Ramsey wants to be traded (1 Viewer)

[the spanker]

Published Mon Sep 12 9:47:00 p.m. CT 2005

(KFFL) Adam Schefter, of NFL.com, reports Washington Redskins QB Patrick Ramsey wants to be traded. After Redskins head coach Joe Gibbs informed Ramsey that QB Mark Brunell would be the team's new starting quarterback, Ramsey informed Gibbs he is not happy and would like a change of scenery.

http://www.kffl.com/entry/index_myfantasyleague.php

 

[Jason Wood]

Why should this be considered a problem for Skins fans, what has Ramsey done to give them any indication he's not disposable?

 

[the spanker]

Published Mon Sep 12 9:47:00 p.m. CT 2005

(KFFL) Adam Schefter, of NFL.com, reports Washington Redskins QB Patrick Ramsey wants to be traded. After Redskins head coach Joe Gibbs informed Ramsey that QB Mark Brunell would be the team's new starting quarterback, Ramsey informed Gibbs he is not happy and would like a change of scenery.

http://www.kffl.com/entry/index_myfantasyleague.php

Brother, what's to say anyone wants him and he's stays there and is not happy?

 

[schooner44]

Dear Patrick,Thats a super idea. I highly recommend requesting a trade so you can uproot your life to be a backup QB in a different NFL city.Schooner44PS Here's a better idea...Stop making stupid decisions that cause interceptions and your team to lose.

 

[BigRed]

lol if he thinks anyone will pay him more than league min.

 

[red]

traded?!?!!? to whom!?!?!? the CFL...or my nephew's pop warner team?!!?!? they're looking for a new bus driver....

 

[4thAndForever]

I don't blame Ramsey. Joe Gibbs has no idea what he's doing any more, plain and simple. Pick a GD quarterback, and stick with him. This revolving door crap will get the Redskins nowhere.And Ramsey looked like he had a lot of potential before he started getting jerked around so much. Put him on a team like the Dolphins, a team that could use a fresh young, arm, with a coach who has confidence in him and will let him grow, and you might have something.Dallas, Chicago, Arizona, or Cleveland should offer a draft pick for him.

 

[realamerican85]

If it weren't for the mental mistakes Ramsey and Drew Bledsoe I would say Ramsey would be in an interesting situation in Dallas.

 

[Family Matters]

Why should this be considered a problem for Skins fans, what has Ramsey done to give them any indication he's not disposable?

Exactly when have the Redskins shown him any support? Spurrier nearly ruined him. And Gibbs has done nothing but say I do not want you. He has not given Ramsey any support since he returned. Here is what Gibbs has done to him:1. Acquired Brunell.

2. Started Brunell even though he sucked and in spite of his performance. This said to Ramsey, I think you suck so bad I'm going to keep killing this team just to avoid starting you.

3. Ramsey named starter. Ramsey gets the off season as the starter and knowing he's getting the chance to finally lead this team and he appears to have Gibbs support, finally.

4. Gibbs surprises everyone and drafts a QB in the first round, despite more pressing needs, Once agin he says to Ramsey, you suck and I don't want you as my starter.

5. 1st game and Ramsey gets dinged. Comes out and his career is basically over in Wash.

Please help me understand how this kid was given a fair shot? This is likely the worst handling of a QB I've seen. Frankly, I don't blame him. He'll never have a fair chance in DC now.

I would not be surprised to see him kick butt in another uniform however!

 

[njxbean]

Ramsey never got a fair shake. Plain and simple. And to say your going with qb. to go with him through training camp and preseason. And to bench him after a quarter, is just plain idiotic. Give him to the bye week at the very least. Im a redskins fan, and i think Gibbs is an idiot!!!! him and snyder.

 

[Jason Wood]

Why should this be considered a problem for Skins fans, what has Ramsey done to give them any indication he's not disposable?

Exactly when have the Redskins shown him any support? Spurrier nearly ruined him. And Gibbs has done nothing but say I do not want you. He has not given Ramsey any support since he returned. Here is what Gibbs has done to him:1. Acquired Brunell.

2. Started Brunell even though he sucked and in spite of his performance. This said to Ramsey, I think you suck so bad I'm going to keep killing this team just to avoid starting you.

3. Ramsey named starter. Ramsey gets the off season as the starter and knowing he's getting the chance to finally lead this team and he appears to have Gibbs support, finally.

