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PSA for the SP: RELAX It's Preseason (1 Viewer)

This same thing happens every year, though this year it seems to be happening to an even greater degree than usual. Maybe it's because with the Lockout and lack of OTA's etc people (especially the media, and ESPECIALLY the 'new media'/blogosphere etc) seem to be WAAAAAAAAY over analyzing the Preseason games this year as that is all we have. Especially vis a vis stats/scores/yardage etc, as this is how us FFLers often measure performance. Just remember this, most of that stuff doesn't matter, or maybe is 10% as important as you/we think it is. I think the lockout also whipped everyone into a frenzy over the fear of no NFL, but that doesn't mean these PS games are any more important tht the meaningless preseason games of years past.

These PS games are for the coaches to evaluate talent and various skill sets to a certain degree, but are really just a way for the NFL to glean another billion dollars or so out of the suckers/fans who are willing to pay 100 bucks to watch two disinterested team's scrubs play a game that no one really cares who wins. Offensive & Defensive coaches aren't gonna tip their hands and 'open up their playbooks', so most of the plays are of dubious importance.

There is one aspect of the PS that truly does matter, and that is evaluating how far a player has come back from an injury. As it is one of the few chances we get to see how recovered from said injury/surgery etc the player is with our own eyes. To a certain extent how the rookies perform at the 'speed of an NFL game' is important. This is especially true when evaluating a rookie who will start out of the gate a la andy dalton. But judging and drafting as if these PS games are as important say as last years games is ludicrous. The effort level of all players is less in these games, no matter what they tell you. The plays on O and D are very vanilla, and so take what you see with a grain of salt.

DO NOT massively alter your draft boards based on what stats are put up in PS. Do not draft a guy who wasn't even on your board, because he put up wild numbers in these scrimmages and conversely don't drop a guy off your boards because of how bad their stats looked in PS. History is littered with examples of the fallacy of both moves.

I'll close with this. Anyone remember the Detroit lions 0-16 season? They went 4-0 in the preseason. Relax people, football will be here soon enough, but don't take ESPN's 'hype bait' and get too worried about the fact that Michael Vick threw three int's in a meaningless preseason game.

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found this online. This guy gets it. (ETA that 'this guy is actually Chris Collinsworth :lmao: )





Repeat After Me: I Will Not Be Fooled By PRESEASON Football



I am now 52 years old. Every year I tell myself and anyone who will listen to NEVER pay any attention to what you see in preseason games. The teams play schemes that wouldn't fool a decent high school coach. Repeat after me, it is all about personnel. Watch players, not teams. I really am not lecturing anybody, I am just talking to myself. Every year I watch preseason games and end up believing my eyes and not my brain (Right, Ted Ginn. Don't even go there Clem). I know better. But, I am always so excited for the start of the season, I start analyzing games that don't matter. Preseason is played by guys who either won't be there, or don't want to be there. And yet, every year I start drawing conclusions that are no more valid than my opinions on European Opera. [ :lmao: ] So enjoy the preseason and monitor this site daily for any lapses on my part. By the way, have I mentioned that European Opera has really declined in the last few year. The lack of sopranos has...................
Russell S Baxter - 08-11-2011 05:21 PM
Never sure what to make of the preseason but one thing not to rely on is results. Last season, 49ers were 4-0 during the summer and went 6-10 in the regular season. In 2008, Lions were only team 4-0 in preseason and went 0-16. Last season, Bears and Colts were both 0-4 and both won division titles and 10-plus games. But here's one that's kind of interesting. Only once in 45 years has a team gone winless in the preseason and still WON the Super Bowl. That was the 1982 Redskins during the strike-shortened 9-game season. That's a hard number to ignore, but everything subject to change these days...
 
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The game changes fast. You would be a fool (no offense) to not pay attention to the preseason.

But, yeah, I understand your point about going overboard with the significance of preseason stats.

