Pujols an Angel (1 Viewer)

[Wrigley]

Anatomy of a Hater: Stay Classy, Card Fans.

Jon in CUO says:

12.08.11 @ 11:30 AM EST

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Another classic from St. Bobby of Edwardsville’s Facebook page:

“if i had a gun with two bullets in it, and was in the room with albert puljos, adolf hitler, and bin laden, I would shot puljos twice……..”

 

[gianmarco]

Lots of callers here in St. Louis with good things to say about Pujols and pretty understanding.

In the end, this is going to be a win for all parties involved.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Despite what anyone says, I sympathize with Cardinals fans. Those fans are the big losers here despite the 2 WS championships Pujols helped bring to the city. It sucks when superstars leave like this.

Except LeBron won nothing...

 

[Bobcat10]

And for those saying Pujols was all about the money...sure he sorta was...but I'm thinking there was some serious thought involved with going to the AL and getting an AL team to pony up the cash. The Marlins were just a bargaining tool and I think it was always Stl or the AL. Being able to DH during this massive contract could turn out to be huge towards his overall legacy.

 

[Bobcat10]

Despite what anyone says, I sympathize with Cardinals fans. Those fans are the big losers here despite the 2 WS championships Pujols helped bring to the city. It sucks when superstars leave like this.

Except LeBron won nothing...

I'm aware. Doesn't change anything I posted. It still sucks that Pujols wasn't a Card for life.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

Seriously? Dude was an idol in STL. Don't let sour grapes on the day of this signing somehow taint how well he was treated in his 11 years there. Like a king.

if a player wins my favorite team two titles and plays like the best player in the league while being underpaid the entire time, and then the franchise waits until the last possible second to try and keep him around, I think it's pretty shameful to call him a ##### when he agrees to accept a deal that none of us would ever be able to resist signing.

I don't disagree with the sentiment, but are we really classifying all of the Cardinals fan base on Mr. Phoenix's post-signing meltdown? As for waiting until the last second, were you asleep for the past year? Albert cut off all negotiations in February when he reported for Spring Training. That was an "Albert thing" that the Cardinals respected.

my original statement had an IF in it.I'm not classifying all Cardinals fans. I said IF they were all like MrPhoenix, no wonder the guy felt disrepected and treated unfairly. Where's the gratitude?Sounds like at least some Cards fans took him for granted and just assumed he would stick around forever no matter what.

 

[shake zula]

Despite what anyone says, I sympathize with Cardinals fans. Those fans are the big losers here despite the 2 WS championships Pujols helped bring to the city. It sucks when superstars leave like this.

Except LeBron won nothing...

Except the East.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Despite what anyone says, I sympathize with Cardinals fans. Those fans are the big losers here despite the 2 WS championships Pujols helped bring to the city. It sucks when superstars leave like this.

Except LeBron won nothing...

Except the East.

Yeah that's important, Merlin.

 

[shake zula]

Despite what anyone says, I sympathize with Cardinals fans. Those fans are the big losers here despite the 2 WS championships Pujols helped bring to the city. It sucks when superstars leave like this.

Except LeBron won nothing...

Except the East.

Yeah that's important, Merlin.

nothing ≠ important, HTH.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Despite what anyone says, I sympathize with Cardinals fans. Those fans are the big losers here despite the 2 WS championships Pujols helped bring to the city. It sucks when superstars leave like this.

Except LeBron won nothing...

Except the East.

Yeah that's important, Merlin.

nothing ≠ important, HTH.

Nothing=anything less than a ChampionshipHTH, Merlin

 

[SoCalBroncoFan]

I think this is a great deal for the Angels. Arte Moreno has done a good thing here. While in past years the LA market was locked up by the Dodgers, the recent journey into hell via the McCourts has really given the Angels a chance to get a foothold in the LA area. Add in the fact that Pujols is a hispanic player that will lure the hispanic fans in and I think it is a win-win for the Angels. While I agree that in the last 4 years of the deal the Angels will be losing money, in the first 6 the money they earn will more than make up for it. There is going to be an increase in jersey sales, season ticket sales are going to grow, attendance will grow and with all of that concessions and parking will grow. Add to that the increase in advertising costs the Angels are going to be able to ask for and the added of revenue of hopefully making and going deep into the playoffs. On the radio this morning I heard someone say that the number being thrown around for the increase in revenue because of the Pujols signing was between 500 million and a billion dollars. Even if those are pie in the sky numbers and he only nets them an extra 250 million, he pays for himself.