4. Gibbs surprises everyone and drafts a QB in the first round, despite more pressing needs, Once agin he says to Ramsey, you suck and I don't want you as my starter.

5. 1st game and Ramsey gets dinged. Comes out and his career is basically over in Wash.

Please help me understand how this kid was given a fair shot? This is likely the worst handling of a QB I've seen. Frankly, I don't blame him. He'll never have a fair chance in DC now.

I would not be surprised to see him kick butt in another uniform however!

Do you honestly think you're seeing the whole picture here? Obviously Gibbs sees something he REALLY doesn't like with Ramsey. If the kid has no command of the huddle or locker room, you CAN'T go into a NFL season with him at the helm. He's done nothing on the field to make an objective person believe he's not disposable, particularly with the Redskins having invested a 1st rounder in Campbell.

 

[BigRed]

Nice to see Ramsey's family here. Yeah I can't imagine why Gibbs doesn't stick it out with Ramsey, who just sucks game after game after game after game after.......

 

[4thAndForever]

Do you honestly think you're seeing the whole picture here? Obviously Gibbs sees something he REALLY doesn't like with Ramsey. If the kid has no command of the huddle or locker room, you CAN'T go into a NFL season with him at the helm.

But Jason, the Redskins did exactly that...

 

[Family Matters]

Why should this be considered a problem for Skins fans, what has Ramsey done to give them any indication he's not disposable?

Exactly when have the Redskins shown him any support? Spurrier nearly ruined him. And Gibbs has done nothing but say I do not want you. He has not given Ramsey any support since he returned. Here is what Gibbs has done to him:1. Acquired Brunell.

2. Started Brunell even though he sucked and in spite of his performance. This said to Ramsey, I think you suck so bad I'm going to keep killing this team just to avoid starting you.

3. Ramsey named starter. Ramsey gets the off season as the starter and knowing he's getting the chance to finally lead this team and he appears to have Gibbs support, finally.

4. Gibbs surprises everyone and drafts a QB in the first round, despite more pressing needs, Once agin he says to Ramsey, you suck and I don't want you as my starter.

5. 1st game and Ramsey gets dinged. Comes out and his career is basically over in Wash.

Please help me understand how this kid was given a fair shot? This is likely the worst handling of a QB I've seen. Frankly, I don't blame him. He'll never have a fair chance in DC now.

I would not be surprised to see him kick butt in another uniform however!

Do you honestly think you're seeing the whole picture here? Obviously Gibbs sees something he REALLY doesn't like with Ramsey. If the kid has no command of the huddle or locker room, you CAN'T go into a NFL season with him at the helm. He's done nothing on the field to make an objective person believe he's not disposable, particularly with the Redskins having invested a 1st rounder in Campbell.

Well you could be right and we'd have no way of knowing. Let's assume for a minute you are right. If that's the case then why did he enter the season with Ramsey as his man? This makes no sense. No one and I mean no one changes their starting QB in the first half. It just doesn't happen. And switching to Brunell? Please. What exactly did he show last year? One of the worst QB performances I've ever witnessed.Nothing about this makes any sense to me at all. I say this and I'm a Gibbs fan. And I am not a Ramsey fan. Just an objective point of view.

 

[realamerican85]

Nice to see Ramsey's family here.

Yeah I can't imagine why Gibbs doesn't stick it out with Ramsey, who just sucks game after game after game after game after.......

I'm so confused by this statement I think I puked in my mouth a little bit... Isn't that what Gibbs is doing with Brunell...

 

[Football Jones]

What is Gibbs' fascination with Mark Brunell? LOL. I'll be absolutely shocked if he leads them anywhere (he doesn't have it anymore, IMO). I know Skins' fans don't want to hear this, but if they're not going to go with Ramsey (not saying they should or shouldn't), they'd be better off "punting" this year & start the Jason Campbell era.If you handle a rookie QB correctly, I don't believe the old addage about ruining their confidence is true. Anyway, I'll fully admit I was wrong & eat my hat if they make the playoffs with Brunell at the helm.

 

[Twisted]

Ramsey never got a fair shake. Plain and simple. And to say your going with qb. to go with him through training camp and preseason. And to bench him after a quarter, is just plain idiotic. Give him to the bye week at the very least. Im a redskins fan, and i think Gibbs is an idiot!!!! him and snyder.

