Rams Voiding SJax's Contract After Season (1 Viewer)

[EBF]

Have people already forgotten about the 2nd round pick they drafted this year?

no he's backing up the other rookie, daryl richardson, who has thoroughly outplayed him and surpassed him on the depth chart. ask Vereen owners how much draft slot matters vs opportunity & production.

I agree that draft position doesn't matter much but a coach is going to give his 2nd round pick a chance. In Vereen's case he simply can't stay healthy while Ridley (only drafted round later) has.One of the biggest negatives on Pead was that he was a poor pass blocker, which is partially due to his size. I think he needs to get stronger and gain about 10 pounds to be more effective. Richardson has been a much better blocker and has done nothing to let Pead pass him, but next year should be very competitive between them.

Check out this run by Pead vs. Oklahoma.

He already had his chance. It was called training camp and he got decisively beaten out by Richardson.The fact that Pead was drafted higher doesn't matter much now that Richardson has seemingly convinced the coaching staff who sees them in practice every day that he's the better player. Heck, Bryant Johnson was picked ahead of Anquan Boldin. Arrelious Benn was picked ahead of Mike Williams. In both cases, it became pretty obvious pretty early that the less heralded prospect was the better player. Same deal here. The best players play, and Richardson has been outplaying Pead for months.

I still think it might be wise to acquire Pead on the cheap as insurance, but there's no real reason to think he'll push Richardson for playing time based on what we've seen so far. Fisher has shown a CLEAR preference for Richardson at every turn since these guys strapped on the pads and started competing.

 

[cstu]

I'm talking about Pead's chances next year.

 

[EBF]

Yea, I know. I still don't see any reason to think he'll push Richardson aside. The team has a lot more invested in Pead than they do in Richardson, so you'd think they'd favor him if the competition was remotely close. The fact that they are giving Richardson all this precious experience while their second rounder watches from the sidelines suggests that Richardson has outshined Pead by a wide margin.

I'm a big believer in draft position, but just because a team drafted one guy ahead of another at the same position doesn't mean he's going to end up being the better player. We've seen this time and time again with examples like Vereen/Ridley, Robiskie/Massaquoi, Johnson/Boldin, and Iglesias/Knox. In every case the later of the two picks outshined the earlier pick almost immediately and never surrendered that advantage. I don't see why this will be any different.

Bear in mind that Richardson missed the early portion of training camp with nagging injuries and still managed to pass Pead on the depth chart in a matter of weeks. Pead may well end up being a decent player, but Richardson has shown flashes of special talent and has been entrenched ahead of him on the depth chart for quite a while now. I don't see it suddenly reversing.

 

[plasticman]

Would go crazy in a Falcons uniform!

 

[Max Power]

Yea, I know. I still don't see any reason to think he'll push Richardson aside. The team has a lot more invested in Pead than they do in Richardson, so you'd think they'd favor him if the competition was remotely close. The fact that they are giving Richardson all this precious experience while their second rounder watches from the sidelines suggests that Richardson has outshined Pead by a wide margin. I'm a big believer in draft position, but just because a team drafted one guy ahead of another at the same position doesn't mean he's going to end up being the better player. We've seen this time and time again with examples like Vereen/Ridley, Robiskie/Massaquoi, Johnson/Boldin, and Iglesias/Knox. In every case the later of the two picks outshined the earlier pick almost immediately and never surrendered that advantage. I don't see why this will be any different. Bear in mind that Richardson missed the early portion of training camp with nagging injuries and still managed to pass Pead on the depth chart in a matter of weeks. Pead may well end up being a decent player, but Richardson has shown flashes of special talent and has been entrenched ahead of him on the depth chart for quite a while now. I don't see it suddenly reversing.

You had me until special talent. Richardson is obviously doing something right and Pead isn't. Could it change? Sure. But Right now Richardson is the #2 guy and it seems to be by a good amount. Pead will get a shot at some point, but if Richardson keeps doing what he is doing its going to take a very good showing on Pead's end to move up the depth chart.Tonight was my first extended view of Richardson. I saw most of the Chicago game and parts of the Seahawks game. I didn't see what people were excited about. I saw a good COP back tonight. Richardson is quick and hits the hole hard. If he finds a seam, he could be gone. What I don't see was much power or big time elusiveness. I'm sure he can improve in those area, and we haven't seen a whole lot of him run, so maybe those things will come out over the course of the season. I just don't see special in him. He reminds me a lot of Selvin Young or Jerious Norwood. The talent and potential are there, but we've seen this type of player come and go before.

