fred_1_15301
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Is he fantasy relevant without Wilson?
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QB Justin Fields, NYJ (4 Viewers)
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Chemical X
Footballguy
i couldn’t believe it……especially since they were 0-5. glenn explained the thought process and he had no confidence that the offense could gain 1 yard and he had no confidence that the defense could stop denver from scoring, with less than 30 seconds left on the clock. right now, just keep losing and select the wrong qb.
SeniorVBDStudent
Footballguy
I don't even like the Jets and I'm mad at Jets ownership.
@RichCimini
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22h
A lot of stats being thrown around on Justin Fields, but here's one that I think illustrates the issue:
He was pressured on 16 of 29 dropbacks. On the 16 pressure plays, he ATTEMPED only 4 passes (completed one for -1). This shows a QB who's not pulling the trigger. Is he being coached to eat the ball and not risk INTs? I don't know the answer to that. Fields has yet to throw an INT, but what good is that if you can't score?
btw, the sack rate (9 sacks, 29 dropbacks) was the highest in any NFL game since 2018, per
@NextGenStats
. #Jets
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22h
A lot of stats being thrown around on Justin Fields, but here's one that I think illustrates the issue:
He was pressured on 16 of 29 dropbacks. On the 16 pressure plays, he ATTEMPED only 4 passes (completed one for -1). This shows a QB who's not pulling the trigger. Is he being coached to eat the ball and not risk INTs? I don't know the answer to that. Fields has yet to throw an INT, but what good is that if you can't score?
btw, the sack rate (9 sacks, 29 dropbacks) was the highest in any NFL game since 2018, per
@NextGenStats
. #Jets
@Connor_J_Hughes
There are truths in the NFL. Among them: You can’t fool players. They put their trust in their coaches putting them in the best position to win. A death knell: When they question if that’s happening.
Several within the locker room have told SNY, at varying points beginning in training camp, they believe Taylor is their best quarterback. Because Fields is undeniably a better athlete and can do much more as a runner, the sentiment was that would lead to wins. They could accomplish more because Fields could (conceivably) do more.
But the Jets are not winning. They’re the only team in the NFL who hasn’t this year. Their offense has been a disaster in large part because of Fields' inability to traditionally play the position. The Jets are the first team to start 0-6 while averaging less than 150 net yards passing per game (144.2) since David Carr and the Texans did it in 2005 (87.2). The Broncos defense held the Jets to zero explosive plays, the first time an offense has gone without an explosive play in a game since Week 11, 2021 (Texans vs. Titans).
Glenn cannot continue to blindly trust Fields if a growing portion of the locker room doesn’t believe he gives them the best chance to win.
There are truths in the NFL. Among them: You can’t fool players. They put their trust in their coaches putting them in the best position to win. A death knell: When they question if that’s happening.
Several within the locker room have told SNY, at varying points beginning in training camp, they believe Taylor is their best quarterback. Because Fields is undeniably a better athlete and can do much more as a runner, the sentiment was that would lead to wins. They could accomplish more because Fields could (conceivably) do more.
But the Jets are not winning. They’re the only team in the NFL who hasn’t this year. Their offense has been a disaster in large part because of Fields' inability to traditionally play the position. The Jets are the first team to start 0-6 while averaging less than 150 net yards passing per game (144.2) since David Carr and the Texans did it in 2005 (87.2). The Broncos defense held the Jets to zero explosive plays, the first time an offense has gone without an explosive play in a game since Week 11, 2021 (Texans vs. Titans).
Glenn cannot continue to blindly trust Fields if a growing portion of the locker room doesn’t believe he gives them the best chance to win.
fred_1_15301
Footballguy
If they’re not going to let him throw, why don’t they just tell him to take off immediately. Adjust that plan if/when the defense adjusts? No reason for him to take all those sacks. Alternatively just bench him.
wlwiles
Footballguy
They don't want him to throw, and they don't want him to run. WTF is he doing out there then?
Not poking at either of you guys, I'm genuinely wondering if Aaron Glenn has any clue what he's doing as HC. Because I've thought each of the above sentiments was true at different points this season.
dkp993
Footballguy
It’s absolutely undeniable at this point that they are emphatically stressing no turnovers. (as clearly shown by cutting the punt returner after one fumble in the first game). This has created an incredibly conservative Fields as he’s obviously scared to death to turn the ball over and get benched. This is also slowing down his already slow processing skill set. All of this makes sense based on the players they have and the type of football AC wants to play (not saying I agree, just that it lines up). But what doesn’t make sense is why the F they aren’t calling any designed runs for him then. There was only one maybe two of those in the Denver game. If you were gonna scare him stiff about throwing an int and lean on the running game. Then LET HIM RUN!