 

[Johnny Ice]

Brunell definitely is no physical match for Ramsey, HOWEVER, Ramsey turns the ball over entirely too much and Gibbs is sick of it. Ramsey threw 4 INTs in 4 preseason games then starts off the regular season with a pick and a fumble before he leaves with injury in the 2nd qtr. Gibbs does not trust the guy and it's clear why he shouldn't. I know Brunell is not going to light it up but at least he protects the ball and our D will have a shot to keep us in some games.

 

[Twisted]

Brunell definitely is no physical match for Ramsey, HOWEVER, Ramsey turns the ball over entirely too much and Gibbs is sick of it. Ramsey threw 4 INTs in 4 preseason games then starts off the regular season with a pick and a fumble before he leaves with injury in the 2nd qtr. Gibbs does not trust the guy and it's clear why he shouldn't. I know Brunell is not going to light it up but at least he protects the ball and our D will have a shot to keep us in some games.

& the Colts did not win any preseason games. Preseason means nothing.Ramsey is getting such a raw deal it's ashame.

 

[BigJim®]

Nice to see Ramsey's family here.

Yeah I can't imagine why Gibbs doesn't stick it out with Ramsey, who just sucks game after game after game after game after.......

Exactly, so why not cut bait on him after 1 quarter and insert Brunell who just sucks game after game after game after game after...

 

[Bears_Man2]

I pray the Bears don't go for him. I'd rather bring back Hutchinson (yes I said it) back from surfing.

 

[Johnny Ice]

Brunell definitely is no physical match for Ramsey, HOWEVER, Ramsey turns the ball over entirely too much and Gibbs is sick of it. Ramsey threw 4 INTs in 4 preseason games then starts off the regular season with a pick and a fumble before he leaves with injury in the 2nd qtr. Gibbs does not trust the guy and it's clear why he shouldn't. I know Brunell is not going to light it up but at least he protects the ball and our D will have a shot to keep us in some games.

& the Colts did not win any preseason games. Preseason means nothing.Ramsey is getting such a raw deal it's ashame.

Pre-season does mean everything for a QB who hasn't proven anything. We aren't talking about Manning, Culpepper, or McNabb here. If you are a coach trying to win games you aren't going to continue to allow your QB to throw games away.

 

[KnowledgeReignsSupreme]

Ramsey should've raised his hand when Gibbs asked for the players who didn't want to be there this year.They could've kept Hasselbeck and considered any of the cheap backups on the market.As scary as this sounds, it seems that Kerry Collins would've been the correct option when Garcia, Brunell and Collins were all available last year. Who knew?

 

[Don Quixote]

Ramsey should've raised his hand when Gibbs asked for the players who didn't want to be there this year.

They could've kept Hasselbeck and considered any of the cheap backups on the market.

Ramsey asked to be traded after the Skins drafted Campbell. Gibbs talked to Ramsey and told him that he was still his guy and he rescinded his request based on that conversation.His request to be traded really shouldn't come as any surprise.

 

[the rover]

Ramsey would make a fine backup to Dilfer.

 

[redman]

Ramsey should've raised his hand when Gibbs asked for the players who didn't want to be there this year.

They could've kept Hasselbeck and considered any of the cheap backups on the market.

As scary as this sounds, it seems that Kerry Collins would've been the correct option when Garcia, Brunell and Collins were all available last year. Who knew?

The guy I wanted Gibbs to get was Dilfer, although that would have required a trade. Dilfer is an experienced hand who can manage a game and avoid mistakes, and he has an arm capable of making a deep pass. Whatever, that's water under the bridge. At this point I truly don't know what the plan is at the QB position.

 

[Twisted]

I pray the Bears don't go for him. I'd rather bring back Hutchinson (yes I said it) back from surfing.

Are you drunk?I'd like my Phins to take a shot at him. Feeley sucks

 

[Twisted]

Brunell definitely is no physical match for Ramsey, HOWEVER, Ramsey turns the ball over entirely too much and Gibbs is sick of it. Ramsey threw 4 INTs in 4 preseason games then starts off the regular season with a pick and a fumble before he leaves with injury in the 2nd qtr. Gibbs does not trust the guy and it's clear why he shouldn't. I know Brunell is not going to light it up but at least he protects the ball and our D will have a shot to keep us in some games.