 
The game changes fast. You would be a fool (no offense) to not pay attention to the preseason.But, yeah, I understand your point about going overboard with the significance of preseason stats.
meh I guess I'll add evaluating if veteran running backs have lost a gear, to the evaluating if players have recovered fully from an injury. But largely I disagree with you, as Veterans typically 'mail it in'/hold back/even fake injuries so they don't have to play in these meaningless preseason games. I mean does Derrick Mason/Tony Gonzalez need to be out there to show you he knows how to catch a football?
 
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nice example here. This may have given you insight that Aaron rogers wasn't gonna suck (though his status as #1 qb that year prolly did that anyways) and it may have alerted you that the NE TE was able to catch but look at the other 'leaders' on this list including anthony dixon, Josh McNown, Victor Cruz, cedric peerman and the CAR Defense leading in both Points against and yards against :lmao:





http://www.canalstreetchronicles.com/2010/9/11/1675923/final-2010-nfl-pre-season-stats







by Dave Cariello on Sep 11, 2010 6:00 AM CDT

Final 2010 NFL Pre-Season Stats





2010 NFL PRESEASON INDIVIDUAL & TEAM STATISTICAL LEADERS

NFL preseason statistical leaders were tracked in 2010 by the Elias Sports Bureau, official statisticians of the NFL.Listed below are the final preseason leaders in the American and National Football Conferences. Rookie running back ANTHONY DIXON of the San Francisco 49ers was the NFL preseason rushing leader with 300 rushing yards. Rookie wide receiver VICTOR CRUZ of the New York Giants led the league in receiving yards with 297. The leading passer was Green Bay Packers quarterback AARON RODGERS with a 141.2 rating.

The Packers finished the 2010 preseason with the top-ranked offense, averaging 406.0 yards per game. TheCarolina Panthers led the league in defense with a 206.8 yards-per-game average.



 
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thanks to



Insane Moron Draws Conclusion From NFL Preseason Game

AUGUST 26, 2011 |BRISTOL, CT—Basing his argument on an entirely meaningless preseason game between the Chicago Bears and the New York Giants, a deranged idiot came to a completely ####### stupid conclusion Tuesday about the whole 2011 NFL season, sources confirmed.

The raving simpleton, who somehow managed to string together several words to make the moronic comments, seemed to believe he had determined—by watching 60 minutes of pointless football—how the Bears' and Giants' offenses, defenses, and special teams units would fare throughout the regular season and even the ####### playoffs, for Christ's sake. According to reports, the mentally ill oaf arrived at his nonsensical revelations by feebly analyzing the statistics and final score of the insignificant contest, which was primarily used by the coaches to evaluate third- and fourth-string players.

"Brian Urlacher is still a force to reckon with out there; even though he's in his 12th season, the guy hasn't lost a step," the lunatic said in reference to a linebacker who was out on the field for four defensive series and was credited with one measly tackle. "Urlacher is going to continue to dominate for years to come."

Throughout the two-minute postgame analysis, the severely brain-damaged dimwit talked very loudly and drew a number of foolish conclusions based on a game that was largely played by substitutes who will spend the majority of the season on the bench. While the imbecilic dip#### babbled that the victory—in a contest that served no real purpose—proved New York had no weaknesses, he reportedly failed to make any mention of the team's questions at wide receiver, its need for a playmaking tight end, and the way mounting injuries had taken a toll on its defensive line and secondary.

"The Eagles made the big splash in free agency, but I think these Giants have all the pieces in place to win the NFC East and make a real solid run for the Super Bowl," said the demented buffoon, who gets paid millions of dollars to offer his expertise. "They put 41 points on a very, very good defense. No team in the NFL is firing on every cylinder like the Giants."

The thickheaded numbskull, who seemed incapable of forming complete thoughts before blurting out incredibly ####### statements, also idiotically suggested the Giants might have a quarterback controversy, citing the fact that backup David Carr threw two touchdowns against a bunch of crappy scrubs who would consider themselves lucky as hell if they made the Bears' practice squad.

