QB Justin Fields, NYJ (1 Viewer)

[Max Power]

JFs biggest problem right now is the OC.

 

[BlackCrowes]

Have they told him to run less?

 

[Grahamburn]

JFs biggest problem right now is the OC.

I wonder what Luke Getsy’s thoughts are on what he thinks his biggest problem is?

My guess is he thinks his plays worked much better when Aaron Rodgers was running them.

 

[Max Power]

JFs biggest problem right now is the OC.

I wonder what Luke Getsy’s thoughts are on what he thinks his biggest problem is?

My guess is he thinks his plays worked much better when Aaron Rodgers was running them.

If the argument is JF is no Aaron Rodgers, I'd agree with that. However I think Aaron Rodgers could make any OC look good.

I think the Getsy/Fields relationship should split the blame 50/50. JF is a turnover prone QB who has elite athletic ability and average QB skills. Getsy wants to call games that reduce JFs flaws and mistakes vs a gameplan that emphasizes what he does well. The Bears have blown 3 double digit 4th quarter leads this year alone because they play it too safe and play not to lose. A lot of that falls on coaching.

If both JF and Getsy are gone next year, I have way more confidence that JF will find a new home and succeed vs Getsy finding another job and being a good OC.

 

[Grahamburn]

JFs biggest problem right now is the OC.

I wonder what Luke Getsy’s thoughts are on what he thinks his biggest problem is?

My guess is he thinks his plays worked much better when Aaron Rodgers was running them.

If the argument is JF is no Aaron Rodgers, I'd agree with that. However I think Aaron Rodgers could make any OC look good.

I think the Getsy/Fields relationship should split the blame 50/50. JF is a turnover prone QB who has elite athletic ability and average QB skills. Getsy wants to call games that reduce JFs flaws and mistakes vs a gameplan that emphasizes what he does well. The Bears have blown 3 double digit 4th quarter leads this year alone because they play it too safe and play not to lose. A lot of that falls on coaching.

If both JF and Getsy are gone next year, I have way more confidence that JF will find a new home and succeed vs Getsy finding another job and being a good OC.

My point is just that Justin Fields is not a QB you can win with consistently. He's bad from the pocket. He's bad on 3rd down when you have to be efficient throwing the football. You can't win that way. The OC emphasizing what he does well with his play-calling can only accomplish so much. His QB rating on 3rd down is 75.8; Zach Wilson is 75.5... They can't run boots/waggles or RPOs every single play. The reason Getsy calls so much short stuff is to HELP Fields because he can't process fast enough to make quick decisions from the pocket. Don't you think he'd call deep shots if he felt Fields was capable of hitting them? Fields has the highest pocket time in the NFL, which means his offensive line is amazing (I don't think any Bears' fan would say that's the case), OR he holds the ball waaaaaay too long.

 

[InDitkaWeTrust]

JFs biggest problem right now is the OC.

I wonder what Luke Getsy’s thoughts are on what he thinks his biggest problem is?

My guess is he thinks his plays worked much better when Aaron Rodgers was running them.

Good lord, ANYONE'S plays will work better with a veteran HoF bound QB at the helm. To be a good coach/coordinator, you have to be flexible enough to mold your style to the talent you have around you. LG made is crystal clear that he wasn't interested in doing that.

 

[Max Power]

JFs biggest problem right now is the OC.

I wonder what Luke Getsy’s thoughts are on what he thinks his biggest problem is?

My guess is he thinks his plays worked much better when Aaron Rodgers was running them.

If the argument is JF is no Aaron Rodgers, I'd agree with that. However I think Aaron Rodgers could make any OC look good.

I think the Getsy/Fields relationship should split the blame 50/50. JF is a turnover prone QB who has elite athletic ability and average QB skills. Getsy wants to call games that reduce JFs flaws and mistakes vs a gameplan that emphasizes what he does well. The Bears have blown 3 double digit 4th quarter leads this year alone because they play it too safe and play not to lose. A lot of that falls on coaching.

If both JF and Getsy are gone next year, I have way more confidence that JF will find a new home and succeed vs Getsy finding another job and being a good OC.

My point is just that Justin Fields is not a QB you can win with consistently. He's bad from the pocket. He's bad on 3rd down when you have to be efficient throwing the football. You can't win that way. The OC emphasizing what he does well with his play-calling can only accomplish so much. His QB rating on 3rd down is 75.8; Zach Wilson is 75.5... They can't run boots/waggles or RPOs every single play. The reason Getsy calls so much short stuff is to HELP Fields because he can't process fast enough to make quick decisions from the pocket. Don't you think he'd call deep shots if he felt Fields was capable of hitting them? Fields has the highest pocket time in the NFL, which means his offensive line is amazing (I don't think any Bears' fan would say that's the case), OR he holds the ball waaaaaay too long.

That's fair, JF isn't without his warts. He doesn't see the field well, doesn't throw WRs open and does hold the ball too long.

I think it was week 3 JF said Getsy made the offense too complicated. Since then he has been a lot better.

But just for some clarification, which QBs can a team consistently win with? I feel like that number is very small and if that's the bar, I don't love the QBs in this class to meet it.

 

[Grahamburn]

JFs biggest problem right now is the OC.

I wonder what Luke Getsy’s thoughts are on what he thinks his biggest problem is?

My guess is he thinks his plays worked much better when Aaron Rodgers was running them.

Good lord, ANYONE'S plays will work better with a veteran HoF bound QB at the helm. To be a good coach/coordinator, you have to be flexible enough to mold your style to the talent you have around you. LG made is crystal clear that he wasn't interested in doing that.

I was being hyperbolic. JF's biggest problem isn't the OC. It's himself.

 

[Grahamburn]

The situation that mirrors it the closest would be Josh Rosen, who was selected by the Cardinals with the 10th pick. When the Cardinals landed the #1 overall a year later they traded him to the Dolphins for their 2nd rounder. Granted, it was 62nd overall.

Fields is better than Rosen is/was but also only carries two more years of control on his rookie deal. Mid-2nd or later is probably the best the Bears will get for Fields.

Rosen made just under $19M in his career and had shots with 7 teams. Including my Bucs. When you're a QB drafted in the first round you get a lot of second chances.

 

[travdogg]

The situation that mirrors it the closest would be Josh Rosen, who was selected by the Cardinals with the 10th pick. When the Cardinals landed the #1 overall a year later they traded him to the Dolphins for their 2nd rounder. Granted, it was 62nd overall.

Fields is better than Rosen is/was but also only carries two more years of control on his rookie deal. Mid-2nd or later is probably the best the Bears will get for Fields.

Rosen made just under $19M in his career and had shots with 7 teams. Including my Bucs. When you're a QB drafted in the first round you get a lot of second chances.

Fields couldn't have been let down by his teammates much more on Sunday, he played more than well enough to beat the Browns. There were 3 drops of over 25 yards, 2 of which were TDs, that were basically perfect throws.

DJ Moore is really good, Cole Kmet is solid, though ideally not the #2 option, but this team probably needs 2 WRs. Mooney has regressed a bunch and Tyler Scott/Velus Jones aren't starting caliber guys.

I think Fields is pretty similar (maybe not as talented, but also not coming off a torn ACL) to Kyler Murray a year ago. Where its clear he's a talented QB, but the consistency isn't there. Personally, I think Arizona made the right call not starting over, and I think the Bears would also be making the right call not starting over. I'm not saying Fields>Caleb, but I would certainly say Fields+multiple 1sts>Caleb+2nd.