 

[TheWick]

Trade him to a contender this year for a 4th rounder

WIDE RECEIVER

 

[MAC_32]

Nice. I'd like to see SJax catch on with a winner next year. Good for D Richardson's dynasty value right now too.

Sell him after his first big game, with all those picks next year they're drafting their starting RB.

 

[bulger2holt]

Trade him to a contender this year for a 4th rounder

WIDE RECEIVER

you're not going to get a decent WR for SJax. At least a 4th rounder has the chance to become decent.

 

[FavreAndAwayAnIdiot]

I guess I'm not so sure the Rams would go out and spend a high draft pick on a RB next year, simply because it's been moustache's history.

The Rams are a mess at so many other positions-- especially offensive line-- that if they go out and burn a top 4 pick on another RB after drafting 2 this season (1 of whom may be starter material) I would have to assume the fans of that team would riot. For Chrissake they're making a receiving-focused TE block 95% of the time just so Bradford has a small chance of surviving until next week's game!

I think Richardson gets all of next year to prove himself.

 

[forbidden doughnut]

It probably doesn't matter but here are some cities I'd love to see SJax go THIS year:Bengals- move over law firm. A real RB is in town.Colts- I'd love to see him here. More balance only helps this team.Lions- Good grief, what a nice place to land.

ArizonaAtlanta <- I know Turner is there, but still...

 

[cstu]

Yea, I know. I still don't see any reason to think he'll push Richardson aside. The team has a lot more invested in Pead than they do in Richardson, so you'd think they'd favor him if the competition was remotely close. The fact that they are giving Richardson all this precious experience while their second rounder watches from the sidelines suggests that Richardson has outshined Pead by a wide margin. I'm a big believer in draft position, but just because a team drafted one guy ahead of another at the same position doesn't mean he's going to end up being the better player. We've seen this time and time again with examples like Vereen/Ridley, Robiskie/Massaquoi, Johnson/Boldin, and Iglesias/Knox. In every case the later of the two picks outshined the earlier pick almost immediately and never surrendered that advantage. I don't see why this will be any different. Bear in mind that Richardson missed the early portion of training camp with nagging injuries and still managed to pass Pead on the depth chart in a matter of weeks. Pead may well end up being a decent player, but Richardson has shown flashes of special talent and has been entrenched ahead of him on the depth chart for quite a while now. I don't see it suddenly reversing.

You had me until special talent. Richardson is obviously doing something right and Pead isn't. Could it change? Sure. But Right now Richardson is the #2 guy and it seems to be by a good amount. Pead will get a shot at some point, but if Richardson keeps doing what he is doing its going to take a very good showing on Pead's end to move up the depth chart.Tonight was my first extended view of Richardson. I saw most of the Chicago game and parts of the Seahawks game. I didn't see what people were excited about. I saw a good COP back tonight. Richardson is quick and hits the hole hard. If he finds a seam, he could be gone. What I don't see was much power or big time elusiveness. I'm sure he can improve in those area, and we haven't seen a whole lot of him run, so maybe those things will come out over the course of the season. I just don't see special in him. He reminds me a lot of Selvin Young or Jerious Norwood. The talent and potential are there, but we've seen this type of player come and go before.

Pead may not pan out but there's a long history of RB's not getting a shot right away. Arian Foster didn't get a shot due to the powerhouse trio of Slaton, Moats and Brown until week 15. Michael Turner couldn't beat out Jesse Chatman. Mendenhall couldn't beat out Mewelde Moore or Gary Russell.

 

[EBF]

How many of those guys were beaten out by a rookie from their own draft class?

It's one thing to be on the bench because the coaching staff is more confident in a veteran who is less talented, but more reliable.

It's another thing entirely to be on the bench because a rookie who is just as green as you has thoroughly outplayed you.

 

[cstu]

How many of those guys were beaten out by a rookie from their own draft class?It's one thing to be on the bench because the coaching staff is more confident in a veteran who is less talented, but more reliable. It's another thing entirely to be on the bench because a rookie who is just as green as you has thoroughly outplayed you.

Foster was by Slaton.

 

[EBF]

Slaton was drafted in 2008. Foster didn't enter the NFL until 2009. He was a senior in Tennessee when Slaton was a rookie.

 

[cstu]

Slaton was drafted in 2008. Foster didn't enter the NFL until 2009. He was a senior in Tennessee when Slaton was a rookie.

You're right. I still don't see how you can write off a highly drafted RB before he gets an NFL carry. If he plays and averages 3 YPC that's one thing but all he's done is the NFL is catch the one pass thrown to him.