According to the psychotic dolt, when Bears wideout Devin Hester caught a 37-yard pass from quarterback Jay Cutler, he established himself as one of the best receivers in the NFL, despite the sixth-year player's reputation for drops and ####ty route-running.

"I applaud Lovie Smith and Mike Martz for taking Hester off kickoff returns, because this kid is a star wide receiver and he needs to be positioned where he can do the most damage against opposing teams," the clinically insane, suit-and-tie-wearing man said of the wide receiver, who tallied a whopping 40 receptions for 475 yards and four whole ####### touchdowns in 2010. "Hester is so exciting. He's one of the best I've ever seen."

The unhinged twit repeatedly placed far too much importance on trivial moments in the inconsequential game, ignorantly prattling on and on like a jackass about the significance of a false-start penalty that, according to the moron, fully indicated Bears rookie right tackle Gabe Carimi was not ready to play in the NFL.

In addition, after watching Giants top cornerback Terrell Thomas leave the game early in the second quarter with a torn ACL in his right knee, the big dumb #### with the microphone actually questioned whether the defensive back really wanted to win the irrelevant ####### game.

Although the schizophrenic clod would have been better off sticking his head up his ####### and searching there for more relevant analysis, the mumbling lump of #### instead decreed the Bears had finally fixed their ineffectiveness in the red zone, apparently because some third- or fourth-string player managed to score a one-yard touchdown run with 30 seconds remaining against a bunch of substitutes on the Giants.

The drooling ignoramus also managed to praise Jay Cutler, an act of astonishing vapidity which in and of itself proves he should never be allowed to speak on television.

 
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Guys that ignored preseason last year lost out on Foster to the guys that were paying attention.
:bs: Foster was a known steal from the year before. It had next to nothing to do with PS (save that Tate went down w/ an injury then IIRC) He was being hyped like mad around here all summer 2010 (ie b4 preseason)For every Terrell Davis who shines in PS and comes out of nowhere there are 40 scrubs who disappear after PS is over.

For e.g here are your 2008 PS QB leaders

1Dan OrlovskyDETQB447459.518.54996.7124.8212635.14561383.12Kevin KolbPHIQB488357.820.84805.8120.0112428.94241273.43Ken DorseyCLEQB407950.619.84685.9117.0132227.84471457.44Charlie FryeSEAQB416761.222.34506.7150.0232029.968T31372.45Brady QuinnCLEQB416266.115.54286.9107.0112032.344T31184.66Jared LorenzenINDQB448154.316.24055.081.0232024.73240761.07Matt MooreCARQB356553.816.23896.097.2032030.82260352.78David CarrNYGQB395867.214.53676.391.8301729.329208101.79Chad HenneMIAQB406363.515.83515.687.8121930.22640470.310Matt RyanATLQB345957.614.82945.073.5211728.825T10475.1





and here are your wr's for the 2008. Note that there are more 'top 5-10' guys at the bottom half of this list than at the top.





Statistics

[*]By Player Category

[*]By Player Position

[*]By Team Category

All NFL AFC NFC Category... Passing Rushing Receiving Kicking Field Goals Kick Returns Punting Sacks Scoring Touchdowns Tackles Interceptions Total Yards Season... 2011 2010 2009 2008 2007 2006 2005 2004 2003 2002 2001 2000 1999 1998 1997 1996 1995 1994 1993 1992 1991 1990 1989 1988 1987 1986 1985 1984 1983 1982 1981 1980 1979 1978 1977 1976 1975 1974 1973 1972 1971 1970 1969 1968 1967 1966 1965 1964 1963 1962 1961 1960 1959 1958 1957 1956 1955 1954 1953 1952 1951 1950 1949 1948 1947 1946 1945 1944 1943 1942 1941 1940 1939 1938 1937 1936 1935 1934 1933 1932 Season Type... Preseason Regular Season Postseason All Rookie 2nd year 3rd year 4th year 5th year 6th year 7th year 8th year 9th year 10th year 11th year 12th year 13th year 14th year 15th year 16th year 17th year 18th year 19th year 20th year 21st year 22nd year 23rd year 24th year 25th year 28th year 29th year 30th year 31st year 32nd year 38th year

