Pts vs roto (1 Viewer)

[shadyridr]

This is my first yr doing a pts H2H league. What differences should I be aware of? One thing is I dont have to try and hit every category. For example if Im low on steals it doesnt really matter. Anything else?

Also, the scoring in this league is heavily weighted towards pitchers. Roy Halladay score 100 more pts than the next player (hitter or pitcher last yr- yes even Pujols). Previous years, pitchers have comprised of 5 of the top 10 in scoring. Should I abandon the "wait on pitchers" strategy most seem to follow?

Finally I have the 3rd pick in this league (keeper). I have a really hard time taking Hanley Ramirez there. Im not sure how valuable he is in a pts league. It seems the only reason Id be taking him is the advantage he has over most SS's. Im seriously considering bypassing Ramirez for CarGo or Braun. Thoughts about this strategy in a H2H pts league?

 

[Polecat]

In a H2H points per week league, you really have to go with what your scoring system dictates. If it is very heavy pitching, then go with pitching. Especially in a straight draft format. In my league, we do an auction, so the dollar amounts bid take the place of straight drafting. In a dynasty format, the problem with going heavy pitching is that typically pitching is very up and down. There are very few frontline starters that perform at a high level year in, year out. Young pitchers come out of nowhere every year. Offense is easier to predict. If I were you, (depending upon your scoring system) I'd go with young, high ratio starting pitchers, and let everybody else take the proven studs. In a dynasty format, those studs are likely going to break down.

Remember, balance wins out in the long run. Don't go too heavy one way or the other, keep your eye on the waiver wire, and pray that your guys stay healthy.

 

[Finless]

This is my first yr doing a pts H2H league. What differences should I be aware of? One thing is I dont have to try and hit every category. For example if Im low on steals it doesnt really matter. Anything else?Also, the scoring in this league is heavily weighted towards pitchers. Roy Halladay score 100 more pts than the next player (hitter or pitcher last yr- yes even Pujols). Previous years, pitchers have comprised of 5 of the top 10 in scoring. Should I abandon the "wait on pitchers" strategy most seem to follow?Finally I have the 3rd pick in this league (keeper). I have a really hard time taking Hanley Ramirez there. Im not sure how valuable he is in a pts league. It seems the only reason Id be taking him is the advantage he has over most SS's. Im seriously considering bypassing Ramirez for CarGo or Braun. Thoughts about this strategy in a H2H pts league?

First of all points leagues crush roto as far as I'm concerned. With Roto things are generally pretty much wrapped up months before the end of the season. There's no playoffs, there's no real competition. No day-to-day battles. No real #### talking. The picture is usually painted by early August and if you suffer a setback from injuries or super slumps, you're out. In H2H points you can come into the playoffs the 5 seed and get hot and take it down. It's weird, sort of like real baseball...imagine that. I only play in one H2H points league and it's by far my favorite of my baseball leagues. H2H is more similar to the way baseball as a sport plays. There's drama. Sunday night heroics. Come from behind wins. I know I'm in the minority but I can't for the life of me figure out why. My league is a pitcher heavy as well. Sounds very similar to your league as far as the separation between the top pitchers and top batters. I still go with big bats and 5 tool guys in the early rounds. Lots of pitching gems to come as late as the mid to late teens. I generally have pretty good luck waiting on pitchers. Don't usually grab my first until the 6th or 7th round unless there some glaring value sitting there. Then I load up in the mid teens on high upside low cost guys.I'm a bit worried about Braun. Last year was a head scratcher. I still think Hanley is the safest pick. If you get a shot at Adrian Gonzalez in the 2nd round do not pass him up. He's going to put up ridiculous numbers. He may need some time to acclimate, granted but eventually he's going to get out of control...especially in roto.

 

[Time Kibitzer]

This is my first yr doing a pts H2H league. What differences should I be aware of? One thing is I dont have to try and hit every category. For example if Im low on steals it doesnt really matter. Anything else?Also, the scoring in this league is heavily weighted towards pitchers. Roy Halladay score 100 more pts than the next player (hitter or pitcher last yr- yes even Pujols). Previous years, pitchers have comprised of 5 of the top 10 in scoring. Should I abandon the "wait on pitchers" strategy most seem to follow?Finally I have the 3rd pick in this league (keeper). I have a really hard time taking Hanley Ramirez there. Im not sure how valuable he is in a pts league. It seems the only reason Id be taking him is the advantage he has over most SS's. Im seriously considering bypassing Ramirez for CarGo or Braun. Thoughts about this strategy in a H2H pts league?

