QB scoring. How many leagues have -points for INTS? (1 Viewer)

[Da Guru]

IMO every league should have at least -1 point and maybe -2 points for INTs.

For Romos owner to be rewarded for last nights pick fest is absurd.

I have been trying to get this rule for years now..with no luck.

 

[Angry Beavers]

4 of 5 leagues I am do this!

Lucky for me the one league that does not penalize int's is also the only league in which I needed to Romo to have a decent game which he did ( 300 + yards and 2 td's)

 

[daveandken]

IMO every league should have at least -1 point and maybe -2 points for INTs.For Romos owner to be rewarded for last nights pick fest is absurd.I have been trying to get this rule for years now..with no luck.

-2/pick. but he still scored 12 pts giving his owner the win by 6.The fact that he overcame the picks and still had 300 yards and 2 TDs should count for something, no?

 

[delusional]

$ league does -1 per int

espn league does -3

 

[StrikeS2k]

We do -1 for ints and lost fumbles. Romo got -6 last night. I would have won anyways but it was nice having Romo offset his positive points with negative ones just so it wouldn't be close.

 

[jonessed]

Two leagues with (-2) and one with (-1).

 

[Ivanhoe]

my league has -2 for ints

and romo still finished with 25 points !

amazing.

 

[greenline]

6 pts per TD

-4 per INT or fumble

 

[chadjohnsonfan]

One league its +5 for TD and -2 for INT

The other its +6 for TD and -3 for INT

I've never been in a league that didn't subtract for INT's.

 

[chidoy]

6 pts per TD -4 per INT or fumble

x2

 

[greenline]

6 pts per TD -4 per INT or fumble

x2

It can be brutal huh? Last night Romo had 5 picks and a fumble. Argh.

 

[BoltBacker]

IMO every league should have at least -1 point and maybe -2 points for INTs.For Romos owner to be rewarded for last nights pick fest is absurd.I have been trying to get this rule for years now..with no luck.

-2/pick. but he still scored 12 pts giving his owner the win by 6.The fact that he overcame the picks and still had 300 yards and 2 TDs should count for something, no?

NO.If it weren't for his 5 interceptions DAL wouldn't have needed his 300 yards or a miracle comeback.In a perfect league all TD's would be worth 6 points and all TO's would be (-6) imo. Scoring TD's and turnovers should mean so much more than yards in FF... because it means so much more than yards in football. Romo getting positive points last night is as bad as Warner getting positive points all those games where he had 2 INT and 3 fumbles lost but was still a viable starter because his own ineptitude helped him into a situation where he'd also get 300+ meaningless yards.It's probably my single biggest gripe in FF and I can never find anyone who agrees.... or at least not enough people to form a league.

 

[PatrickT]

4 out of 4 leagues punish interceptions. The way it should be.

 

[BoltBacker]

6 pts per TD -4 per INT or fumble

At least that's closer.I don't understand why more people don't understand turning the ball over is HUGE. Why shouldn't that fact be reflected in FF?

 

[otb_lifer]

- 2 for any turnover in both of my $ locals ... and one penalizes the QB -6 for a pick 6

 

[MSULions]

i've never been in a league that DIDN'T give negative points for turnovers....I can't understand how you could not do it. my main one is pretty standard: 6 for a td, -2 for an INT or lost fumble. the way it should be. (I can't stand the 4pt QB tds either)

 

[dude]

-2 int/fumble lost

-4 int/fumbled return for td(all players)

romo = 9ish MNF

 

[cobalt_27]

Poll feature down?

 

[daveandken]

IMO every league should have at least -1 point and maybe -2 points for INTs.For Romos owner to be rewarded for last nights pick fest is absurd.I have been trying to get this rule for years now..with no luck.

-2/pick. but he still scored 12 pts giving his owner the win by 6.The fact that he overcame the picks and still had 300 yards and 2 TDs should count for something, no?