& the Colts did not win any preseason games. Preseason means nothing.Ramsey is getting such a raw deal it's ashame.

Pre-season does mean everything for a QB who hasn't proven anything. We aren't talking about Manning, Culpepper, or McNabb here. If you are a coach trying to win games you aren't going to continue to allow your QB to throw games away.

When Ramsey was actually given a shot (not under Gibbs) he started to look like he had potential. Yea, Brunell was great last year.

 

[redman]

Why should this be considered a problem for Skins fans, what has Ramsey done to give them any indication he's not disposable?

Exactly when have the Redskins shown him any support? Spurrier nearly ruined him. And Gibbs has done nothing but say I do not want you. He has not given Ramsey any support since he returned. Here is what Gibbs has done to him:1. Acquired Brunell.

2. Started Brunell even though he sucked and in spite of his performance. This said to Ramsey, I think you suck so bad I'm going to keep killing this team just to avoid starting you.

3. Ramsey named starter. Ramsey gets the off season as the starter and knowing he's getting the chance to finally lead this team and he appears to have Gibbs support, finally.

4. Gibbs surprises everyone and drafts a QB in the first round, despite more pressing needs, Once agin he says to Ramsey, you suck and I don't want you as my starter.

5. 1st game and Ramsey gets dinged. Comes out and his career is basically over in Wash.

Please help me understand how this kid was given a fair shot? This is likely the worst handling of a QB I've seen. Frankly, I don't blame him. He'll never have a fair chance in DC now.

I would not be surprised to see him kick butt in another uniform however!

The only thing I take issue with is what I've bolded. Brunell clearly outplayed Ramsey a year ago in preseason because Brunell picked up the offense faster; in contrast, Ramsey looked hesitant and lost. Once Brunell got injured vs. the Giants, he lost his fastball and by the time week 10 rolled around, Ramsey had learned the offense enough to be a credible starter in light of Brunell's obvious deficiences. I don't know how Ramsey will end up. I could see him end up out of the league in 2-3 years, being a journeyman backup like Frerotte, or landing on his feet as a good starter like Trent Green did. He's got nice talent; he also makes bad mistakes. Given the obstacles he's faced in Washington, it's hard to know which is more indicative of his future.

 

[KnowledgeReignsSupreme]

of the league in 2-3 years, being a journeyman backup like Frerotte, or landing on his feet as a good starter like Trent Green did. He's got nice talent; he also makes bad mistakes. Given the obstacles he's faced in Washington, it's hard to know which is more indicative of his future.

Ex-Redskins QBs have a way of doing that. Look at Green, Brad Johnson and now even Frerotte.

 

[BuckeyeArt]

Why should this be considered a problem for Skins fans, what has Ramsey done to give them any indication he's not disposable?

Exactly when have the Redskins shown him any support? Spurrier nearly ruined him. And Gibbs has done nothing but say I do not want you. He has not given Ramsey any support since he returned. Here is what Gibbs has done to him:1. Acquired Brunell.

2. Started Brunell even though he sucked and in spite of his performance. This said to Ramsey, I think you suck so bad I'm going to keep killing this team just to avoid starting you.

3. Ramsey named starter. Ramsey gets the off season as the starter and knowing he's getting the chance to finally lead this team and he appears to have Gibbs support, finally.

4. Gibbs surprises everyone and drafts a QB in the first round, despite more pressing needs, Once agin he says to Ramsey, you suck and I don't want you as my starter.

5. 1st game and Ramsey gets dinged. Comes out and his career is basically over in Wash.

Please help me understand how this kid was given a fair shot? This is likely the worst handling of a QB I've seen. Frankly, I don't blame him. He'll never have a fair chance in DC now.

I would not be surprised to see him kick butt in another uniform however!

Do you honestly think you're seeing the whole picture here? Obviously Gibbs sees something he REALLY doesn't like with Ramsey. If the kid has no command of the huddle or locker room, you CAN'T go into a NFL season with him at the helm. He's done nothing on the field to make an objective person believe he's not disposable, particularly with the Redskins having invested a 1st rounder in Campbell.

And just what could he have possibly seen in Brunnell last year? If he dislikes Ramsey so much, why not release him? He's had since last year to get the QB situation straight. He certainly didn't JUST recognize the problem.

