QB match ups week 2 (1 Viewer)

[Ministry of Pain]

In the off season I wrote a thread on the real difference between certain QBs which could be applied to other positions but QB is easiest because in most leagues you are playing or pitting 1 QB against the other. I know start 2 QB leagues exist but they aren't the norm. Whereas you get a trio of WRs that you have to start most weeks so if 1 WR were to get 10-15 more points across the board over the weekly avg, it doesn't always mean the same because it can be overcome by the entire group of WR.

Let me explain before we discuss match ups this week.

Last week in most redraft leagues where you only start 1 QB, these 15 were the most likely to be in your starting line up. I play in mostly 6 pt passing TD leagues, 1/20 pass and I realize that some of you score it differently but in many leagues the 15 QBs looked something like this with point totals.

P.Manning-39

T.Brady-30

J.Cutler-28

C.Palmer-28

P.Rivers-27

E.Manning-25

T.Romo-20

A.Rodgers-18

D.Brees-17

B.Favre-12

M.Ryan-11

D.McNabb-10

M.Schaub-9

M.Stafford-2…injury obviously

K.Kolb-1…again injury played a part.



Sure David Garrard had 27 points but what % of owners started him last week? My guess is very few. So I try and look at what realistically was started last week. Many of you were in the hole because you faced Peyton. Romo vs Peyton was a +19 or -19 swing depending on which one you had. Peyton vs Rodgers, Brees, Schaub…that was an even bigger swing for owners. Now it can be overcome of course. If the Brees owner had Arian Foster going up against the Peyton Manning owner then certainly you even things up quickly. But like I say all the time, it's a handful of players that really make the difference. People ask me what the point of this is and I like to look at what really happens week to week and I am going to try my best to continue this if possible throughout the season. People like to say David Garrard is a decent fantasy option and they might be right but his points last week did very little for owners because most folks didn't play him. If it happened in week 5, 8, or 10 to cover bye weeks it has a bigger impact.



Let's look at this week.



Studs with good match ups…

P.Rivers – WRs or no WRs this guy is showing every week he plays why eventually he is going to win a Super Bowl. He had the fire last week of a Dan Marino who I know didn't win a ring himself but the competitive spirit of Rivers was nice to see. He was on his entire team to pick their game up and I enjoyed it. He should chew thru Jax in better weather this week.

Peyton Manning – More than the team you have to like him in primetime and with more weapons and Indy's defense not being great you almost assume 300/2-3TDs a week. He is going ot look like a 2nd round bargain if he keeps this up.

Matt Schaub – Romo was moving the ball and I expect Schaub to have a lot more stats this week. 250/2TDs.

Aaron Rodgers – Only thing that might stop him is when the game gets out of hand.



Studs with slightly tougher match ups…no reason to bench them however…

Drew Brees – San Fran was better than that score last week. I think they will be very focused at home and while I love New Orleans I could see an ambush this week. Nate Clements limits about half the field.

Tony Romo – Chicago has a decent pass rush and their defense is getting no credit in the betting line this week. I think the game could be a little closer than many anticipate.

Tom Brady – He'll have to throw and might find success but he shouldn't be a candidate for top5 this week.



Again those 7 QBs will be on every roster where guys own them. But again, the Manning vs Schaub outcome which happened in many leagues was a 30 point swing for some owners. Not saying there is much you could do about it either but the nonsense that there is little difference in QBs down the board is silly IMO. Maybe this week the tables will be turned but so far Schaub, is finishing well behind in this top7 group and Rodgers, Brees, and Romo are about avg.



Strong match ups…

Brett Favre – I think the WR situation is going to make owners leery but on paper he should have a field day against the Miami DBs…but with no true WR1, Miami could even things out and Favre could have another subpar day.

Matt Ryan – Will face an Arizona team that made Bradford look Pro Bowl ready his 1st game in the NFL. They will have to respect the pass more this week or they will get burned. That should free up Turner and once that happens they will try and lock that down, then the passing lanes should be wide open as the game progresses into the 2nd half. 200+yds and 1-2 TDs this week.

M.Vick – 150+ passing, 50+ rushing, 1-2 TDs…has a chance fo rtop10-12 territory this week. Fast track inside the dome too.

Kyle Orton – Seattle is terrible on the road and I expect another solid performance form Orton.

D.McNabb – Houston was lit up for 425+ yds in the passing game last week but they were well ahead in the game too. McNabb doesn't have as many weapons to hurt Houston but some owners may have to play McNabb who paired him with Kolb or Stafford; that seems like a likely scenario.



Tough match ups…

Derek Anderson – Atlanta is not going to be a fun place for him.

Eli Manning – The Giants are going to try and run the ball plus Indy is good against the pass, has a good pass rush, and generally are more open to losing a game because of their rush defense. I think Eli will have pedestrian numbers this week.

David Garrard – SD held KC to 3 and outs all game except a couple of plays and Cassel had less than 70 yds passing. Garrard is notorious for bad road games, and flying cross country to San Diego doesn't help.

