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QB Carson Wentz, MIN (1 Viewer)
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zamboni
Footballguy
He also hammered the Steelers. They're not exactly the Steel Curtain of old, but still no slouch of a defense either.
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Might depend on the league too. IN some scoring systems QB values just aren't all that special relative to RBs or WRs. (IE: the #5 QB is no more valuable than the 15th or 20th WR)
IN a six point passing TD league though, I could certainly see holding onto Wentz
Ketamine Dreams
Footballguy
Disclaimer: I'm a dynasty owner
His value in dynasty has leapt from a low QB #2 to a top 5-7 in a matter of a month. Others probably won't value him as highly as current owners do, but if you can get top dollar for him now I'd certainly consider it. Otherwise I'd keep him and enjoy the points. We play 6pt all TDs, so as stated above his value is even slightly more. I personally think he's a top 5 guy over Bortles, Rodgers, Ben, and Mariota.
His value in dynasty has leapt from a low QB #2 to a top 5-7 in a matter of a month. Others probably won't value him as highly as current owners do, but if you can get top dollar for him now I'd certainly consider it. Otherwise I'd keep him and enjoy the points. We play 6pt all TDs, so as stated above his value is even slightly more. I personally think he's a top 5 guy over Bortles, Rodgers, Ben, and Mariota.
Snotbubbles
Footballguy
What's really impressive is he hasn't had any bad throws. Even when Foles went 29-2 he had so many bad passes that should have been picked. Wentz is right on the money with almost every single throw. There hasn't been one "whoa, he got away with one there" moment.
BigTex
Don't mess with Texas
I agree with this 100%! The same for Dak and any other Rookie QB. Wait til week 5 or 6 when teams have enough film. Yes all theses guys look really good and that can't be taken away from them. They are definitely a special talent let's see how the rest of the season shapes out. If you are going to sell, sell NOW!
Tex
Team Smokin'
Footballguy
Considering starting Wenz this week with Newton looking more and more like an inactive. Did I hear the Eagles may script more run plays for Wenz too?
Team Smokin'
Footballguy
Okay, does anyone have more insight into Wenz rushing more than 2-4 times for 10-15 yards? Reason being is our league gives extra points for # of rushes. QB's who run the ball well have value. Perhaps the Eagles are giving the rookie more options and opening things up?
They don't want him taking unnecessary shots so I would not rely on him running. Sure he will take off but he will slide or run out of bounds. At least that is what they want. This is not a guy you want taking shots.
Correct. It will be more to keep defenses off-ballance/catch them with their pants down. Maybe two designed running plays a game at an absolute max.
Wentz is always looking downfield for his playmakers. Running is a last resort. On the 70 yd TD pass to sproles he had room to run but was very cognizant to run parallel to the LOS and let the recievers get open.
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Praise for Carson Wentz's performance at the Reese's Senior Bowl as a top quarterback prospect was prevalent, but it wasn't unanimous. The former North Dakota State star will still have some doubters entering the NFL Scouting Combine in Indianapolis later this month.
Two of them, both NFL personnel executives, spoke to NFL Media analyst Lance Zierlein.
"One said 'Boy, that North Dakota State kid is way overrated.' And the other one texted me and said 'After watching him for a full week, there is no way I would draft Carson Wentz in the first round,'" Zierlein said on The Pick Is In podcast. "Now, by most media accounts, the draft media, Carson Wentz did just fine. A lot of people called him a winner of draft day. Depends on what you're looking for. But that's an example of how people can see these prospects very, very differently."
Gotta be the Browns and the 49ers. Somehow these guys are probably still are employed.
Two of them, both NFL personnel executives, spoke to NFL Media analyst Lance Zierlein.
"One said 'Boy, that North Dakota State kid is way overrated.' And the other one texted me and said 'After watching him for a full week, there is no way I would draft Carson Wentz in the first round,'" Zierlein said on The Pick Is In podcast. "Now, by most media accounts, the draft media, Carson Wentz did just fine. A lot of people called him a winner of draft day. Depends on what you're looking for. But that's an example of how people can see these prospects very, very differently."
Gotta be the Browns and the 49ers. Somehow these guys are probably still are employed.
BigTex
Don't mess with Texas
It was draft time, it was likely two people who wanted his draft stock to drop so they could have an opportunity take him.Praise for Carson Wentz's performance at the Reese's Senior Bowl as a top quarterback prospect was prevalent, but it wasn't unanimous. The former North Dakota State star will still have some doubters entering the NFL Scouting Combine in Indianapolis later this month.
Two of them, both NFL personnel executives, spoke to NFL Media analyst Lance Zierlein.
"One said 'Boy, that North Dakota State kid is way overrated.' And the other one texted me and said 'After watching him for a full week, there is no way I would draft Carson Wentz in the first round,'" Zierlein said on The Pick Is In podcast. "Now, by most media accounts, the draft media, Carson Wentz did just fine. A lot of people called him a winner of draft day. Depends on what you're looking for. But that's an example of how people can see these prospects very, very differently."
