Raheem Morris (1 Viewer)

[faulkfan]

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I agree that there is no need to panic in Tampa. I would imagine that the youngest team in the league would struggle after a lockout and the distractions that come with it so Raheem seems accurate in trusting his system of developing young talent.

My questions relate to the comments he made about Blount fumbling early in the game and people who go "outside of the box and try to make plays that are just not there..."

1) doesn't that come with coaching a young team

2) don't you want guys to try and make things happen

3) had Blount been fumbling games away for the Bucs that he needed to get pulled

I'm not emotionally connected to the Bucs and haven't started Blount yet this year so my interest is from a football perspective. Doesn't it seem like he is taking no responsibility for the season and in essence throwing his team under the bus? I'm wondering how he players are going to take this. It seems like an odd approach with only one game left in the season. I would hate to send my players into the off season with the message that they all failed me and my system.

Maybe I'm reading this wrong, how did you all take it?

 

[gregjcross]

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I agree that there is no need to panic in Tampa. I would imagine that the youngest team in the league would struggle after a lockout and the distractions that come with it so Raheem seems accurate in trusting his system of developing young talent.

My questions relate to the comments he made about Blount fumbling early in the game and people who go "outside of the box and try to make plays that are just not there..."

1) doesn't that come with coaching a young team

2) don't you want guys to try and make things happen

3) had Blount been fumbling games away for the Bucs that he needed to get pulled

I'm not emotionally connected to the Bucs and haven't started Blount yet this year so my interest is from a football perspective. Doesn't it seem like he is taking no responsibility for the season and in essence throwing his team under the bus? I'm wondering how he players are going to take this. It seems like an odd approach with only one game left in the season. I would hate to send my players into the off season with the message that they all failed me and my system.

Maybe I'm reading this wrong, how did you all take it?

I agree his approach to the media is highly questionable and its going to bury him. Morris has always been prideful and defensive and now its getting pretty desperate. He needs to be front and center about the teams failings -- pointing to either not being prepared via his coaching or not having the right players on the field. Year 1 he made the move of firing Jim Bates and then going with Josh Freeman, both worked in spades. But this year his magic touch has disappeared; Ive seen a lot of crap from the Bucs like Aqib Talib not even pretending to try and tackle (esp. the big loss v. SF) linebackers being woefully out of position and then L.Blount ups and downs (he has has always been what he is, totally undisciplined.) Morris cannot claim he suddenly became that. That's why he was a September 1st signing after being cut by the Titans and not a 2nd round draft pick.

Bottom line - Morris might survive this but it looks doubtful. Nobody cares for excuses.

 

[cubbie5150]

Really have nothing against Raheem, other than his willfulness in dealing w/ the media, resulting in him looking bad. Then again, I also don't see anything particularly compelling about him either. I'd be kinda "meh" whether Tampa kept him him or fired him.

 

[PewterFan]

It's just a cluster-something-or-another all around. It starts at top, IMO. By top, I mean Manchester United. Ownership hasn't exactly opened their wallet as of late for their American team.

 

[drummer]

Tampa Bay needs to learn the lesson the 49ers did with Singletary.

 

[NCCommish]

They had a lot of young guys play over their head last year so Morris looked like a genius and the Glazers left the money in their wallet. This year players came crashing back to earth. I still believe they have their franchise QB but he needs some help. Not sure Morris is the guy here. He may do a lot better with a veteran team.

 

[gump]

The rumors here are that Raheem is over-the-top undisciplined...even on himself...people see him out on the town all the time.

I think the lack of discipline is showing, and is clearly not the influence a young team needs.

He's fired IF the Glazers care about winning next year....if he isn't, they don't.

 

[faulkfan]

I figure, and perhaps this is inaccurate, that young players were/are probably hurt more by the missed off season training programs because they don't have a regular routine that they can fall back on when the team wasn't doing something. They probably don't have the necessary discipline to make sure they are ready for the season and I think that hurt them this year.