NO.If it weren't for his 5 interceptions DAL wouldn't have needed his 300 yards or a miracle comeback.In a perfect league all TD's would be worth 6 points and all TO's would be (-6) imo. Scoring TD's and turnovers should mean so much more than yards in FF... because it means so much more than yards in football. Romo getting positive points last night is as bad as Warner getting positive points all those games where he had 2 INT and 3 fumbles lost but was still a viable starter because his own ineptitude helped him into a situation where he'd also get 300+ meaningless yards.It's probably my single biggest gripe in FF and I can never find anyone who agrees.... or at least not enough people to form a league.

Maybe it should be higher, but certainly not 6. 6 implies that every turnover turns into 6 points. I bet 2 is closer to reality.

 

[Sheriff66]

-2 for picks and fumbles for QBs, RBs, WRs, TEs and kickers

 

[BoltBacker]

IMO every league should have at least -1 point and maybe -2 points for INTs.For Romos owner to be rewarded for last nights pick fest is absurd.I have been trying to get this rule for years now..with no luck.

-2/pick. but he still scored 12 pts giving his owner the win by 6.The fact that he overcame the picks and still had 300 yards and 2 TDs should count for something, no?

NO.If it weren't for his 5 interceptions DAL wouldn't have needed his 300 yards or a miracle comeback.In a perfect league all TD's would be worth 6 points and all TO's would be (-6) imo. Scoring TD's and turnovers should mean so much more than yards in FF... because it means so much more than yards in football. Romo getting positive points last night is as bad as Warner getting positive points all those games where he had 2 INT and 3 fumbles lost but was still a viable starter because his own ineptitude helped him into a situation where he'd also get 300+ meaningless yards.It's probably my single biggest gripe in FF and I can never find anyone who agrees.... or at least not enough people to form a league.

Maybe it should be higher, but certainly not 6. 6 implies that every turnover turns into 6 points. I bet 2 is closer to reality.

How often do you hear a football game was decided by TO's? It's often.It would be interesting to find out what single stat(besides score obviously) was the biggest indicator whether a team won or lost. My money would be on TO's.Oh, and by the way 6 points wouldn't imply that every turnover turns into 6 points. It implies that you have given away your opportunity for a FG(or possibly even a TD) and given your opponent an opportunity for a FG(or maybe even TD). That's why they play such a big role in football games. You're only looking at half the impact if you are judging a TO based on what your opponent does with it. YOU may have been able to score without the TO in the first place.

 

[Godsbrother]

We went with -3 per INT when we started awarding QBs 6 pts for a TD.

Romo still scored 12 pts last night in our league even with the -16 pts for the 5 picks and 1 fumble.

 

[BoltBacker]

We went with -3 per INT when we started awarding QBs 6 pts for a TD. Romo still scored 12 pts last night in our league even with the -16 pts for the 5 picks and 1 fumble.

... and do you feel Romo was a net positive for DAL last night? Or do you think DAL overcame Romo's peformence to beat a team that they should have handled pretty easily even on the road?

 

[massraider]

We actually do neg points for sacks in one league, which I really don't care for.

Every league I am in uses neg points for INTs. I am fine with -2 or -3. Any more than that is kind of stupid.

 

[tomarken]

In a perfect league all TD's would be worth 6 points and all TO's would be (-6) imo.

A turnover is not equivalent to a touchdown.

Scoring TD's and turnovers should mean so much more than yards in FF... because it means so much more than yards in football.

You can't score a TD without moving the ball. Yardage is the only (relatively) consistent stat that we can score in fantasy football. Most touchdown-only leagues died a decade ago, for good reason.

Romo getting positive points last night is as bad as Warner getting positive points all those games where he had 2 INT and 3 fumbles lost but was still a viable starter because his own ineptitude helped him into a situation where he'd also get 300+ meaningless yards.

Romo did win the game last night, no? 300 yards are never meaningless.Interceptions, especially, are often not the QB's fault. I certainly don't want to lose 6 points every time my QB throws the ball exactly where it's supposed to go, but the receiver slips, runs the wrong route, has the ball bounce out of his hands into a defender, etc.

It's probably my single biggest gripe in FF and I can never find anyone who agrees.... or at least not enough people to form a league.

This should tell you something.

 

[BoltBacker]

I am fine with -2 or -3. Any more than that is kind of stupid.