Vince Young – Pittsburgh, enough said.

Chad Henne – Shouldn't even be an option

Jay Cutler – I know many are going to start him but I feel Dallas will show some of the flaws in this offense when they come into town this week. I'm not saying bench the guy but nothing close to top5 numbers again, right?

Joe Flacco – Tom Brady was able to pass thru this defense but I think Flacco might have a little more difficulty.

Carson Palmer – Gonna be a long day.



Guys you don't want to start good or bad match up.

Josh Freeman

Matt Cassel

Shaun Hill

Trent Edwards

Dennis Dixon

Sam Bradford

Jason Campbell

Mark Sanchez

Cleveland QB

Carolina QB

There may be a guy or two on this list that you say "Wait a minute MOP…" I understand Bradford looked good last week but are you going to start him over any of the top7 I went over? No, and most that have other options are going to look there. Bradford was mostly taken in leagues where folks took a top QB as he was available very late.



Let's hear you!

 

[Restricted]

Dang, I was looking for Hasselbeck. After Garrard put decent yardage and 3TD against the Broncos I was wondering if it was time to bump their pass D down a bit, even with Baily.

 

[Card Trader]

Made Bradford look probowl ready

 

[Sweetness_34]

I think Palmer will have a much better day than what you have. THat Baltimore secondary is garbage. Mark Sanchez and the Jets are just awful and hence could not exploit it. Palmer has Ocho, TO and Gresham to exploit this match up. Also, Cincy will be motivated since they have high hopes this year and they do not want to start off 0-2.

 

[ScottyDog]

Garrard lit up Denver, I don't see why a healthy resurgent Hasselbeck can't do the same.

In the off season I wrote a thread on the real difference between certain QBs which could be applied to other positions but QB is easiest because in most leagues you are playing or pitting 1 QB against the other. I know start 2 QB leagues exist but they aren’t the norm. Whereas you get a trio of WRs that you have to start most weeks so if 1 WR were to get 10-15 more points across the board over the weekly avg, it doesn’t always mean the same because it can be overcome by the entire group of WR.

Let me explain before we discuss match ups this week.

Last week in most redraft leagues where you only start 1 QB, these 15 were the most likely to be in your starting line up. I play in mostly 6 pt passing TD leagues, 1/20 pass and I realize that some of you score it differently but in many leagues the 15 QBs looked something like this with point totals.

P.Manning-39

T.Brady-30

J.Cutler-28

C.Palmer-28

P.Rivers-27

E.Manning-25

T.Romo-20

A.Rodgers-18

D.Brees-17

B.Favre-12

M.Ryan-11

D.McNabb-10

M.Schaub-9

M.Stafford-2…injury obviously

K.Kolb-1…again injury played a part.



Sure David Garrard had 27 points but what % of owners started him last week? My guess is very few. So I try and look at what realistically was started last week. Many of you were in the hole because you faced Peyton. Romo vs Peyton was a +19 or -19 swing depending on which one you had. Peyton vs Rodgers, Brees, Schaub…that was an even bigger swing for owners. Now it can be overcome of course. If the Brees owner had Arian Foster going up against the Peyton Manning owner then certainly you even things up quickly. But like I say all the time, it’s a handful of players that really make the difference. People ask me what the point of this is and I like to look at what really happens week to week and I am going to try my best to continue this if possible throughout the season. People like to say David Garrard is a decent fantasy option and they might be right but his points last week did very little for owners because most folks didn’t play him. If it happened in week 5, 8, or 10 to cover bye weeks it has a bigger impact.



Let’s look at this week.



Studs with good match ups…

P.Rivers – WRs or no WRs this guy is hsowing every week he plays why eventually he is going to win a Super Bowl. He had the fire last week of a Dan Marino who I know didn’t win a ring himself but the competitive spirit of Rivers was nice to see. He was on his entire team to pick their game up and I enjoyed it. He should chew thru Jax in better weather this week.

Peyton Manning – More than the team you have to like him in primetime and with more weapons and Indy’s defense not being great you almost assume 300/2-3TDs a week. He is going ot look like a 2nd round bargain if he keeps this up.

Matt Schaub – Romo was moving the ball and I expect Schaub to have a lot more stats this week. 250/2TDs.

Aaron Rodgers – Only thing that might stop him is when the game gets out of hand.



Studs with slightly tougher match ups…no reason to bench them however…

Drew Brees – San Fran was better than that score last week. I think they will be very focused at home and while I love New Orleans I could see an ambush this week. Nate Clements limits about half the field.

Tony Romo – Chicago has a decent pass rush and their defense is getting no credit in the betting line this week. I think the game could be a little closer than many anticipate.

Tom Brady – He’ll have to throw and might find success but he shouldn’t be a candidate for top5 this week.



Again those 7 QBs will be on every roster where guys own them. But again, the Manning vs Schaub outcome which happened in many leagues was a 30 point swing for some owners. Not saying there is much you could do about it either but the nonsense that there is little difference in QBs down the board is silly IMO. Maybe this week the tables will be turned but so far Schaub, is finishing well behind in this top7 group and Rodgers, Brees, and Romo are about avg.