 

[Max Power]

The situation that mirrors it the closest would be Josh Rosen, who was selected by the Cardinals with the 10th pick. When the Cardinals landed the #1 overall a year later they traded him to the Dolphins for their 2nd rounder. Granted, it was 62nd overall.

Fields is better than Rosen is/was but also only carries two more years of control on his rookie deal. Mid-2nd or later is probably the best the Bears will get for Fields.

Rosen made just under $19M in his career and had shots with 7 teams. Including my Bucs. When you're a QB drafted in the first round you get a lot of second chances.

Kyler is an excellent talking point for the pros and cons of this situation. I see Caleb closer to a Kyler level caliber player than a Mahones level.

Kyler and JF go against each other this weekend and I think the Bears win that game and JF is the better QB this week.

Rosen wasn't a good QB and the Cards did make the right move. However its 5 years later and the Cards aren't close to contending. Murray was a great prospect, but he has little to show for his NFL career. Cards are never going anywhere with him.

 

[Max Power]

The situation that mirrors it the closest would be Josh Rosen, who was selected by the Cardinals with the 10th pick. When the Cardinals landed the #1 overall a year later they traded him to the Dolphins for their 2nd rounder. Granted, it was 62nd overall.

Fields is better than Rosen is/was but also only carries two more years of control on his rookie deal. Mid-2nd or later is probably the best the Bears will get for Fields.

Rosen made just under $19M in his career and had shots with 7 teams. Including my Bucs. When you're a QB drafted in the first round you get a lot of second chances.

Fields couldn't have been let down by his teammates much more on Sunday, he played more than well enough to beat the Browns. There were 3 drops of over 25 yards, 2 of which were TDs, that were basically perfect throws.

DJ Moore is really good, Cole Kmet is solid, though ideally not the #2 option, but this team probably needs 2 WRs. Mooney has regressed a bunch and Tyler Scott/Velus Jones aren't starting caliber guys.

I think Fields is pretty similar (maybe not as talented, but also not coming off a torn ACL) to Kyler Murray a year ago. Where its clear he's a talented QB, but the consistency isn't there. Personally, I think Arizona made the right call not starting over, and I think the Bears would also be making the right call not starting over. I'm not saying Fields>Caleb, but I would certainly say Fields+multiple 1sts>Caleb+2nd.

Right there with you. I think Caleb is probably more talented, but the package for Williams would outweigh the difference/risk. If the Bears don't get a great offer for #1, I think the right move is to take Williams.

 

[chad in Indy]

JFs biggest problem right now is the OC.

I wonder what Luke Getsy’s thoughts are on what he thinks his biggest problem is?

My guess is he thinks his plays worked much better when Aaron Rodgers was running them.

Good lord, ANYONE'S plays will work better with a veteran HoF bound QB at the helm. To be a good coach/coordinator, you have to be flexible enough to mold your style to the talent you have around you. LG made is crystal clear that he wasn't interested in doing that.

I was being hyperbolic. JF's biggest problem isn't the OC. It's himself.

JFs biggest problem right now is the OC.

I wonder what Luke Getsy’s thoughts are on what he thinks his biggest problem is?

My guess is he thinks his plays worked much better when Aaron Rodgers was running them.

If the argument is JF is no Aaron Rodgers, I'd agree with that. However I think Aaron Rodgers could make any OC look good.

I think the Getsy/Fields relationship should split the blame 50/50. JF is a turnover prone QB who has elite athletic ability and average QB skills. Getsy wants to call games that reduce JFs flaws and mistakes vs a gameplan that emphasizes what he does well. The Bears have blown 3 double digit 4th quarter leads this year alone because they play it too safe and play not to lose. A lot of that falls on coaching.

If both JF and Getsy are gone next year, I have way more confidence that JF will find a new home and succeed vs Getsy finding another job and being a good OC.

My point is just that Justin Fields is not a QB you can win with consistently. He's bad from the pocket. He's bad on 3rd down when you have to be efficient throwing the football. You can't win that way. The OC emphasizing what he does well with his play-calling can only accomplish so much. His QB rating on 3rd down is 75.8; Zach Wilson is 75.5... They can't run boots/waggles or RPOs every single play. The reason Getsy calls so much short stuff is to HELP Fields because he can't process fast enough to make quick decisions from the pocket. Don't you think he'd call deep shots if he felt Fields was capable of hitting them? Fields has the highest pocket time in the NFL, which means his offensive line is amazing (I don't think any Bears' fan would say that's the case), OR he holds the ball waaaaaay too long.

ehhh. He played "well" against the Browns. His receivers had some horrible drops on absolutely perfect deep passes. I would also be curious to know what the Bears average third down distance is compared to the NFL. I do agree Fields holds the ball too long, but Getsy went from repeatedly calling "all go routes" in the beginning of the season to bubble screens and rollouts the past few weeks. There has to be a blend. Browns are a really good defense too.

 

[Max Power]

JFs biggest problem right now is the OC.

I wonder what Luke Getsy’s thoughts are on what he thinks his biggest problem is?

My guess is he thinks his plays worked much better when Aaron Rodgers was running them.

Good lord, ANYONE'S plays will work better with a veteran HoF bound QB at the helm. To be a good coach/coordinator, you have to be flexible enough to mold your style to the talent you have around you. LG made is crystal clear that he wasn't interested in doing that.

I was being hyperbolic. JF's biggest problem isn't the OC. It's himself.

JFs biggest problem right now is the OC.

I wonder what Luke Getsy’s thoughts are on what he thinks his biggest problem is?

My guess is he thinks his plays worked much better when Aaron Rodgers was running them.

If the argument is JF is no Aaron Rodgers, I'd agree with that. However I think Aaron Rodgers could make any OC look good.

I think the Getsy/Fields relationship should split the blame 50/50. JF is a turnover prone QB who has elite athletic ability and average QB skills. Getsy wants to call games that reduce JFs flaws and mistakes vs a gameplan that emphasizes what he does well. The Bears have blown 3 double digit 4th quarter leads this year alone because they play it too safe and play not to lose. A lot of that falls on coaching.

If both JF and Getsy are gone next year, I have way more confidence that JF will find a new home and succeed vs Getsy finding another job and being a good OC.

My point is just that Justin Fields is not a QB you can win with consistently. He's bad from the pocket. He's bad on 3rd down when you have to be efficient throwing the football. You can't win that way. The OC emphasizing what he does well with his play-calling can only accomplish so much. His QB rating on 3rd down is 75.8; Zach Wilson is 75.5... They can't run boots/waggles or RPOs every single play. The reason Getsy calls so much short stuff is to HELP Fields because he can't process fast enough to make quick decisions from the pocket. Don't you think he'd call deep shots if he felt Fields was capable of hitting them? Fields has the highest pocket time in the NFL, which means his offensive line is amazing (I don't think any Bears' fan would say that's the case), OR he holds the ball waaaaaay too long.

ehhh. He played "well" against the Browns. His receivers had some horrible drops on absolutely perfect deep passes. I would also be curious to know what the Bears average third down distance is compared to the NFL. I do agree Fields holds the ball too long, but Getsy went from repeatedly calling "all go routes" in the beginning of the season to bubble screens and rollouts the past few weeks. There has to be a blend. Browns are a really good defense too.

The 1-2 Punch of Foreman and Herbert combined for 2 yards on 12 carries, so its safe to say the run game wasn't working.