Yeah, I think its a good signing.

 

[Eephus]

Despite what anyone says, I sympathize with Cardinals fans. Those fans are the big losers here despite the 2 WS championships Pujols helped bring to the city. It sucks when superstars leave like this. I actually root for the Cards as my NL team but I'd be saying this even if I was a Cubs fan. Hopefully, it works out for the best as he is no use to the Cards if he can't play the field.

It's a game for the fans but a business for the participants

 

[Bigboy10182000]

I think Ravech was on yesterday saying that St Louis is better off long-term without Pujols, I tend to agree. That is just too much money for a smaller market team, even with St Louis' regional following.

In the end, you're right.Ooh, I see the Angels got CJ Wilson, too.

I understand the point, but there's no way the Cards are better off without Albert Pujols.

today no, tomorrow yes

Who knows what tomorrow brings. They put themselves in prime position to be a very competive team for at the least the next 3-4-5 years. Injuries aside they should have no problem winning that division and they now have a feared big bat in the middle of their line-up. Hell of a move for them IMO.

Unreal, Pujols really was just about the money

Me too

 

[shake zula]

Despite what anyone says, I sympathize with Cardinals fans. Those fans are the big losers here despite the 2 WS championships Pujols helped bring to the city. It sucks when superstars leave like this.

Except LeBron won nothing...

Except the East.

Yeah that's important, Merlin.

nothing ≠ important, HTH.

Nothing=anything less than a ChampionshipHTH, Merlin

I have no idea why you are being such a #####. But you are doing it well so, yeah, keep it up.

 

[Mr. Know-It-All]

It is sad when the face of an organization - it's heart and soul - moves on later in the career. In Albert's case - it is mid-career but he did more than enough to warrant recognition as an all-time Cardinal great.

Gravey to the Padres, Cey to the Cubs, Griffey to the Reds, Hershiser to the Indians, Sax to the Yankees...okay, so I was kidding about Sax.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Despite what anyone says, I sympathize with Cardinals fans. Those fans are the big losers here despite the 2 WS championships Pujols helped bring to the city. It sucks when superstars leave like this.

Except LeBron won nothing...

Except the East.

Yeah that's important, Merlin.

nothing ≠ important, HTH.

Nothing=anything less than a ChampionshipHTH, Merlin

I have no idea why you are being such a #####. But you are doing it well so, yeah, keep it up.

Sorry. Since I live in DC I'm of course from Central American, and we need our early afternoon sugar.Also I hope the Angels will trade Maicer Izturis now.

 

[shake zula]

Despite what anyone says, I sympathize with Cardinals fans. Those fans are the big losers here despite the 2 WS championships Pujols helped bring to the city. It sucks when superstars leave like this.

Except LeBron won nothing...

Except the East.

Yeah that's important, Merlin.

nothing ≠ important, HTH.

Nothing=anything less than a ChampionshipHTH, Merlin

I have no idea why you are being such a #####. But you are doing it well so, yeah, keep it up.

Sorry. Since I live in DC I'm of course from Central American, and we need our early afternoon sugar.Also I hope the Angels will trade Maicer Izturis now.

There are a ton of Central American's in DC. If Mariano Rivera was looking to a make a move after his next contract expires I'm sure he'll consider the Nats.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Despite what anyone says, I sympathize with Cardinals fans. Those fans are the big losers here despite the 2 WS championships Pujols helped bring to the city. It sucks when superstars leave like this.

Except LeBron won nothing...

Except the East.

Yeah that's important, Merlin.

nothing ≠ important, HTH.

Nothing=anything less than a ChampionshipHTH, Merlin

I have no idea why you are being such a #####. But you are doing it well so, yeah, keep it up.

Sorry. Since I live in DC I'm of course from Central American, and we need our early afternoon sugar.Also I hope the Angels will trade Maicer Izturis now.

There are a ton of Central American's in DC. If Mariano Rivera was looking to a make a move after his next contract expires I'm sure he'll consider the Nats.