 

[redman]

FYI, apparently Ramsey denied asking for a trade on the local DC Comcast sports update. Jimmy Sexton, OTOH, issued a "no comment" in response to that question. It's been Sexton who has talked to the media in the past and made those kinds of demands, and for that reason, and because making waves is out of character for Ramsey, I'd have to believe that Sexton and not Ramsey made the trade demand.

 

[Bbaier]

Chicago Bears tried to get him a couple of years ago. Just say no Jerry Angelo. I'd rather watch us lose with Orton than not win with Ramsey.

 

[redman]

of the league in 2-3 years, being a journeyman backup like Frerotte, or landing on his feet as a good starter like Trent Green did.  He's got nice talent; he also makes bad mistakes.  Given the obstacles he's faced in Washington, it's hard to know which is more indicative of his future.

Ex-Redskins QBs have a way of doing that. Look at Green, Brad Johnson and now even Frerotte.

Green I grant you. Brad Johnson's arm was shot and he couldn't throw the deep ball after about week 7 in 1999. That remained the case in Tampa, though the WCO system with its shorter routes was kinder to him.

Frerotte is a guy we ought to watch for a couple of more weeks before we annoint him, finally in his 11th season, as a successful NFL starter, don't you think?

 

[Johnny Ice]

Brunell definitely is no physical match for Ramsey, HOWEVER, Ramsey turns the ball over entirely too much and Gibbs is sick of it. Ramsey threw 4 INTs in 4 preseason games then starts off the regular season with a pick and a fumble before he leaves with injury in the 2nd qtr. Gibbs does not trust the guy and it's clear why he shouldn't. I know Brunell is not going to light it up but at least he protects the ball and our D will have a shot to keep us in some games.

& the Colts did not win any preseason games. Preseason means nothing.Ramsey is getting such a raw deal it's ashame.

Pre-season does mean everything for a QB who hasn't proven anything. We aren't talking about Manning, Culpepper, or McNabb here. If you are a coach trying to win games you aren't going to continue to allow your QB to throw games away.

When Ramsey was actually given a shot (not under Gibbs) he started to look like he had potential. Yea, Brunell was great last year.

Whoever said Brunell had a great year, I guess you just wanted to use a smiley Again Gibbs is sick of Ramsey's turnovers. Gibbs has decided that the 11 picks in 9 appearances last season, 4 in preseason, and another 2 turnovers in limited action Sunday is enough.

 

[redman]

Whoever said Brunell had a great year, I guess you just wanted to use a smiley

Again Gibbs is sick of Ramsey's turnovers. Gibbs has decided that the 11 picks in 9 appearances last season, 4 in preseason, and another 2 turnovers in limited action Sunday is enough.

Here's the thing: Ramsey in 7 starts (weeks 11-17) last year threw 8 TD's and 6 INT's and 1305 yards. Over 18 games that projects out to 18 TD's and 14 INT's and 2988 yards. People forget that he had a disastrous relief appearance when Brunell was injured vs. the Giants in week 3, throwing 4 INT's IIRC. Those aren't Pro Bowl numbers, but there's no other QB in the league with comparable numbers who's out of a job either. Ramsey's also thrown more TD's than INT's in his career, which is remarkable given the fact that he's had nothing but distractions and merely modest talent around him for the most part. I acknowlege he makes bad decisions, but to label him as a bust is ridiculous. Heath Shuler he's not.

 

[Bears_Man2]

I pray the Bears don't go for him. I'd rather bring back Hutchinson (yes I said it) back from surfing.

Are you drunk?I'd like my Phins to take a shot at him. Feeley sucks

Nope. He'd only get in the way of Orton. Ramsey holds onto the ball far too long -- like Hutchinson -- and is inaccurate as well. He's not contending for the starting job in Chicago either anytime soon. By the time he'd get into knowing the playbook, Grossman would be back & Ramsey would be the 3rd QB. I don't think Ramsey is a starter in the NFL personally.Ramsey likely interests the Phins more because they've got no internal options for a QB of the future. Hopefully a trade would turn out better than giving a 2nd rounder for Feeley.

 

[Johnny Ice]

Whoever said Brunell had a great year, I guess you just wanted to use a smiley

Again Gibbs is sick of Ramsey's turnovers. Gibbs has decided that the 11 picks in 9 appearances last season, 4 in preseason, and another 2 turnovers in limited action Sunday is enough.

