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QB Justin Fields, NYJ (1 Viewer)
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The way I see it:
If Wilson is the starter, Its good news for Warren (PPR) and Pickens (deep ball + redzone)
If Fields is the starter, Its good news for Fields (easy top-10 upside) and Freiermuth (Russ doesn't throw in the middle)
Its probably more fun if Fields wins the job, especially as just getting over 20 points a week keeps the Steelers a playoff team, and Fields would certainly allow them to be a run heavy/defense team. Probably less come from behind ability than with Wilson, but a poor man's Ravens template isn't crazy to see with Fields.
One thing is certain, Tomlin>Eberflus especially when it comes to rallying the team.
If Wilson is the starter, Its good news for Warren (PPR) and Pickens (deep ball + redzone)
If Fields is the starter, Its good news for Fields (easy top-10 upside) and Freiermuth (Russ doesn't throw in the middle)
Its probably more fun if Fields wins the job, especially as just getting over 20 points a week keeps the Steelers a playoff team, and Fields would certainly allow them to be a run heavy/defense team. Probably less come from behind ability than with Wilson, but a poor man's Ravens template isn't crazy to see with Fields.
One thing is certain, Tomlin>Eberflus especially when it comes to rallying the team.
osubuckeyeman
Footballguy
It's all speculation at this point. Let's see what happens in the pre-season games. I still think Wilson will start week one, but Fields will start more games in 2024.
All the ESPN guys love Fields, seems a little odd tbh
InDitkaWeTrust
Footballguy
<jeopardy> What are two ways to reach 9 and 8, Alex? </jeopardy>
TheDirtyWord
Footballguy
I may be jumping the gun here already, but I think the competition is over and Fields is the guy.
Upside and possibility are what July/August are for in the NFL and the rest of the team now has a taste for Fields being QB1 with RW's early absence. If there is any coach that feels the pulse of his team, it's Tomlin.
It won't be announced early because it makes sense for RW to be engaged throughout camp, but it also makes sense for PIT to have RW as QB2 on a cheap contract. When RW is back, they'll split reps evenly to keep up appearances, then after the last pre-season game...we'll get an announcement. That's how I see it playing out.
That's about how I see it too, unless Fields faceplants, or Wilson looks significantly better once he's back, and I wouldn't bet on either of those things.
One thing worth noting (and you touched on it with Tomlin feeling the pulse of his team) is that all of Fields Bears teammates loved him, whereas not many of Wilson's former teammates seemed too upset about him leaving.
Yes the overall perspective of JF is that he well liked and beloved. Extremely intelligent.
RW at one point in his career started to become unapproachable with fellow teammates. RW is a hard worker.
I do hope JF is the day one starter. Keep in mind RW may not like being the backup. But he could be traded.
Oh one last thing. I wouldn't mind seeing RW start against Denver. RW took the high road last year while Peyton was taking cheap shots.
RW at one point in his career started to become unapproachable with fellow teammates. RW is a hard worker.
I do hope JF is the day one starter. Keep in mind RW may not like being the backup. But he could be traded.
Oh one last thing. I wouldn't mind seeing RW start against Denver. RW took the high road last year while Peyton was taking cheap shots.
dmac37
Footballguy
Both QB's seemed to have a good Thursday.
www.behindthesteelcurtain.com
Justin Fields & Russell Wilson shine on Day 7 of Steelers’ camp, highlight biggest winners of the day
The Steelers’ signal callers are looking good
www.behindthesteelcurtain.com
BLOCKED_PUNT
Footballguy
When Milwaukee gets a team this should be their name.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
And with the added element of his legs, he’s quite the weapon if they can coach him out of some bad habits learned through his struggles in CHI.
It’s really the perfect landing spot for him. I’m getting more and mote optimistic that he’s going to have value as soon as this season. Nice late dart throw in redraft, too, if roster size allows for it.
Chaka
Footballguy
How do we feel about adding Artthur Smith as the OC? He got Tannehill to the two best years in his career in Tennessee, but he didn't exactly maximize the offensive talent during his stint in Atlanta.
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Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
It’s hard to say. I was extremely disappointed by his tenure in ATL (as a Bijan & Pitts shareholder, especially) but he’s had success in the past.
I’d say it’s TBD.
I think he's a hell of a lot better than Canada (or Getsy for Fields) was. I also think he gets a little too much blame with Atlanta. I think they just sucked too much at QB to really run any kind of successful offense. Both Wilson and Fields are huge upgrades from what Smith had in Atlanta the last 2 years.
Got Fields as a QB3 in a dynasty startup last weekend (behind Purdy/Goff) and wouldn't be shocked if he ended up being my QB1 if things break right.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Yeah, I agree with that assessment.