Sounds about right

 

[Wrigley]

Moreno paid $180 Million for the Angles in 2003

 

[curta269]

Sad to see Pujols leave, but 10 years and $250 million is just too much. He is too old to get be getting a contract that long, in my opinion.

For those that say he has been underpaid, he signed a $100 million deal after his 3rd season. The Cardinals didn't have to do that since they had 4 more years of control over him. Pujols didn't have to sign it if he didn't think it was enough.

This past offseason, Pujols and his agent told the Cardinals they expected at least the same deal as ARod got, 10 years and $275 million. With the Yankees and Red Sox not having a spot for him, they were smart to not outbid themselves. The Angles came out of nowhere, which was unexpected. $27 million a year for one guy is too much for the Cardinals to keep a competitive team on the field.

I feel fortunate enough to watch him play for 11 years for my favorite team. He is the best player I have seen in my lifetime. Hope he does well in LA.

 

[skillz]

So now that the Angels have signed Pujols and Wilson are they now the "dream team" of MLB a la the Eagles and Heat

 

[Oh Yes!]

all bout the money?

apparently the marlins offered 10/275

 

[shadyridr]

all bout the money? apparently the marlins offered 10/275

whered you read that?

 

[Oh Yes!]

all bout the money? apparently the marlins offered 10/275

whered you read that?

rotoworld blurb

Buster Olney of ESPN.com reports that Albert Pujols will earn $254 million over the life of his 10-year contract with the Angels.It will be the second-largest contract in MLB history behind Alex Rodriguez's current 10-year, $275 million deal with the Yankees. It comes in just north of A-Rod's previous 10-year, $252 million deal which was originally signed with Texas. According to Bob Nightengale of USA Today, the Marlins were actually the highest bidders for Pujols, checking in with a 10-year offer worth $275 million. However, he ultimately opted to go to Southern California. The Angels have confirmed the signing of Pujols, which is still pending the completion of a physical.

 

[shadyridr]

Cashmans reaction :

"He is obviously one of the greatest who has played," Cashman said of Pujols. "He makes everyone significantly better. If he played for anybody, he would make them all significantly better. I don't know him personally, but I see what he does with that and it is Montero-like.

 

[Smack Tripper]

Anatomy of a Hater: Stay Classy, Card Fans.

St. Louis fans are the best fans in baseball

 

[RnR]

Anatomy of a Hater: Stay Classy, Card Fans.

St. Louis fans are the best fans in baseball

 

[Doctor Detroit]

And now it LOOKS like they have acquired Andrew Bailey.Jesus did Gene Autry come back from the dead and jump on his deathbed?

Angels doing a Michael Corleone today.

So they didn't get Bailey????

 

[Daywalker]

Enough with the 10 years junk. He's getting the same per year as R. Howard.

7/210 would have been appropriate given the landscape. 10/250 is not insane given all the milestones he will achieve late in the contract. Likely 30-40mill dead money on the end of that deal. Cards had the best player in baseball for last 10 years winning two titles and they couldn't swallow that? Not to mention in 8-10 years salaries will likely have gone up a lot and while 25/per is a load likely not a franchise killer.

It's a huge deal don't get me wrong but everyone's focusing on the years. 25mill/per? So next 7 years at 175? That's a bargain for Pujols. Cards should have been the ones to swallow those last few years and pay that D. Jeter money for the milestones at the end of a HOF career.

Cards were lucky that the planets aligned and the Yanks and Boston were not in the bidding yet they still blew it. They cheaped out over 30-40mill on a deal that was already subdued by the market. So two years of M. Holliday is worth letting the icon of your franchise walk. Well done dolts.

 

[Premier]

Cards botched this really good. They could've offered him a deal less then this last year and it never gets this far. Shame on them. Very rarely do you get a franchise icon like this.

 

[Comer]

So now that the Angels have signed Pujols and Wilson are they now the "dream team" of MLB a la the Eagles and Heat

If the Tigers pull the Gio trade and get a leadoff hitter. I won't be all that worried about LAA

 

[RnR]

Cards botched this really good. They could've offered him a deal less then this last year and it never gets this far. Shame on them. Very rarely do you get a franchise icon like this.

Not sure how you see it this way. Pujols seemed pretty interested in testing the open market, if for no other reason than to see what he's worth.