Tex
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
He is good....no doubt. But the staff is doing a great job of game planning. Sprouls is also a huge asset that he relies on greatly. There will be growing pains but he looks like a keeper.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
Doctor Detroit
Please remove your headgear
Prescott gets all the hype, Wentz is better IMO. Maybe a lot better.
need2know
Footballguy
Ted Lange as your Bartender
Footballguy
Get this guy some better receivers please
need2know
Footballguy
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/theres-something-wrong-with-carson-wentzs-throwing-style-and-much-of-nfl-has-caught-on-011427565.html
There's something wrong with Carson Wentz's throwing style and NFL teams are catching on
... the common theme in the assessments of multiple NFL personnel evaluators who say Wentz is exhibiting some of the mechanical flaws that he illustrated prior to the NFL draft. And evaluators say they are manifesting in accuracy issues and the length of time it takes for Wentz to deliver the ball after making a decision.
...it’s leading to some accuracy issues and mistakes. Two issues in particular are sticking out to those who have viewed the rookie quarterback: a long-armed looping windup that needs to be more compact; and an awkward arm position in the middle of his throwing motion that is slowing down his delivery.
One NFC East source likened Wentz’s arm positioning to something from a baseball pitcher. Another evaluator said the rookie displayed “bountiful bad arm angles” during his throwing motion.
“[The] ball is dropped down, turned out, then looped back around,” one evaluator said. “With his long arms and that motion, [it’s] very hard to be accurate. Especially on the move. … [The] inability to get the ball out quick and on time is key.”
There's something wrong with Carson Wentz's throwing style and NFL teams are catching on
... the common theme in the assessments of multiple NFL personnel evaluators who say Wentz is exhibiting some of the mechanical flaws that he illustrated prior to the NFL draft. And evaluators say they are manifesting in accuracy issues and the length of time it takes for Wentz to deliver the ball after making a decision.
...it’s leading to some accuracy issues and mistakes. Two issues in particular are sticking out to those who have viewed the rookie quarterback: a long-armed looping windup that needs to be more compact; and an awkward arm position in the middle of his throwing motion that is slowing down his delivery.
One NFC East source likened Wentz’s arm positioning to something from a baseball pitcher. Another evaluator said the rookie displayed “bountiful bad arm angles” during his throwing motion.
“[The] ball is dropped down, turned out, then looped back around,” one evaluator said. “With his long arms and that motion, [it’s] very hard to be accurate. Especially on the move. … [The] inability to get the ball out quick and on time is key.”
Rodrigo Duterte
Footballguy
Dorial was targeted a whopping 10 times but only caught 4 balls. How many were drops? And any red zone targets?
As far as I remember DGB only had one ball you could classify as a drop. Wentz airmailed him on 3-4 separate occasions, including twice on passes of maybe 10 yards. Do you know how hard it is to airmail a guy with DGB's wingspan at 10 yards? And I don't think any WR got a single RZ target yesterday - every time Wentz dropped back inside the CIN 20, I, my buddies, and everyone in Paul Brown Stadium seemed to know the ball was going either to a RB out of the backfield or to Ertz.
No real way to sugarcoat yesterday's performance, other than he's a rookie and even future HOFers throw up these sorts of craptastic performances once in a while as rookies. Swallow the medicine and let's move on to next Sunday.
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Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/12/07/frank-reich-on-carson-wentz-losing-wears-on-you/
...Eagles quarterback Carson Wentz’s rookie season got off to a fast start as he played very well in three wins to open the year and raise expectations for what the Eagles might be able to do during the 2016 season.
The last nine games haven’t gone nearly as well. The Eagles have lost seven of those games, knocking them out of the playoff picture, and Wentz’s play has tailed off along with it. He’s thrown eight interceptions in the last five games after throwing three in the first seven contests, his completion percentage has dropped and the Eagles haven’t scored more than 15 points in any of their last three games.
On Tuesday, offensive coordinator Frank Reich said he believes the downturn has gotten to Wentz. Reich said that the “most confident quarterbacks in the world lose their confidence and get battered” at times, something he suggested has happened to Wentz while adding that he thinks Wentz will rebound.
“Well, for a while I thought he seemed totally unflappable,” Reich said at his press conference. “Now, in some of the more recent losses, do you sense that this is, ‘Okay, he’s feeling this one, he’s feeling this one?’ Yeah, we’re all feeling it. I think he was that young, naïve — in a good sense — but still very mature guy who came in and it was like, ‘Nothing is going to get this guy down.’ But it wears on you. It wears on you.
...Eagles quarterback Carson Wentz’s rookie season got off to a fast start as he played very well in three wins to open the year and raise expectations for what the Eagles might be able to do during the 2016 season.
