck on a sub-par major conference team) and I'm guilty of it far too often.
--Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Your ranking of Walker is absolutely spot-on. He has somehow managed to fly under the radar despite posting some pretty gaudy stats at UCF. People tend to overrate a prospect such as Paul Williams as opposed to his physical clone in Mike Walker- despite Walker's steady stats for two years and Williams' huge dropoff after the 2005 season. It is clear to me that Walker has the better hands in this scenario, making him more of a sure FF thing, while Williams is the better runner after the catch and is strong enough to challenge physical corners, especially in the red-zone. Besides, Walker has been a steady contributor, producing in a huge way (TD's) when he doesn't have big games and consistantly maintaining a 10-15 YPC, while Williams would explode then be shut out and fluctuated between 10-20 YPC constantly. I can certainly see Walker getting a possession (#2 or #3) role and contributing within a year or two while Williams is going to be groomed into that dynamite #1 which may or may not ever happen. Good call here Bloom.
--One guy I think you missed here was Brandon Myles. He had an impressive pro-day displaying a great 40-time of 4.40 on an otherwise slow surface (comparable to grass). But what impressed me the most were his senior bowl workouts where he seemed to dominate opposing CB's especially in the red zone, getting great leverage on post and corner routes. Good concentration on those catches and looked like pretty decent routes. May be a classic case where the WR is negatively affected by a run-oriented offense. His contribution has come in a big way, however, converting a great ratio of his catches into TD's. Made some great catches at WVU which highlighted his ability to get the ball at its high-point. I just don't understand why he isn't in the top-40 when he has more starting (and FF) potential than, for example, a Craig Davis or Mike Walker.
Edwards is physically well suited to be a classic dropback QB. Some team is going to convince themselves that they can unlock his potential - I expect to him to be a first day pick as long as he checks out medically. You're right to point out that he's more of an unknown than a diamond in the rough, there's not much for him to hang his hat on in his Stanford years.
Im late to the party here, and Chaos Commish is the guy with the eye for talent that should be commended on Walker. He's in the Brandon Marshall family tree, so you know I love that. What really turned me on to Walker other than CC was hearing his coach say that he's just now healthy, that the 06 version was not really him - like Hill, the 2006 line is probably deceptive.--Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Your ranking of Walker is absolutely spot-on. He has somehow managed to fly under the radar despite posting some pretty gaudy stats at UCF. People tend to overrate a prospect such as Paul Williams as opposed to his physical clone in Mike Walker- despite Walker's steady stats for two years and Williams' huge dropoff after the 2005 season. It is clear to me that Walker has the better hands in this scenario, making him more of a sure FF thing, while Williams is the better runner after the catch and is strong enough to challenge physical corners, especially in the red-zone. Besides, Walker has been a steady contributor, producing in a huge way (TD's) when he doesn't have big games and consistantly maintaining a 10-15 YPC, while Williams would explode then be shut out and fluctuated between 10-20 YPC constantly. I can certainly see Walker getting a possession (#2 or #3) role and contributing within a year or two while Williams is going to be groomed into that dynamite #1 which may or may not ever happen. Good call here Bloom.
I won't argue with the assertion that he had a good Senior Bowl, and that he's close to a first day physical talent. Davis is a first round physical specimen, and Walker is much more polished and proven. The other reason I would take either over Myles at this point is that perplexing combine snub. Im just stumped as to why this guy didn't get an invite even though everyone could see he more than belonged at the Senior Bowl. I will say some of his success on the red zone routes were based on triple move type stuff that he just won't have time to do in the pros.He'll be in the next installment - he's really part of a WR tier that Walker leads of guys who will likely be second day picks (or maybe even UDFA) that should be easy to cherry pick in the 3rd/4th round of rookie drafts because they are not well known outside of draftnik circles.
We were impressed by Myles all week in Mobile. Our Interview with Myles at Senior Bowl practiceHiggins has done nothing but drop since I started touting him. His quickness and speed were apparent at the Senior Bowl, but he seem as under control as he did at UTEP, then at the combine, his speed was not as rare it looked on the field.