Strong match ups…

Brett Favre – I think the WR situation is going to make owners leery but on paper he should have a field day against the Miami DBs…but with no true WR1, Miami could even things out and Favre could have another subpar day.

Matt Ryan – Will face an Arizona team that made Bradford look Pro Bowl ready his 1st game in the NFL. They will have to respect the pass more this week or they will get burned. That should free up Turner and once that happens they will try and lock that down, then the passing lanes should be wide open as the game progresses into the 2nd half. 200+yds and 1-2 TDs this week.

M.Vick – 150+ passing, 50+ rushing, 1-2 TDs…has a chance fo rtop10-12 territory this week. Fast track inside the dome too.

Kyle Orton – Seattle is terrible on the road and I expect another solid performance form Orton.

D.McNabb – Houston was lit up for 425+ yds in the passing game last week but they were well ahead in the game too. McNabb doesn’t have as many weapons to hurt Houston but some owners may have to play McNabb who paired him with Kolb or Stafford; that seems like a likely scenario.



Tough match ups…

Derek Anderson – Atlanta is not going to be a fun place for him.

Eli Manning – The Giants are going to try and run the ball plus Indy is good against the pass, has a good pass rush, and generally are more open to losing a game because of their rush defense. I think Eli will have pedestrian numbers this week.

David Garrard – SD held KC to 3 and outs all game except a couple of plays and Cassel had less than 70 yds passing. Garrard is notorious for bad road games, and flying cross country to San Diego doesn’t help.

Vince Young – Pittsburgh, enough said.

Chad Henne – Shouldn’t even be an option

Jay Cutler – I know many are going to start him but I feel Dallas will show some of the flaws in this offense when they come into town this week. I’m not saying bench the guy but nothing close to top5 numbers again, right?

Joe Flacco – Tom Brady was able to pass thru this defense but I think Flacco might have a little more difficulty.

Carson Palmer – Gonna be a long day.



Guys you don’t want to start good or bad match up.

Josh Freeman

Matt Cassel

Shaun Hill

Trent Edwards

Dennis Dixon

Sam Bradford

Jason Campbell

Mark Sanchez

Cleveland QB

Carolina QB

There may be a guy or two on this list that you say “Wait a minute MOP…” I understand Bradford looked good last week but are you going to start him over any of the top7 I went over? No, and most that have other options are going to look there. Bradford was mostly taken in leagues where folks took a top QB as he was available very late.



Let’s hear you!

 

[Ministry of Pain]

I think Palmer will have a much better day than what you have. THat Baltimore secondary is garbage. Mark Sanchez and the Jets are just awful and hence could not exploit it. Palmer has Ocho, TO and Gresham to exploit this match up. Also, Cincy will be motivated since they have high hopes this year and they do not want to start off 0-2.

I didn't put him in red but you are correct that New York didn't even try to test it out. Cinci has to or they have no shot at winning the game. Many feel Palmer cannot throw it down the field anymore, I guess we are going to find out this week.

 

[DaWidowMaker]

I agree with the Jay Cutler scenario as I think the Dallas D is going to come out breathing fire and D.Ware could break the sack record seriously (D.Thomas 7). I know I'm a homer but I also have Jay Cutler backed up by M.Ryan. Needless to say Ryan will get the nod for me. Good write up MOP as usual.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Garrard lit up Denver, I don't see why a healthy resurgent Hasselbeck can't do the same.

I definitely understand that take but Seattle has just been abysmal on the road. Also the game last week in reality, Seattle should not have won. They were being dominated early with long drives of 6:00, 9:00, 6:00 by SF but all they had to show for it was 2 FGs, then an interception return, another interception for a short field...things snowballed but Seattle's offense was rather bland. Denver knows they can't really run the football so I look for Champ and crew to shut the passing lanes down.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Made Bradford look probowl ready

"I'm here all week"

 

[underdogger]

Minor quibble, but I like Eli this week. No Bob Sanders. You better believe that INDY's rush D will come out ready to stop the run. I see this game as a shoot out between the 2 brothers. Indy's pass D was middle of the pack last year. I am starting Eli and expecting 250 pass yds and 2 TD. That like a solid 17-18 pts in my lg

 

[Ignoratio Elenchi]

So where's this QB matrix? Do I have to swallow a red pill or something?

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Minor quibble, but I like Eli this week. No Bob Sanders. You better believe that INDY's rush D will come out ready to stop the run. I see this game as a shoot out between the 2 brothers. Indy's pass D was middle of the pack last year. I am starting Eli and expecting 250 pass yds and 2 TD. That like a solid 17-18 pts in my lg

I didn't red light him, so he has a chance for stats, but I think NY will try and establish the run. The way to beat the Colts seems to be either control the clock or a short ball control passing attack. The wildcard in this is I don't think NY will be very successful in establishing the run and then Indy will jump up on them and make them one dimensional thus the pass rush can pin their ears back at that point. That's my take.

