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QB Kyle McCord, PHI (2 Viewers)

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Kyle McCord is a 6'3", 218 lb. (31" arms and 9 1/2" hands) QB out of Syracuse who has trained with Jordan Palmer (Carson's brother) who gets around the NFL and is known by the clubs. Palmer's goal is to objectively evaluate QBs by using data points and sensors in footballs. He calls McCord one of the best quarterbacks he's ever worked with.

McCord blew away an intelligence test called the AIQ, which is based on the Cattell-Horn-Carroll theory of cognitive abilities. He also blew away Palmer's objective tests, and Palmer has worked with the likes of Patrick Mahomes and Matt Stafford.

Anyway, here's an interesting article in The Athletic.

www.nytimes.com

Is Kyle McCord an NFL Draft sleeper? QB guru Jordan Palmer thinks so — and he can prove it

Palmer is arguably the most respected voice on QBs in the game today, and he believes McCord is going to prove a lot of people wrong.
www.nytimes.com www.nytimes.com

Interesting notes from his teammates on his pro day

www.syracuse.com

At Pro Day, Syracuse QB Kyle McCord’s teammates invoke Tom Brady, gold jackets: ‘Slow your roll’

Kyle McCord's teammates weren't shy about offering praise as he looks to become the first Orange quarterback drafted since 2013.
www.syracuse.com www.syracuse.com

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He got so much vitriol at TOSU, about 15% of which was warranted. He missed a bunch of wide open throws to Harrison, it's true, but I think it was overly harsh. Ryan Day totally failed McCord not getting him garbage time behind Stroud especially in 2022 when it was obvious Stroud had command of the offense and didn't need the reps. I keep telling my Buckeye buddies McCord's story is not yet written but they are too busy h8ing. If he gets into a good fit I think he's got elite level potential - LAR would be amazing, SFO would be an intriguing hedge against Brock, and there are a bunch of hot-seat coaches I think could develop him if they survive his learning curve - CLE, TEN, NYG, MIA. Heck I'd love him with LVR but not sure how he'd fit in Kelly's system - if Chip buys off on him I'd be thrilled with it.
 
As I mentioned in Titans thread a while back-There's a strong Titans connection here.
Callahan and Palmer are friends.
Palmer is the coach Levis was assigned to work with.
It's noteworthy that Palmer is very impressed by McCord.
In the other interview a while back, whenever he said best most or some descriptive word-yes it meant than anyone else he's trained but that means Levis too.

So when the talk was Ward or Sheduer may not even be first pick and some saying may not even be first round, the latter seemed a bit much but Levis' name came up in a lot of discussions.

I think we're going to find this period was the best most honest evaluation of the QBs in this draft.

I don't think anyone is under the impression Levis is all great or this that. I think his off-season has looked like "ok maybe we've been too hard on the kid but he deserves his share of harshness."

So we all have a knowledge of Levis' qualities and it was like a perfect barometer.

Yesterday on the radio they were talking of Milton for a third. Huge arm, some mobility, does not have the cognitive concerns of some recent QB but there is some concern and growth that has to take place. He's pro ready. He showed it and some of these draft QBs are not. I chuckled to myself that's literally what that draft writer said a month ago just without the word Levis. Word for word probably too.
Long rant just I rrrreally think whatever evaluations were 4-6 weeks ago, it's going to be the most accurate.

McCord thread-
The intelligence is big. Younger guys don't know but wonder if used to be a thing and there's still some people that strongly value intelligence.
What I hear when people talk of McCord is a personal quality I appreciate. He is very comfortable with himself. He has absolutely zero qualms about saying he messed up and goes right to correcting his error and/or putting the work in.
One time he showed up w Palmer and Palmer had a list of what he saw and his coach saw that he needed to work on. Palmer tells the story that McCord had front and back of a piece of paper. The paper was folded and dirty and squeezing words in spots. He could tell this kid thought of this day n night and wrote anything that came to mind.
For me- diva WRs and other diva stuff, maybe NIL, maybe it's having coached some kids in little league, maybe it's bad young coworkers...idk what but oh my does all this speak to me.
If I were a GM, I wouldn't move McCord too much on my draft board but if it gets anywhere near a reasonable spot I'm definitely picking him. I'm not sure if the others learn well but I'm like 💯 confident he does.
There's soooo much for rookie QBs to adjust to at the NFL level and the way coaches speak about him or how Cosell n those types show progress on film...it really speaks to me
 