Why?If you throw an INT deep in your own territory you are GIVING your opponent a FG, maybe a TD on a short field.If you throw an INT at midfield you weren't far out of FG range. Now your opponent isn't far out of FG range.If you throw an INT deep in your opponents territory you are taking a sure FG off the board and probably more than that if you were driving that deep into your opponents territory.Any way you slice it -3 is being generous.Do you honestly think Romo should have scored positive points last night? IMO that's what's stupid. As mentioned before it bothered me just as much when Warner was playing for the NYG and starting in ARZ.... losing them games but scoring solid fantasy points because of stupid rules. Same thing goes for Jake Plummer in ARZ. At some point 340 yards just rings kind of hollow if your 4 TO is the reason you were passing and trying to come from behind all day long.

 

[hellz_fireflies]

In my keeper league it's -1pt 1 int

-2pt 2 int

-3pt 3int

-4pt 4int

-5pt 5int

Total minus points for Romo was 15 points monday nite

 

[BoltBacker]

In a perfect league all TD's would be worth 6 points and all TO's would be (-6) imo.

A turnover is not equivalent to a touchdown.

I never said it was.Should Romo score solid fantasy points based on the way he played last night?

 

[BoltBacker]

In my keeper league it's -1pt 1 int -2pt 2 int -3pt 3int -4pt 4int -5pt 5int Total minus points for Romo was 15 points monday nite

And what were his net points in your league monday night?

 

[massraider]

I am fine with -2 or -3. Any more than that is kind of stupid.

Why?If you throw an INT deep in your own territory you are GIVING your opponent a FG, maybe a TD on a short field.

If you throw an INT at midfield you weren't far out of FG range. Now your opponent isn't far out of FG range.

If you throw an INT deep in your opponents territory you are taking a sure FG off the board and probably more than that if you were driving that deep into your opponents territory.

Any way you slice it -3 is being generous.

Do you honestly think Romo should have scored positive points last night? IMO that's what's stupid. As mentioned before it bothered me just as much when Warner was playing for the NYG and starting in ARZ.... losing them games but scoring solid fantasy points because of stupid rules. Same thing goes for Jake Plummer in ARZ. At some point 340 yards just rings kind of hollow if your 4 TO is the reason you were passing and trying to come from behind all day long.

And if a QB throws two meaningless picks at the end of each half, but throws two TDs otherwise, I am not fine with that being considered a wash.The game last night? Yeah, that was one game. Frankly, I think INTs are a bit too flukey to assign such a major penalty.

No scoring system is going to be perfect, and every week players will outscore other players that had better "real" games.

 

[tomarken]

In a perfect league all TD's would be worth 6 points and all TO's would be (-6) imo.

A turnover is not equivalent to a touchdown.

I never said it was.

In a perfect league all TD's would be worth 6 points and all TO's would be (-6) imo.

 

[BoltBacker]

Interceptions, especially, are often not the QB's fault. I certainly don't want to lose 6 points every time my QB throws the ball exactly where it's supposed to go, but the receiver slips, runs the wrong route, has the ball bounce out of his hands into a defender, etc.

So should a QB also get credit for yardage he would have gotten if a receiver drops a ball? Of course a QB's INT are effected by the play of his teamates. So are a RB's yardage. A WR's catches. And every other play on a football field. What does this have to do with anything?

 

[NYGus]

IMO every league should have at least -1 point and maybe -2 points for INTs.

For Romos owner to be rewarded for last nights pick fest is absurd.

I have been trying to get this rule for years now..with no luck.

I'm usually on board with Da Guru but not this time. Negative points (and fractions) SUCK.

 

[BeachBums]

4 pts/passing TD, 1/50 yds passing, no penalty for ints or fumbles. Romo finished last night with 14 points.

Negative points for turnovers are a much more accurate reflection of real football, but interception machines at QB who put up huge yardage and still get a few TDs aren't all that bad in this league except for the loss of possession and the lack of TDs those drives might have produced.