 

[Tigerbot Hesh]

So where's this QB matrix? Do I have to swallow a red pill or something?

Unfortunately, no one can be told what the Matrix is. You have to see it for yourself.

 

[Clifford]

I think Palmer will have a much better day than what you have. THat Baltimore secondary is garbage. Mark Sanchez and the Jets are just awful and hence could not exploit it. Palmer has Ocho, TO and Gresham to exploit this match up. Also, Cincy will be motivated since they have high hopes this year and they do not want to start off 0-2.

Plus Palmer has fared well against them in the past when healthy. I am obviously alone in this but I feel Freeman has real breakout potential this year. No I wouldn't start him over any of the top 10 obviously but for people who waited on QBs (I did and ended up with Stafford and Henne) I think he's a good WW add this week.I also think you are grossly exaggerating Clement's ability.

 

[underdogger]

Minor quibble, but I like Eli this week. No Bob Sanders. You better believe that INDY's rush D will come out ready to stop the run. I see this game as a shoot out between the 2 brothers. Indy's pass D was middle of the pack last year. I am starting Eli and expecting 250 pass yds and 2 TD. That like a solid 17-18 pts in my lg

I didn't red light him, so he has a chance for stats, but I think NY will try and establish the run. The way to beat the Colts seems to be either control the clock or a short ball control passing attack. The wildcard in this is I don't think NY will be very successful in establishing the run and then Indy will jump up on them and make them one dimensional thus the pass rush can pin their ears back at that point. That's my take.

I agree completely with the bolded which is why I feel Eli will be nice this week. Low end QB 1. Indy's pass D was middle of the pack last year. Nothing really that jumps out to me among their corners. Lacey and etc. Those are very young guys. And I definitely give the edge to the Giants young WR's in Nicks and Smith. Should be a great game to watch and I hope its broadcasted nationally

 

[NeverEnough]

No Hass?!

 

[Ministry of Pain]

No Hass?!

I miss one a week, last week it was Jason Campbell...this is nothing like the RB thread. I just like to see what owners are doing. Hass...road games for Seattle are not good.

 

[footballnerd]

Good article MOP!

I like The Hass tho

 

[Robo35]

So who would u guys start this wk Orton or Cutler? 6 pt td

 

[elshagon]

I have Eli and Orton, and although I like Orton's matchup better I just can't get myself to pull the trigger and start him over Eli. With Sanders out, and Indy trying harder to stop the run I think there will be opportunities with all their receivers. Houston didn't throw because of the early lead they got and the fact they could run all over Indy. In a tigther matchup things may have panned out differently. I think Indy will come out fired up and score often forcing the Giants to do the same. We'll see!

 

[underdogger]

I have Eli and Orton, and although I like Orton's matchup better I just can't get myself to pull the trigger and start him over Eli. With Sanders out, and Indy trying harder to stop the run I think there will be opportunities with all their receivers. Houston didn't throw because of the early lead they got and the fact they could run all over Indy. In a tigther matchup things may have panned out differently. I think Indy will come out fired up and score often forcing the Giants to do the same. We'll see!

Did you really just take a line that I posted almost verbatim above and paste it as your own? Geezus, the irony or plagarism

 

[elshagon]

I have Eli and Orton, and although I like Orton's matchup better I just can't get myself to pull the trigger and start him over Eli. With Sanders out, and Indy trying harder to stop the run I think there will be opportunities with all their receivers. Houston didn't throw because of the early lead they got and the fact they could run all over Indy. In a tigther matchup things may have panned out differently. I think Indy will come out fired up and score often forcing the Giants to do the same. We'll see!

Did you really just take a line that I posted almost verbatim above and paste it as your own? Geezus, the irony or plagarism

Didn't even read your post, just that of the OP

 

[Da Man]

Excellent write up MOP...you are Da man!!

 

[Tanner9919]

looking at the Vegas lines for week 2, something that jumps out at me is Balt -2.5 vs. Cincy 40 o/u

that just screams potential HUGE game from Carson Palmer, as the Ravens run defense is lethal and Benson will have a tough go of it..

the Washington/Hou o/u is 43.5, so they're expecting a lot of scoring! This probably means McNabb and Co have a big day , as well as Shaub and AJ!

same is true for Giants/Colts (-5), 48 o/u..sounds like they expect the Colts to put a lot of pts on the board which could make Eli a great play as the Giants will likely have to abandon the run at some point and pass more frequently..

 

[pecorino]

i'm starting Eli over Jay Cutler without confidence. but the dallas defense at home scares me. i'm hoping for a manning shootout, too.

 

[NoCheese]

quote]

I agree completely with the bolded which is why I feel Eli will be nice this week. Low end QB 1. Indy's pass D was middle of the pack last year. Nothing really that jumps out to me among their corners. Lacey and etc. Those are very young guys. And I definitely give the edge to the Giants young WR's in Nicks and Smith. Should be a great game to watch and I hope its broadcasted nationally

Rumor is that they may play on Sunday night on NBC but I haven't been able to confirm this.