 

[Daywalker]

I think Ravech was on yesterday saying that St Louis is better off long-term without Pujols, I tend to agree. That is just too much money for a smaller market team, even with St Louis' regional following.

In the end, you're right.Ooh, I see the Angels got CJ Wilson, too.

I understand the point, but there's no way the Cards are better off without Albert Pujols.

today no, tomorrow yes

Who knows what tomorrow brings. They put themselves in prime position to be a very competive team for at the least the next 3-4-5 years. Injuries aside they should have no problem winning that division and they now have a feared big bat in the middle of their line-up. Hell of a move for them IMO.

Unreal, Pujols really was just about the money

Me too

Give me a break. If yanks and boston in the market he would have gotten 8/240. Both teams probably kicking themselves and glad neither got him.

 

[Disco Stu]

I think this is a great deal for the Angels. Arte Moreno has done a good thing here. While in past years the LA market was locked up by the Dodgers, the recent journey into hell via the McCourts has really given the Angels a chance to get a foothold in the LA area. Add in the fact that Pujols is a hispanic player that will lure the hispanic fans in and I think it is a win-win for the Angels. While I agree that in the last 4 years of the deal the Angels will be losing money, in the first 6 the money they earn will more than make up for it. There is going to be an increase in jersey sales, season ticket sales are going to grow, attendance will grow and with all of that concessions and parking will grow. Add to that the increase in advertising costs the Angels are going to be able to ask for and the added of revenue of hopefully making and going deep into the playoffs. On the radio this morning I heard someone say that the number being thrown around for the increase in revenue because of the Pujols signing was between 500 million and a billion dollars. Even if those are pie in the sky numbers and he only nets them an extra 250 million, he pays for himself.Yeah, I think its a good signing.

Other than the Dodger angle, this sounds exactly like what Tom Hicks was thinking in 2000.

 

[scrumptrulescent]

Give me a break. If yanks and boston in the market he would have gotten 8/240. Both teams probably kicking themselves and glad neither got him.

Give me a break, mentioning those 2 teams is a waste of keyboarding. The Yankees are already old, they don't need to add another star on the wrong side of 30....er.....34. Plus they have enough bad contracts to worry about. And Boston can ignore their offense this offseason, but maybe should be players for some FA pitching....or trade for some pitching, because their pitching is going to blow. And their new manager is a total doosh.

 

[Daywalker]

Give me a break. If yanks and boston in the market he would have gotten 8/240. Both teams probably kicking themselves and glad neither got him.

Give me a break, mentioning those 2 teams is a waste of keyboarding. The Yankees are already old, they don't need to add another star on the wrong side of 30....er.....34. Plus they have enough bad contracts to worry about. And Boston can ignore their offense this offseason, but maybe should be players for some FA pitching....or trade for some pitching, because their pitching is going to blow. And their new manager is a total doosh.

My point is both teams would rather have Pujols at his salary then their current 1B. Not that they should have been in on the Pujols bidding. Although a case could be made for the Yanks. They are more of a TV network then a franchise. Why not get the #1 star?

 

[Daywalker]

I think this is a great deal for the Angels. Arte Moreno has done a good thing here. While in past years the LA market was locked up by the Dodgers, the recent journey into hell via the McCourts has really given the Angels a chance to get a foothold in the LA area. Add in the fact that Pujols is a hispanic player that will lure the hispanic fans in and I think it is a win-win for the Angels. While I agree that in the last 4 years of the deal the Angels will be losing money, in the first 6 the money they earn will more than make up for it. There is going to be an increase in jersey sales, season ticket sales are going to grow, attendance will grow and with all of that concessions and parking will grow. Add to that the increase in advertising costs the Angels are going to be able to ask for and the added of revenue of hopefully making and going deep into the playoffs. On the radio this morning I heard someone say that the number being thrown around for the increase in revenue because of the Pujols signing was between 500 million and a billion dollars. Even if those are pie in the sky numbers and he only nets them an extra 250 million, he pays for himself.Yeah, I think its a good signing.

Other than the Dodger angle, this sounds exactly like what Tom Hicks was thinking in 2000.

That and the Rangers and Angels are about 3x's more valuable then they were in 2000 making the Pujols contract much less of a gamble.

