Randy Moss = Braylon Edwards now (1 Viewer)

[emge]

Just heard on the radio that Randy Moss is not any better than Braylon Edwards now.... thoughts?

 

[basher]

That isn't necessarily a huge insult for a guy who is 7 years older then braylon. Although i do believe Moss has infinitely better hands then Braylon.

 

[FUBAR]

if Braylon put it together he could be one of the best WRs in the league. The same can be said for Moss.

I believe Moss has a better chance of putting it together, but the statement isn't as outlandish as it appears at first.

 

[thriftyrocker]

He gets more respect from opposing defenses than Edwards, so ostensibly - from an NFL perspective - he is a better player.

 

[sn0mm1s]

Laughable - can you recall the last time Braylon Edwards drew double teams on 90% of his pass plays? I really can't recall a WR that drew as much double coverage as Moss has this year.

 

[NYRAGE]

yet no one but Tenn put in a claim for him

 

[footballnerd]

for callers

 

[packersfan]

yet no one but Tenn put in a claim for him

Not saying there aren't good reasons why that was the case but few teams wanted TO last summer and he's having a strong year for the Bengals. Again, I'm not saying there aren't legitimate reasons why teams shied away from Moss and I'm not saying he'll have a TO-like impact on the Titans (I highly doubt he will since I think it's a weak situation for him to produce much) but the fact only one team placed a bid on Moss may or may not be an accurate reflection of his true value.As far as the original statement, Moss is the superior WR because he demands so much attention. Edwards, though, is at least capable of getting a 100-yard game at some point which it would appear is far beyond Moss' present reach.

 

[Kitrick Taylor]

Laughable - can you recall the last time Braylon Edwards drew double teams on 90% of his pass plays? I really can't recall a WR that drew as much double coverage as Moss has this year.

That may be true, but how much of that is due to reputation vs actual production this season? Moss is tied for 78th in the NFL right now with 22 receptions (on 47 targets), and the guys he's tied with include: Jordy Nelson, Steve Breaston, Patrick Crayton, Braylon Edwards, Devery Henderson, Robert Meachem, Kevin Walter, Roy Williams. Some missed time with injury, most are part time players.He's 66th in the NFL in receiving yards, and has caught 46% of his targets from Brady and Favre.About the only stat he looks good on right now is he's tied for 10th with receiving TDs.Not saying the guy isn't any good. He's just seriously lacking in production this year.

 

[Papa Georgio]

Laughable - can you recall the last time Braylon Edwards drew double teams on 90% of his pass plays? I really can't recall a WR that drew as much double coverage as Moss has this year.

That may be true, but how much of that is due to reputation vs actual production this season? Moss is tied for 78th in the NFL right now with 22 receptions (on 47 targets), and the guys he's tied with include: Jordy Nelson, Steve Breaston, Patrick Crayton, Braylon Edwards, Devery Henderson, Robert Meachem, Kevin Walter, Roy Williams. Some missed time with injury, most are part time players.He's 66th in the NFL in receiving yards, and has caught 46% of his targets from Brady and Favre.About the only stat he looks good on right now is he's tied for 10th with receiving TDs.Not saying the guy isn't any good. He's just seriously lacking in production this year.

Not saying Moss hasn't declined but he was phased out of the game plan for 2 games with NE and then very few WR step in mid-season to a new team and a new system and produce. Add to it that I never see him not double teamed and I think this accounts for some of the slide in his #'s. I still think he is a top 15 talent.

 

[Clifford]

Moss skills have declined a little bit, but his attitude and work ethic have demonstrably exaggerated that decline. Moss simply doesn't work hard anymore (at getting open or beating double teams).

 

[az_prof]

He gets more respect from opposing defenses than Edwards, so ostensibly - from an NFL perspective - he is a better player.

 

[Sweet Love]

He gets more respect from opposing defenses than Edwards, so ostensibly - from an NFL perspective - he is a better player.