 

[BoltBacker]

4 pts/passing TD, 1/50 yds passing, no penalty for ints or fumbles. Romo finished last night with 14 points.Negative points for turnovers are a much more accurate reflection of real football, but interception machines at QB who put up huge yardage and still get a few TDs aren't all that bad in this league except for the loss of possession and the lack of TDs those drives might have produced.

Exactly.And people marveled at Aaron Brooks for being a pretty solid fantasy QB all those years. That's just proof scoring in most FF leagues is a sham.

 

[tomarken]

Interceptions, especially, are often not the QB's fault. I certainly don't want to lose 6 points every time my QB throws the ball exactly where it's supposed to go, but the receiver slips, runs the wrong route, has the ball bounce out of his hands into a defender, etc.

So should a QB also get credit for yardage he would have gotten if a receiver drops a ball? Of course a QB's INT are effected by the play of his teamates. So are a RB's yardage. A WR's catches. And every other play on a football field. What does this have to do with anything?

It has everything to do with everything. You are proposing that a quarterback should lose 6 points every time he throws an interception. I'm pointing out how ridiculous that is, considering that INT's are often not the fault of the quarterback. And again, even if they were always the fault of the QB, an interception is NOT the equivalent of a TD. QB's are notoriously undervalued in fantasy football as it is. Why make them moreso?

 

[BoltBacker]

Interceptions, especially, are often not the QB's fault. I certainly don't want to lose 6 points every time my QB throws the ball exactly where it's supposed to go, but the receiver slips, runs the wrong route, has the ball bounce out of his hands into a defender, etc.

So should a QB also get credit for yardage he would have gotten if a receiver drops a ball? Of course a QB's INT are effected by the play of his teamates. So are a RB's yardage. A WR's catches. And every other play on a football field. What does this have to do with anything?

It has everything to do with everything. You are proposing that a quarterback should lose 6 points every time he throws an interception. I'm pointing out how ridiculous that is, considering that INT's are often not the fault of the quarterback. And again, even if they were always the fault of the QB, an interception is NOT the equivalent of a TD. QB's are notoriously undervalued in fantasy football as it is. Why make them moreso?

If you give QB's 6 points per touchdown the good one's aren't undervalued.If you take 6 points away for TO's then the Aaron Brooks's of the world are undervalued.... just as they should be.

 

[QuizGuy66]

I'm in two leagues.

One has 6 for all TDs and no penalty for INTs

The other has 5 for passing TDs and a -1 penalty for each INT after the first one (basically this lessens a penalty for the "bomb at the end of the half" type interception.

-QG

 

[831hoops]

-3 pts per TO in the league I started Romo last night, so he netted me zero.

Still outscored my opponents QB, VY, who netted -4. Brutal scoring for QBs, 1pt/50 yds.

 

[massraider]

Interceptions, especially, are often not the QB's fault. I certainly don't want to lose 6 points every time my QB throws the ball exactly where it's supposed to go, but the receiver slips, runs the wrong route, has the ball bounce out of his hands into a defender, etc.

So should a QB also get credit for yardage he would have gotten if a receiver drops a ball? Of course a QB's INT are effected by the play of his teamates. So are a RB's yardage. A WR's catches. And every other play on a football field. What does this have to do with anything?

It has everything to do with everything. You are proposing that a quarterback should lose 6 points every time he throws an interception. I'm pointing out how ridiculous that is, considering that INT's are often not the fault of the quarterback. And again, even if they were always the fault of the QB, an interception is NOT the equivalent of a TD. QB's are notoriously undervalued in fantasy football as it is. Why make them moreso?

If you give QB's 6 points per touchdown the good one's aren't undervalued.If you take 6 points away for TO's then the Aaron Brooks's of the world are undervalued.... just as they should be.

Brett Favre just set the record for career INTs.

 

[BoltBacker]

Interceptions, especially, are often not the QB's fault. I certainly don't want to lose 6 points every time my QB throws the ball exactly where it's supposed to go, but the receiver slips, runs the wrong route, has the ball bounce out of his hands into a defender, etc.

So should a QB also get credit for yardage he would have gotten if a receiver drops a ball? Of course a QB's INT are effected by the play of his teamates. So are a RB's yardage. A WR's catches. And every other play on a football field. What does this have to do with anything?

