Randy Moss from here on out (1 Viewer)

[pghrob]

Three targets for Randy Moss in week 2 is not going to do it for a WR1. How do you think the Pats are going to game plan on offense this week v. Miami>

 

[NeverEnough]

Three targets for Randy Moss in week 2 is not going to do it for a WR1. How do you think the Pats are going to game plan on offense this week v. Miami>

Moss will have a field day

 

[Anonymous Internet User]

Three targets for Randy Moss in week 2 is not going to do it for a WR1. How do you think the Pats are going to game plan on offense this week v. Miami>

Moss will have a field day

a field day as a decoy?

 

[Liquid Tension]

I would love a Moss for Marshall, but I know the Marshall owner and he's on Brandon's jock hard.

Offering Moss for Marshall 1 for 1 right now is nothing short of an insult.

I understand that it sounds nuts, but I would wager a bet that Marshall ends the year with better numbers than Moss. I'm just unnaturally high on Marshall I suppose.

I think maybe you misunderstood me.

Ah, so I guess we agree...!

Very much so. I own Marshall. If the Moss owner offered him straight up, I don't think I'd even reply.

To say offering Moss is an insult is absurd. I would not be surprised if Moss outscores Marshall this year. Even in Dynasty knowing Brady will be back, you have to figure Moss could outscore Marshall as well for the next few years...Being insulted is crazy though

It is JMO... what can I tell ya? I will say this. *If both players stay healthy*, there is no chance Moss outscores Marshall the rest of this year.And I made no mention of dynasty, though I'd still take Marshall.

NO chance?

 

[fasteddie_21]

Just moved him w/ garrard & LJ for JStew, Boldin and Edwards.

I'm happy since Moss really is an enigma, wrapped in bacon, going forward, imo.

 

[vasco75]

Three targets for Randy Moss in week 2 is not going to do it for a WR1. How do you think the Pats are going to game plan on offense this week v. Miami>

Moss will have a field day

Pats fan here. After watching last week's game when Randy only had 3 targets, he really seemed disinterested in the game. I think that the Pats stayed true to their colors, had an offensive gameplan to avoid throwing at Darrelle Revis (who is a very good corner) and minimize the margin of error for Cassel. This really seemed to tick Randy off as he looked like his dog died.Having said that, I'm thinking that Randy will go off this weekend. McDaniel will find a way to get Randy as involved as he can since there really isn't anyone on Miami that can hang with him. This will also be a way of "not losing" Randy.I expect at least 100 yards and 1 TD...Just my .02...

 

[Futeki]

Three targets for Randy Moss in week 2 is not going to do it for a WR1. How do you think the Pats are going to game plan on offense this week v. Miami>

Moss will have a field day

Pats fan here. After watching last week's game when Randy only had 3 targets, he really seemed disinterested in the game. I think that the Pats stayed true to their colors, had an offensive gameplan to avoid throwing at Darrelle Revis (who is a very good corner) and minimize the margin of error for Cassel. This really seemed to tick Randy off as he looked like his dog died.Having said that, I'm thinking that Randy will go off this weekend. McDaniel will find a way to get Randy as involved as he can since there really isn't anyone on Miami that can hang with him. This will also be a way of "not losing" Randy.I expect at least 100 yards and 1 TD...Just my .02...

Thanks for the insight.

 

[Raider Nation]

I would love a Moss for Marshall, but I know the Marshall owner and he's on Brandon's jock hard.

Offering Moss for Marshall 1 for 1 right now is nothing short of an insult.

I understand that it sounds nuts, but I would wager a bet that Marshall ends the year with better numbers than Moss. I'm just unnaturally high on Marshall I suppose.

I think maybe you misunderstood me.

Ah, so I guess we agree...!

Very much so. I own Marshall. If the Moss owner offered him straight up, I don't think I'd even reply.

To say offering Moss is an insult is absurd. I would not be surprised if Moss outscores Marshall this year. Even in Dynasty knowing Brady will be back, you have to figure Moss could outscore Marshall as well for the next few years...Being insulted is crazy though

It is JMO... what can I tell ya? I will say this. *If both players stay healthy*, there is no chance Moss outscores Marshall the rest of this year.And I made no mention of dynasty, though I'd still take Marshall.

NO chance?

That's what I wrote, yes.I'd put money on it, too. How about you?

 

[SteelerMurf]

I do have a tough decision this week as I have Jennings riding the bench. But since Moss has a bye next week I think I can live with giving Randy another week.