The other part of the Higgins love is his work ethic and character - if he misses, it won't be because of lack of dedication.
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Jiggyonthehut
Footballguy
Bloom, an argument on two accounts.1.) As for the combine snub, that seemed almost to be a procedural issue in that the committee seemed to look strictly at his stats, not taking into account the run-first-and-only-run scheme at WVU or his excellent performance at the Senior Bowl. It seems almost unfair to him that he was penalized as such, but I doubt that would detract any from his fantasy value. We all know firsthand, especially this year, that late rounders can make a huge impact, even in their rookie seasons. (See Marques Colston). Or are you implying that it was a technicality- (academic ineligibility, behavioral issues a la kyle young, etc.)?
2.) As for the specific Senior Bowl practices, I will defer to you as you were there yourself, but I only recall Myles running a double move or more twice out of all the days. I could be wrong as the coverage didn't usually focus on the receivers' routes, but I definitely did see a good bit of skinny posts, fades and at least a few slants. The main point about his catches was his ability to do so with his hands away from his body and minimize drops. I know he had a bad one mid-week but that was offset by a number of solid grabs in the red-zone area with good coverage. Also, he challenged DB's over the top and snatched a few questionable balls which should have been picks. Most of all, however, he showed great separation and leverage on routes and for a guy his size, that can only be a good thing. He performed fantastic in his agility drills and, frankly, I see no reason that this guy isn't a top physical prospect with his speed and size. Weight may be an issue but with his speed/size, corners will feign jam him in red-zone situations- where he is primed to excel.
PS: Besides, when he ran that triple-move route, I was amazed that he could judge the timing and distance as he did.
PPS: I'm not out to get you bloom. I just like to debate these things because you clearly know some things I dont.
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All I can say about the combine snub is that it just confuses me. I have no knowledge of the "why" of it. I just know that combine invites are great indicators of whether a player will get drafted, and Myles didn't get one, even after lighting up the practices in Mobile - and there's some loose invites built in that don't get assigned until the week after the Senior Bowl...It's probably nothing, but I can't completely write it off. Then again, Maurice Price didn't get an invite either.the triple move in the red zone was more his hesitation and "jukes" at the line than what he did in the route. Ill grant that he looked great, and that he's a guy that will end up on a lot of my dynasty teams. Im just not ready to take him over Walker or Davis.Bloom, an argument on two accounts.1.) As for the combine snub, that seemed almost to be a procedural issue in that the committee seemed to look strictly at his stats, not taking into account the run-first-and-only-run scheme at WVU or his excellent performance at the Senior Bowl. It seems almost unfair to him that he was penalized as such, but I doubt that would detract any from his fantasy value. We all know firsthand, especially this year, that late rounders can make a huge impact, even in their rookie seasons. (See Marques Colston). Or are you implying that it was a technicality- (academic ineligibility, behavioral issues a la kyle young, etc.)?2.) As for the specific Senior Bowl practices, I will defer to you as you were there yourself, but I only recall Myles running a double move or more twice out of all the days. I could be wrong as the coverage didn't usually focus on the receivers' routes, but I definitely did see a good bit of skinny posts, fades and at least a few slants. The main point about his catches was his ability to do so with his hands away from his body and minimize drops. I know he had a bad one mid-week but that was offset by a number of solid grabs in the red-zone area with good coverage. Also, he challenged DB's over the top and snatched a few questionable balls which should have been picks. Most of all, however, he showed great separation and leverage on routes and for a guy his size, that can only be a good thing. He performed fantastic in his agility drills and, frankly, I see no reason that this guy isn't a top physical prospect with his speed and size. Weight may be an issue but with his speed/size, corners will feign jam him in red-zone situations- where he is primed to excel.PS: Besides, when he ran that triple-move route, I was amazed that he could judge the timing and distance as he did.
I love to debate these points. I learn a lot , also people successfully persuade me to change my mind more than you would think.