It has everything to do with everything. You are proposing that a quarterback should lose 6 points every time he throws an interception. I'm pointing out how ridiculous that is, considering that INT's are often not the fault of the quarterback. And again, even if they were always the fault of the QB, an interception is NOT the equivalent of a TD. QB's are notoriously undervalued in fantasy football as it is. Why make them moreso?

If you give QB's 6 points per touchdown the good one's aren't undervalued.If you take 6 points away for TO's then the Aaron Brooks's of the world are undervalued.... just as they should be.

Brett Favre just set the record for career INTs.

And TD's.???

 

[pats3in4]

My league is -3 for each turnover, although QBs get 6pts/TD pass.

Romo owner lost his game by 9. Romo's 6 turnovers cost him 18 points.

 

[tomarken]

Interceptions, especially, are often not the QB's fault. I certainly don't want to lose 6 points every time my QB throws the ball exactly where it's supposed to go, but the receiver slips, runs the wrong route, has the ball bounce out of his hands into a defender, etc.

So should a QB also get credit for yardage he would have gotten if a receiver drops a ball? Of course a QB's INT are effected by the play of his teamates. So are a RB's yardage. A WR's catches. And every other play on a football field. What does this have to do with anything?

It has everything to do with everything. You are proposing that a quarterback should lose 6 points every time he throws an interception. I'm pointing out how ridiculous that is, considering that INT's are often not the fault of the quarterback. And again, even if they were always the fault of the QB, an interception is NOT the equivalent of a TD. QB's are notoriously undervalued in fantasy football as it is. Why make them moreso?

If you give QB's 6 points per touchdown the good one's aren't undervalued.If you take 6 points away for TO's then the Aaron Brooks's of the world are undervalued.... just as they should be.

QB's as a whole are undervalued. Giving them 6 pts per TD does very little to change this fact, but that is a fact that has been discussed ad nauseum in other threads. Maybe you should be more specific as to why the "Aaron Brooks" of the NFL should be undervalued. Anyway, scoring systems are what they are. Pick one you like and go with it - you can always draft accordingly. That said, if you can't find eleven other people who want to play in a -6 INT league, then maybe you should consider the possibility that it's not such a great idea.

 

[massraider]

Interceptions, especially, are often not the QB's fault. I certainly don't want to lose 6 points every time my QB throws the ball exactly where it's supposed to go, but the receiver slips, runs the wrong route, has the ball bounce out of his hands into a defender, etc.

So should a QB also get credit for yardage he would have gotten if a receiver drops a ball? Of course a QB's INT are effected by the play of his teamates. So are a RB's yardage. A WR's catches. And every other play on a football field. What does this have to do with anything?

It has everything to do with everything. You are proposing that a quarterback should lose 6 points every time he throws an interception. I'm pointing out how ridiculous that is, considering that INT's are often not the fault of the quarterback. And again, even if they were always the fault of the QB, an interception is NOT the equivalent of a TD. QB's are notoriously undervalued in fantasy football as it is. Why make them moreso?

If you give QB's 6 points per touchdown the good one's aren't undervalued.If you take 6 points away for TO's then the Aaron Brooks's of the world are undervalued.... just as they should be.

Brett Favre just set the record for career INTs.

And TD's.???

Under your scoring system, caretaker QBs would be better plays than Favre. 1 TD and no INTs is equal to 3 TDs and 2 INTs. I disagree with that.

 

[hellz_fireflies]

In my keeper league it's -1pt 1 int

-2pt 2 int

-3pt 3int

-4pt 4int

-5pt 5int

Total minus points for Romo was 15 points monday nite

And what were his net points in your league monday night?

Total net was 10.0610pts 2tds passing

16.36pts 309 passing yards

0.70 7 rushing yards

minus 2pts 1 fumble

minus 15pts 5 ints

 

[cobalt_27]

Still wouldn't mind knowing how many leagues have -points for INTs.

Anyone care to summarize?