"His throw velocity is just average at best, which could significantly limit him at the next level. His lack of athleticism and arm strength will force him to be nearly perfect with his timing. His velocity won't allow him to be late with throws, and he doesn’t have the scrambling ability to get out of the pocket and extend plays. It pigeonholes him into being a precise pocket passer who has to play with exceptional timing."

That Athletic article and Jordan Palmer would massively disagree with this. The whole point of that profile was about his IQ and arm strength.
 
"that kid from Syracuse" was something I heard a bunch maybe in September? October?

It took me a bit to associate that's McCord.

I wonder if others were the same because he went from meh to intriguing prospect very fast.

The college diehards all knew him and OSU, I mean the rest of us.
 
rockaction said:
"His throw velocity is just average at best, which could significantly limit him at the next level. His lack of athleticism and arm strength will force him to be nearly perfect with his timing. His velocity won't allow him to be late with throws, and he doesn’t have the scrambling ability to get out of the pocket and extend plays. It pigeonholes him into being a precise pocket passer who has to play with exceptional timing."

That Athletic article and Jordan Palmer would massively disagree with this. The whole point of that profile was about his IQ and arm strength.
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I'm not comfortable with arm strength criticisms this time of year.
Last year was Milton but I can remember plenty of yammering where I thought are we actually pretending they're gonna throw 50 yard strikes every snap?
I've watched a good amount of McCord critique videos and it's more discomfort. I'm hollering at the screen that the guy is literally saying he can't make this type of throw as he makes that very type of throw.

The better draft review guys are pointing out he doesn't do it right. He needs to throw harder, float it, throw to sideline, throw it low...I can see that. He's a bit off on which situation commands which type throw.
 
Bri said:
rockaction said:
"His throw velocity is just average at best, which could significantly limit him at the next level. His lack of athleticism and arm strength will force him to be nearly perfect with his timing. His velocity won't allow him to be late with throws, and he doesn’t have the scrambling ability to get out of the pocket and extend plays. It pigeonholes him into being a precise pocket passer who has to play with exceptional timing."

That Athletic article and Jordan Palmer would massively disagree with this. The whole point of that profile was about his IQ and arm strength.
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I'm not comfortable with arm strength criticisms this time of year.
Last year was Milton but I can remember plenty of yammering where I thought are we actually pretending they're gonna throw 50 yard strikes every snap?
I've watched a good amount of McCord critique videos and it's more discomfort. I'm hollering at the screen that the guy is literally saying he can't make this type of throw as he makes that very type of throw.

The better draft review guys are pointing out he doesn't do it right. He needs to throw harder, float it, throw to sideline, throw it low...I can see that. He's a bit off on which situation commands which type throw.
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So he needs...coaching?

I watched him for about a half of a game this year. My impression was, "hey, this kid has some skills". I thought he had a starters "presence" anyway.
 
Andy Dufresne said:
Bri said:
rockaction said:
"His throw velocity is just average at best, which could significantly limit him at the next level. His lack of athleticism and arm strength will force him to be nearly perfect with his timing. His velocity won't allow him to be late with throws, and he doesn’t have the scrambling ability to get out of the pocket and extend plays. It pigeonholes him into being a precise pocket passer who has to play with exceptional timing."

That Athletic article and Jordan Palmer would massively disagree with this. The whole point of that profile was about his IQ and arm strength.
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I'm not comfortable with arm strength criticisms this time of year.
Last year was Milton but I can remember plenty of yammering where I thought are we actually pretending they're gonna throw 50 yard strikes every snap?
I've watched a good amount of McCord critique videos and it's more discomfort. I'm hollering at the screen that the guy is literally saying he can't make this type of throw as he makes that very type of throw.