Chaka
Footballguy
As a Bijan manager last season, I'm not sure I agree. Ridder may have been a problem in Atlanta but it doesn't explain how poorly Bijan was deployed by Smith & Co.
massraider
Footballguy
The season long decision to run Pitts as a decoy, and feature Jonnu was fun as well.
But hey, good news for that Darnell Washington share I have!
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
But Bijan isn’t a QB. If anything Smith gives me more hope for Warren continuing his ascension.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
massraider
Footballguy
I DO think Smith was interesting in Atlanta last year. Maybe not a head coach, maybe not perfect. But he did some interesting stuff on offense.
If Fields is the QB, he's as good a choice for OC as I can think of.
msudaisy26
Footballguy
I think Fields would be fine for Pickens. Look at what he did for DJ Moore last season. I also think Fields helps the running game.
TheDirtyWord
Footballguy
I was always of the opinion that AS built his resume that got him the Atlanta HC job off the back of Derrick Henry's ability to break tackles. That said, it is true that peak Derrick Henry occurred under Smith's watch as OC.
A couple of things felled Smith IMO in Atlanta:
- A complete devaluing of the QB position. It's ironic that Fields and him are together. It's not beyond the realm of reason that if he'd drafted Fields instead of Pitts, he'd still be an HC.
- He was simply immature and not ready to be an HC. He got in so many pissing matches that seemed unnecessary and was ridiculously stubborn. That's on top of the fact that in all reality, he had two seasons as an OC after being a TE coach.
barackdhouse
Footballguy
we all hate his guts. forever no matter what.
massraider
Footballguy
Sure. But really, the QB upgrade is what matters.
These guys all get a lot smarter once they have a good QB for some reason
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
barackdhouse
Footballguy
agreed - I really have no idea how this is going to shake out now. i called fields as the week 1 starter a long long time ago but it's been nothing but negative reports ever since. until just recently.I DO think Smith was interesting in Atlanta last year. Maybe not a head coach, maybe not perfect. But he did some interesting stuff on offense.
If Fields is the QB, he's as good a choice for OC as I can think of.
I think Wilson is a cancer anymore but he also hasn't thrown a good deep ball since a couple years back when he hurt his finger and came back too soon. I think fundamentally I'm more pro-Fields than the average Bear and as a Pacific NW resident I'm jaded about Wilson.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I’ve long been on record that the things that made Wilson great are attributes he no longer possesses.agreed - I really have no idea how this is going to shake out now. i called fields as the week 1 starter a long long time ago but it's been nothing but negative reports ever since. until just recently.I DO think Smith was interesting in Atlanta last year. Maybe not a head coach, maybe not perfect. But he did some interesting stuff on offense.
If Fields is the QB, he's as good a choice for OC as I can think of.
I think Wilson is a cancer anymore but he also hasn't thrown a good deep ball since a couple years back when he hurt his finger and came back too soon. I think fundamentally I'm more pro-Fields than the average Bear and as a Pacific NW resident I'm jaded about Wilson.
At his best, he would go off-script when the pocket broke down, improvise, scramble around and buy time for his receivers to get open downfield. And he had a 6th sense about where they were going to be.
He’d extend drives with his legs as well.
Older, slower Wilson simply can’t evade faster LB & DE’s, so he gets dropped in the backfield.
He’s also a weird dude, kind of arrogant, and teammates have commented that he’s kind of odd. From what I’ve read/heard, he comes off as a little bit less than genuine, and rubs people the wrong way with the attitude that his poop doesn’t stink after throwing picks, which he seems to do much more of in his less mobile days.
I can see that Rubbing Tomlin the wrong way. Honestly the calf injury that allowed Fields to run with the 1s might just spell his end in PIT. I can easily see a scenario where based on the rapid improvements Fields has shown, the coaching staff envisions the growth yet to come and sees a potential superstar QB.
By contrast, what’s Wilson’s potential upside? Seems like he can only trend down from here.
They might still run out Wilson as the week 1 starter - totally concede that’s possible. But Fields has been turning heads in camp, making quick reads, making checkdowns, and generally impressing coaches & receivers with his accuracy.
It’s hard to put that genie back in the bottle.
greenmountaingoat
Footballguy
The hallmark of the Tannehill Titans offenses that were scoring points was running the ball well and passing with very high efficiency.
It still sticks in my mind that the goal line offense for the Titans was unstoppable back in the day. AJB/ Henry/ Tannehill running were just too dangerous a trio for teams to be able to stop. Between Fields, Najee/ Warren and Pickens/ Friermuth and a good OL, they can replicate that.