 

[InDitkaWeTrust]

JFs biggest problem right now is the OC.

I wonder what Luke Getsy’s thoughts are on what he thinks his biggest problem is?

My guess is he thinks his plays worked much better when Aaron Rodgers was running them.

Good lord, ANYONE'S plays will work better with a veteran HoF bound QB at the helm. To be a good coach/coordinator, you have to be flexible enough to mold your style to the talent you have around you. LG made is crystal clear that he wasn't interested in doing that.

I was being hyperbolic. JF's biggest problem isn't the OC. It's himself.

JFs biggest problem right now is the OC.

I wonder what Luke Getsy’s thoughts are on what he thinks his biggest problem is?

My guess is he thinks his plays worked much better when Aaron Rodgers was running them.

If the argument is JF is no Aaron Rodgers, I'd agree with that. However I think Aaron Rodgers could make any OC look good.

I think the Getsy/Fields relationship should split the blame 50/50. JF is a turnover prone QB who has elite athletic ability and average QB skills. Getsy wants to call games that reduce JFs flaws and mistakes vs a gameplan that emphasizes what he does well. The Bears have blown 3 double digit 4th quarter leads this year alone because they play it too safe and play not to lose. A lot of that falls on coaching.

If both JF and Getsy are gone next year, I have way more confidence that JF will find a new home and succeed vs Getsy finding another job and being a good OC.

My point is just that Justin Fields is not a QB you can win with consistently. He's bad from the pocket. He's bad on 3rd down when you have to be efficient throwing the football. You can't win that way. The OC emphasizing what he does well with his play-calling can only accomplish so much. His QB rating on 3rd down is 75.8; Zach Wilson is 75.5... They can't run boots/waggles or RPOs every single play. The reason Getsy calls so much short stuff is to HELP Fields because he can't process fast enough to make quick decisions from the pocket. Don't you think he'd call deep shots if he felt Fields was capable of hitting them? Fields has the highest pocket time in the NFL, which means his offensive line is amazing (I don't think any Bears' fan would say that's the case), OR he holds the ball waaaaaay too long.

ehhh. He played "well" against the Browns. His receivers had some horrible drops on absolutely perfect deep passes. I would also be curious to know what the Bears average third down distance is compared to the NFL. I do agree Fields holds the ball too long, but Getsy went from repeatedly calling "all go routes" in the beginning of the season to bubble screens and rollouts the past few weeks. There has to be a blend. Browns are a really good defense too.

The 1-2 Punch of Foreman and Herbert combined for 2 yards on 12 carries, so its safe to say the run game wasn't working.

Getsy's play calling (with the exception of the scripted first drives) is repetitive, uninspired, and often doesn't play to the talent on the offense as a whole, not just to Fields. That's been the one constant throughout this season. Yes, he's made a few changes that have incorporated some designed runs. Yes, he's added short passes that aren't bubble screens. But the fact remains, his in-game play calling has been predictable by defenses and it shows in the late game meltdowns by the offense.

 

[Max Power]

JFs biggest problem right now is the OC.

I wonder what Luke Getsy’s thoughts are on what he thinks his biggest problem is?

My guess is he thinks his plays worked much better when Aaron Rodgers was running them.

Good lord, ANYONE'S plays will work better with a veteran HoF bound QB at the helm. To be a good coach/coordinator, you have to be flexible enough to mold your style to the talent you have around you. LG made is crystal clear that he wasn't interested in doing that.

I was being hyperbolic. JF's biggest problem isn't the OC. It's himself.

JFs biggest problem right now is the OC.

I wonder what Luke Getsy’s thoughts are on what he thinks his biggest problem is?

My guess is he thinks his plays worked much better when Aaron Rodgers was running them.

If the argument is JF is no Aaron Rodgers, I'd agree with that. However I think Aaron Rodgers could make any OC look good.

I think the Getsy/Fields relationship should split the blame 50/50. JF is a turnover prone QB who has elite athletic ability and average QB skills. Getsy wants to call games that reduce JFs flaws and mistakes vs a gameplan that emphasizes what he does well. The Bears have blown 3 double digit 4th quarter leads this year alone because they play it too safe and play not to lose. A lot of that falls on coaching.

If both JF and Getsy are gone next year, I have way more confidence that JF will find a new home and succeed vs Getsy finding another job and being a good OC.

My point is just that Justin Fields is not a QB you can win with consistently. He's bad from the pocket. He's bad on 3rd down when you have to be efficient throwing the football. You can't win that way. The OC emphasizing what he does well with his play-calling can only accomplish so much. His QB rating on 3rd down is 75.8; Zach Wilson is 75.5... They can't run boots/waggles or RPOs every single play. The reason Getsy calls so much short stuff is to HELP Fields because he can't process fast enough to make quick decisions from the pocket. Don't you think he'd call deep shots if he felt Fields was capable of hitting them? Fields has the highest pocket time in the NFL, which means his offensive line is amazing (I don't think any Bears' fan would say that's the case), OR he holds the ball waaaaaay too long.

ehhh. He played "well" against the Browns. His receivers had some horrible drops on absolutely perfect deep passes. I would also be curious to know what the Bears average third down distance is compared to the NFL. I do agree Fields holds the ball too long, but Getsy went from repeatedly calling "all go routes" in the beginning of the season to bubble screens and rollouts the past few weeks. There has to be a blend. Browns are a really good defense too.

The 1-2 Punch of Foreman and Herbert combined for 2 yards on 12 carries, so its safe to say the run game wasn't working.

Getsy's play calling (with the exception of the scripted first drives) is repetitive, uninspired, and often doesn't play to the talent on the offense as a whole, not just to Fields. That's been the one constant throughout this season. Yes, he's made a few changes that have incorporated some designed runs. Yes, he's added short passes that aren't bubble screens. But the fact remains, his in-game play calling has been predictable by defenses and it shows in the late game meltdowns by the offense.

Two Ls early in the year were in large part thanks to Getsy. The pick 6 in Tampa... The defender even said he just saw the Bears run that play and guessed it was a screen... pick 6 in the 4th.

The fumble 6 vs Denver where fields made a bad play on an island after a fake handoff bootleg... Denver clearly assigned the DE/OLB to spy JF on those rollouts and hadn't bitten on a run all game. His assignment was Fields even after a fake and they showed it all game, so to call that and think Denver would fall for it that time was stupid playcalling.

 

[InDitkaWeTrust]

JFs biggest problem right now is the OC.

I wonder what Luke Getsy’s thoughts are on what he thinks his biggest problem is?

My guess is he thinks his plays worked much better when Aaron Rodgers was running them.

Good lord, ANYONE'S plays will work better with a veteran HoF bound QB at the helm. To be a good coach/coordinator, you have to be flexible enough to mold your style to the talent you have around you. LG made is crystal clear that he wasn't interested in doing that.

I was being hyperbolic. JF's biggest problem isn't the OC. It's himself.

JFs biggest problem right now is the OC.

I wonder what Luke Getsy’s thoughts are on what he thinks his biggest problem is?

My guess is he thinks his plays worked much better when Aaron Rodgers was running them.

If the argument is JF is no Aaron Rodgers, I'd agree with that. However I think Aaron Rodgers could make any OC look good.

I think the Getsy/Fields relationship should split the blame 50/50. JF is a turnover prone QB who has elite athletic ability and average QB skills. Getsy wants to call games that reduce JFs flaws and mistakes vs a gameplan that emphasizes what he does well. The Bears have blown 3 double digit 4th quarter leads this year alone because they play it too safe and play not to lose. A lot of that falls on coaching.