Here's the thing: Ramsey in 7 starts (weeks 11-17) last year threw 8 TD's and 6 INT's and 1305 yards. Over 18 games that projects out to 18 TD's and 14 INT's and 2988 yards. People forget that he had a disastrous relief appearance when Brunell was injured vs. the Giants in week 3, throwing 4 INT's IIRC. Those aren't Pro Bowl numbers, but there's no other QB in the league with comparable numbers who's out of a job either. Ramsey's also thrown more TD's than INT's in his career, which is remarkable given the fact that he's had nothing but distractions and merely modest talent around him for the most part. I acknowlege he makes bad decisions, but to label him as a bust is ridiculous. Heath Shuler he's not.

Not once did I call Ramsey a bust, I feel if he gets a fresh start somewhere he may be a productive QB. Gibbs does not trust the guy so obviously he will never be the man in D.C.

 

[vacaver1]

Granted, it was under Norv Turner's regime, but I'm starting to have visions of Heath Shuler. Are we getting close to seeing Patrick Ramsey Realty?

 

[SSOG]

Why should this be considered a problem for Skins fans, what has Ramsey done to give them any indication he's not disposable?

Exactly when have the Redskins shown him any support? Spurrier nearly ruined him. And Gibbs has done nothing but say I do not want you. He has not given Ramsey any support since he returned. Here is what Gibbs has done to him:1. Acquired Brunell.

2. Started Brunell even though he sucked and in spite of his performance. This said to Ramsey, I think you suck so bad I'm going to keep killing this team just to avoid starting you.

3. Ramsey named starter. Ramsey gets the off season as the starter and knowing he's getting the chance to finally lead this team and he appears to have Gibbs support, finally.

4. Gibbs surprises everyone and drafts a QB in the first round, despite more pressing needs, Once agin he says to Ramsey, you suck and I don't want you as my starter.

5. 1st game and Ramsey gets dinged. Comes out and his career is basically over in Wash.

Please help me understand how this kid was given a fair shot? This is likely the worst handling of a QB I've seen. Frankly, I don't blame him. He'll never have a fair chance in DC now.

I would not be surprised to see him kick butt in another uniform however!

A freakin' men. QBs need to be given a shot to see how good they are. They need some snaps with the first team offense in practice, and they need some game experience. That's how you develop a QB. They're NEVER good to begin with, you have to develop them. And nobody has taken to the time to develop Ramsey. He went from getting KILLED with Spurrier's horrible protections (and still gritting it out and playing much better than any other QB in DC), to getting absolutely ignored by Gibbs (again, despite drastically outplaying Mark Brunell last year).I'm surprised he's stayed loyal for this long, honestly. I'd want him just because he seems like he would never be a problem in the locker room. Get him sacked 50 times, he won't complain.

More important than just Ramsey's turnovers, look at Washington's scoring offense with Ramsey in and look at their scoring offense with Brunell in. It's night and day. Washington set an NFL record for failing to break 20 points until week 12. In Brunell's 9 games, Wash scored 12.8 points per game. Then they switched to Ramsey, who opened against a brutal pair of defenses in Philly and Pitt... and then a funny thing happened. Washington averaged 20.4 points per game from then on out, breaking 20 3 times out of 5, and even breaking 30 once.

Bottom line- Brunell completed 49.8 passes to Ramsey's 62.1. Brunell averaged 5.0 yards per attempt to Ramsey's 6.1. Brunell threw for 7 TDs and 6 INTs to Ramsey's 10 and 11. And Brunell is starting next week. If I were Ramsey, I'd want out, too.

 

[Mr. Jinx]

Why should this be considered a problem for Skins fans, what has Ramsey done to give them any indication he's not disposable?

Exactly when have the Redskins shown him any support? Spurrier nearly ruined him. And Gibbs has done nothing but say I do not want you. He has not given Ramsey any support since he returned. Here is what Gibbs has done to him:1. Acquired Brunell.

2. Started Brunell even though he sucked and in spite of his performance. This said to Ramsey, I think you suck so bad I'm going to keep killing this team just to avoid starting you.

3. Ramsey named starter. Ramsey gets the off season as the starter and knowing he's getting the chance to finally lead this team and he appears to have Gibbs support, finally.