Marauder
Footballguy
It just seems like a bad situation all around. Glenn appears to be in way over his head as a HC, but he's also a defensive guy. He should have realized he needed to bring in an experienced offensive coordinator. No offense to Engstrand but I'm pretty sure he has never called plays before in the NFL. Both he and Glenn are learning on the job and Fields is not getting the coaching he needs.
Kiddnets
Footballguy
Saleh did the same thing - I dont get it. Experienced OC makes much more sense for a 1st time DCHC
I don't know what to do with Fields.
Benched him last week and started D. Jones.
The idea was to use Fields weeks 7-8. Now Wilson is out.
I can't decide if I want off the Jets completely.
But don't want anyone else to pickup Fields for later on cause their schedule is great ROS.
Benched him last week and started D. Jones.
The idea was to use Fields weeks 7-8. Now Wilson is out.
I can't decide if I want off the Jets completely.
But don't want anyone else to pickup Fields for later on cause their schedule is great ROS.
FarFromHome
Footballguy
Starting Fields with confidence. In that league, Im 2-4 and have really been an embarrassment to my fans that support me. Let's ride!!!
Jewell
Footballguy
C’mon, nobody starts Justin Fields with confidence. You start him, if necessary, and hope for the best.
the moops
Footballguy
Week 1 QB #2
Week 2 gets hurt
Week 3 misses game
Week 4 QB #4
Week 5 QB #7
Week 6 QB #30
FarFromHome
Footballguy
To my fans in regards to me starting him with confidence, I was joking. He's coming off a 45 yards passing game. That's bad.
I’ll admit that he’s put up some nice stats during the weeks he ranked 2,4, and 7. Having said that I still don’t know anyone out there that started JF “with confidence”.
rockaction
Footballguy
After nearly three quarters with a QBR of 0.9. That’s three quarters of football with a score that is a fraction of 1 out of a scale of 100.
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I mean, maybe Wilson being out is actually a good thing for Fields. The Jets don’t have a gamebreaker in the passing game that they should be feeding (sans Wilson). So, you’d hope the coaching staff would stop pretending like Fields can actually play QB and just let him run wild. Might as well turn back the clock to ‘22
They think Reynolds and GB guy are goodI mean, maybe Wilson being out is actually a good thing for Fields. The Jets don’t have a gamebreaker in the passing game that they should be feeding (sans Wilson). So, you’d hope the coaching staff would stop pretending like Fields can actually play QB and just let him run wild. Might as well turn back the clock to ‘22
TwinTurbo
Footballguy
I am still in board if the matchup is right. Broncos are the #1 defense right now. But if he doesn't turn it around vs Carolina, I am jumping off the train.
TwinTurbo
Footballguy
This. Carolina also dead last in sacks. This matchup is not Denver during an early game in London. It's against the worst defense for putting pressure on the QB.
FarFromHome
Footballguy
The risk with Fields is that most owners can live with a 15 pt bad week from a qb, but it's those 2 games he has had of 5 pts or less that sting. It's hard to get this taste out of your mouth.
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FairWarning
Footballguy
It seems like he’s not looking to run as much, and no G Wilson.
FairWarning
Footballguy
This, his floor is the lowest in the league. His 1H production is off the charts bad.
rockaction
Footballguy
Have you considered that the team might openly rebel at halftime if he has a bad one and isn’t yanked?
Or that the coach might miraculously have an epiphany and just think, “no coach with self-respect allows this to continue when there are players who give everything and fans that care deeply that we at least don’t look like Mouseketeers” and then proceed to yank him after one quarter?
It could happen. Dude has been at 2.7 FP through a bunch of the third against Buffalo and I don’t have a clue about Denver (31 yards rushing and 45 passing? Are you ****ing kidding me?!) but damn if there isn’t a city ready to bench him and sack the coach.
I’d hate losing my FF game that way. It’s a hell of a floor the young man has now.
FarFromHome
Footballguy
I have, but my brain is huge. In all honesty, I own one share, and doubt very much I start him. Like you said, although maybe a small percentage, he literally could be benched after a half. Yuck
Jewell
Footballguy
There was a report yesterday that several Jets players think Tyrod Taylor gives the Jets a better chance of winning, and they’ve felt that way since camp.
“Several within the locker room have told SNY, at varying points beginning in training camp, they believe Taylor is their best quarterback,”
Report: Multiple NY Jets Players Wanted Tyrod Taylor Over Justin Fields
NY Jets head coach Aaron Glenn is under pressure after SNY report indicates players wanted Tyrod Taylor over Justin Fields at quarterback.
www.ganggreennation.com
the moops
Footballguy
I callThere was a report yesterday that several Jets players think Tyrod Taylor gives the Jets a better chance of winning, and they’ve felt that way since camp.