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ReceivingRkPlayerTeamPosRecYdsAvgYds/GLngTD20+40+1st1st%FUM1DeSean JacksonPHIWR1618911.863.0230201062.502Dominique ZeiglerSFWR1516210.840.5161001173.313Dwayne JarrettCARWR1313910.746.322020753.803Dominique ThompsonCARWR1315311.838.222010861.503Kevin WalterHOUWR1316612.855.327240753.806David AndersonHOUWR1215913.339.843111975.006Malcom FloydSDWR1213711.434.222020650.006Dane LookerSTLWR1214912.437.247121975.006John StandefordDETWR1217414.543.545031975.006Chauncey WashingtonJACRB12756.318.817000216.7111Lorenzo BookerPHIRB11625.615.513000327.3011Jason HillSFWR1120418.551.037T1301090.9111Steve JohnsonBUFWR11857.721.217000654.5011Jordan KentSEAWR1112811.632.023220654.5011Maurice MannWASWR1111510.523.020T120654.5011Jerome SimpsonCINWR1115714.339.242021654.5011Clifton SmithTBRB11918.322.821010327.3018Michael JenkinsATLWR10888.822.019000660.0018Matt JonesJACWR1013113.132.828020770.0018Brandon MarshallDENWR1013913.946.349T221770.0018Robert MeachemNOWR1021721.754.260T133770.0018Michael PittmanDENRB10414.110.210100330.0018Ray RiceBALRB10444.411.01100000.0018Cliff RussellDENWR10868.621.519000660.0018Steve SandersCLEWR10959.523.819000550.0018Mike Sims-WalkerJACWR1011011.027.519000550.0018Jacob TammeINDTE1013313.333.247211770.0018Jerheme UrbanARIWR1016416.441.035040770.0018Ben UtechtCINTE1010810.827.018100770.0030Aundrae AllisonMINWR911612.929.025010888.9030Adam BergenBALTE9515.712.89000222.2030Tim CastilleARIFB9839.220.824T110444.4030Jesse ChatmanNYJRB910111.233.739010555.6030Darnell DinkinsCLETE910111.225.223020444.4030Donald DriverGBWR9879.721.823110555.6030Brian FinneranATLWR910611.826.520T110666.7030Domenik HixonNYGWR913715.234.224T230666.7030Calvin JohnsonDETWR917018.956.740141444.4030C.J. JonesNEWR913414.933.537120777.8030Derrick MasonBALWR913915.434.830120777.8030Travis MinorSTLRB9485.312.011100222.2030Josh MorganSFWR918220.260.759T151777.8030Bo ScaifeTENTE99010.022.522030444.4030Raymond VentroneNEWR911012.227.521020555.6030Roddy WhiteATLWR9819.020.225T110555.6046Dallas BakerPITWR811514.428.833030562.5046Hank BaskettPHIWR810913.627.225020675.0146Davone BessMIAWR8637.915.820010225.0046Michael BumpusSEAWR813316.644.330020787.5046David ClowneyNYJWR822227.8111.071T232675.00





 
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This Football Outsiders post is more focusing on w/l record and overall team performance. But it basically comes to the same conclusion. And even they say that the first halfs have a modicum of predictability, and the rest is largely useless.

07 Aug 2006

Does the NFL Preseason Matter?

Guest Column by Patrick Allison

It's often said that NFL preseason is pointless. The players themselves often say they would rather just have the season start, and coaches constantly worry about someone getting injured. People complain it's not real football, because coaches don't gameplan the same, starting players don't play the entire game, and probably most importantly, the teams don't actually care about winning, for the most part.

But on the other side, it's not like offensive linemen protect the quarterback any less just because it's preseason. If a tackle misses a blocking assignment, and the QB goes down, that could doom the entire season. They have to play as if it's real. And no QB will actively try to throw an interception, even in preseason, unless you're Chad Hutchinson.