If both JF and Getsy are gone next year, I have way more confidence that JF will find a new home and succeed vs Getsy finding another job and being a good OC.

My point is just that Justin Fields is not a QB you can win with consistently. He's bad from the pocket. He's bad on 3rd down when you have to be efficient throwing the football. You can't win that way. The OC emphasizing what he does well with his play-calling can only accomplish so much. His QB rating on 3rd down is 75.8; Zach Wilson is 75.5... They can't run boots/waggles or RPOs every single play. The reason Getsy calls so much short stuff is to HELP Fields because he can't process fast enough to make quick decisions from the pocket. Don't you think he'd call deep shots if he felt Fields was capable of hitting them? Fields has the highest pocket time in the NFL, which means his offensive line is amazing (I don't think any Bears' fan would say that's the case), OR he holds the ball waaaaaay too long.

ehhh. He played "well" against the Browns. His receivers had some horrible drops on absolutely perfect deep passes. I would also be curious to know what the Bears average third down distance is compared to the NFL. I do agree Fields holds the ball too long, but Getsy went from repeatedly calling "all go routes" in the beginning of the season to bubble screens and rollouts the past few weeks. There has to be a blend. Browns are a really good defense too.

The 1-2 Punch of Foreman and Herbert combined for 2 yards on 12 carries, so its safe to say the run game wasn't working.

Getsy's play calling (with the exception of the scripted first drives) is repetitive, uninspired, and often doesn't play to the talent on the offense as a whole, not just to Fields. That's been the one constant throughout this season. Yes, he's made a few changes that have incorporated some designed runs. Yes, he's added short passes that aren't bubble screens. But the fact remains, his in-game play calling has been predictable by defenses and it shows in the late game meltdowns by the offense.

Two Ls early in the year were in large part thanks to Getsy. The pick 6 in Tampa... The defender even said he just saw the Bears run that play and guessed it was a screen... pick 6 in the 4th.

The fumble 6 vs Denver where fields made a bad play on an island after a fake handoff bootleg... Denver clearly assigned the DE/OLB to spy JF on those rollouts and hadn't bitten on a run all game. His assignment was Fields even after a fake and they showed it all game, so to call that and think Denver would fall for it that time was stupid playcalling.

There are so many examples. How many times early in the season were receivers ending their routes within feet of each other? How many times did we run the exact same play over and over, often on the same drive? How many times did (and still do) run motion towards the direction of the play? How many times do we set a hot route on the other side of the play from the free running defender? How often do we basically shut down the offense in the late 3rd and 4th Q with a lead? The beats just keep coming. It's clear to me the Getsy basically ran Aaron Rogers offense (who likely audibled out of many of the given plays) and is not ready to be an OC without the gift of a HoF QB.

 

[Grahamburn]

Lol. QB throws an INT directly into a defender’s hands and it’s the OC’s fault. The excuses for this kid are endless.

 

[InDitkaWeTrust]

Lol. QB throws an INT directly into a defender’s hands and it’s the OC’s fault. The excuses for this kid are endless.

Which interception are you talking about? The 1st half hail Mary or the 2nd half hail Mary?

 

[Grahamburn]

Lol. QB throws an INT directly into a defender’s hands and it’s the OC’s fault. The excuses for this kid are endless.

Which interception are you talking about? The 1st half hail Mary or the 2nd half hail Mary?

I apologize. The one against Tampa where they ran the same screen on back to back plays. Yes, maybe don’t do that. But, that’s no excuse for the QB going “eff it” and just throwing it into a harm’s way.

 

[DocHolliday]

Lol. QB throws an INT directly into a defender’s hands and it’s the OC’s fault. The excuses for this kid are endless.

Which interception are you talking about? The 1st half hail Mary or the 2nd half hail Mary?

I apologize. The one against Tampa where they ran the same screen on back to back plays. Yes, maybe don’t do that. But, that’s no excuse for the QB going “eff it” and just throwing it into a harm’s way.

Horrible play call. Everyone saw that throw coming. Fields has some blame but that is not how you call plays in the NFL.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

My head hurts from the unfounded hatred of Justin Fields the last couple pages.

The Bears best move is to trade the pick or draft MH2.

Give Fields his Jefferson paired up with Moore and that offense is going to be explosive as hell.

This team is an abomination. They can’t run, they can’t play defense, and they can’t protect the QB.and the OC seems to not want him to run. And yet Fields has had some great games, and showed tremendous arm talent this year. DJ Moore has been an outstanding FF WR.

Criticizing Fields for lacking consistency on that roster is like criticizing the titanic for lacking buoyancy after it hit the iceberg.


smh

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Horrible play call. Everyone saw that throw coming. Fields has some blame but that is not how you call plays in the NFL.

Voices of reason are few and far between in here. I appreciate yours.

 

[DocHolliday]

Horrible play call. Everyone saw that throw coming. Fields has some blame but that is not how you call plays in the NFL.

Voices of reason are few and far between in here. I appreciate yours.

Voice of reason? Scary if I’m a voice of reason but I do think Fields is better than his W -L record shows and he is a top 10 QB in the NFL. The kid needs a ticket out of Chicago or Chicago needs to load their current staff on a bus out of Chicago. Fields isn’t Mahomes or Hurts or Allen but the potential is there.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Voice of reason? Scary if I’m a voice of reason

The bar was not super high, but it was worthy of recognition. lol

 

[InDitkaWeTrust]

Lol. QB throws an INT directly into a defender’s hands and it’s the OC’s fault. The excuses for this kid are endless.

Which interception are you talking about? The 1st half hail Mary or the 2nd half hail Mary?

I apologize. The one against Tampa where they ran the same screen on back to back plays. Yes, maybe don’t do that. But, that’s no excuse for the QB going “eff it” and just throwing it into a harm’s way.

Tell me you haven't watched a single snap without telling me you've never watched a single snap.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Voice of reason? Scary if I’m a voice of reason

The bar was not super high, but it was worthy of recognition. lol

Yep - the 3 knee injuries were 1 incident. Kablooey!

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[Grahamburn]

My head hurts from the unfounded hatred of Justin Fields the last couple pages.

The Bears best move is to trade the pick or draft MH2.

Give Fields his Jefferson paired up with Moore and that offense is going to be explosive as hell.

This team is an abomination. They can’t run, they can’t play defense, and they can’t protect the QB.and the OC seems to not want him to run. And yet Fields has had some great games, and showed tremendous arm talent this year. DJ Moore has been an outstanding FF WR.

Criticizing Fields for lacking consistency on that roster is like criticizing the titanic for lacking buoyancy after it hit the iceberg.


smh

Unfounded? My posts have been full of statistics supporting my claim that he’s just not a good QB.

All I’m getting in response is that it’s not his fault. He’s about to get another head coach/OC fired while leading his team to a third straight top-10 pick.

I realize he’s good for your fantasy team and you want the Bears to call more running plays for him and to draft WRs but that’s what’s best for you. Not the Bears.

 

[Kiddnets]

What a tough decision for Chicago. I totally get resetting the clock - but Fields has shown to at the very least be a decent starter with big upside. The lure of trading the #1 for a boatload or drafting an uber stud like MH2 has got to be tempting. I understand the reset and the mystery box of a new QB but as a fan who has dealt with brutal QB play for decades Id be wary of discarding a QB who is shown to at least be a competent starter.

