Pro Life - Anti Welfare (1 Viewer)

[captain_amazing]

Blah blah blah pull up by your own bootstraps blah blah blah cheating the system blah blah blah stop having kids blah blah blah get a job blah blah blah all using drugs and alcohol blah blah blah I read one example of these and generalize everyone else blah blah blah...

 

[Chaka]

Crockett on the unconstitutionality of using public money for charity.  An oldie and longie but goodie.  This is all about the spirit of the original constitution if anyone still cares about it, not about more recent myriad Supreme Court rulings that have usurped the meaning of the original constitution.

http://www.constitution.org/cons/crockett.htm

May I presume that you staunchly support Obama nominating a new Supreme Court Justice?

 

[jon_mx]

We actually weren't technically deficit free either.

yeah.  it took some serious accounting tricks to show that we had a balanced budget.  

 

[IvanKaramazov]

Does it make any sense to be pro life and fight against welfare?

Ask yourself if it makes any sense to be pro-choice and for welfare.  There's your answer.

Spoiler

(Yes, that is).

 

[IvanKaramazov]

Just for the record, the types of welfare we're talking about are farm subsidies and tax breaks for the oil companies, right?   

This kind of thing is why I'm so cynical about government in general, and why I don't sweat the small safety-net programs that we have now (even if they could be much better designed).  Our government can't even bring itself to get rid of completely obvious boondoggles like farm programs, ethanol subsidies, etc.  Given that, I think it's completely unrealistic to expect to tighten spending on programs that actually have serious, real-life supporters.

Also, I appreciate you saying that you at least get the pro-life position even if you personally disagree with it.  These discussions would all go a lot better -- not just on this topic but on everything -- if people spent a little time trying to understand the other side.    

 

[Leroy Hoard]

Just for the record, the types of welfare we're talking about are farm subsidies and tax breaks for the oil companies, right?   

Just as long as those 2 groups are not having sex together.

 

[Rove!]

It depends on what you mean by pro life. 

If you mean you want to reduce abortion, then not wanting to provide financial support to vulnerable young mothers is indeed a bit of a contradiction, as financial considerations loom large in the decision to have or not have an abortion for many women.

If it means you don't actually care about reducing abortion, you just want to make it illegal so you can hold a position of moral superiority and prove how you belong to your tribe, then no, not at all. 

Is it possible to be against killing your school age children and anti-welfare? Financial considerations and all...

 

[Chadstroma]

So this is another spin on the abortions keep crime down? This is the abortions keep welfare down argument? Hell, if that makes sense- why do we have an age limit on this? Let's round up all the poor kids and liquidate them. It will be the final solution to poverty and crime!

 

[3C's]

This might seem odd but my dad wanted my sister to have an abortion.  She didn't and my niece works for planned parenthood.

Fortunately your sister had a choice and was able to make a reasoned and responsible decision that worked for her.

 

[huthut]

Pretty sure this covers 99% of the argument against abortion by republicans.

http://imgur.com/STz6zwG

 

[Binky The Doormat]

Does it make any sense to be pro life and fight against welfare?

I feel strongly both ways.

 

[Dentist]

I used to be strongly pro abortion and anti welfare.  I wanted there to be as few poor people as possible and thought we could abort our way there.

Over time I've come to be non committal on abortion.  And less harsh on welfare.

Basically I realize that there has to be a lower class to make society function and that my price for welfare via taxes is the price of doing business to keep the poor from rioting.

I've got a good thing going, let's just keep giving out just enough welfare to prevent riots and class warfare, and dowhatchalike in regard to shasmortions (knocked up reference)