 

[Stealthycat]

Where does Alex Smith SFO rank? With Crabtree/TE Davis/RB Gore what do you forsee in his weekend?

 

[abe froman]

looking at the Vegas lines for week 2, something that jumps out at me is Balt -2.5 vs. Cincy 40 o/uthat just screams potential HUGE game from Carson Palmer, as the Ravens run defense is lethal and Benson will have a tough go of it..the Washington/Hou o/u is 43.5, so they're expecting a lot of scoring! This probably means McNabb and Co have a big day , as well as Shaub and AJ!same is true for Giants/Colts (-5), 48 o/u..sounds like they expect the Colts to put a lot of pts on the board which could make Eli a great play as the Giants will likely have to abandon the run at some point and pass more frequently..

Benson is one of a very few that has a good history vs. BAL run D. That said if I was a betting man Id take the under

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Where does Alex Smith SFO rank? With Crabtree/TE Davis/RB Gore what do you forsee in his weekend?

I would think San Fran wants to shorten the game up. Last week they controlled things early with 3 different long drives in the 1st half but only were able to produce 2 FGs. New Orleans has a better pass defense than rush defense IMHO so Mike is no dummy he'll run the ball as much as possible. Smith could see 200/TD, I wouldn't expect a ton form him this week. If San Fran is getting whacked than he might have more garbage time stats but I really think this will be a close tight game.

 

[seahawk 17]

Garrard lit up Denver, I don't see why a healthy resurgent Hasselbeck can't do the same.

I definitely understand that take but Seattle has just been abysmal on the road. Also the game last week in reality, Seattle should not have won. They were being dominated early with long drives of 6:00, 9:00, 6:00 by SF but all they had to show for it was 2 FGs, then an interception return, another interception for a short field...things snowballed but Seattle's offense was rather bland. Denver knows they can't really run the football so I look for Champ and crew to shut the passing lanes down.

I love your posts but the bolded part above is a pretty dumb thing to say after a 31-6 ### kicking... Hass finished the game with 3 TD'S, completed 78.3% of his passes, and even throwing a INT finished the game with a 108.3 QB rating.

The Seattle run game sucks, not the the offense as a whole... Hasselbeck is way undervalued.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Garrard lit up Denver, I don't see why a healthy resurgent Hasselbeck can't do the same.

I definitely understand that take but Seattle has just been abysmal on the road. Also the game last week in reality, Seattle should not have won. They were being dominated early with long drives of 6:00, 9:00, 6:00 by SF but all they had to show for it was 2 FGs, then an interception return, another interception for a short field...things snowballed but Seattle's offense was rather bland. Denver knows they can't really run the football so I look for Champ and crew to shut the passing lanes down.

I love your posts but the bolded part above is a pretty dumb thing to say after a 31-6 ### kicking... Hass finished the game with 3 TD'S, completed 78.3% of his passes, and even throwing a INT finished the game with a 108.3 QB rating.

The Seattle run game sucks, not the the offense as a whole... Hasselbeck is way undervalued.

Did San Fran control the action for most of the 1st half? Did Alex Smith turn into Robin Hood? You're a fan of Seattle and I respect that but is there even a slim chance you are looking at things with rose colored glasses? If San Fran had finished off their drives you all would have been down pretty big. Seattle was not manhandling the Niners early in that game, I'm sorry. Let's see what Hass does on the road this week with no running game. I hope you're not upset, but I try to look at things objectively.

 

[Saint]

MOP ---

Usually I am in agreement with most of your thoughts... the only one that I am not too sold on is Jason Campbell. Did he have a rough outing against TN, absolutely. Is TN's D much better than what he is facing in the next couple of weeks? Absolutely.

I see Campbell as a solid sleeper start this week. He is going up againt STL who gave up 297 yds to Anderson (who was missing the broad side of a barn last week) and then he is going up against AZ a week later who gave up 250+ yds to Bradford. While OAK has their issues, they are vastly improved from last year's position with their passing game.

I can see Campbell continuing the garbage yards to McFadden and getting Murphy more in the game this week when the pass rush isn't nearly as bad.

I wouldn't start him over QB1-7 obviously, but I wouldn't be surprised to see him put up low-end QB1 numbers this week and next week.

Of course I could be eating crow by Sunday night, but hey, aren't we all at some point or another!

 

[PatsFanCT]

Garrard lit up Denver, I don't see why a healthy resurgent Hasselbeck can't do the same.

I definitely understand that take but Seattle has just been abysmal on the road. Also the game last week in reality, Seattle should not have won. They were being dominated early with long drives of 6:00, 9:00, 6:00 by SF but all they had to show for it was 2 FGs, then an interception return, another interception for a short field...things snowballed but Seattle's offense was rather bland. Denver knows they can't really run the football so I look for Champ and crew to shut the passing lanes down.

