King of the Jungle
Footballguy
Most Qb’s will be greatly impacted with their number 1 & 2 receivers on the sideline. Not sure if any other QB in the league could have performed better in those circumstances than Mahomes did last night.
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QB Patrick Mahomes II, KC (2 Viewers)
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TampaMike19
Footballguy
he will need to be more Jalen hurts than ever and 6-59-1 is quite an excellent start in the rushing department. Not sure he will get his passing yards up this year with this allotment of weapons
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
Hope he struggles for a few weeks and buy low is my suggestion.
rockaction
Footballguy
I agree with you (and Jacob's Ladder and FarFromHome) about him being in shape. That's an awesome sign. His circumstances and what's around him as far as talent goes makes my jaw drop a bit. Two out of his three top receivers got cut by, of all teams, the Patriots just last year. And I don't know if he's missing throws like he did last year or whether his receivers can't run the right route or get open, but I saw two throws seven-twelve yards off. We saw that last year.
Really, I am completely out on KC. Their three running backs are Pacheco (never really good and now cooked), Hunt (about thirty and looking weirdly swollen and like he's retired), and Brashard Smith (a recent convert from WR?). Worthy and Rice are out and they've never been downfield threats or guys who run effective patterns ever.
You give Veach a lot of leeway because of their success, but his team is cobbled together and ineffective in the face of the cap and contracts and picking nearly dead last every year (and some of those picks being more than just head-scratchers). I think it's a bad, bad situation.
I really hope I'm overreacting and that I'm so completely wrong that this take gets dredged up. But for the past three years I can't remember any point at which I've thought, "This! This is the offense we signed up for! Way to go, fellas!" Now I'm watching not with pensiveness but with horror. Mahomes scrambling and getting hit repeatedly is a sign of things gone terribly awry. His line was supposed to be improved, and it may well be, but I read yet again that his time to release the ball was around 2.12 seconds or something like that, which is his fastest time ever even including last year, so I don't know whether that's designed, but you can't get downfield that way. Their offense doesn't threaten defenses deep or vertically. It's an extreme West Coast offense, one that is nearly completely horizontal. It doesn't seem good in its concept and it's ugly to watch.
I'll stop. All the negative thoughts I could have had were affirmed or reaffirmed and this ain't good.
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King of the Jungle
Footballguy
I understand your concerns. I traded Mahomes away in my only dynasty league due to many of the same reasons. Watching him last night almost makes me regret it. He is able to do more with less at a greater ability than anyone imo. Once things settle (Rice back, Worthy back, Royals gets some seasoning, Brashard incorporates in the passing game more, etc), I think he has a chance to be near the top again. I think your concerns are warranted, but I think water with eventually find its level and he will make holders happy. Bum luck the last few years regarding skill players and I wish they would have dipped into a deep TE class to replace Kelce, but there is plenty of talent to make for a special run from an FF standpoint once everyone is on the field. The defense is not as strong as years past and the run game is mediocre, Pat is setup to produce…just needs his squad to be on the field.
rockaction
Footballguy
Yeah, I can see what you're saying also. I hope I'm wrong. I think Pat looked really fit last night, which is awesome. I think the foundation is there. Whether he has the pieces around him and whether he has his intermediate/deep ball back and useful remains to be seen.
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
I can see your side as well. If the Worthy injury is longer than expected, Rice is rusty or not the same, Royals may not catch on quickly, Brown could very well get hurt, Kelce never returns to anywhere near form, etc. There is certainly risk, I just thought he was masterful the second half which gave promise if things fall in favor.
Pip's Invitation
Footballguy
Is this a Mahomes problem or a Mahomes’ receivers problem?
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
Probably both. The national media, most of whom are Mahomes apologists, will say it is all the fault of injuries and his receivers, but the eye ball test tells me that he just isn't the same player he was a few years ago. He misses way more throws than he used to. I am sure he will say, "we will fix it and get better," but he has been saying that since the fall of 2023.
eighsse2
Footballguy
There's one number there that is just glaringly horrible. Is that for real? Approximately 50% more INT's than passing TD's? For the last 2+ seasons?