 

[BlackCrowes]

Gotta roll with him this week. Playing the 14-1 team and have to swing for the fences.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

My head hurts from the unfounded hatred of Justin Fields the last couple pages.

The Bears best move is to trade the pick or draft MH2.

Give Fields his Jefferson paired up with Moore and that offense is going to be explosive as hell.

This team is an abomination. They can’t run, they can’t play defense, and they can’t protect the QB.and the OC seems to not want him to run. And yet Fields has had some great games, and showed tremendous arm talent this year. DJ Moore has been an outstanding FF WR.

Criticizing Fields for lacking consistency on that roster is like criticizing the titanic for lacking buoyancy after it hit the iceberg.


smh

Unfounded? My posts have been full of statistics supporting my claim that he’s just not a good QB.

All I’m getting in response is that it’s not his fault. He’s about to get another head coach/OC fired while leading his team to a third straight top-10 pick.

I realize he’s good for your fantasy team and you want the Bears to call more running plays for him and to draft WRs but that’s what’s best for you. Not the Bears.

Because football isn’t a team sport and 1 dude can overcome bad coaching, OL, lack of playmakers and a porous defense.

Got it.

Your extremely selective arguments have been noted.

 

[Chreesto]

My head hurts from the unfounded hatred of Justin Fields the last couple pages.

The Bears best move is to trade the pick or draft MH2.

Give Fields his Jefferson paired up with Moore and that offense is going to be explosive as hell.

This team is an abomination. They can’t run, they can’t play defense, and they can’t protect the QB.and the OC seems to not want him to run. And yet Fields has had some great games, and showed tremendous arm talent this year. DJ Moore has been an outstanding FF WR.

Criticizing Fields for lacking consistency on that roster is like criticizing the titanic for lacking buoyancy after it hit the iceberg.


smh

Unfounded? My posts have been full of statistics supporting my claim that he’s just not a good QB.

All I’m getting in response is that it’s not his fault. He’s about to get another head coach/OC fired while leading his team to a third straight top-10 pick.

I realize he’s good for your fantasy team and you want the Bears to call more running plays for him and to draft WRs but that’s what’s best for you. Not the Bears.

Because football isn’t a team sport and 1 dude can overcome bad coaching, OL, lack of playmakers and a porous defense.

Got it.

Your extremely selective arguments have been noted.

HSG, do you think that Justin Fields is, or will be, good at passing from the pocket, in rhythm, and playing within structure, or do you think those traits are unnecessary?
While I think he has enough raw talent to claw his way into the mid-level QB zone, I don't think there is a coach or team that would make him elite. As a Bears fan, I have seen every snap of Fields' career and I feel like he is missing crucial components of QB play. He is miles away from Lamar Jackson and Josh Allen - I think those are his two best-case-scenario comps. I really wish it had worked out for the Bears but I can't imagine him being the guy there in a few years. Every time I think I see progess, it turns out to just be variance. I hope they trade him to the Falcons and that he has a great career as a mid-level starter but the Bears need to move on.

 

[Grahamburn]

My head hurts from the unfounded hatred of Justin Fields the last couple pages.

The Bears best move is to trade the pick or draft MH2.

Give Fields his Jefferson paired up with Moore and that offense is going to be explosive as hell.

This team is an abomination. They can’t run, they can’t play defense, and they can’t protect the QB.and the OC seems to not want him to run. And yet Fields has had some great games, and showed tremendous arm talent this year. DJ Moore has been an outstanding FF WR.

Criticizing Fields for lacking consistency on that roster is like criticizing the titanic for lacking buoyancy after it hit the iceberg.


smh

Unfounded? My posts have been full of statistics supporting my claim that he’s just not a good QB.

All I’m getting in response is that it’s not his fault. He’s about to get another head coach/OC fired while leading his team to a third straight top-10 pick.

I realize he’s good for your fantasy team and you want the Bears to call more running plays for him and to draft WRs but that’s what’s best for you. Not the Bears.

Because football isn’t a team sport and 1 dude can overcome bad coaching, OL, lack of playmakers and a porous defense.

Got it.

Your extremely selective arguments have been noted.

Selective argument? What does that mean?

My argument is he’s not a good QB.

Yours seems to be that he’s not a good QB because others haven’t helped him be a good QB.

How do we know the coaching is bad?

I’ve shown in multiple posts that Justin Fields leads the league in pocket time to throw. He has enough time.

D.J. Moore is a #1 receiver. Cole Kmet is a pretty good TE. There are some weapons in place.

There are a lot of excuses for Fields.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

My head hurts from the unfounded hatred of Justin Fields the last couple pages.

The Bears best move is to trade the pick or draft MH2.

Give Fields his Jefferson paired up with Moore and that offense is going to be explosive as hell.

This team is an abomination. They can’t run, they can’t play defense, and they can’t protect the QB.and the OC seems to not want him to run. And yet Fields has had some great games, and showed tremendous arm talent this year. DJ Moore has been an outstanding FF WR.

Criticizing Fields for lacking consistency on that roster is like criticizing the titanic for lacking buoyancy after it hit the iceberg.


smh

Unfounded? My posts have been full of statistics supporting my claim that he’s just not a good QB.

All I’m getting in response is that it’s not his fault. He’s about to get another head coach/OC fired while leading his team to a third straight top-10 pick.

I realize he’s good for your fantasy team and you want the Bears to call more running plays for him and to draft WRs but that’s what’s best for you. Not the Bears.

Because football isn’t a team sport and 1 dude can overcome bad coaching, OL, lack of playmakers and a porous defense.

Got it.

Your extremely selective arguments have been noted.

Selective argument? What does that mean?

My argument is he’s not a good QB.

Yours seems to be that he’s not a good QB because others haven’t helped him be a good QB.

How do we know the coaching is bad?

I’ve shown in multiple posts that Justin Fields leads the league in pocket time to throw. He has enough time.

D.J. Moore is a #1 receiver. Cole Kmet is a pretty good TE. There are some weapons in place.

There are a lot of excuses for Fields.

2 weapons and you’ve been consistently blaming everything on Fields and claiming everyone else makes excusrs

It’s a lame argument, you’re incredibly disingenuous and repetitive, and I’m putting you on ignore now.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

My head hurts from the unfounded hatred of Justin Fields the last couple pages.

The Bears best move is to trade the pick or draft MH2.

Give Fields his Jefferson paired up with Moore and that offense is going to be explosive as hell.

This team is an abomination. They can’t run, they can’t play defense, and they can’t protect the QB.and the OC seems to not want him to run. And yet Fields has had some great games, and showed tremendous arm talent this year. DJ Moore has been an outstanding FF WR.

Criticizing Fields for lacking consistency on that roster is like criticizing the titanic for lacking buoyancy after it hit the iceberg.


smh

Unfounded? My posts have been full of statistics supporting my claim that he’s just not a good QB.

All I’m getting in response is that it’s not his fault. He’s about to get another head coach/OC fired while leading his team to a third straight top-10 pick.

I realize he’s good for your fantasy team and you want the Bears to call more running plays for him and to draft WRs but that’s what’s best for you. Not the Bears.

Because football isn’t a team sport and 1 dude can overcome bad coaching, OL, lack of playmakers and a porous defense.

Got it.

Your extremely selective arguments have been noted.