“Several within the locker room have told SNY, at varying points beginning in training camp, they believe Taylor is their best quarterback,”
Report: Multiple NY Jets Players Wanted Tyrod Taylor Over Justin Fields
NY Jets head coach Aaron Glenn is under pressure after SNY report indicates players wanted Tyrod Taylor over Justin Fields at quarterback.
on this reporting
Jewell
Footballguy
It could certainly be BS that several Jets players openly voiced to the media that they think Taylor gives them a better chance of winning than Fields, but at 0-6 I guarantee that least some Jets are thinking it.I callThere was a report yesterday that several Jets players think Tyrod Taylor gives the Jets a better chance of winning, and they’ve felt that way since camp.
“Several within the locker room have told SNY, at varying points beginning in training camp, they believe Taylor is their best quarterback,”
Report: Multiple NY Jets Players Wanted Tyrod Taylor Over Justin Fields
NY Jets head coach Aaron Glenn is under pressure after SNY report indicates players wanted Tyrod Taylor over Justin Fields at quarterback.
rockaction
Footballguy
I callThere was a report yesterday that several Jets players think Tyrod Taylor gives the Jets a better chance of winning, and they’ve felt that way since camp.
“Several within the locker room have told SNY, at varying points beginning in training camp, they believe Taylor is their best quarterback,”
Report: Multiple NY Jets Players Wanted Tyrod Taylor Over Justin Fields
NY Jets head coach Aaron Glenn is under pressure after SNY report indicates players wanted Tyrod Taylor over Justin Fields at quarterback.
They’re most likely not the last brick in the wall of bedrock journalism ethics and practices but they’re likely not making stuff up.
I find it much harder to believe the converse of this story given the reports from camp by former players and beat reporters that were weirdly covering camp and Aaron Glenn.
They like Glenn and I can’t think of a reporter besides Manish (does he even cover them anymore?) that wants to see them do poorly and get given over to dissension. Rosenblatt, Cimini, Hughes, etc. are all reasonably young (Cimini is a bit older) and don’t want the role of adversary. They want the team to be good and pretty much roll into work to ask a few questions for publication and then go party with the players. This isn’t Dan Shaughnessy and the ‘88 Red Sox.
I know you’re kidding, by the way. This team is giving my word processor fits. Fin.
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rockaction
Footballguy
I honestly was responding to TwinTurbo. I can tell you take this seriously, and while you may have fantasy football totally in perspective it still sucks when the 10/1 EDT time slot is only one hour in and your FF team has already lost because some guy just will not throw the ball and is getting avalanche sacked to the tune of a concussion or benching.
No fun.
TwinTurbo
Footballguy
If it makes you feel any better, I have Justin Fields in a TD only league that also deducts points for sacks and turnovers. He scored -9 against Denver. I didn't start him due to the bad matchup but will definitely start him vs Carolina.
In real life, he is not a franchise QB. Neither is Tyrod. But in fantasy, Fields is still a top 5 upside option against any plus matchup. Even in the game Carolina won 30-0 against Atlanta, they had zero sacks. This is the type of defense that does not perform well against a mobile QB. Jets are also somehow favorites this week for whatever that is worth.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Grahamburn
Footballguy
Grahamburn
Footballguy
Denver defense is really good at limiting running quarterbacks from actually running. Obviously the passing numbers were gross. I am still starting him with confidence
Daniel Jones 2 yards
Justin Hebert 6 yards
Jalen Hurts 3 yards
Justin Fields 31 yards
No you aren’t.
BlackCrowes
Footballguy
was trying to hold for week 8 at Cincinnati, but the roster spots are just too valuable. If he's still starting for week 14 (MIA) and 16 (@NOS), maybe try to pick him back up then.
the game just looks too fast for him. he should be doing two reads, and if they are not there, take off.
the game just looks too fast for him. he should be doing two reads, and if they are not there, take off.
massraider
Footballguy
When national writers are suggesting that his coaches are telling him to not throw the ball, we have jumped the shark into CrazyTown now.
3rd team, same thing.
FarFromHome
Footballguy
Just when I thought I was out. They pull me back in. Ha ha
Jewell
Footballguy
His arm must have not felt right the last few seasons.
Ha, get what you're saying but I'd have gone with a brain contusion as my joke for his passing ineptness.
Truly think therein lies the problem, not his arm. He's not even as inaccurate IMO as he often looks, you just look inaccruate when you can't throw on time.
Jewell
Footballguy
I totally agree with you about the reason for Fields’ ineptness. It’s a processing issue more than arm issue, though he can be inaccurate at times. I just thought the arm went better with the legs for the one-liner.