ETA: Oh okay I forgot it was specifically 10+ air yards throws, his total ratio is more like 2:1, but still 10+ air yards is going to be a good sample size and horrible results.
rockaction
Footballguy
Hey, I was torching Patrick in the game thread Sunday but I began to think about some arguments people were making on his behalf and I looked at a ton of advanced and expectation rates where they were comparing QBs and he was still freaking top ten. I don't know. And a guy was making an argument that I can buy intellectually but have a hard time rectifying it with my eyes or sensory perception. But I don't know if my senses aren't failing me for two reasons. The first is that we know nothing about what's going on with their plays. I have no idea about the intent, design, placement, problems, problem-solving, and I mean—you name the thing about the play and the only thing I can tell you is whether it looked right. And the second thing is that when he got a moment or two and when he threw to Tyquan Thornton, he looked like Mahomes again. There weren't any ducks or quails. The ball was right around Thornton's hands. It all looked. . .professional.
Weird. So I saw this story and figured I'd copy/paste and let people read it. From ESPN:
www.espn.com
"Although Thornton, a 2022 second-round pick, never became a consistent player with the Patriots, the Chiefs were intrigued by his combination of size (6-foot-2 and 185 pounds) and speed. In late November, the Chiefs signed Thornton to their practice squad. At the time, Thornton knew he wasn't expected to be elevated to the active roster while the Chiefs were pursuing their third consecutive Vince Lombardi Trophy. Toward the end of most practices, Thornton ran routes for Mahomes, the two experimenting on how their connection could look as part of the Chiefs' 2025 season.
'When I first got here coming from New England, seeing these guys practice at a high level, how they do the little things, I was just a guy just trying to be a part of that," Thornton said. "Every day was like the Super Bowl for me. It was a blessing.'
Six months later, Thornton, having continued working with Mahomes throughout the offseason, was one of the most impressive performers in training camp. Thornton's best repetition in camp was in a 7-on-7 period, when his assignment was to run a deep corner route against man coverage. Although nickel cornerback Chamarri Conner provided tight coverage, Mahomes still threw a meticulous 30-yard pass, and the ball placed just past the defender's outstretched arms and into Thornton's hands for a diving catch.
'Honestly, his timing and chemistry with Pat has just grown and grown,' cornerback Trent McDuffie said. 'I'm really proud of him and I'm excited to see what he's going to do.'
One highlight in Sunday's win illustrated how much trust Mahomes has in Thornton.
Early in the third quarter, the Chiefs were searching for their first touchdown. Mahomes' initial read on a third-and-3 snap from the Giants' 5-yard line was Kelce, who ran a short out route. The next option for Mahomes was Smith-Schuster, who ran a hitch route at the goal line. Once the Giants covered Kelce and Smith-Schuster, Mahomes went to his third read, noticing that Thornton won his one-on-one matchup against Adebo on a slant. Without hesitation, Mahomes threw a strike to Thornton, who made a sliding catch in the back of the end zone.
'Just knowing the [Giants] coverage, that was a good job by him,' Mahomes said. 'He did a good job being open and being in the right spot so that when I turn to get to that third progression, he's right in my vision and I can make the throw.'
Ahead of Sunday's game against the Baltimore Ravens (4:25 p.m. ET, CBS), the Chiefs are optimistic Worthy will be able to play a limited role for the offense while wearing a small harness. Mahomes and Reid say they are confident the Chiefs can continue to be successful on deep passes with Thornton running routes alongside Worthy. By Week 7, Mahomes' dropbacks could feature him having a combination of quality options -- such as Kelce, Thornton, Worthy, Rice and Hollywood Brown.
Following the best game of his career, Thornton is confident he can have a positive impact for the Chiefs' offense.