I love your posts but the bolded part above is a pretty dumb thing to say after a 31-6 ### kicking... Hass finished the game with 3 TD'S, completed 78.3% of his passes, and even throwing a INT finished the game with a 108.3 QB rating.

The Seattle run game sucks, not the the offense as a whole... Hasselbeck is way undervalued.

I love your posts too, and hate when the haters come in and rip you for your predictions, but really, that comment was nuts.

 

[seahawk 17]

Garrard lit up Denver, I don't see why a healthy resurgent Hasselbeck can't do the same.

I definitely understand that take but Seattle has just been abysmal on the road. Also the game last week in reality, Seattle should not have won. They were being dominated early with long drives of 6:00, 9:00, 6:00 by SF but all they had to show for it was 2 FGs, then an interception return, another interception for a short field...things snowballed but Seattle's offense was rather bland. Denver knows they can't really run the football so I look for Champ and crew to shut the passing lanes down.

I love your posts but the bolded part above is a pretty dumb thing to say after a 31-6 ### kicking... Hass finished the game with 3 TD'S, completed 78.3% of his passes, and even throwing a INT finished the game with a 108.3 QB rating.

The Seattle run game sucks, not the the offense as a whole... Hasselbeck is way undervalued.

Did San Fran control the action for most of the 1st half? Did Alex Smith turn into Robin Hood? You're a fan of Seattle and I respect that but is there even a slim chance you are looking at things with rose colored glasses? If San Fran had finished off their drives you all would have been down pretty big. Seattle was not manhandling the Niners early in that game, I'm sorry. Let's see what Hass does on the road this week with no running game. I hope you're not upset, but I try to look at things objectively.

You're making a thread about QB's...Hasselbeck is a viable FF starter this week against the Broncos based on his OWN performance last week.I am a fan but still based in reality. The o-line sucks, the running game is so bad I want to hang myself, and the WR's are young and unproven. With that being said, the defense will end top 10 in the league and the coaching staff appears to be the real deal. Yes Seattle looked like they were in for a long day during the first half, but the defense played lights out and the offense got on track. Good teams make adjustments and win games, that's what Seattle did.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

MOP ---Usually I am in agreement with most of your thoughts... the only one that I am not too sold on is Jason Campbell. Did he have a rough outing against TN, absolutely. Is TN's D much better than what he is facing in the next couple of weeks? Absolutely.I see Campbell as a solid sleeper start this week. He is going up againt STL who gave up 297 yds to Anderson (who was missing the broad side of a barn last week) and then he is going up against AZ a week later who gave up 250+ yds to Bradford. While OAK has their issues, they are vastly improved from last year's position with their passing game.I can see Campbell continuing the garbage yards to McFadden and getting Murphy more in the game this week when the pass rush isn't nearly as bad.I wouldn't start him over QB1-7 obviously, but I wouldn't be surprised to see him put up low-end QB1 numbers this week and next week.Of course I could be eating crow by Sunday night, but hey, aren't we all at some point or another!

 

[packersfan]

Hasselbeck is a viable FF starter this week against the Broncos based on his OWN performance last week.

I agree. Denver's secondary other than Bailey looked pretty bad against a very mediocre QB in Garrard. Granted, Garrard tends to play well at home but there's nothing special about his game or the Jags' receivers other than Sims-Walker (who Bailey shut out). The Seahawks have some depth in the passing game and Hasselbeck was very sharp in Week 1. Combine all that with a non-existent running game and I could see Hasselbeck dropping 230/2 on the Broncos this week.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

I am a fan but still based in reality. The o-line sucks, the running game is so bad I want to hang myself, and the WR's are young and unproven. With that being said, the defense will end top 10 in the league and the coaching staff appears to be the real deal. Yes Seattle looked like they were in for a long day during the first half, but the defense played lights out and the offense got on track. Good teams make adjustments and win games, that's what Seattle did.

Fair enough. Hass last 7 road games barring those where he probably left due to injury he has avg roughly 240 yds passing which is pretty solid but only a total of 6 TDs vs 10 Int. Furthermore the Seahawks have been outscored their past 10 road games with Hass leading the way of 326 to 125 which roughly works out to about 33-13 for an avg score. You're a fan so I'm sure you know all this. I'm not saying Hass can't hit the middle of the pack of this week but I don't see him entering the top 10 do you?And Denver is a 3 point favorite right now, I like that betting line too but I realize we have a coaching change and maybe things will be different. I hope you're not too irritated with me, I think you have some valid points.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Hasselbeck is a viable FF starter this week against the Broncos based on his OWN performance last week.

I agree. Denver's secondary other than Bailey looked pretty bad against a very mediocre QB in Garrard. Granted, Garrard tends to play well at home but there's nothing special about his game or the Jags' receivers other than Sims-Walker (who Bailey shut out). The Seahawks have some depth in the passing game and Hasselbeck was very sharp in Week 1. Combine all that with a non-existent running game and I could see Hasselbeck dropping 230/2 on the Broncos this week.