Raheem is no genius in my opinion, but my concern is what his players think about him basically saying, "I did what I needed to do so any failings we had is the fault of the players." That can't be good for morale.

 

[Dreamer]

I figure, and perhaps this is inaccurate, that young players were/are probably hurt more by the missed off season training programs because they don't have a regular routine that they can fall back on when the team wasn't doing something. They probably don't have the necessary discipline to make sure they are ready for the season and I think that hurt them this year.Raheem is no genius in my opinion, but my concern is what his players think about him basically saying, "I did what I needed to do so any failings we had is the fault of the players." That can't be good for morale.

This was my take as well.

 

[Raiderfan32904]

Morris is 99% (probably) gone after the season is over, so it's all moot. The real issue will be trying to find a "name" coach who is willing to take on the talent deprived Bucs going forward. Next year, the Glazers will be forced to spend some of that money they have been pinching, so that will make things interesting. But this is a team that clearly gave up, and Morris will be the fall guy for that, and it is partly his fault. Him and Dominik chose this team and rode out the season with subpar talent and no backup plan for injuries. Both Morris and Dominik should go. Start over, clean slate, rebuilding (again).

 

[Raiderfan32904]

I say that by tommorow afternoon, we'll get the news of Morris' ousting as Bucs HC. Nobody can survive a 10 game losing streak after starting 4-2, and someone has to pay the piper. On top of that, his team just quit on him in every way.

 

[Sudoku_in_the_Bathtub]

The team just isn't that good.

#mediocreyoungtalent

 

[Raiderfan32904]

Jeff Fisher spotted at the Bucs hotel in Atlanta. There's a lot of speculation (on the twitters) that the Bucs are wooing him to take over the Bucs HC job.

 

[cubbie5150]

Jeff Fisher spotted at the Bucs hotel in Atlanta. There's a lot of speculation (on the twitters) that the Bucs are wooing him to take over the Bucs HC job.

I thought the Glazer's were tight-fisted though. Would they spend that kind of $$ on a coach? Guessing he'd also want GM-esque control over personnel as well, though that's just an assumption on my part

 

[gump]

Jeff Fisher spotted at the Bucs hotel in Atlanta. There's a lot of speculation (on the twitters) that the Bucs are wooing him to take over the Bucs HC job.

He's saying he was there to watch his son's bowl game in Atlanta....but there are also reports that he's interested in two jobs....Indy and TB.

 

[gump]

Raheem has been fired.

Entire staff also fired. Dominic retained....so far at least.

 

[Osaurus]

Raheem has been fired. Entire staff also fired. Dominic retained....so far at least.

Youngry no more. I guess Ronde's not coming back either if he does what he says.

 

[Quez]

The rumors here are that Raheem is over-the-top undisciplined...even on himself...people see him out on the town all the time.I think the lack of discipline is showing, and is clearly not the influence a young team needs.He's fired IF the Glazers care about winning next year....if he isn't, they don't.

I have heard all of these rumors as well. Practices weren't nearly as crisp as when JG was there, didn't cover as much. Players constantly skipping practices and meetings, Blount was a name specifically mentioned.Dominick should go to because of the Michael Clayton signing. I'm still pissed that they paid that jerk off and then he said "checks already cashed" when asked about his performance.A few more knocks on Dominick,-Quincy Black signing-Derick Ward-trading up to get Arelious Benn-dumping Caddy and not having enough rb depth-dumping Rudd and not having enough LB depth-trading up for Freeman is still questionable-I dont think he has handled the Talib thing well but it came out Raheem was the one backing TalibPositive things he has done,-Kellen Winslow (i think that was him)-hitting on Mike Williams-Blount-Briscoe-Preston Parker-KoenenI'm still wondering how much the Glazers have had MD's hands tied but he still was the GM that resigned Michael Clayton so he has to go to.I think what happened was an internal coup. The Glazers said when they fired the Glazers they had talked to people within the organization (players, staff, etc) I'm willing to bet Raheem, MD, Clayton, Ronde Barber were all for them getting rid of JG. They made their own bed and now they are sleeping in it.So the future, I'm very interested to see how committed this team is to winning. Will they hire a big name that sells seats? Will they try and sell us on another bargain coach? What coach is going to want to come in here if he has to build thru the draft and can't get any free agents?We have gaping holes at LB and in the secondary. Blount is going to be a huge problem when he wants to get paid like a top 10 RB. That's guaranteed to be a distraction this off-season. I don't think he is an every down back anyways but I think if used the right way he is great. He is more of a Mike Alstott type runner imo. But 2 backs can work fine in the NFL so lets see...Back to the holes, -DB-LB-RB-#1 WRAt first glance in the draft I say either Blackmond, Richardson, or a top CB. Sorry for the rant, haven't posted in a while so I had quite a bit to get off my chest.As far as coaches - Raheem has made me see a need for a disciplinarian and someone with HC experience.