As for the fact that some of the players aren't the same, well, to be honest, the regular season faces those problems as well. The Buffalo Bills that you face in Week 1 are probably not the same Bills you face in Week 17. Plus, over the season, every team needs to draw from its backups as players get injured. The quality of your backups eventually becomes the quality of your team. Depth is every bit as important as the ability of your first string.

That being said, can we find an actual correlation between preseason and regular season performance? Well, it's difficult; it's only four games in preseason. Do the number of wins in the first four games of the regular season correlate with the number of wins in the remaining 12? Not well. The Patriots and Eagles of 2003 know this from pleasant experience. Plus, what if your preseason contests in 2004 were against four very bad teams? It's easy to see that this approach can be very heavily biased.

Thankfully, there is a way we can deal with this bias. Occasionally, though not often, NFL teams play a team in preseason and then face them again in the regular season. So we can try looking for a correlation in the point difference in the preseason game, and the point difference in the regular season game. Let's say Denver beats San Francisco in the preseason by 30 points. What happens during the regular season if they meet again?

First, let's look at the distribution of point differentials from all NFL games from 2000-2005:





It's a nice, smooth distribution, with a width (RMS) of about 15 points. That is, about 70 percent of all games in the NFL are decided by 15 points or less. That means, if we have no correlation between preseason games and regular season performance, if Denver beats San Francisco by 30 points in the preseason, we would not expect Denver to beat San Francisco again by 30 points -- it's just too uncommon an occurance in the NFL for this to happen twice if the first occurance didn't mean anything. So, by looking at the correlation between the point differentials, we can see if the preseason game influences the regular season game's results.

This is going to be a sloppy, sloppy method. Scoring in football is quantized in weird quantities. It may be easier to get a 7-point differential than a 1-point differential. But we still might be able to see something, though obviously smoother quantities like FO's DVOA stats would be better here.

So we know that this is going to be sloppy. But can we learn anything from it? Well, the first question to ask is what does this look like in a situation where we know that the games mean something? That we can answer easily. Teams in the same division meet each other twice in the regular season, so we just have to look at those games. If Philadelphia beats Washington by 30 points, what does that mean for the next game? So here's a plot of first game regular season point differential vs. second game regular season point differential for the past six years.





The grey line is just to guide the eye -- it's a correlation of 1, that is, the first game point differential equals the second game point differential. The pink line is a linear regression fit. While the fit looks pretty flat -- it's a correlation coefficient of 0.20 -- given the number of points, the trend is quite significant (P-value of 0.008, for those who care). Note how few teams lost their first game by 14 points or more and won the second game by 14 points or more - only four. In fact, only once did a team lose by 20 or more points in their first meeting and win by 20 or more (for real) in their second: the New England Patriots, who lost 31-0 to the Buffalo Bills in 2003, and then beat them 31-0 at the end of the season. (The other point was the Vikings beating the Bears in a meaningless Week 17 game.) That's what those two far outliers are (one for the Patriots, one for the Bills). So if you thought that was weird, you should have. In contrast, there were 17 situations where a team won their first game by 14 or more points, and won their second game by 14 or more points.

This result is exactly what we expect. That's good. It means that people who try to figure out what game results mean (like, anyone at FO) aren't out of their minds -- if a better team beats a worse team once, they're likely to do it again. Game results aren't random. To illustrate this a little more clearly, let's look at that distribution of point differentials -- but now, let's look at the distribution of point differentials from the second game, after the first game has been won by more than 14 points.





It looks similar to the first distribution, with a spread of about 15 points, but the mean is now shifted by about 5 points. So if a team wins their first game by 14 or more points, the average outcome of the second game is a win by 5 points. Unless you're the Buffalo Bills.

Now that we know what the regular season games look like (where we all agree they mean something), let's go to the preseason since 2000. Let's be a little more intelligent about it, though. Let's look at only the first half differential in the preseason versus the full differential in the season (or postseason -- both are included). The correlation is significantly reduced if we use the full game, which is a good thing -- this is what our intuition would expect, since the players in the second half sometimes are on different teams during the season.