See I disagree once again here. Garrard was 16/21 which is pretty darn good but he only threw for 170 yds and 2 of those 3 TDs were fluky receptions by Mercedes Lewis who caught 2 ballas all game and they were TDs...apparently that's enough to put you on Rome is Burning. I'm sorry to be the resident richard today but I really think folks aren't looking at things or interpreting the games the way I am. I could be dead wrong, that wouldn't be the first time but I think Seattle could be in trouble this weekend. And Garrard on the road, no way he rips up San Diego. The Chargers held the Chiefs to 3 and out something like 8 times in the game if you go back and look. A big Charles run, a punt return for a TD, and a turnover deep in San Diego territory but otherwise they were pretty solid.

 

[dcgangstas]

Minor quibble, but I like Eli this week. No Bob Sanders. You better believe that INDY's rush D will come out ready to stop the run. I see this game as a shoot out between the 2 brothers. Indy's pass D was middle of the pack last year. I am starting Eli and expecting 250 pass yds and 2 TD. That like a solid 17-18 pts in my lg

Well stated, Underdogger. I agree with your analysis, especially if Nicks plays Sunday night.

 

[the rover]

Minor quibble, but I like Eli this week. No Bob Sanders. You better believe that INDY's rush D will come out ready to stop the run. I see this game as a shoot out between the 2 brothers. Indy's pass D was middle of the pack last year. I am starting Eli and expecting 250 pass yds and 2 TD. That like a solid 17-18 pts in my lg

Well stated, Underdogger. I agree with your analysis, especially if Nicks plays Sunday night.

I don't get this logic at all. The Colts have shown with each Sanders injury that they can't stop the run without him, and they've been exploited when he's out. You don't think they knew teams were going to run on them during his previous injuries? Being ready to stop the run and being able to stop the run are two entirely different things.

 

[Nagle2998]

MOP ---Usually I am in agreement with most of your thoughts... the only one that I am not too sold on is Jason Campbell. Did he have a rough outing against TN, absolutely. Is TN's D much better than what he is facing in the next couple of weeks? Absolutely.I see Campbell as a solid sleeper start this week. He is going up againt STL who gave up 297 yds to Anderson (who was missing the broad side of a barn last week) and then he is going up against AZ a week later who gave up 250+ yds to Bradford. While OAK has their issues, they are vastly improved from last year's position with their passing game.I can see Campbell continuing the garbage yards to McFadden and getting Murphy more in the game this week when the pass rush isn't nearly as bad.I wouldn't start him over QB1-7 obviously, but I wouldn't be surprised to see him put up low-end QB1 numbers this week and next week.Of course I could be eating crow by Sunday night, but hey, aren't we all at some point or another!

I'm going to start him over Joe Flacco this week because I think the Rams defense just isn't good. I started Delhomme over Favre, Smith and McNabb last week in a different league and it worked out I guess I'm trying to be lucky twice.

 

[underdogger]

Minor quibble, but I like Eli this week. No Bob Sanders. You better believe that INDY's rush D will come out ready to stop the run. I see this game as a shoot out between the 2 brothers. Indy's pass D was middle of the pack last year. I am starting Eli and expecting 250 pass yds and 2 TD. That like a solid 17-18 pts in my lg

Well stated, Underdogger. I agree with your analysis, especially if Nicks plays Sunday night.

I don't get this logic at all. The Colts have shown with each Sanders injury that they can't stop the run without him, and they've been exploited when he's out. You don't think they knew teams were going to run on them during his previous injuries? Being ready to stop the run and being able to stop the run are two entirely different things.

Bullitt has a year of experience under his belt and I personally thought the Colts should have shopped Colonel Sanders over the offseason since Bullitt did such a fine job filling in for the Colonel. You really have that much confidence in Indy's corners that consist of Hayden and Powers? Yea, both Nicks and Smith will eat those guys for lunch with an appetizer and alcoholic beverage. Not to mention I love Manningham as their 3rd WR. Personally, I believe the stats on Sanders and when he is on the field in terms of how many rush yds they allow is overstated. I mean you are basing this off what like of the 3-4 games that the Colonel plays in a 16 game season the past 3 years? Statistics tells me that is a small sample size to base this off of, honestly. I think that is of no value in this type of analysis.

 

[Patoons]

Rivers was actually quite successful against the KC defense considering the weather conditions. I wouldn't consider 300 and 2 TDs a solid defensive performance. I don't think you can remove long plays out of the equation. I do agree that Garrard is a tough start on the road since he's just atrocious on the road.

 

[the rover]

Minor quibble, but I like Eli this week. No Bob Sanders. You better believe that INDY's rush D will come out ready to stop the run. I see this game as a shoot out between the 2 brothers. Indy's pass D was middle of the pack last year. I am starting Eli and expecting 250 pass yds and 2 TD. That like a solid 17-18 pts in my lg

Well stated, Underdogger. I agree with your analysis, especially if Nicks plays Sunday night.