HSG, do you think that Justin Fields is, or will be, good at passing from the pocket, in rhythm, and playing within structure, or do you think those traits are unnecessary?
While I think he has enough raw talent to claw his way into the mid-level QB zone, I don't think there is a coach or team that would make him elite. As a Bears fan, I have seen every snap of Fields' career and I feel like he is missing crucial components of QB play. He is miles away from Lamar Jackson and Josh Allen - I think those are his two best-case-scenario comps. I really wish it had worked out for the Bears but I can't imagine him being the guy there in a few years. Every time I think I see progess, it turns out to just be variance. I hope they trade him to the Falcons and that he has a great career as a mid-level starter but the Bears need to move on.

I don’t think we’ve ever seen Fields with a complete team around him, nor coach/OC who’s designed an offense to his strengths. And he’s still managed to play to a very high level.

As for passing from the pocket, why in the world would anyone possibly want him to be a pocket passer?

Short answer: yes, he can throw from the pocket. We’ve seen it.

I just don’t see why anyone would want to put shackles on a dude who’s got mobility like that. Like getting a Ferrari and only driving it 15 mph on dirt roads.

 

[Max Power]

My head hurts from the unfounded hatred of Justin Fields the last couple pages.

The Bears best move is to trade the pick or draft MH2.

Give Fields his Jefferson paired up with Moore and that offense is going to be explosive as hell.

This team is an abomination. They can’t run, they can’t play defense, and they can’t protect the QB.and the OC seems to not want him to run. And yet Fields has had some great games, and showed tremendous arm talent this year. DJ Moore has been an outstanding FF WR.

Criticizing Fields for lacking consistency on that roster is like criticizing the titanic for lacking buoyancy after it hit the iceberg.


smh

Unfounded? My posts have been full of statistics supporting my claim that he’s just not a good QB.

All I’m getting in response is that it’s not his fault. He’s about to get another head coach/OC fired while leading his team to a third straight top-10 pick.

I realize he’s good for your fantasy team and you want the Bears to call more running plays for him and to draft WRs but that’s what’s best for you. Not the Bears.

Because football isn’t a team sport and 1 dude can overcome bad coaching, OL, lack of playmakers and a porous defense.

Got it.

Your extremely selective arguments have been noted.

HSG, do you think that Justin Fields is, or will be, good at passing from the pocket, in rhythm, and playing within structure, or do you think those traits are unnecessary?
While I think he has enough raw talent to claw his way into the mid-level QB zone, I don't think there is a coach or team that would make him elite. As a Bears fan, I have seen every snap of Fields' career and I feel like he is missing crucial components of QB play. He is miles away from Lamar Jackson and Josh Allen - I think those are his two best-case-scenario comps. I really wish it had worked out for the Bears but I can't imagine him being the guy there in a few years. Every time I think I see progess, it turns out to just be variance. I hope they trade him to the Falcons and that he has a great career as a mid-level starter but the Bears need to move on.

To play devils advocate here, do you think Flus and Getsy make Williams or Maye elite with the weapons currently on the roster?

I'm in the camp that thinks JF is better than he shows. JF has plenty of issues as a pocket passer, but this Franchise has done him no favors. New HC/OC year two and if we're being honest that was a full on tank job of a season. There is a chance the entire Bears 2022 receiving corps is out of the league by next year. Although Mooney probably gets another shot somewhere else and E. St.Brown may be signed because he blocks well.

 

[Grahamburn]

My head hurts from the unfounded hatred of Justin Fields the last couple pages.

The Bears best move is to trade the pick or draft MH2.

Give Fields his Jefferson paired up with Moore and that offense is going to be explosive as hell.

This team is an abomination. They can’t run, they can’t play defense, and they can’t protect the QB.and the OC seems to not want him to run. And yet Fields has had some great games, and showed tremendous arm talent this year. DJ Moore has been an outstanding FF WR.

Criticizing Fields for lacking consistency on that roster is like criticizing the titanic for lacking buoyancy after it hit the iceberg.


smh

Unfounded? My posts have been full of statistics supporting my claim that he’s just not a good QB.

All I’m getting in response is that it’s not his fault. He’s about to get another head coach/OC fired while leading his team to a third straight top-10 pick.

I realize he’s good for your fantasy team and you want the Bears to call more running plays for him and to draft WRs but that’s what’s best for you. Not the Bears.

Because football isn’t a team sport and 1 dude can overcome bad coaching, OL, lack of playmakers and a porous defense.

Got it.

Your extremely selective arguments have been noted.

Selective argument? What does that mean?

My argument is he’s not a good QB.

Yours seems to be that he’s not a good QB because others haven’t helped him be a good QB.

How do we know the coaching is bad?

I’ve shown in multiple posts that Justin Fields leads the league in pocket time to throw. He has enough time.

D.J. Moore is a #1 receiver. Cole Kmet is a pretty good TE. There are some weapons in place.

There are a lot of excuses for Fields.

2 weapons and you’ve been consistently blaming everything on Fields and claiming everyone else makes excusrs

It’s a lame argument, you’re incredibly disingenuous and repetitive, and I’m putting you on ignore now.

Simply because someone disagrees with you doesn't mean the argument is lame. Not sure what I'm being disingenuous about either, but fair enough.

 

[Chreesto]

My head hurts from the unfounded hatred of Justin Fields the last couple pages.

The Bears best move is to trade the pick or draft MH2.

Give Fields his Jefferson paired up with Moore and that offense is going to be explosive as hell.

This team is an abomination. They can’t run, they can’t play defense, and they can’t protect the QB.and the OC seems to not want him to run. And yet Fields has had some great games, and showed tremendous arm talent this year. DJ Moore has been an outstanding FF WR.

Criticizing Fields for lacking consistency on that roster is like criticizing the titanic for lacking buoyancy after it hit the iceberg.


smh

Unfounded? My posts have been full of statistics supporting my claim that he’s just not a good QB.

All I’m getting in response is that it’s not his fault. He’s about to get another head coach/OC fired while leading his team to a third straight top-10 pick.

I realize he’s good for your fantasy team and you want the Bears to call more running plays for him and to draft WRs but that’s what’s best for you. Not the Bears.

Because football isn’t a team sport and 1 dude can overcome bad coaching, OL, lack of playmakers and a porous defense.

Got it.

Your extremely selective arguments have been noted.

HSG, do you think that Justin Fields is, or will be, good at passing from the pocket, in rhythm, and playing within structure, or do you think those traits are unnecessary?
While I think he has enough raw talent to claw his way into the mid-level QB zone, I don't think there is a coach or team that would make him elite. As a Bears fan, I have seen every snap of Fields' career and I feel like he is missing crucial components of QB play. He is miles away from Lamar Jackson and Josh Allen - I think those are his two best-case-scenario comps. I really wish it had worked out for the Bears but I can't imagine him being the guy there in a few years. Every time I think I see progess, it turns out to just be variance. I hope they trade him to the Falcons and that he has a great career as a mid-level starter but the Bears need to move on.

To play devils advocate here, do you think Flus and Getsy make Williams or Maye elite with the weapons currently on the roster?

I'm in the camp that thinks JF is better than he shows. JF has plenty of issues as a pocket passer, but this Franchise has done him no favors. New HC/OC year two and if we're being honest that was a full on tank job of a season. There is a chance the entire Bears 2022 receiving corps is out of the league by next year. Although Mooney probably gets another shot somewhere else and E. St.Brown may be signed because he blocks well.