This time around, the correlation is actually stronger (correlation coefficient of 0.31), though the significance is less (P-value of 0.04), though still significant. There are no teams who were losing by more than 20 points who won their regular-season (or postseason) games by more than 20 points.

Thanks to Michael David Smith for pointing out why the correlation could be stronger: in the regular season, all intradivisional games are played once at home, once away, whereas that's not the case for preseason rematches. Since we know that home field advantage exists, we actually expect the regular season correlation to be weaker. As a stupid example, imagine that home field advantage gives a team 5 points. If the Packers play at Chicago, and lose 10-25, when Chicago plays at Lambeau, you might expect them to lose 15-20. This would put a point on the previous chart at (-15, -5), which would tend to flatten the correlation.

There aren't enough data points to make the same distribution as before, but we can move things down a little and look at all games where the point differential at the half was more than 7 points. This distribution's got a bit more of a tail than the first one.





However, it's still shifted positive significantly. So if you are more than 7 points ahead of an opponent at the half, on average, you beat them by about 6 points in the regular season. To put things in perspective, note that of the 44 teams in this sample, 28 beat the teams a second time. Only 16 teams lost, and only six by more than 10 points. The tail here is Tennessee, San Diego, and Washington, who must've ticked off Oakland, San Francisco, and Pittsburgh, losing by 27, 28, and 21 points respectively. (It took teams a while to remember Ryan Leaf is god-awful).

So what exactly does this mean? Well, it's difficult to say. The sample size is certainly small, that's for sure, but the effect is pretty significant. It looks like preseason first halves do have predictive power on the regular season.

These are the common preseason games this year, and there are an unusual number of them:

[*]Buffalo-Detroit, preseason Week 4, rematch Week 6.

[*]Cincinnati-Indianapolis, preseason Week 4, rematch Week 15.

[*]Denver-Arizona, preseason Week 4, rematch Week 15.

[*]Jacksonville-Miami, preseason Week 1, rematch Week 13.

[*]Kansas City-St. Louis, preseason Week 3, rematch Week 9.

[*]Oakland-San Francisco, preseason Week 3, rematch Week 5.

[*]Oakland-Seattle, preseason Week 4, rematch Week 9.

[*]San Diego-San Francisco, preseason Week 4, rematch Week 6.

[*]Arizona-Chicago, preseason Week 3, rematch Week 6.

[*]Carolina-Pittsburgh, preseason Week 4, rematch Week 14.

[*]Chicago-San Francisco, preseason Week 1, rematch Week 8.

[*]Dallas-New Orleans, preseason Week 2, rematch Week 14.

(Ed. note: The number of preseason/regular season rematches is high this year because the AFC West and NFC West tend to schedule each other for preseason games to cut down on travel costs -- and this year, they are also scheduled for interconference play.)

Certainly the preseason is less important than the regular season -- after all, these games don't actually count. Plus, coaches don't usually put backups in when the game is close, and we know they gameplan differently in the regular season. But it seems like the data are trying to indicate that preseason does, in fact, mean something -- at the very least, fans should be concerned when teams are blown out in the first half. Dismissing the games outright is probably a little irrational.

For another take on this which shows that preseason does in fact matter, check out TwoMinuteWarning.com. This is an updated version of an article TMW first did in 2004, and it looks at what the preseason can tell us about total wins and losses in the upcoming regular season.

One final point: there's not enough data in four years of the preseason to see if the preseason/regular season correlation gets weaker as the number of weeks separating the games increases, but we know from weighted DVOA that the predictive power of older games drops significantly after about 13 weeks. So take the common games where the second game is much later in the season with a grain of salt.

Patrick Allison is a graduate student in physics at Ohio State, who is thankful for free time on airplanes to work with random football statistics. If you are interested in writing a guest column for Football Outsiders, something with a unique take on the NFL, please e-mail info-at-footballoutsiders.com.