First of all points leagues crush roto as far as I'm concerned. With Roto things are generally pretty much wrapped up months before the end of the season. There's no playoffs, there's no real competition. No day-to-day battles. No real #### talking. The picture is usually painted by early August and if you suffer a setback from injuries or super slumps, you're out. In H2H points you can come into the playoffs the 5 seed and get hot and take it down. It's weird, sort of like real baseball...imagine that. I only play in one H2H points league and it's by far my favorite of my baseball leagues. H2H is more similar to the way baseball as a sport plays. There's drama. Sunday night heroics. Come from behind wins. I know I'm in the minority but I can't for the life of me figure out why. My league is a pitcher heavy as well. Sounds very similar to your league as far as the separation between the top pitchers and top batters. I still go with big bats and 5 tool guys in the early rounds. Lots of pitching gems to come as late as the mid to late teens. I generally have pretty good luck waiting on pitchers. Don't usually grab my first until the 6th or 7th round unless there some glaring value sitting there. Then I load up in the mid teens on high upside low cost guys.I'm a bit worried about Braun. Last year was a head scratcher. I still think Hanley is the safest pick. If you get a shot at Adrian Gonzalez in the 2nd round do not pass him up. He's going to put up ridiculous numbers. He may need some time to acclimate, granted but eventually he's going to get out of control...especially in roto.

H2H roto leagues is the best of both worlds. Fantasy baseball is meant to be played in a roto format.

 

[Finless]

Meant to, really? Why is that? It's like cracking the newspaper and looking at MLB stats. No excitement. I really don't understand it. Tell me more about the wonders of roto, please. Its boring.

 

[Time Kibitzer]

Meant to, really? Why is that? It's like cracking the newspaper and looking at MLB stats. No excitement. I really don't understand it. Tell me more about the wonders of roto, please. Its boring.

In H2H roto you get the day-to-day battles, the ####-talking, the "real competition", and the playoffs at the end of the year, but instead of using an arbitrary point system you use roto scoring which does a better job of rewarding the victory each week to the teams that had the best overall week. Simply put, roto scoring is a better representation of which team is better on any given week than points is.

 

[Mr. Pickles]

Fin's just pissed that his decent team #### the bed down the stretch in our roto league.

 

[Spartans Rule]

Also, the scoring in this league is heavily weighted towards pitchers. Roy Halladay score 100 more pts than the next player (hitter or pitcher last yr- yes even Pujols). Previous years, pitchers have comprised of 5 of the top 10 in scoring. Should I abandon the "wait on pitchers" strategy most seem to follow?

It's more about VBD than how many points they score. Compare Halladay to a baseline SP, then compare Pujols to a baseline 1B. If pitchers are just scoring lots of points in general and the difference between them isn't that great, you can probably wait on them. But if Halladay is WAY ahead of an average guy, don't be afraid to take him #3. I used to play in points leagues about 10 years ago that were pitcher-heavy and the team that won it all invariably had either Unit, Pedro or Schilling on it.

 

[Spartans Rule]

Simply put, roto scoring is a better representation of which team is better on any given week than points is.

I like roto, but I totally disagree with this. It doesn't accurately represent real baseball well at all.Imagine a team that started Mauer, Pujols, Cano, Tulowitzki, Longoria, Braun, Hamilton, Holliday and Cabrera as its batting lineup, with a starting rotation of Gorzelanny, Blanton, Davies, Narverson and Correia.In real life, that team would be awesome. They'd just beat teams 12-8. In most points leagues they'd be awesome because the hitting points would outweigh the pitching failures. In a roto league they'd be mediocre or worse, because even though they'd run away with 4 offensive categories, they'd suck at pitching and stolen bases. That isn't realistic.The reason roto leagues are popular is because they increase the amount of strategy in the game, force you to have a variety of players, encourage trading, and make following box scores online more fun. It's not because of realism, and I can see why there are people who dislike them for that reason.

 

[Mike]

Something to consider in your HTH league are the waiver rules. If they are very flexible - unlimited pickups every week for example - then you can ease back on the pitching a bit in the draft with the idea you'll be trying to pull some projected two-start pitchers off the wire for the upcoming week to increase your stats just as a result of more innings pitched. With season long (non-HTH) leagues there are often total inning limits that don't really make this a viable option.

In the roto vs. fantasy points argument, the ratios don't come in to play for fantasy points leagues, but they are a big part of baseball which is one reason I'll give an edge to roto for fantasy baseball.

 

[the moops]

In real life, that team would be awesome. They'd just beat teams 12-8. In most points leagues they'd be awesome because the hitting points would outweigh the pitching failures. In a roto league they'd be mediocre or worse, because even though they'd run away with 4 offensive categories, they'd suck at pitching and stolen bases. That isn't realistic.

The opposite is also true. Imagine a team of 9 Derek Jeters. Their intangibles would be through the roof, but in real life the team would struggle. But in roto, they would dominate.