 

[TobiasFunke]

I think this is a great deal for the Angels. Arte Moreno has done a good thing here. While in past years the LA market was locked up by the Dodgers, the recent journey into hell via the McCourts has really given the Angels a chance to get a foothold in the LA area. Add in the fact that Pujols is a hispanic player that will lure the hispanic fans in and I think it is a win-win for the Angels. While I agree that in the last 4 years of the deal the Angels will be losing money, in the first 6 the money they earn will more than make up for it. There is going to be an increase in jersey sales, season ticket sales are going to grow, attendance will grow and with all of that concessions and parking will grow. Add to that the increase in advertising costs the Angels are going to be able to ask for and the added of revenue of hopefully making and going deep into the playoffs. On the radio this morning I heard someone say that the number being thrown around for the increase in revenue because of the Pujols signing was between 500 million and a billion dollars. Even if those are pie in the sky numbers and he only nets them an extra 250 million, he pays for himself.Yeah, I think its a good signing.

Other than the Dodger angle, this sounds exactly like what Tom Hicks was thinking in 2000.

That and the Rangers and Angels are about 3x's more valuable then they were in 2000 making the Pujols contract much less of a gamble.

Right. Of course, A-Rod was 25 to start the 2001 season. Pujols will be 32 to start the 2012 season. So, there's that. Not sure if that affects how much of a gamble it is, but it kinda seems like it might.

 

[proninja]

Wow, guess it was all about the money.

Wow, guess it was all about the money.

The guy had a wild hair up his #### about the Cards organization mistreating him for sometime. Sorry they only paid you $104 million in your career, you #####.

Wow, guess it was all about the money.

The Angels are a great organization that's committed to winning and in a great market. So, that's a little unfair to say.Pujols went to an equally good situation, for better money, and in a city/state that very well might be more desirable for him (it would be for alot of people).I have no idea how anyone could find fault with that.

He just went to the highest bidder. I won't hold it against him, but that's what happened.

Unreal, Pujols really was just about the money

All of you realize that he didn't take the highest offer on the table, right? I mean, of course you don't, because if you did know that you wouldn't make such ridiculous, provably false statetments, right? Right?

 

[TobiasFunke]

Give me a break. If yanks and boston in the market he would have gotten 8/240. Both teams probably kicking themselves and glad neither got him.

Give me a break, mentioning those 2 teams is a waste of keyboarding. The Yankees are already old, they don't need to add another star on the wrong side of 30....er.....34. Plus they have enough bad contracts to worry about. And Boston can ignore their offense this offseason, but maybe should be players for some FA pitching....or trade for some pitching, because their pitching is going to blow. And their new manager is a total doosh.

My point is both teams would rather have Pujols at his salary then their current 1B

. Not that they should have been in on the Pujols bidding. Although a case could be made for the Yanks. They are more of a TV network then a franchise. Why not get the #1 star?

Are you kidding?Gonzalez had a WAR 1.5 higher than Pujols in 2011, he'll be 29 to start the 2012 season as compared to 32, he's signed for $4 million less annually and the contract expires when he's 36 (Pujols' goes through age 41).

Teixiera had a WAR about a win lower than Pujols in 2011, he's the same age as Pujols (maybe), he's signed for $3 million less annually and the contract expires when he's 36.

Neither Teixiera or Gonzalez has been to the DL in many years. Their teams don't need marketing help. If for some reason either team was masochistic and wanted to extend their 1B through age 41 they could do so at a significant discount from their current contract AAV right now.

There is not a chance in a world either team would trade their 1B for Pujols straight up. If he was offered the Red Sox would laugh the Angels out of the room. The Yankees might not, but that's only because they really don't care about money the way everyone else has to.

 

[Wrigley]

I think this is a great deal for the Angels. Arte Moreno has done a good thing here. While in past years the LA market was locked up by the Dodgers, the recent journey into hell via the McCourts has really given the Angels a chance to get a foothold in the LA area. Add in the fact that Pujols is a hispanic player that will lure the hispanic fans in and I think it is a win-win for the Angels. While I agree that in the last 4 years of the deal the Angels will be losing money, in the first 6 the money they earn will more than make up for it. There is going to be an increase in jersey sales, season ticket sales are going to grow, attendance will grow and with all of that concessions and parking will grow. Add to that the increase in advertising costs the Angels are going to be able to ask for and the added of revenue of hopefully making and going deep into the playoffs. On the radio this morning I heard someone say that the number being thrown around for the increase in revenue because of the Pujols signing was between 500 million and a billion dollars. Even if those are pie in the sky numbers and he only nets them an extra 250 million, he pays for himself.Yeah, I think its a good signing.