The last nine games haven’t gone nearly as well. The Eagles have lost seven of those games, knocking them out of the playoff picture, and Wentz’s play has tailed off along with it. He’s thrown eight interceptions in the last five games after throwing three in the first seven contests, his completion percentage has dropped and the Eagles haven’t scored more than 15 points in any of their last three games.
On Tuesday, offensive coordinator Frank Reich said he believes the downturn has gotten to Wentz. Reich said that the “most confident quarterbacks in the world lose their confidence and get battered” at times, something he suggested has happened to Wentz while adding that he thinks Wentz will rebound.
“Well, for a while I thought he seemed totally unflappable,” Reich said at his press conference. “Now, in some of the more recent losses, do you sense that this is, ‘Okay, he’s feeling this one, he’s feeling this one?’ Yeah, we’re all feeling it. I think he was that young, naïve — in a good sense — but still very mature guy who came in and it was like, ‘Nothing is going to get this guy down.’ But it wears on you. It wears on you.
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
He'll have 8 months to work on the mechanics issues. Seeing how he is I trust that he'll do everything he can to get better. Now just have to hope they add some weapons around him in the off-season. A Jeffery signing and a WR in round 1 (Williams maybe?) would help him out a ton.
Insein
Footballguy
I think the mostly former QB staff took umbrage that they couldn't help Carson fix his mechanics in OTAs and Camp. I think it's good Carson didn't wait that long and got it taken care of. The NFL CBA doesn't allow a lot of time to work on mechanics. Good to see Carson take it upon himself to improve.
I make it a point to never, ever read ALL-CAPS links because they're invariably misleading clickbait.
I made an exception here because it's my Birds, and sure enough, here's the complete extent of Pederson's actual words:
Not only was there not one mention of Carson feeling too much was asked of him, there wasn't a single word in the entire article that Pederson actually attributes to Wentz. In other words, it's 100% misleading clickbait. Shocker!
Internet sports headline writers need to be rounded up and thrown into a dungeon.
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
I'm really not sure about this. Doug and Reich seemed to feel very confident and comfortable with him throwing a ton last season with awful weapons, 2nd and 3rd string OL and just a week to prepare as a starter last season.
This year reminds me of what Andy did after getting T.O.. He threw a good bit with McNabb and the weapons were bad....they finally have some now and I just don't see him scaling it back.
Chaka
Footballguy
Pederson and Reich may be open to changing their philosophy on passing a ton considering how poorly Wentz performed during his last 12 games.
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
Only if they feel he's the same player. By all accounts he's been very much improved, as has the OL and weapons. I'm not saying it's a sure thing but if he topped 600 attempts again I wouldn't be shocked
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
4-4 56 yards and a TD in his only drive.
https://www.google.com/amp/www.csnphilly.com/the700level/watch-carson-wentz-avoids-sack-tosses-td-mack-hollins%3famp
https://www.google.com/amp/www.csnphilly.com/the700level/watch-carson-wentz-avoids-sack-tosses-td-mack-hollins%3famp
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
Carson Wentz total numbers: 16 of 23 for 241 yds, 3 TDs, 1 INT, 125.2 RAT, 3 sacks.
That was in roughly 2 quarters of pre-season action, maybe less.
That was in roughly 2 quarters of pre-season action, maybe less.
Insein
Footballguy
What Doug is cryptically getting to there is that he knows he asked Carson to throw the ball waaaaaay too much last year. But it was out of necessity. The RBs sucked and the oline was lost without Lane. Hopefully Doug learns from that but anyone expect a ground and pound offense all of a sudden is fooling themselves. Eagles will still be a predominantly passing offense. I just hope the balance gets closer to 65-35 this year rather than 80-20.
Chaka
Footballguy
It's tough to tell with such a young player but I am bearish on Wentz as a fantasy QB. After the first four weeks when he took the league by storm, he came crashing down to Earth in a big way R.O.S. I anticipate he will improve as a QB and a leader but my baseline for judging him is based upon his last 12 games not his first four. So, yes I think he'll be better but I don't think he makes a jump into most top 12 QBs. Yes, I know some of you have scoring systems where Wentz finished top 12 but for most of us he was a bottom third QB.
In my league he was QB 26 in total points and QB 28 in PPG (Matt Moore and Siemian both jumped above Wentz in PPG output). I think QB 16 (total points) is a reasonable upside prediction for Wentz but QB 20 feels just as realistic. On a PPG basis I think he'll fall a couple spots from his total points finish.
In my league he was QB 26 in total points and QB 28 in PPG (Matt Moore and Siemian both jumped above Wentz in PPG output). I think QB 16 (total points) is a reasonable upside prediction for Wentz but QB 20 feels just as realistic. On a PPG basis I think he'll fall a couple spots from his total points finish.
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