I don't get this logic at all. The Colts have shown with each Sanders injury that they can't stop the run without him, and they've been exploited when he's out. You don't think they knew teams were going to run on them during his previous injuries? Being ready to stop the run and being able to stop the run are two entirely different things.

Bullitt has a year of experience under his belt and I personally thought the Colts should have shopped Colonel Sanders over the offseason since Bullitt did such a fine job filling in for the Colonel. You really have that much confidence in Indy's corners that consist of Hayden and Powers? Yea, both Nicks and Smith will eat those guys for lunch with an appetizer and alcoholic beverage. Not to mention I love Manningham as their 3rd WR. Personally, I believe the stats on Sanders and when he is on the field in terms of how many rush yds they allow is overstated. I mean you are basing this off what like of the 3-4 games that the Colonel plays in a 16 game season the past 3 years? Statistics tells me that is a small sample size to base this off of, honestly. I think that is of no value in this type of analysis.

I do agree that they would have been better off getting rid of Sanders, since they would have actually built a defense without him, instead of one that relied on him. This is the problem the Colts have--and why you can't ignore the "overblown" stats as to when Sanders is out. Yes, after a few games they can get a defense sorted out that minimizes the impact, but particularly with weak DB's, they aren't just going to be able to suddenly revamp their defense with any success based on the fact that they know teams will run on them.

 

[shadyridr]

Gotta disagree on Flacco. He looked pretty damn good vs the Jets even though the #s dont necessarily support it.

 

[underdogger]

Minor quibble, but I like Eli this week. No Bob Sanders. You better believe that INDY's rush D will come out ready to stop the run. I see this game as a shoot out between the 2 brothers. Indy's pass D was middle of the pack last year. I am starting Eli and expecting 250 pass yds and 2 TD. That like a solid 17-18 pts in my lg

Well stated, Underdogger. I agree with your analysis, especially if Nicks plays Sunday night.

I don't get this logic at all. The Colts have shown with each Sanders injury that they can't stop the run without him, and they've been exploited when he's out. You don't think they knew teams were going to run on them during his previous injuries? Being ready to stop the run and being able to stop the run are two entirely different things.

Bullitt has a year of experience under his belt and I personally thought the Colts should have shopped Colonel Sanders over the offseason since Bullitt did such a fine job filling in for the Colonel. You really have that much confidence in Indy's corners that consist of Hayden and Powers? Yea, both Nicks and Smith will eat those guys for lunch with an appetizer and alcoholic beverage. Not to mention I love Manningham as their 3rd WR. Personally, I believe the stats on Sanders and when he is on the field in terms of how many rush yds they allow is overstated. I mean you are basing this off what like of the 3-4 games that the Colonel plays in a 16 game season the past 3 years? Statistics tells me that is a small sample size to base this off of, honestly. I think that is of no value in this type of analysis.

I do agree that they would have been better off getting rid of Sanders, since they would have actually built a defense without him, instead of one that relied on him. This is the problem the Colts have--and why you can't ignore the "overblown" stats as to when Sanders is out. Yes, after a few games they can get a defense sorted out that minimizes the impact, but particularly with weak DB's, they aren't just going to be able to suddenly revamp their defense with any success based on the fact that they know teams will run on them.

Indy's corners are at worst league average to me. Inexperienced but they are ok. Nicks, Smith, and Mario are far superior though in my opinion

 

[G-King]

So who would u guys start this wk Orton or Cutler? 6 pt td

Not a WDIS forum, but I have the same two and I'm going with Orton. Living here, I can tell you that Dallas is looking for redemption and it will be done on defense. Jenkins and Newman are going to do great shuting it down, and Ratliff, Spencer, and Ware will make for a painful day for Cutler. Orton has really been undervalued and is starting to play good ball.

 

[the rover]

Indy's corners are at worst league average to me. Inexperienced but they are ok. Nicks, Smith, and Mario are far superior though in my opinion

And Andre Johnson is better than any of them. If a team stinks at defending the run and the pass, most teams are going to choose to run first, since its safer and chews clock preventing the Indy offense from being on the field. Teams don't give up the run because the other team has average corners and a below average run D. There's a reason Schaub only threw for 107 yards against these same bad corners.

 

[Kenny Powers]

Anyone starting Vick over another respectable QB?

Strongly considering starting him over Eli in 1 league. I see Vick's floor being in the range of what MOP said: 150yds/50yds, 1 TD....Im expecting more like 225yds/70yds/2tds (maybe one of them rushing), which in my league's scoring would put him at 24-26 points. Eli would need about 300yds/2tds which would be 23pts (3 for 300 yard game). I see the chances of each guy getting those numbers being pretty close, with Eli slightly more likely, but I also think Vick's chance of getting 2 or more TDs is greater than Eli who could lose a few to Bradshaw/Jacobs if the running games going anything close to HOU's last week.

Ugh. Decisions, decisions.

 

[Man In The Box]

My brilliant strategy of drafting Kolb/Big Ben has left me with the choice of Campbell, Hasselbeck, or Anderson. There are a few others out there that I wouldn't consider. I'm going with Hass.