Posted by: Guest on 07 Aug 2006

56 comments, Last at 16 Aug 2006, 5:45pm by Pat

 
Guys that ignored preseason last year lost out on Foster to the guys that were paying attention.
:bs: Foster was a known steal from the year before. It had next to nothing to do with PS (save that Tate went down w/ an injury then IIRC) He was being hyped like mad around here all summer 2010 (ie b4 preseason)For every Terrell Davis who shines in PS and comes out of nowhere there are 40 scrubs who disappear after PS is over.

For e.g here are your 2008 PS QB leaders

1Dan OrlovskyDETQB447459.518.54996.7124.8212635.14561383.12Kevin KolbPHIQB488357.820.84805.8120.0112428.94241273.43Ken DorseyCLEQB407950.619.84685.9117.0132227.84471457.44Charlie FryeSEAQB416761.222.34506.7150.0232029.968T31372.45Brady QuinnCLEQB416266.115.54286.9107.0112032.344T31184.66Jared LorenzenINDQB448154.316.24055.081.0232024.73240761.07Matt MooreCARQB356553.816.23896.097.2032030.82260352.78David CarrNYGQB395867.214.53676.391.8301729.329208101.79Chad HenneMIAQB406363.515.83515.687.8121930.22640470.310Matt RyanATLQB345957.614.82945.073.5211728.825T10475.1
I think if you have to be told to use moderation in regards to your preseason evaluations you don't know what you are doing anyway and deserve what's coming to you.
 
Preseason is worthless for evaluating established vets. It can be a bit useful for evaluation young unproven talent but that's about it.

It is funny to hear people over-react when a known stud vet is having a bad preseason. They don't care about the preseason, the only goal they have is to get through without injury.

 
I don't have the stats to back it up, but it seems to me that if there is a position that the PS might carry a lil more predictive ability than others it's when watching good 1st half performances by young rbs. Probably b/c their skills are the ones that sheer ability matters more than what everyone else is doing/being in sync etc...

for e.g if you look at the 2008 ps rb list, there were some nice names on it. (ie CJ3 #1 rb) But the names get laughable when looking at 2009 ps rbs. Aveion Cason #1 rb !

 
I don't have the stats to back it up, but it seems to me that if there is a position that the PS might carry a lil more predictive ability than others it's when watching good 1st half performances by young rbs. Probably b/c their skills are the ones that sheer ability matters more than what everyone else is doing/being in sync etc...for e.g if you look at the 2008 ps rb list, there were some nice names on it. (ie CJ3 #1 rb) But the names get laughable when looking at 2009 ps rbs. Aveion Cason #1 rb !
i've come to realize after so many years of going through the preseason that it is almost completely worthless, not 100% worthless but pretty close. I think more wrong conclusions get drawn from it then right ones.i know in the past a lot of coaches would call and talk to each other to discuss what they were trying to accomplish during the preseason game so they could try to prevent injuries and practice their basic sets. I guess the league has tried to make that against the rules but it just shows these games aren't taken seriously so it's hard to judge guys when the starters aren't really trying.Then it gets to the 2nd/3rd string guys who aren't on the same page so there are tons of busted coverages/wrong routes run/etc to where it's such a sloppy game it's hard to draw any meaningful conclusions.The one thing it's good for is getting an idea of the depth chart, but that can be known by looking at an updated depth chart like FBG's have.
 
preseason is good for evaluating young keeper talent. MJD had a great preseason his rookie year. Its worth watching and thank you NFL network for providing.

Edit: you can not evaluate preseason based on stats, you must watch with your own eyes.

 
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nice example here.

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but look at the other 'leaders' on this list including anthony dixon, Josh McNown, Victor Cruz, cedric peerman and the CAR Defense leading in both Points against and yards against :lmao:

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Rookie wide receiver VICTOR CRUZ of the New York Giants led the league in receiving yards with 297.
So, why is it again that we should be ignoring the preseason?
 

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