It's hard to gauge just how hamstrung he was - both in his ability to run a good offense as a HC vs an OC - and in his ability to adjust to qbs that didn't have "it". Late stage Matt Ryan should have been able to keep a couple of guys afloat. Clearly, he can scheme up some good running plays and with Tannehill, he was able to be very efficient downfield, especially off play action and especially in the middle of the field. Both of which I think Fields can do. One would hope that if AS can figure out how to score points with what he's been dealing with at QB, Fields would be a massive upgrade even with his deficiencies in decisiveness and accuracy at times.
I hope it's Fields because I have a share in one of these 14 teamers where QBs are hoarded!
It still sticks in my mind that the goal line offense for the Titans was unstoppable back in the day. AJB/ Henry/ Tannehill running were just too dangerous a trio for teams to be able to stop. Between Fields, Najee/ Warren and Pickens/ Friermuth and a good OL, they can replicate that.
It's hard to gauge just how hamstrung he was - both in his ability to run a good offense as a HC vs an OC - and in his ability to adjust to qbs that didn't have "it". Late stage Matt Ryan should have been able to keep a couple of guys afloat. Clearly, he can scheme up some good running plays and with Tannehill, he was able to be very efficient downfield, especially off play action and especially in the middle of the field. Both of which I think Fields can do. One would hope that if AS can figure out how to score points with what he's been dealing with at QB, Fields would be a massive upgrade even with his deficiencies in decisiveness and accuracy at times.
I hope it's Fields because I have a share in one of these 14 teamers where QBs are hoarded!
I was surprised to see him actually admit the other day his mistakes of basically building his offense on plays instead of players, of not properly leaning into his top skill players. Felt like he was a little to cocksure of himself, struck me as the kind of guy who thought the rest of the world was wrong. Was encouraging to hear from him and fwiw even before he said that I thought he was a really strong hire by the Steelers, good marriage of personnel and his philosophy.
TheDirtyWord
Footballguy
Who would have thought that everyone else was smarter than him? Big 180 from last year when he practically did press conferences naked while calling everyone else stupid as he planted 'decoy' stickers on 3 consecutive Top 10 skill position picks that he had a HUGE hand in making.
Meanwhile, no Falcon has notched 8 sacks since the 2017 season.
BLOCKED_PUNT
Footballguy
there's optimism and then there's this. No matter who starts at QB this will still be a run heavy offense. Even if Feilds starts, to think his numbers will be better than Purdy and Goff seems so out there to me.
it might be. Wilson was a big signing but it looks like hes not a big contract. sounds like denver paid him an awful lot of money to go away. so if he doesnt perform his job is fair game.I’ve long been on record that the things that made Wilson great are attributes he no longer possesses.agreed - I really have no idea how this is going to shake out now. i called fields as the week 1 starter a long long time ago but it's been nothing but negative reports ever since. until just recently.I DO think Smith was interesting in Atlanta last year. Maybe not a head coach, maybe not perfect. But he did some interesting stuff on offense.
If Fields is the QB, he's as good a choice for OC as I can think of.
I think Wilson is a cancer anymore but he also hasn't thrown a good deep ball since a couple years back when he hurt his finger and came back too soon. I think fundamentally I'm more pro-Fields than the average Bear and as a Pacific NW resident I'm jaded about Wilson.
At his best, he would go off-script when the pocket broke down, improvise, scramble around and buy time for his receivers to get open downfield. And he had a 6th sense about where they were going to be.
He’d extend drives with his legs as well.
Older, slower Wilson simply can’t evade faster LB & DE’s, so he gets dropped in the backfield.
He’s also a weird dude, kind of arrogant, and teammates have commented that he’s kind of odd. From what I’ve read/heard, he comes off as a little bit less than genuine, and rubs people the wrong way with the attitude that his poop doesn’t stink after throwing picks, which he seems to do much more of in his less mobile days.
I can see that Rubbing Tomlin the wrong way. Honestly the calf injury that allowed Fields to run with the 1s might just spell his end in PIT. I can easily see a scenario where based on the rapid improvements Fields has shown, the coaching staff envisions the growth yet to come and sees a potential superstar QB.
By contrast, what’s Wilson’s potential upside? Seems like he can only trend down from here.
They might still run out Wilson as the week 1 starter - totally concede that’s possible. But Fields has been turning heads in camp, making quick reads, making checkdowns, and generally impressing coaches & receivers with his accuracy.
It’s hard to put that genie back in the bottle.
but I agree. the Russell Wilson who was good in Seattle looks a whole lot thinner than the Russell Wilson of today. I noted that late last year. dude isnt the scrambling QB he was. for this reason a lot of athletic, running QB just seem to have a far shorter shelf life. they lose their athleticism and then they have to play like a drop back passer. sure some can make the transition, but most dont. lots get hurt. shelf life for this type of QB is likely until the age of 29 or 30. There is a long list of Running QB who phyisically broke down around this age. Cam Newton, Donovan McNabb (who played beyond 30 but was basically done by the time he hit 30) Michael vick, the list goes on. some dont even make it to that age. RG3 was done at a younger age than that. started getting hurt in his second season.
so if Fields balls out I do think he can take that job.