 

[Team ROFLCOPTERS]

What's in it for jackson? I'm not sure why he would agree to add this in. He has a guaranteed 7 million looking at him. He may get 8 million over two years on the market. Maybe he wants a ring?

 

[Inspiration]

What's in it for jackson? I'm not sure why he would agree to add this in. He has a guaranteed 7 million looking at him. He may get 8 million over two years on the market. Maybe he wants a ring?

None of his 2013 salary was guaranteed. And, as the sideline reporter alluded to during the game last night, the Rams weren't going to pay him that $7 million next year even before this agreement.

 

[EBF]

Slaton was drafted in 2008. Foster didn't enter the NFL until 2009. He was a senior in Tennessee when Slaton was a rookie.

You're right. I still don't see how you can write off a highly drafted RB before he gets an NFL carry. If he plays and averages 3 YPC that's one thing but all he's done is the NFL is catch the one pass thrown to him.

I'm not writing him off, but it's hard to imagine him suddenly becoming better than Richardson when the coaches who have seen them up close every day for the last several weeks have shown a clear preference for Daryl. There are lots of examples of players sitting behind a less talented player for years before blowing up, but the common thread in most of those cases is that the entrenched starter was a veteran with an edge in experience. Richardson and Pead both entered the league green as grass, yet Richardson is the guy getting the touches. Let's not overthink this. Occam's razor says he's just the better player.

 

[steelwind]

How about Steven Jackson to the Packers? Can run, catch and pass protect with his experience. Given the news of his contract, not a bad idea for Stl to explore a trade.

 

[Inspiration]

How about Steven Jackson to the Packers? Can run, catch and pass protect with his experience. Given the news of his contract, not a bad idea for Stl to explore a trade.

St. Louis wants to win football games. And whether or not random message board posters think they have a realistic shot at the postseason isn't going to change that philosophy.

 

[steelwind]

How about Steven Jackson to the Packers? Can run, catch and pass protect with his experience. Given the news of his contract, not a bad idea for Stl to explore a trade.

St. Louis wants to win football games. And whether or not random message board posters think they have a realistic shot at the postseason isn't going to change that philosophy.

Everyone has a price. And no one is untouchable.

 

[Inspiration]

How about Steven Jackson to the Packers? Can run, catch and pass protect with his experience. Given the news of his contract, not a bad idea for Stl to explore a trade.

St. Louis wants to win football games. And whether or not random message board posters think they have a realistic shot at the postseason isn't going to change that philosophy.

Everyone has a price. And no one is untouchable.

I'd feel pretty comfortable stating that the Packers won't meet that price by giving up a high pick for a RB making $7 million this year (see: 2010 Green Bay Packers).

 

[Bad_Mo]

Bump...so maybe this thread grows legs and finds its way to GB management.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

How about Steven Jackson to the Packers? Can run, catch and pass protect with his experience. Given the news of his contract, not a bad idea for Stl to explore a trade.

StL is 3-2. They may want to perhaps make a playoff run.

 

[Coeur de Lion]

How about Steven Jackson to the Packers? Can run, catch and pass protect with his experience. Given the news of his contract, not a bad idea for Stl to explore a trade.

St. Louis wants to win football games. And whether or not random message board posters think they have a realistic shot at the postseason isn't going to change that philosophy.

Everyone has a price. And no one is untouchable.

I'd feel pretty comfortable stating that the Packers won't meet that price by giving up a high pick for a RB making $7 million this year (see: 2010 Green Bay Packers).

Although he seems like the kind of guy who will take less $$$ to get a shot at a ring as a FA.

 

[Otis]

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[Max Power]

The issue is 2013 and beyond...

I think Sjax is still good for 8-12 hardcore runs a week. If he goes to a team like the Steelers, he will be a high end #2 RB... any other team, he is closer to a #3/flex in 2013.

THE GUY HAS TALENT!!! He isn't as washed up so some might think. Buy now, thank me later...

 

[Proteus]

The return of Amendola was the best thing for SJax.

Bradford has his binky back,and as a result the Rams offense is finally respectable, and I agree--Steven Jackson still has a lot of fight in him and a lot of ability, and unquestionable toughness.

All he needed was an offense that didn't shift into panic mode by the middle of the second quarter.

 

[need2know]

He looked pretty good yesterday and got far more carries than he has been. is he back in RB2 territory? Playing NYJ this week. he might finally get back in my lineup...

 

[nastynate]

He looked pretty good yesterday and got far more carries than he has been. is he back in RB2 territory? Playing NYJ this week. he might finally get back in my lineup...

...and then he'll go off for 12 for 43 I'm calling fool's gold on this one...but I might still roll with him next week (over Dwyer/Mendenhall).