I think this is true to an extent, but would it be any better if a team decided to take Amendola out of the game by doubling him and letting Gibson go off for 85 yards and a TD? If Amendola walked away with 2-24, would we say it is a product of him getting doubled or his issue because he could not take advantage when he gets doubled and the times he is not. The difference is, that guys like AJ and Fitz get doubled all the time, but still manage to put up top 20-25 stats. ALL good receivers get doubled at some point, and while Moss may see more doubles than most, I see guys like Jennings and Colston putting up stats (abliet streaky). Moss is putting up Jordy Nelson-type numbers and if he really was at top 15 talent, I am guessing he could do that while also being triple covered at times. If Moss was in the WR30-range, I could buy the argument; but not at this time.

 

[Neil Beaufort Zod]

He gets more respect from opposing defenses than Edwards, so ostensibly - from an NFL perspective - he is a better player.

I think this is true to an extent, but would it be any better if a team decided to take Amendola out of the game by doubling him and letting Gibson go off for 85 yards and a TD? If Amendola walked away with 2-24, would we say it is a product of him getting doubled or his issue because he could not take advantage when he gets doubled and the times he is not. The difference is, that guys like AJ and Fitz get doubled all the time, but still manage to put up top 20-25 stats. ALL good receivers get doubled at some point, and while Moss may see more doubles than most, I see guys like Jennings and Colston putting up stats (abliet streaky). Moss is putting up Jordy Nelson-type numbers and if he really was at top 15 talent, I am guessing he could do that while also being triple covered at times. If Moss was in the WR30-range, I could buy the argument; but not at this time.

It's hard to put up top 20-25 numbers when you get 2-3 targets. Moss' teams use that coverage to focus on other parts of the offense. AJ and Fitz are the only real receiving options on their teams. Tennessee doesn't sound like a team to force him the ball since they run so much but I don't see many receiving options for them, either.In NE, Moss made Welker better. Hard to argue that Harvin wasn't better with Moss. Production increased; it just wasn't Moss' production. Now, what would happen if they let Moss go and covered someone else instead? I don't know, but defenses don't seem to want to find out. He caught a nice pass against the Jets from a desperate Favre.

 

[Kitrick Taylor]

He gets more respect from opposing defenses than Edwards, so ostensibly - from an NFL perspective - he is a better player.

I think this is true to an extent, but would it be any better if a team decided to take Amendola out of the game by doubling him and letting Gibson go off for 85 yards and a TD? If Amendola walked away with 2-24, would we say it is a product of him getting doubled or his issue because he could not take advantage when he gets doubled and the times he is not. The difference is, that guys like AJ and Fitz get doubled all the time, but still manage to put up top 20-25 stats. ALL good receivers get doubled at some point, and while Moss may see more doubles than most, I see guys like Jennings and Colston putting up stats (abliet streaky). Moss is putting up Jordy Nelson-type numbers and if he really was at top 15 talent, I am guessing he could do that while also being triple covered at times. If Moss was in the WR30-range, I could buy the argument; but not at this time.

It's hard to put up top 20-25 numbers when you get 2-3 targets. Moss' teams use that coverage to focus on other parts of the offense. AJ and Fitz are the only real receiving options on their teams. Tennessee doesn't sound like a team to force him the ball since they run so much but I don't see many receiving options for them, either.In NE, Moss made Welker better. Hard to argue that Harvin wasn't better with Moss. Production increased; it just wasn't Moss' production. Now, what would happen if they let Moss go and covered someone else instead? I don't know, but defenses don't seem to want to find out. He caught a nice pass against the Jets from a desperate Favre.

He's got 47 targets through 8 weeks.

 

[Neil Beaufort Zod]

He gets more respect from opposing defenses than Edwards, so ostensibly - from an NFL perspective - he is a better player.

I think this is true to an extent, but would it be any better if a team decided to take Amendola out of the game by doubling him and letting Gibson go off for 85 yards and a TD? If Amendola walked away with 2-24, would we say it is a product of him getting doubled or his issue because he could not take advantage when he gets doubled and the times he is not. The difference is, that guys like AJ and Fitz get doubled all the time, but still manage to put up top 20-25 stats. ALL good receivers get doubled at some point, and while Moss may see more doubles than most, I see guys like Jennings and Colston putting up stats (abliet streaky). Moss is putting up Jordy Nelson-type numbers and if he really was at top 15 talent, I am guessing he could do that while also being triple covered at times. If Moss was in the WR30-range, I could buy the argument; but not at this time.