 

[Cawbird]

Even though the Glazer's are cheap, it would make sense to bring in the likes of a Jeff Fisher. Yes, he would command some good money to be spent, but next year starts the salary floor, so Tampa will be forced to spend.

 

[Premier]

I'm pretty sure giving up a relatively meaningless 5th-round pick for Freeman is no longer "questionable". Jesus, it's not like they gave up 3 1st round picks for him.

 

[ConfusedRealist]

The rumors here are that Raheem is over-the-top undisciplined...even on himself...people see him out on the town all the time.I think the lack of discipline is showing, and is clearly not the influence a young team needs.He's fired IF the Glazers care about winning next year....if he isn't, they don't.

I have heard all of these rumors as well. Practices weren't nearly as crisp as when JG was there, didn't cover as much. Players constantly skipping practices and meetings, Blount was a name specifically mentioned.Dominick should go to because of the Michael Clayton signing. I'm still pissed that they paid that jerk off and then he said "checks already cashed" when asked about his performance.A few more knocks on Dominick,-Quincy Black signing-Derick Ward-trading up to get Arelious Benn-dumping Caddy and not having enough rb depth-dumping Rudd and not having enough LB depth-trading up for Freeman is still questionable-I dont think he has handled the Talib thing well but it came out Raheem was the one backing TalibPositive things he has done,-Kellen Winslow (i think that was him)-hitting on Mike Williams-Blount-Briscoe-Preston Parker-KoenenI'm still wondering how much the Glazers have had MD's hands tied but he still was the GM that resigned Michael Clayton so he has to go to.I think what happened was an internal coup. The Glazers said when they fired the Glazers they had talked to people within the organization (players, staff, etc) I'm willing to bet Raheem, MD, Clayton, Ronde Barber were all for them getting rid of JG. They made their own bed and now they are sleeping in it.So the future, I'm very interested to see how committed this team is to winning. Will they hire a big name that sells seats? Will they try and sell us on another bargain coach? What coach is going to want to come in here if he has to build thru the draft and can't get any free agents?We have gaping holes at LB and in the secondary. Blount is going to be a huge problem when he wants to get paid like a top 10 RB. That's guaranteed to be a distraction this off-season. I don't think he is an every down back anyways but I think if used the right way he is great. He is more of a Mike Alstott type runner imo. But 2 backs can work fine in the NFL so lets see...Back to the holes, -DB-LB-RB-#1 WRAt first glance in the draft I say either Blackmond, Richardson, or a top CB. Sorry for the rant, haven't posted in a while so I had quite a bit to get off my chest.As far as coaches - Raheem has made me see a need for a disciplinarian and someone with HC experience.

Good post. Sadly, Dominik looks like he's keeping his job. :(

 

[Quez]

I'm pretty sure giving up a relatively meaningless 5th-round pick for Freeman is no longer "questionable". Jesus, it's not like they gave up 3 1st round picks for him.

That obviously wasn't a major knock on the guy, I was just listing things off the top of my head. I forgot it was only a 5th. Anyways, it's all trivial bs because imo he should have been fired for resigning Michael Clayton. What's your opinion on Dom?