Well, no, probably not, but these two paths are not mutually exclusive (or mutually inclusive). The Bears can upgrade OC (please god) and also upgrade the QB. After 3 years I believe I know the approximate range of Justin Fields' floor and ceiling. He is not, to my eye, a QB capable of consistent high-level play to the degree necessary for long-term success. The worst case scenario for a football team in today's NFL is to be consistently mediocre. The fans demand playoff wins and mediocrity keeps you from the high picks necessary to secure a great QB. The Bears have a chance to roll the dice on a QB with more upside than Fields. Additionally, Fields' greatest asset, his legs, won't age well and his cost will skyrocket. I think that either Maye or Williams has a great chance to match or exceed FIelds' play, at a much lower price. I also think it's possible that, in a perfect situation, Fields has a good career as a starter in this league. He might very well be able to make Atlanta's bizarre collection of talent and scheme coalesce into something playoff worthy.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I also think it's possible that, in a perfect situation, Fields has a good career as a starter in this league. He might very well be able to make Atlanta's bizarre collection of talent and scheme coalesce into something playoff worthy.

I don’t think it would take a perfect situation, but Atlanta would be a tantalizing landing spot.

 

[Max Power]

My head hurts from the unfounded hatred of Justin Fields the last couple pages.

The Bears best move is to trade the pick or draft MH2.

Give Fields his Jefferson paired up with Moore and that offense is going to be explosive as hell.

This team is an abomination. They can’t run, they can’t play defense, and they can’t protect the QB.and the OC seems to not want him to run. And yet Fields has had some great games, and showed tremendous arm talent this year. DJ Moore has been an outstanding FF WR.

Criticizing Fields for lacking consistency on that roster is like criticizing the titanic for lacking buoyancy after it hit the iceberg.


smh

Unfounded? My posts have been full of statistics supporting my claim that he’s just not a good QB.

All I’m getting in response is that it’s not his fault. He’s about to get another head coach/OC fired while leading his team to a third straight top-10 pick.

I realize he’s good for your fantasy team and you want the Bears to call more running plays for him and to draft WRs but that’s what’s best for you. Not the Bears.

Because football isn’t a team sport and 1 dude can overcome bad coaching, OL, lack of playmakers and a porous defense.

Got it.

Your extremely selective arguments have been noted.

HSG, do you think that Justin Fields is, or will be, good at passing from the pocket, in rhythm, and playing within structure, or do you think those traits are unnecessary?
While I think he has enough raw talent to claw his way into the mid-level QB zone, I don't think there is a coach or team that would make him elite. As a Bears fan, I have seen every snap of Fields' career and I feel like he is missing crucial components of QB play. He is miles away from Lamar Jackson and Josh Allen - I think those are his two best-case-scenario comps. I really wish it had worked out for the Bears but I can't imagine him being the guy there in a few years. Every time I think I see progess, it turns out to just be variance. I hope they trade him to the Falcons and that he has a great career as a mid-level starter but the Bears need to move on.

To play devils advocate here, do you think Flus and Getsy make Williams or Maye elite with the weapons currently on the roster?

I'm in the camp that thinks JF is better than he shows. JF has plenty of issues as a pocket passer, but this Franchise has done him no favors. New HC/OC year two and if we're being honest that was a full on tank job of a season. There is a chance the entire Bears 2022 receiving corps is out of the league by next year. Although Mooney probably gets another shot somewhere else and E. St.Brown may be signed because he blocks well.

Well, no, probably not, but these two paths are not mutually exclusive (or mutually inclusive). The Bears can upgrade OC (please god) and also upgrade the QB. After 3 years I believe I know the approximate range of Justin Fields' floor and ceiling. He is not, to my eye, a QB capable of consistent high-level play to the degree necessary for long-term success. The worst case scenario for a football team in today's NFL is to be consistently mediocre. The fans demand playoff wins and mediocrity keeps you from the high picks necessary to secure a great QB. The Bears have a chance to roll the dice on a QB with more upside than Fields. Additionally, Fields' greatest asset, his legs, won't age well and his cost will skyrocket. I think that either Maye or Williams has a great chance to match or exceed FIelds' play, at a much lower price. I also think it's possible that, in a perfect situation, Fields has a good career as a starter in this league. He might very well be able to make Atlanta's bizarre collection of talent and scheme coalesce into something playoff worthy.

I think we've seen JFs ceiling under Getsy who we seem to be in agreement isn't a very good OC.

JF has also been a 1k rusher on a team that had no other threats. A quality HC/OC could do something with that. Harbaugh took Kaepernick to the SB and he isn't better than JF. Point being a better OC could get way more out of him than what Getsy did.

Ultimately I'm not firmly in either camp with what to do at QB. I think the thing that would sway me is what type of package is offered for the #1. We've seen dozens of early QBs not pan out in the NFL and the NFL isn't great at identifying QB talent.

Williams or Maye not only have to exceed JFs skillset, but exceed the production 4-5 early picks bring as well.

I'm also just not excited for another reboot at QB. 3rd 1st rd QB in 7 years is also a recipe to stay mediocre.

 

[Grahamburn]

Could potentially trade the pick for a haul, back up to 3 or 4, and still get one on those QBs.

 

[Bri]

Mobile quarterbacks had an average career of....7? Years?
I forget but remember a stat dive here.

I'm curious if Fields is worth the trouble (statistically) or not.

 

[Max Power]

Mobile quarterbacks had an average career of....7? Years?
I forget but remember a stat dive here.

I'm curious if Fields is worth the trouble (statistically) or not.

I'd be interested in seeing that breakout. Seems like a hard thing to define.

Plenty of pocking passing QBs never get a second contract so what is their average at 4-5 years?

 

[Chreesto]

I think we've seen JFs ceiling under Getsy who we seem to be in agreement isn't a very good OC.

JF has also been a 1k rusher on a team that had no other threats. A quality HC/OC could do something with that. Harbaugh took Kaepernick to the SB and he isn't better than JF. Point being a better OC could get way more out of him than what Getsy did.

Ultimately I'm not firmly in either camp with what to do at QB. I think the thing that would sway me is what type of package is offered for the #1. We've seen dozens of early QBs not pan out in the NFL and the NFL isn't great at identifying QB talent.

Williams or Maye not only have to exceed JFs skillset, but exceed the production 4-5 early picks bring as well.

I'm also just not excited for another reboot at QB. 3rd 1st rd QB in 7 years is also a recipe to stay mediocre.

I hear you, and would certainly consider keeping fields if the right situation presented itself. A real haul of picks and Ben johnson or Jim harbaugh would get me (once again) excited about this team with Fields at the helm, but I don't think his ceiling includes the ability for rapid-fire progression through his reads, or to throw timing routes consistently, and I think the playoff-level defensive coordinators will be able to scheme against that weakness and keep a team with Fields from sustained success. At this point, if the Bears were just in the conversation most years and made a couple of playoff runs, I'd call that a win. I kind of like the idea of trading down (if someone wants to overpay) and drafting a less-heralded rookie (ewers, mccarthy, sanders, nix?) to compete with Fields. That would be hard on the locker room, but it has worked before (see russell wilson).

 

[Bri]

Mobile quarterbacks had an average career of....7? Years?
I forget but remember a stat dive here.

I'm curious if Fields is worth the trouble (statistically) or not.

I'd be interested in seeing that breakout. Seems like a hard thing to define.

Plenty of pocking passing QBs never get a second contract so what is their average at 4-5 years?

Maybe so.
It's not that crazy when you remove names from it and think objectively.
Simply- guy didn't show squat in five years, let's move on. Guy threw 80 INTs in five years but if he'd just clean up his game etc

We fall in love or obsession with potential and often lose perspective.