The better draft review guys are pointing out he doesn't do it right. He needs to throw harder, float it, throw to sideline, throw it low...I can see that. He's a bit off on which situation commands which type throw.
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So he needs...coaching?

I watched him for about a half of a game this year. My impression was, "hey, this kid has some skills". I thought he had a starters "presence" anyway.
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Yeah and he's really receptive to it so for me it's "who cares. Let's work with that."
 
Joe Montana was rated 6.5 out of 9.0 when he was entering the draft.
His report said "he can thread the needle but stays with his primary receiver too often and will force the ball into a crowd when he doesn't need to. He's a gutty gambling type without great tools who could eventually start" Phil Simms,Steve Fuller and Jack Thompson were all drafted ahead of Montana. Forgive me if i take any scouting report on any college prospect with a grain of salt.
I'm not saying Kyle McCord will be the next Joe Montana,but I still think he will be steal whenever he is drafted.
 
Pip's Invitation said:
Ruffrodys05 said:
Pip's Invitation said:
Hurts-McKee-McCord

QB Factory
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Nah, I see no QB factory in Philly. I would ask, Since when? Kinda surprised you think so @Pip's Invitation . Unless of course you are just being sarcastic here.
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It’s a reference to comments from when they used a 2nd round pick on Hurts despite having signed Wentz to a big deal.
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In general, it is a bit odd to call an NFL franchise a QB factory. The Packers have a nice streak going of QBs drafted/acquired young who turned into strong to HOF level players. But there were so many organizational changes over those decades that I'm not sure what it means to assign the success to the organization. I suppose we are saying that it is some kind of organizational philosophy that is given priority when hiring new GMs, coaches, coordinators, etc and so it transcends everything else?

But yeah, Pip nailed the reference. Philly fans used QB factory and Gold standard in a tongue-in-cheek way for awhile. Some credit is deserved though as the Eagles have made both QB2 and QB3 a priority with regard to draft picks and free agent signings for a number of years. I wouldn't call it a factory. But, not all teams think of backup QBs as something significantly more than clipboard holders.

ETA: I'm intrigued by McCord. I liked Day 3 of the Eagles draft better than Day 2.
 
Ruffrodys05 said:
Pip's Invitation said:
Hurts-McKee-McCord

QB Factory
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Nah, I see no QB factory in Philly. I would ask, Since when? Kinda surprised you think so @Pip's Invitation . Unless of course you are just being sarcastic here.
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Its more on the nature of the Eagles developing then later trading players for value.

1999 Traded Rodney Peete for a 6th (WAS)
1999 Traded Bobby Hoying for a 6th (RAIDERS)
2004 Traded AJ Feeley For a 2nd (MIA)
2007 Traded Kelly Holcomb for a 6 (MN)
2010 Traded Donovan McNabb (I literally felt an Earthquake in SoCal that day lol) to WAS for 37th overall pick and a 4th
2011 Traded Kevin Kolb for 51st overall and Dominique Rodgers Cromartie (AZ)
2015 Traded Nick Foles and a 2nd for Sam Bradford
2015 Traded Matt Barkley for a 7th (AZ)
2016 Traded Mark Sanchez for a conditional 7. Conditions never met tho
2016 Traded Sam Bradford for a 2017 1st(14th overall) and a 2018 4th
2021 Traded Carson Wentz to the Colts for a conditional 2nd-round pick that became a 2022 1st-round pick [No. 16 overall] and a 2021 3rd-round pick [No. 70 overall]
2021 Traded Joe Flacco to the Jets for a conditional 6
2025 Traded Kenny Picket for a 5th and Dorian Thompson Robinson


Tanner Mckee assuredly will be the next in this long line of success (For the Eagles that is) of flipping QBs at the Good Ole Quarterback Factory!
 
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