 

[Grahamburn]

I thought Dominik was a genius after last season and the draft this season. I'm not sure what happened after the 4-2 start in 2011. They looked like a different team. Injuries, scheme, discipline? This team was/is a mess, and they got there in a hurry.

I want to believe the talent is there, somewhat. If a more disciplined coach can come in with some strong assistants I'll still support a "build through the draft" approach with a free agent sprinkled in here and there.

If the Glazers go with another guy that has no track record it'll be difficult to give full support to the organization.

 

[Sweet Love]

I'm pretty sure giving up a relatively meaningless 5th-round pick for Freeman is no longer "questionable". Jesus, it's not like they gave up 3 1st round picks for him.

Seriously...where would Tampa be today without him? Rocking a guy like Blaine Gabbert after giving Josh Johnson a couple of years to try to run it? I also don't see the issue with Benn (way too early to be so strong against him) or how signing Caddy would have helped anything (guy was hurt part of the year...yes, can you believe it??).

 

[Premier]

I'm pretty sure giving up a relatively meaningless 5th-round pick for Freeman is no longer "questionable". Jesus, it's not like they gave up 3 1st round picks for him.

That obviously wasn't a major knock on the guy, I was just listing things off the top of my head. I forgot it was only a 5th. Anyways, it's all trivial bs because imo he should have been fired for resigning Michael Clayton. What's your opinion on Dom?

I think Dom is fine. The penalties, turnovers and sloppy play are all on Rah. He made the players too comfortable. This team isn't as good as the team that went on a 14-8 run and they aren't as bad as the team that lost 10 in a row. The truth is somewhere in the middle. I think Dom deserves a chance with a more structured coach.

 

[Raiderfan32904]

This team isn't as good as the team that went on a 14-8 run and they aren't as bad as the team that lost 10 in a row. The truth is somewhere in the middle. I think Dom deserves a chance with a more structured coach.

Problem with hiring a "structured coach" is that he's going to be of no more authority than than Raheem. Another "youngry" coach with a cheap lameduck contract on a short leash. Yeah, perfect.The problem with keeping Dom is that the Bucs right now need a name veteran respected head coach like Jeff Fisher. Problem there is that no one who is an established coaching commodity is going to work with Dom under Glazers tightfisted direction.

 

[bucsbaby]

Need the Glazers to open up the pursestrings and bring in an experienced and talented HC.

I like Freeman, though I wonder if he'll ever develop into an elite QB.

I like Benn and think he's looked great out there for a young WR. I like M Williams to rebound after dropping a bunch this year. The WRs are a strength of this team.

Very glad Rah and the staff are gone. Needed to be done.

The D is b-r-u-t-a-l. Need the DL to get healthy and more experience. The back 7 need to be seriously overhauled. Probably need to bring in some beefier guys to rotate on the DL to stop the run.

Here's to hoping for next year.

 

[Raiderfan32904]

The D was brutal, but the O had it's fingerprints on this 10 game season ending meltdown. Over the last 5 games, they lost by an average of 23 pts, while overall the Bucs offense committed 40 turnovers. It can be argued that no team was as bad as the Bucs toward the end of this season. No team was less competitive. Regardless of record.

 

[Two Deep]

He's a players coach. Wants to be one of the guys. It don't work.

 

[Da Guru]

The only sure way a team will fire a coach is if the players quit on that coach. The players quit on Morris so his fate was sealed.

 

[gump]

http://www.heraldtribune.com/article/20120102/WIRE/120109936?p=1&tc=pg

Bucs looking at Fisher, Billick or former Hurricane Chudzinski

By RICK BROWN, The Ledger

Published: Monday, January 2, 2012 at 7:21 p.m.

Some coordinators are hot right now, including those who the Bucs are familiar with -- Atlanta's offensive coordinator Mike Mularkey.

The 50-year-old has ties to the Bucs, having coached the tight ends from 1994-95. He also has head coaching experience with the Buffalo Bills from 2004 and 2005. The former Gator was 14-18 in two years with the Bills.

The hottest coordinator in the NFL right now is Rob Chudzinski of the Carolina Panthers.