'I knew what I could do by this team taking a chance on me, and Pat giving me the opportunity to go out there and make plays,' he said. 'I'm just proving myself right.'" - Nate Taylor, ESPN, 9/23/25
So I don't know. Gonna have to withhold judgment until Week 8 or 9. Heh.
Weird. So I saw this story and figured I'd copy/paste and let people read it. From ESPN:
'Every day was like the Super Bowl for me': How Tyquan Thornton found his place in KC
A castoff by the Patriots, the receiver's size and speed have blended well with Mahomes' big arm.
"Although Thornton, a 2022 second-round pick, never became a consistent player with the Patriots, the Chiefs were intrigued by his combination of size (6-foot-2 and 185 pounds) and speed. In late November, the Chiefs signed Thornton to their practice squad. At the time, Thornton knew he wasn't expected to be elevated to the active roster while the Chiefs were pursuing their third consecutive Vince Lombardi Trophy. Toward the end of most practices, Thornton ran routes for Mahomes, the two experimenting on how their connection could look as part of the Chiefs' 2025 season.
'When I first got here coming from New England, seeing these guys practice at a high level, how they do the little things, I was just a guy just trying to be a part of that," Thornton said. "Every day was like the Super Bowl for me. It was a blessing.'
Six months later, Thornton, having continued working with Mahomes throughout the offseason, was one of the most impressive performers in training camp. Thornton's best repetition in camp was in a 7-on-7 period, when his assignment was to run a deep corner route against man coverage. Although nickel cornerback Chamarri Conner provided tight coverage, Mahomes still threw a meticulous 30-yard pass, and the ball placed just past the defender's outstretched arms and into Thornton's hands for a diving catch.
'Honestly, his timing and chemistry with Pat has just grown and grown,' cornerback Trent McDuffie said. 'I'm really proud of him and I'm excited to see what he's going to do.'
One highlight in Sunday's win illustrated how much trust Mahomes has in Thornton.
Early in the third quarter, the Chiefs were searching for their first touchdown. Mahomes' initial read on a third-and-3 snap from the Giants' 5-yard line was Kelce, who ran a short out route. The next option for Mahomes was Smith-Schuster, who ran a hitch route at the goal line. Once the Giants covered Kelce and Smith-Schuster, Mahomes went to his third read, noticing that Thornton won his one-on-one matchup against Adebo on a slant. Without hesitation, Mahomes threw a strike to Thornton, who made a sliding catch in the back of the end zone.
'Just knowing the [Giants] coverage, that was a good job by him,' Mahomes said. 'He did a good job being open and being in the right spot so that when I turn to get to that third progression, he's right in my vision and I can make the throw.'
Ahead of Sunday's game against the Baltimore Ravens (4:25 p.m. ET, CBS), the Chiefs are optimistic Worthy will be able to play a limited role for the offense while wearing a small harness. Mahomes and Reid say they are confident the Chiefs can continue to be successful on deep passes with Thornton running routes alongside Worthy. By Week 7, Mahomes' dropbacks could feature him having a combination of quality options -- such as Kelce, Thornton, Worthy, Rice and Hollywood Brown.
Following the best game of his career, Thornton is confident he can have a positive impact for the Chiefs' offense.
'I knew what I could do by this team taking a chance on me, and Pat giving me the opportunity to go out there and make plays,' he said. 'I'm just proving myself right.'" - Nate Taylor, ESPN, 9/23/25
So I don't know. Gonna have to withhold judgment until Week 8 or 9. Heh.
By interesting you mean scary, right? Scary for the defenses that is…
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
We'll see. Mahomes was great today, but the Chiefs offense hasn't been consistently scary in three years. I am not doubting them, just saying that it has been a while.
Grahamburn
Footballguy
Looking forward to stacking em up.
Alex P Keaton
Footballguy
Hmmm
Never fails. Was not trying to jinx him.
dipandglide
Footballguy
Mahomes has been incredible this year. He can do it all!
Just wait until next week.
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Patrick Mahomes on quick passes vs the Lions (less than 2.5 seconds):
14/15
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