 

[BoltBacker]

In my keeper league it's -1pt 1 int

-2pt 2 int

-3pt 3int

-4pt 4int

-5pt 5int

Total minus points for Romo was 15 points monday nite

And what were his net points in your league monday night?

Total net was 10.0610pts 2tds passing

16.36pts 309 passing yards

0.07 7 rushing yards

minus 2pts 1 fumble

minus 15pts 5 ints

And do you think Romo won the game for DAL last night or DAL won the game for Romo last night? Did he have a net positive impact on the game for DAL? Could an average NFL QB have led DAL to a more convincing win in BUF than Romo led?BTW I just want to make the point I have no problem with Romo in particular, my problem is with scoring systems that can twist statistics so that Romo can get positive points based on a performance like the one he had last night. Aaron Brooks did it for years in NO and I hated it just as much then.

 

[BoltBacker]

Interceptions, especially, are often not the QB's fault. I certainly don't want to lose 6 points every time my QB throws the ball exactly where it's supposed to go, but the receiver slips, runs the wrong route, has the ball bounce out of his hands into a defender, etc.

So should a QB also get credit for yardage he would have gotten if a receiver drops a ball? Of course a QB's INT are effected by the play of his teamates. So are a RB's yardage. A WR's catches. And every other play on a football field. What does this have to do with anything?

It has everything to do with everything. You are proposing that a quarterback should lose 6 points every time he throws an interception. I'm pointing out how ridiculous that is, considering that INT's are often not the fault of the quarterback. And again, even if they were always the fault of the QB, an interception is NOT the equivalent of a TD. QB's are notoriously undervalued in fantasy football as it is. Why make them moreso?

If you give QB's 6 points per touchdown the good one's aren't undervalued.If you take 6 points away for TO's then the Aaron Brooks's of the world are undervalued.... just as they should be.

Brett Favre just set the record for career INTs.

And TD's.???

Under your scoring system, caretaker QBs would be better plays than Favre. 1 TD and no INTs is equal to 3 TDs and 2 INTs. I disagree with that.

You think a guy that scores 3TDs and 2INTs typically has the same # of yards as a QB that has 1TD and 0 INT???????... and please explain how the caretaker QB you speak of is a "better play"????

 

[massraider]

Interceptions, especially, are often not the QB's fault. I certainly don't want to lose 6 points every time my QB throws the ball exactly where it's supposed to go, but the receiver slips, runs the wrong route, has the ball bounce out of his hands into a defender, etc.

So should a QB also get credit for yardage he would have gotten if a receiver drops a ball? Of course a QB's INT are effected by the play of his teamates. So are a RB's yardage. A WR's catches. And every other play on a football field. What does this have to do with anything?

It has everything to do with everything. You are proposing that a quarterback should lose 6 points every time he throws an interception. I'm pointing out how ridiculous that is, considering that INT's are often not the fault of the quarterback. And again, even if they were always the fault of the QB, an interception is NOT the equivalent of a TD. QB's are notoriously undervalued in fantasy football as it is. Why make them moreso?

If you give QB's 6 points per touchdown the good one's aren't undervalued.If you take 6 points away for TO's then the Aaron Brooks's of the world are undervalued.... just as they should be.

Brett Favre just set the record for career INTs.

And TD's.???

Under your scoring system, caretaker QBs would be better plays than Favre. 1 TD and no INTs is equal to 3 TDs and 2 INTs. I disagree with that.

You think a guy that scores 3TDs and 2INTs typically has the same # of yards as a QB that has 1TD and 0 INT???????

You think the average guy that throws 5 INTs also has 300 yards and 2 TDs??????????????????And wins the game??????????????????

 

[BoltBacker]

You think the average guy that throws 5 INTs also has 300 yards and 2 TDs?????????????????? And wins the game??????????????????

I'm still waiting for caretaker qb's that would be better than a guy like Favre. Can you think of any?And yes, if a guy throws 5 INT's he's probably going to be passing all day because his team is behind. Doesn't surprise me at all if he has a lot of passing yards. Which is one reason it sounds wrong headed when you say a 1td/0int QB is a better play than a 3td/2int QB. But I'm willing to consider your list.... if you have one.