 

[FarFromHome]

I noticed fantasypros has him as the #3 qb this week. Thought that was interesting.

 

[Max Power]

Mobile quarterbacks had an average career of....7? Years?
I forget but remember a stat dive here.

I'm curious if Fields is worth the trouble (statistically) or not.

I'd be interested in seeing that breakout. Seems like a hard thing to define.

Plenty of pocking passing QBs never get a second contract so what is their average at 4-5 years?

Maybe so.
It's not that crazy when you remove names from it and think objectively.
Simply- guy didn't show squat in five years, let's move on. Guy threw 80 INTs in five years but if he'd just clean up his game etc

We fall in love or obsession with potential and often lose perspective.

And I think some are selling a 24 year old QB with the 2nd most rushing yards for a QB in a season short because he's had a lot of turmoil in Chicago and doesn't fit the mold of a Brady or Manning.

 

[Ray Barboni]

Mobile quarterbacks had an average career of....7? Years?
I forget but remember a stat dive here.

I'm curious if Fields is worth the trouble (statistically) or not.

I'd be interested in seeing that breakout. Seems like a hard thing to define.

Plenty of pocking passing QBs never get a second contract so what is their average at 4-5 years?

Maybe so.
It's not that crazy when you remove names from it and think objectively.
Simply- guy didn't show squat in five years, let's move on. Guy threw 80 INTs in five years but if he'd just clean up his game etc

We fall in love or obsession with potential and often lose perspective.

And I think some are selling a 24 year old QB with the 2nd most rushing yards for a QB in a season short because he's had a lot of turmoil in Chicago and doesn't fit the mold of a Brady or Manning.

Yep. I agree.

I actually think he’s closer to Lamar, and maybe even better. CHI just haven’t given him the pat to success. They got him DJ. Note get him an O-line, and a legit 2nd WR.

 

[Bri]

Mobile quarterbacks had an average career of....7? Years?
I forget but remember a stat dive here.

I'm curious if Fields is worth the trouble (statistically) or not.

I'd be interested in seeing that breakout. Seems like a hard thing to define.

Plenty of pocking passing QBs never get a second contract so what is their average at 4-5 years?

Maybe so.
It's not that crazy when you remove names from it and think objectively.
Simply- guy didn't show squat in five years, let's move on. Guy threw 80 INTs in five years but if he'd just clean up his game etc

We fall in love or obsession with potential and often lose perspective.

And I think some are selling a 24 year old QB with the 2nd most rushing yards for a QB in a season short because he's had a lot of turmoil in Chicago and doesn't fit the mold of a Brady or Manning.

I don't really value "2nd most rushing yards." It doesn't hit for me but yet if he was some special passer I'm sure I'd be touting it too. Weird and hypocritical I guess. Know what I mean?

I've said many times that the Bears (and many teams over the years) are fools for not running a typical standard predictable boring offense for a rookie or inexperienced QB to get comfortable in.
Run a lot. Get the D to put seven or eight men in the box.
I get it. Fields is this dynamic runner and CAN do this n that with his legs but the D knows that too so unless he makes a big play, it's just a whole lot of fizzle and everything looks so disorganized.
When Foreman got a lot of carries, suddenly the Bears looked like a team- an orderly offense. That backup, Bagent, he wasn't even half bad running it because there were eight in the box.
Look at the Ravens and how often they run with like 2-3 backs each week. They're very good in the regular season and it seems every playoff game they decide to just unleash Lamar and....pfft loss.
Don't give all these creative DCs options or these great defensive athletes opportunity to show they're great- run it, pound it, pretend you've got Gibbs' Hoggs and suddenly that D is predictable.

Mariota was the opposite of Fields and there have been many like him- oh you were an athletic QB in college? We're going to force you to always be in the pocket and never use your legs.

Vick did well when he had a run game. It's not just Lamar.

I feel like Fields always had 3rd and long and who has a ton of success in that scenario often?

 

[Max Power]

Mobile quarterbacks had an average career of....7? Years?
I forget but remember a stat dive here.

I'm curious if Fields is worth the trouble (statistically) or not.

I'd be interested in seeing that breakout. Seems like a hard thing to define.

Plenty of pocking passing QBs never get a second contract so what is their average at 4-5 years?

Maybe so.
It's not that crazy when you remove names from it and think objectively.
Simply- guy didn't show squat in five years, let's move on. Guy threw 80 INTs in five years but if he'd just clean up his game etc

We fall in love or obsession with potential and often lose perspective.

And I think some are selling a 24 year old QB with the 2nd most rushing yards for a QB in a season short because he's had a lot of turmoil in Chicago and doesn't fit the mold of a Brady or Manning.

I don't really value "2nd most rushing yards." It doesn't hit for me but yet if he was some special passer I'm sure I'd be touting it too. Weird and hypocritical I guess. Know what I mean?

I've said many times that the Bears (and many teams over the years) are fools for not running a typical standard predictable boring offense for a rookie or inexperienced QB to get comfortable in.
Run a lot. Get the D to put seven or eight men in the box.
I get it. Fields is this dynamic runner and CAN do this n that with his legs but the D knows that too so unless he makes a big play, it's just a whole lot of fizzle and everything looks so disorganized.
When Foreman got a lot of carries, suddenly the Bears looked like a team- an orderly offense. That backup, Bagent, he wasn't even half bad running it because there were eight in the box.
Look at the Ravens and how often they run with like 2-3 backs each week. They're very good in the regular season and it seems every playoff game they decide to just unleash Lamar and....pfft loss.
Don't give all these creative DCs options or these great defensive athletes opportunity to show they're great- run it, pound it, pretend you've got Gibbs' Hoggs and suddenly that D is predictable.

Mariota was the opposite of Fields and there have been many like him- oh you were an athletic QB in college? We're going to force you to always be in the pocket and never use your legs.

Vick did well when he had a run game. It's not just Lamar.

I feel like Fields always had 3rd and long and who has a ton of success in that scenario often?

I value the added aspect a dynamic running QB brings to the offense. Every week the talk is how hard it is for opposing DCs to gameplan to stop JF. "He can beat you in so many different ways" is basically a weekly chant at this point. Now the winning defensive blueprint is to stop the run and force JF to beat you from the pocket. That is something he hasn't shown he can do consistently and while plenty falls on him, I feel more should fall on Getsy. Chicago has a very average run game, average OL and below average WR room. And you're absolutely right, Fields sees third and long a ton and that's not all on him. They broke down the Cleveland tape and the Backs/WRs missed EIGHT blocks. Credit to the Browns for being a great D, but a team missing assignments on 15% of plays is going to doom any team.

Take out JF and plug in Caleb Williams or Maye and is this team better? The answer is no because the surrounding talent isn't there and the OC is questionable. I think people see the potential and flashes of talent with Fields. Its why we see a lot of "put him on Pittsburg or Atlanta and he'd be better". They realize the situation and coaching in Chicago is a lot of his issue. Bringing a new QB into this only continues the cycle of disfunction. Now if you were to tell me Harbaugh is in the mix for the Bears coach... full on board with whatever QB he wants. I have faith he would maximize the talent no matter who is behind center.

I don't have a ton of faith in Poles, or Flus and can't stand Getsy. There are a ton of options out there for this offseason and I just hope the Bears make the right call. They are in a unique situation to be real good and their biggest obstacle is themselves.