It's hard to put up top 20-25 numbers when you get 2-3 targets. Moss' teams use that coverage to focus on other parts of the offense. AJ and Fitz are the only real receiving options on their teams. Tennessee doesn't sound like a team to force him the ball since they run so much but I don't see many receiving options for them, either.In NE, Moss made Welker better. Hard to argue that Harvin wasn't better with Moss. Production increased; it just wasn't Moss' production. Now, what would happen if they let Moss go and covered someone else instead? I don't know, but defenses don't seem to want to find out. He caught a nice pass against the Jets from a desperate Favre.

He's got 47 targets through 8 weeks.

MFL shows him at 41 targets, which is only about five a game. I was thinking about the two bombs that represented his last games in NE and MIN-- one target and two targets. He also only had three targets against the Bills (and caught two TDs). In half his games he's had three or less. I don't think you can expect big numbers when your team isn't throwing to you even once a quarter.

 

[FUBAR]

He gets more respect from opposing defenses than Edwards, so ostensibly - from an NFL perspective - he is a better player.

I think this is true to an extent, but would it be any better if a team decided to take Amendola out of the game by doubling him and letting Gibson go off for 85 yards and a TD? If Amendola walked away with 2-24, would we say it is a product of him getting doubled or his issue because he could not take advantage when he gets doubled and the times he is not. The difference is, that guys like AJ and Fitz get doubled all the time, but still manage to put up top 20-25 stats. ALL good receivers get doubled at some point, and while Moss may see more doubles than most, I see guys like Jennings and Colston putting up stats (abliet streaky). Moss is putting up Jordy Nelson-type numbers and if he really was at top 15 talent, I am guessing he could do that while also being triple covered at times. If Moss was in the WR30-range, I could buy the argument; but not at this time.

Moss is the #34, #38, #36, and #38 WR in my leagues. Keeping in mind he changed teams and was essentially taken out of 2 games, that's not all that bad.

 

[heidbrink]

Just heard on the radio that Randy Moss is not any better than Braylon Edwards now.... thoughts?

Was this some sort of "rediculous statement" segment? Because it obviosly is. One thing I know is Randy has hands at the ends of his arms. Not sure whether braylon has hams there or another set of feet but it sure isn't hands.

 

[2Squirrels1Nut]

That isn't necessarily a huge insult for a guy who is 7 years older then braylon. Although i do believe Moss has infinitely better hands then Braylon.

Braylon has hands?

 

[todisco1]

Edwards is actually having an okay season.

 

[2Squirrels1Nut]

Edwards is actually having an okay season.

Yup, you really have to hand it to him.

 

[DenverBlitz]

It’s never really been about Randy Moss talent, we all know he is/was a gifted athlete. His is has always been the Randy upstairs.

Look at the passing schedule of the Titans and the defensive schema team use against them, Safeties in the box to stop CJ and 1 on 1 matchups could be more predominant. These things should get Randy excited for that matter any WR excited but it won’t cause Randy upstairs doesn’t think he is getting his deserved respect.

Therefore Randy Moss will be sitting on my bench the rest of the season with the rest of his talent toiling away.

 

[DenverBlitz]

Edwards is actually having an okay season.

Yup, you really have to hand it to him.

LOL Hand

 

[Neofight]

That isn't necessarily a huge insult for a guy who is 7 years older then braylon. Although i do believe Moss has infinitely better hands then Braylon.