4. Gibbs surprises everyone and drafts a QB in the first round, despite more pressing needs, Once agin he says to Ramsey, you suck and I don't want you as my starter.

5. 1st game and Ramsey gets dinged. Comes out and his career is basically over in Wash.

Please help me understand how this kid was given a fair shot? This is likely the worst handling of a QB I've seen. Frankly, I don't blame him. He'll never have a fair chance in DC now.

I would not be surprised to see him kick butt in another uniform however!

A freakin' men. QBs need to be given a shot to see how good they are. They need some snaps with the first team offense in practice, and they need some game experience. That's how you develop a QB. They're NEVER good to begin with, you have to develop them. And nobody has taken to the time to develop Ramsey. He went from getting KILLED with Spurrier's horrible protections (and still gritting it out and playing much better than any other QB in DC), to getting absolutely ignored by Gibbs (again, despite drastically outplaying Mark Brunell last year).I'm surprised he's stayed loyal for this long, honestly. I'd want him just because he seems like he would never be a problem in the locker room. Get him sacked 50 times, he won't complain.

More important than just Ramsey's turnovers, look at Washington's scoring offense with Ramsey in and look at their scoring offense with Brunell in. It's night and day. Washington set an NFL record for failing to break 20 points until week 12. In Brunell's 9 games, Wash scored 12.8 points per game. Then they switched to Ramsey, who opened against a brutal pair of defenses in Philly and Pitt... and then a funny thing happened. Washington averaged 20.4 points per game from then on out, breaking 20 3 times out of 5, and even breaking 30 once.

Bottom line- Brunell completed 49.8 passes to Ramsey's 62.1. Brunell averaged 5.0 yards per attempt to Ramsey's 6.1. Brunell threw for 7 TDs and 6 INTs to Ramsey's 10 and 11. And Brunell is starting next week. If I were Ramsey, I'd want out, too.

I'd be happy to see Ramsey get a shot -- with another team. The Skins have far too good a defense to start the season in rebuilding mode like that. I know a lot of folks think the Skins have no shot at doing anything this year. A 6-10 record the previous season tends to do that... The thing to remember is that not one of those 10 losses were blowouts. The Skins were competitive in each game - to the point that one or two plays in any of those games reversed could've changed the outcome. The blocked punt for TD in the Ravens game. The bad clock management in the first Dallas game. Smoot falling flat at the end of the second Dallas game, Ramsey's "horrible" pass at the end of the 2nd Philly game... The team wasn't far from being a contender despite their record. They're not going to have a big offense again this year, but the one thing the team can't afford is a QB that turns the ball over frequently. I'd rather take my chances with Brunell running the revamped Musgrave-induced pseudo-Jacksonville offense than sit and wait for Ramsey to mature over the course of the season. If things don't work, we'll have Jason Campbell for that...

 

[cstu]

Brunell definitely is no physical match for Ramsey, HOWEVER, Ramsey turns the ball over entirely too much and Gibbs is sick of it. Ramsey threw 4 INTs in 4 preseason games then starts off the regular season with a pick and a fumble before he leaves with injury in the 2nd qtr. Gibbs does not trust the guy and it's clear why he shouldn't. I know Brunell is not going to light it up but at least he protects the ball and our D will have a shot to keep us in some games.

Ramsey has had 33 TD's to 28 INT's in 3 half seasons of being jerked around. I know a lot of QB's who have been given more of a chance from doing less.

 

[cstu]

Granted, it was under Norv Turner's regime, but I'm starting to have visions of Heath Shuler. Are we getting close to seeing Patrick Ramsey Realty?

Sorry, I can't take anyone seriously that compares Ramsey to Shuler.

 

[cstu]

Whoever said Brunell had a great year, I guess you just wanted to use a smiley

Again Gibbs is sick of Ramsey's turnovers. Gibbs has decided that the 11 picks in 9 appearances last season, 4 in preseason, and another 2 turnovers in limited action Sunday is enough.

Here's the thing: Ramsey in 7 starts (weeks 11-17) last year threw 8 TD's and 6 INT's and 1305 yards. Over 18 games that projects out to 18 TD's and 14 INT's and 2988 yards. People forget that he had a disastrous relief appearance when Brunell was injured vs. the Giants in week 3, throwing 4 INT's IIRC. Those aren't Pro Bowl numbers, but there's no other QB in the league with comparable numbers who's out of a job either. Ramsey's also thrown more TD's than INT's in his career, which is remarkable given the fact that he's had nothing but distractions and merely modest talent around him for the most part. I acknowlege he makes bad decisions, but to label him as a bust is ridiculous. Heath Shuler he's not.