Fields was a top-5 QB in 2022 in another run heavy offense, that had a worse supporting cast than the 2024 Steelers.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Agreed - plus Fields FF value is tied to his legs & the ceiling of potentially having a 1000+ RuYd QB, passing volume be damned.
If he’s putting up numbers like he did in his glory days in CHI, who cares. I mean, other than Pickens owners, and IMO they’ll be fine too. DJM certainly did well.
And with the Steelers defense I could see them winning a lot more than Chicago did.
This is all the Pollyanna version of course. There’s also the version where Fields either doesn’t get a chance to start because Russ is cooking (unlikely, IMO) or Fields gets the chance and falls on his face (possible).
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BLOCKED_PUNT
Footballguy
so was Geno Smith. It's interesting in a way that Smith was qb5 in 2022 and Feilds was QB6 but in 2023 Smith was QB19 and Fields was QB18. Though to be fair, he was only 70ish points behind the 2 (Goff, Purdy) and so Fields would have only needed 18 points a game to top them in the 4 games he missed (he didn't play in 5 but assuming one of those is a bye) Purdy did sit out week 18 though so he could have more than 306.
I'm one of those folks that believe that the bears SHOULDN'T have gotten rid of Fields so it's not so much that I don't believe in him, it's that I'm a little incredulous to your idea that he would top Goff and Purdy.
BLOCKED_PUNT
Footballguy
Russ was still QB14 last year. I know fantasy football and real life football aren't an apple to apple comparison but the Steelers could do much worse than him. I mean, maybe they had intended to draft a rookie and Wilson was meant to be his "mentor" and then Fields fell into their lap and plans changed. But the other side of the coin is they went out there and got who they believed in (assuming that he was their first and only QB offer) . I still think that from the Steelers POV they'd like to play Wilson (assuming they are winning with him) to keep from having to pay the Bears a 4th and only intend to sprinkle a few Feilds rpo's in each game (maybe he'll start a game here or there). Of course, if the Steelers are struggling with Russ or his injury is nagging at him, they'll play him but my $$$$ is on Rudd is the intended starter.
Im not sure but you seem to be underestimating the impact of his rushing yds on fantasy points. I only say that because I found myself doing that for years. I always undervalued Cam. If healthy and the starter, I would expect Fields to outscore Goff and Purdy without much trouble. I think they are better QBs, but fantasy is fantasy and the NFL
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Maybe so, but it’s not like a 4th is a prohibitive cost if they believe Fields has significant upside to grow into,
Everyone knows what 35 y/o Russ is at this point.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
If healthy & the starter, Fields ceiling is “top 5 FF QB”. The rushing yards are insanely valuable.
Grahamburn
Footballguy
I doubt the pick will factor into their starter decision one bit. Especially if Fields wins the job outright and is playing well. If they can "fix" him a 4th round pick is nothing for a potential franchise QB.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Exactly.
Alex P Keaton
Footballguy
It certainly seems like an important part of being a good QBDoesn't that sound like the ultimate issue with most bad QBs?x.com
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I mean, I don't know a ton about football at this level (softball) but getting the ball out and making decisive reads seems pretty important, right?
TheDirtyWord
Footballguy
He's actually going to be a fascinating player to keep tabs on this draft season.
If he wins the starter job, he's a Top 5-6 FF QB. If he doesn't...his presence is still going to hang over the QB situation in PIT given the positive buzz to date. So if he ascends to the starter role, the Top 5-6 'thing' is still true which means he becomes a 100% of FAAB player.
And if it's seen as inevitable that he'll get starts this year, then why is he less valuable than say Justin Herbert now? Or ironically, even Caleb Williams?
If he wins the starter job, he's a Top 5-6 FF QB. If he doesn't...his presence is still going to hang over the QB situation in PIT given the positive buzz to date. So if he ascends to the starter role, the Top 5-6 'thing' is still true which means he becomes a 100% of FAAB player.
And if it's seen as inevitable that he'll get starts this year, then why is he less valuable than say Justin Herbert now? Or ironically, even Caleb Williams?
Max Power
Footballguy
I put a lot of blame on Getsy for JF's 2023 season. I don't think it can be ignored that the Bears went into a lot of "Safe" playcalling late in games and I think that was Getsy's way of limiting JFs potential mistakes.
Fields is going to flash brilliance, but he is also prone to bad plays and drive killing mistakes. Russ will be smarter and safer with the ball and that's what the NFL values more.
Fields is going to flash brilliance, but he is also prone to bad plays and drive killing mistakes. Russ will be smarter and safer with the ball and that's what the NFL values more.