Once upon a time I would have agreed, but over the last few seasons Moss' hands have not been reliable at all. Last season he had 8 drops and this year he is tied for the league led of 6 (with the likes of Brandon Gibson, Brent Celek and TO). Of his 6 drops this season, 3 were certain TD's as he was standing in the end zone. Over the same time period Braylon Edwards has been absent from the league leaders after having 16 drops in '08, following his breakout '07 season. On the face of these trends it would seem that Braylon is clearly on his way to becoming a more consistent pass catcher while Moss and his great hands have been struggling; whether this is due to a decline in skill, concentration or the possibility that Randy just doesn't care anymore I'm not certain. The results are what they are however.For this season I think Moss went to the best possible team for him and his potential to return to being a consistently productive WR, though clearly not the Moss from '07 (or anywhere near that). Most scouts/NFL types I've heard talk about him during the waiver wire sweepstakes nearly unanimously agreed that his skills have diminished, that he is not getting separation and that he doesn't go up and get the ball like he did just a few seasons ago; but they mostly all agreed that they would go after him (if they were certain teams) because he still has the ability to stretch the field. Whether teams continue to double Randy or not is debatable and will likely determine his personal stats (and thus his fantasy value). Personally I feel the Patriots did what they did because they knew they could get into Randy's head and get him out of his game early on, making him pretty much irrelevant. They were right, but other teams may take a chance on single coverage. If Moss gets single coverage a majority of the time from here on out I'd say he likely puts up numbers at least as good as Braylon's, if he is double teamed he is gonna continue to break hearts.The fact that the Titans were the only team to place a claim on Moss likely has as much to do with what Moss' agent was telling teams on the phone as it has to do with his play on the field- there was only a handful of teams he was willing to report to.

 

[gethugefast1]

That isn't necessarily a huge insult for a guy who is 7 years older then braylon. Although i do believe Moss has infinitely better hands then Braylon.

Once upon a time I would have agreed, but over the last few seasons Moss' hands have not been reliable at all. Last season he had 8 drops and this year he is tied for the league led of 6 (with the likes of Brandon Gibson, Brent Celek and TO). Of his 6 drops this season, 3 were certain TD's as he was standing in the end zone. Over the same time period Braylon Edwards has been absent from the league leaders after having 16 drops in '08, following his breakout '07 season. On the face of these trends it would seem that Braylon is clearly on his way to becoming a more consistent pass catcher while Moss and his great hands have been struggling; whether this is due to a decline in skill, concentration or the possibility that Randy just doesn't care anymore I'm not certain. The results are what they are however.For this season I think Moss went to the best possible team for him and his potential to return to being a consistently productive WR, though clearly not the Moss from '07 (or anywhere near that). Most scouts/NFL types I've heard talk about him during the waiver wire sweepstakes nearly unanimously agreed that his skills have diminished, that he is not getting separation and that he doesn't go up and get the ball like he did just a few seasons ago; but they mostly all agreed that they would go after him (if they were certain teams) because he still has the ability to stretch the field. Whether teams continue to double Randy or not is debatable and will likely determine his personal stats (and thus his fantasy value). Personally I feel the Patriots did what they did because they knew they could get into Randy's head and get him out of his game early on, making him pretty much irrelevant. They were right, but other teams may take a chance on single coverage. If Moss gets single coverage a majority of the time from here on out I'd say he likely puts up numbers at least as good as Braylon's, if he is double teamed he is gonna continue to break hearts.The fact that the Titans were the only team to place a claim on Moss likely has as much to do with what Moss' agent was telling teams on the phone as it has to do with his play on the field- there was only a handful of teams he was willing to report to.

 

[fantasizing]

Moss skills have declined a little bit, but his attitude and work ethic have demonstrably exaggerated that decline. Moss simply doesn't work hard anymore (at getting open or beating double teams).

I agree with this 199%. It doesn't matter how much talent you have, if you don't put in the work, you will suck, and suck badly.Talent alone won't cut it , not at this level of competition. Now, on the flip side, if you are very talented AND you work like a dog, you will be unstoppable. That's why I always liked TO better than Moss, even though I think Moss is more gifted talent wise. TO works like a dog on and off the field. In fact, if it wasn't for Palmer's ridiculously inaccurate throws this season,TO would be leading all WR's in the NFL.

 

[packersfan]

Therefore Randy Moss will be sitting on my bench the rest of the season with the rest of his talent toiling away.

He's done well in each of his first games with a new team. Even with the Vikings, his best game this season was his first one. I'm starting him next week because of that and hoping that he'll boost his trade value. I may not trade him. I want to see how he's used, although I already have my suspicions based on the comments I read today, but if I can get at least one more good game out of him and then dangle him as trade bait before Week 11 I'd like to do that.