Other than the Dodger angle, this sounds exactly like what Tom Hicks was thinking in 2000.

That and the Rangers and Angels are about 3x's more valuable then they were in 2000 making the Pujols contract much less of a gamble.

Guy is paying Pujols more than he paid for the franchise just 8 years ago.

 

[Daywalker]

Give me a break. If yanks and boston in the market he would have gotten 8/240. Both teams probably kicking themselves and glad neither got him.

Give me a break, mentioning those 2 teams is a waste of keyboarding. The Yankees are already old, they don't need to add another star on the wrong side of 30....er.....34. Plus they have enough bad contracts to worry about. And Boston can ignore their offense this offseason, but maybe should be players for some FA pitching....or trade for some pitching, because their pitching is going to blow. And their new manager is a total doosh.

My point is both teams would rather have Pujols at his salary then their current 1B

. Not that they should have been in on the Pujols bidding. Although a case could be made for the Yanks. They are more of a TV network then a franchise. Why not get the #1 star?

Are you kidding?Gonzalez had a WAR 1.5 higher than Pujols in 2011, he'll be 29 to start the 2012 season as compared to 32, he's signed for $4 million less annually and the contract expires when he's 36 (Pujols' goes through age 41).

Teixiera had a WAR about a win lower than Pujols in 2011, he's the same age as Pujols (maybe), he's signed for $3 million less annually and the contract expires when he's 36.

Neither Teixiera or Gonzalez has been to the DL in many years. Their teams don't need marketing help. If for some reason either team was masochistic and wanted to extend their 1B through age 41 they could do so at a significant discount from their current contract AAV right now.

There is not a chance in a world either team would trade their 1B for Pujols straight up. If he was offered the Red Sox would laugh the Angels out of the room. The Yankees might not, but that's only because they really don't care about money the way everyone else has to.

I just don't agree that Gonzalez and Texeira are the impact hitters that Pujols is. Take into account Pujols post-season prowess and I don't think it's close. He's even more valuable to teams like the Yanks/Bosox who normally make the playoffs every year.

 

[shuke]

Man, reading Pujols' page on facebook is hours of entertainment.

 

[shadyridr]

Give me a break. If yanks and boston in the market he would have gotten 8/240. Both teams probably kicking themselves and glad neither got him.

Give me a break, mentioning those 2 teams is a waste of keyboarding. The Yankees are already old, they don't need to add another star on the wrong side of 30....er.....34. Plus they have enough bad contracts to worry about. And Boston can ignore their offense this offseason, but maybe should be players for some FA pitching....or trade for some pitching, because their pitching is going to blow. And their new manager is a total doosh.

My point is both teams would rather have Pujols at his salary then their current 1B

. Not that they should have been in on the Pujols bidding. Although a case could be made for the Yanks. They are more of a TV network then a franchise. Why not get the #1 star?

Are you kidding?Gonzalez had a WAR 1.5 higher than Pujols in 2011, he'll be 29 to start the 2012 season as compared to 32, he's signed for $4 million less annually and the contract expires when he's 36 (Pujols' goes through age 41).

Teixiera had a WAR about a win lower than Pujols in 2011, he's the same age as Pujols (maybe), he's signed for $3 million less annually and the contract expires when he's 36.

Neither Teixiera or Gonzalez has been to the DL in many years. Their teams don't need marketing help. If for some reason either team was masochistic and wanted to extend their 1B through age 41 they could do so at a significant discount from their current contract AAV right now.

There is not a chance in a world either team would trade their 1B for Pujols straight up. If he was offered the Red Sox would laugh the Angels out of the room. The Yankees might not, but that's only because they really don't care about money the way everyone else has to.

id take pujols at his current contract over tex in a heartbeat. have you SEEN tex hit in the playoffs?