Not once did I call Ramsey a bust, I feel if he gets a fresh start somewhere he may be a productive QB. Gibbs does not trust the guy so obviously he will never be the man in D.C.

That was obvious from the moment they drafted Campbell, but you can't blame Ramsey for being pissed about his situation. I thought Gibbs had finally realized you need to give young QB's time to develop, but I guess he hasn't learned a thing. Good luck with NASCAR next year Joe.

 

[Irish]

Why should this be considered a problem for Skins fans, what has Ramsey done to give them any indication he's not disposable?

Exactly when have the Redskins shown him any support? Spurrier nearly ruined him. And Gibbs has done nothing but say I do not want you. He has not given Ramsey any support since he returned. Here is what Gibbs has done to him:1. Acquired Brunell.

2. Started Brunell even though he sucked and in spite of his performance. This said to Ramsey, I think you suck so bad I'm going to keep killing this team just to avoid starting you.

3. Ramsey named starter. Ramsey gets the off season as the starter and knowing he's getting the chance to finally lead this team and he appears to have Gibbs support, finally.

4. Gibbs surprises everyone and drafts a QB in the first round, despite more pressing needs, Once agin he says to Ramsey, you suck and I don't want you as my starter.

5. 1st game and Ramsey gets dinged. Comes out and his career is basically over in Wash.

Please help me understand how this kid was given a fair shot? This is likely the worst handling of a QB I've seen. Frankly, I don't blame him. He'll never have a fair chance in DC now.

I would not be surprised to see him kick butt in another uniform however!

Do you honestly think you're seeing the whole picture here? Obviously Gibbs sees something he REALLY doesn't like with Ramsey. If the kid has no command of the huddle or locker room, you CAN'T go into a NFL season with him at the helm. He's done nothing on the field to make an objective person believe he's not disposable, particularly with the Redskins having invested a 1st rounder in Campbell.

Gibbs might have seen something he didn't like with Ramsey, but what does the old man see in Brunell that thinks he is the answer. Oh yeah the religion thing. The game has long passed by Gibbs.

 

[Family Matters]

Glad to see I'm not the only one that thinks Ransey is getting a bum deal in Wash. In fact I've been a lifetime fan of Gibbs but this one is leaving me scratching my head. What is he thining? Consider what he could of done if he had not taken this position with Ramsey from the begionning:1. FA dollars invested into Brunell could of gone to other needs like WR.2. First round draft pick could of gone to other needs instead of another high priced QB.So right there those 2 factors could change this team from losers to contenders. They're not that far from being contenders and yet Gibbs wants to break it down because of his issues with Ramsey. I just don't get it. Has Gibbs lost it?Ramsey has been playing with one eye looking over his shoulder because he's never been given the trust and support form Gibbs that every QB needs. Gibbs make decisions that leave Ramsey wondering when will he cut me. How can anyone succeed in that environment?

 

[GreedoShotFirst]

I can't even read this thread. It just makes me :X

 

[fatness]

Gibbs obviously has an issue with Ramsey's turnovers. He apparently doesn't have an issue with Brunell's inability to pass well. The sound you hear is the linebackers and safeties in the league moving up closer to the line of scrimmage when they play the Redskins. There goes your running room, Clinton.

 

[cstu]

I just finished watching the extended highlights of the game and here's what I saw happening with Ramsey. He looked good passing the ball (6/11 for 105 yards) though he threw a pick on the first series. After that he settled down and played well leading the team down the field. He should have had a TD to Cooley that was called back for a push off by Cooley. Also, the play in which he lost the fumble was a clothesline that should have been called for a penalty (hard to hold on to a ball when you are getting choked).How does that justify benching the guy?

 

[BigJim®]

I just finished watching the extended highlights of the game and here's what I saw happening with Ramsey. He looked good passing the ball (6/11 for 105 yards) though he threw a pick on the first series. After that he settled down and played well leading the team down the field. He should have had a TD to Cooley that was called back for a push off by Cooley.

How does that justify benching the guy?

It doesn't. The pictures Brunell has of Gibbs romancing a goat justifies benching the guy.