A former tight end at the University of Miami, Chudzinski is being credited with the rapid success of Panther quarterback Cam Newton.

The Bucs could also go back and hire Herm Edwards.

Edwards, 57, was the Bucs' defensive back coach from 1996-2000. He also coached with the New York Jets and the Kansas City Chiefs, although he did not have winning records with either squad. Overall, Edwards was 54-74. He is now an analyst with ESPN.

Glazer said there was no timetable to hiring the new coach.

If the Glazers hire Herm....I predict an immediate 25% drop in season ticket holders next year.

 

[Grahamburn]

Herminator would be an epic fail.

 

[GeauxTigers]

He's a players coach. Wants to be one of the guys. It don't work.

Players coaches don't work in the NFL. You have to instill discipline and if you give in to players constantly, they will be running the asylum, they can do no wrong, they will not be held accountable and they will not play with fear of losing their job. You want to get the best out of a player? Make him scared of losing his job.Look at how Belicheck runs the Pats and then look at how Morris runs the Bucs. You tell me who gets the best out his players.

 

[Quez]

I heard a rumor today from 2 sources that the Bucs are selling the team to Debartolo. This has been rumored before and I probably wouldn't have even posted it but I heard it from 2 people who had different sources. One apparently from someone at OneBuc and the other from someone that has something to do with the owners suite. From their tone at the pc the other day it sure didn't sound like they were getting rid of the team. Although, I could see a partial sale or something. Anyways, just a rumor so take it for what it's worth.

 

[bucsbaby]

The D was brutal, but the O had it's fingerprints on this 10 game season ending meltdown. Over the last 5 games, they lost by an average of 23 pts, while overall the Bucs offense committed 40 turnovers. It can be argued that no team was as bad as the Bucs toward the end of this season. No team was less competitive. Regardless of record.

The O was bad, no doubt, but I attribute part of that to 1) the D being so bad (O being put in bad positions and also not being able to run the football as much) and 2) the shortened offseason combined with youth at QB and WR. I hope that with another offseason and better coaching that the O will bounce back next year. I also hope I'm not wrong because, otherwise, the team is a TOTAL trainwreck

 

[Premier]

I heard a rumor today from 2 sources that the Bucs are selling the team to Debartolo. This has been rumored before and I probably wouldn't have even posted it but I heard it from 2 people who had different sources. One apparently from someone at OneBuc and the other from someone that has something to do with the owners suite. From their tone at the pc the other day it sure didn't sound like they were getting rid of the team. Although, I could see a partial sale or something. Anyways, just a rumor so take it for what it's worth.

I highly doubt this. Even with lower attendance, that team is just freaking printing money. I can't imagine why they would sell.

 

[gump]

Falcons OC Mike Mularkey planned for an interview.

 

[gump]

Fisher down to Miami and St Louis.

Wonder if the Glazers even considered him due to expected salary, or if Fisher would want more control than the Glazers would give.

 

[Raiderfan32904]

Fisher down to Miami and St Louis.Wonder if the Glazers even considered him due to expected salary, or if Fisher would want more control than the Glazers would give.

The writing was on the wall as soon as they announced that they were retaining Dom. No way a guy like Fisher is going to work under him. He wants organizational control or at least one of his guys running the team. I think the Bucs are going to end up hiring another "youngry" OC that is chomping at the bit to break into a HC role. No Fisher, No Cowher coming. Whoever it is they get, they need a guy that has a set coaching philosophy in place. A guy that comes in and cleans house. "You-you-you and you, come with me. You-you-you, and you, pack your bags". Hopefully it's a coach that has a plan on how he expects to lead the team back and it has a blueprint that is already in place. No more trial-by-fire or on-the-job training of Raheem Morris. This team needs focus and also needs to weed out players who lack the commitment to stick to the coaches vision. There are a lot of good coordinators out there the Bucs can hire, but they should be looking above all else someone who is secure in what they expect and a clear vision and leadership. Raheem for all his energy and desire lacked both.