 

[shadyridr]

Give me a break. If yanks and boston in the market he would have gotten 8/240. Both teams probably kicking themselves and glad neither got him.

Give me a break, mentioning those 2 teams is a waste of keyboarding. The Yankees are already old, they don't need to add another star on the wrong side of 30....er.....34. Plus they have enough bad contracts to worry about. And Boston can ignore their offense this offseason, but maybe should be players for some FA pitching....or trade for some pitching, because their pitching is going to blow. And their new manager is a total doosh.

My point is both teams would rather have Pujols at his salary then their current 1B

. Not that they should have been in on the Pujols bidding. Although a case could be made for the Yanks. They are more of a TV network then a franchise. Why not get the #1 star?

Are you kidding?Gonzalez had a WAR 1.5 higher than Pujols in 2011, he'll be 29 to start the 2012 season as compared to 32, he's signed for $4 million less annually and the contract expires when he's 36 (Pujols' goes through age 41).

Teixiera had a WAR about a win lower than Pujols in 2011, he's the same age as Pujols (maybe), he's signed for $3 million less annually and the contract expires when he's 36.

Neither Teixiera or Gonzalez has been to the DL in many years. Their teams don't need marketing help. If for some reason either team was masochistic and wanted to extend their 1B through age 41 they could do so at a significant discount from their current contract AAV right now.

There is not a chance in a world either team would trade their 1B for Pujols straight up. If he was offered the Red Sox would laugh the Angels out of the room. The Yankees might not, but that's only because they really don't care about money the way everyone else has to.

I just don't agree that Gonzalez and Texeira are the impact hitters that Pujols is. Take into account Pujols post-season prowess and I don't think it's close. He's even more valuable to teams like the Yanks/Bosox who normally make the playoffs every year.

thinking the sox or yanks wouldnt take pujols over their 1b is laughable

 

[Daywalker]

Wonder if the Angels could dump Abreau's salary if they trade him and Morales to Oakland for Bailey.

Seems like a deal Oakland would be interested in.

 

[Dr. Awesome]

Wonder if the Angels could dump Abreau's salary if they trade him and Morales to Oakland for Bailey.Seems like a deal Oakland would be interested in.

Abreu? The guy who is clearly at the end of his road and who hit 253 last year? No thanks. And you want Oakland to take his salary? Morales is going to be an interesting guy for any team.ETA - Abreu is locked up through next year at 9 million.

 

[Oh Yes!]

Wonder if the Angels could dump Abreau's salary if they trade him and Morales to Oakland for Bailey.Seems like a deal Oakland would be interested in.

How many years does Abreu have left? The cubs do this for Marmol ?

 

[sports_fan]

Wow, guess it was all about the money.

Wow, guess it was all about the money.

The guy had a wild hair up his #### about the Cards organization mistreating him for sometime. Sorry they only paid you $104 million in your career, you #####.

Wow, guess it was all about the money.

The Angels are a great organization that's committed to winning and in a great market. So, that's a little unfair to say.Pujols went to an equally good situation, for better money, and in a city/state that very well might be more desirable for him (it would be for alot of people).I have no idea how anyone could find fault with that.

He just went to the highest bidder. I won't hold it against him, but that's what happened.

Unreal, Pujols really was just about the money

All of you realize that he didn't take the highest offer on the table, right? I mean, of course you don't, because if you did know that you wouldn't make such ridiculous, provably false statetments, right? Right?

Or maybe we posted before details of the Marlins $275 offer came out. I didn't hear about that offer until after he had already signed with teh Angels.

 

[Daywalker]

Wonder if the Angels could dump Abreau's salary if they trade him and Morales to Oakland for Bailey.Seems like a deal Oakland would be interested in.

Abreu? The guy who is clearly at the end of his road and who hit 253 last year? No thanks. And you want Oakland to take his salary? Morales is going to be an interesting guy for any team.ETA - Abreu is locked up through next year at 9 million.

Oakland takes his salary in order to get Morales. That's the point. Both of those players will cost a total of 12mill next season. Not exactly out of Oakland's ballpark. Perhaps they could get rid of Abreau or get the Angels to chip in 2-3mill. Angels need a closer and Morales is exactly the type of guy Beane seems to be targeting this offeason.