 

[bad-golfer]

I'am hopeing Moss can do something this week so i could trade him away.This years Pats team is going to be bout D and running game and not Turning the ball over.

please Randy do something!!! and to think i passed on MB3 for this guy

 

[Lobary]

The Moss owner in my league put him on the block this week, so I sent him a couple of trade proposals just to test his asking price. He wants a RB and a lesser WR in return. I offered Selvin Young/Vincent Jackson or Felix Jones/Devery Henderson for Moss. He countered with Felix/Brandon Marshall(!)...looks like I won't be landing Randy, at least not this week. I doubt many Marshall owners would trade him for Moss straight up, let alone in a package deal with Felix the Cat.

 

[Raider Nation]

The Moss owner in my league put him on the block this week, so I sent him a couple of trade proposals just to test his asking price. He wants a RB and a lesser WR in return. I offered Selvin Young/Vincent Jackson or Felix Jones/Devery Henderson for Moss. He countered with Felix/Brandon Marshall(!)...looks like I won't be landing Randy, at least not this week. I doubt many Marshall owners would trade him for Moss straight up, let alone in a package deal with Felix the Cat.

Moss owners in denial that the sky is falling... they still think he has STUD value with something named Matt Cassel at QB.

 

[massraider]

Seems to me the Pats might want to avoid turnovers as much as possible, with the new QB. The most likely way for that to happen is to chuck it up to Moss downfield. Massive drop for the best WR in football.

 

[Dr. Seuss]

The Moss owner in my league put him on the block this week, so I sent him a couple of trade proposals just to test his asking price. He wants a RB and a lesser WR in return. I offered Selvin Young/Vincent Jackson or Felix Jones/Devery Henderson for Moss. He countered with Felix/Brandon Marshall(!)...looks like I won't be landing Randy, at least not this week. I doubt many Marshall owners would trade him for Moss straight up, let alone in a package deal with Felix the Cat.

Those two offers are ridiculous. Selvin Young and Felix Jones have done NOTHING so far and wouldn't be starters in a 14-team league right now. The WR you offered are borderline rosterable in 10-team leagues. Moss still has top 5 WR value at least through this week. If he puts up another 2-3 pt week then I could see knocking him out of the top 10, but there is no chance IMO that the two offers you made would ever be enough to get Moss no matter how bad he plays for the next 6-8 weeks.Edit - I should have said next-to-nothing since Felix did have a TD the first week. He'd have a lot of value if MBIII were lost for the year, but it would take a catastrophic injury like that for those trades to ever make sense for Moss.

 

[Lobary]

The Moss owner in my league put him on the block this week, so I sent him a couple of trade proposals just to test his asking price. He wants a RB and a lesser WR in return. I offered Selvin Young/Vincent Jackson or Felix Jones/Devery Henderson for Moss. He countered with Felix/Brandon Marshall(!)...looks like I won't be landing Randy, at least not this week. I doubt many Marshall owners would trade him for Moss straight up, let alone in a package deal with Felix the Cat.

Those two offers are ridiculous. Selvin Young and Felix Jones have done NOTHING so far and wouldn't be starters in a 14-team league right now. The WR you offered are borderline rosterable in 10-team leagues. Moss still has top 5 WR value at least through this week. If he puts up another 2-3 pt week then I could see knocking him out of the top 10, but there is no chance IMO that the two offers you made would ever be enough to get Moss no matter how bad he plays for the next 6-8 weeks.Edit - I should have said next-to-nothing since Felix did have a TD the first week. He'd have a lot of value if MBIII were lost for the year, but it would take a catastrophic injury like that for those trades to ever make sense for Moss.

I think you haven't been paying much attention. Felix Jones looks awesome and the Cowboys will definitely be getting him more touches as the season progresses. Selvin Young certainly has his weaknesses because of the shanahanigans, but the Moss owner has Andre Hall, so my rationale was defensible. Vincent Jackson is getting more looks than Chris Chambers, and the two key players in the Chargers offense are both dealing with bum toes. I agree that Devery is a lowball offer, but I'm not giving the other guy Felix Jones and a good receiver for a stud WR with a history of sucking and sulking with backup QBs.ETA: you must've missed the Monday night game...check the highlights on NFL.com

 

[Raider Nation]

Seems to me the Pats might want to avoid turnovers as much as possible, with the new QB. The most likely way for that to happen is to chuck it up to Moss downfield. Massive drop for the best WR in football.

Yep. Heard an interview with Jaws the other day, and he just got done watching the Pats/Jets coaches tape. He basically said exactly what you wrote. The idea now is to win 20-13 instead of 40-27. He said nearly every pass Cassel threw was something "safe"... screen passes, quick hitches, hook patterns where the target sits down and is wide open, etc. He said Cassel's job is to (here's that phrase we all hate) manage the game, and they'll do everything in their power not to put him in bad situations, which means leaning on the run game way more than before.

 

[fatboyj711]

The Moss owner in my league put him on the block this week, so I sent him a couple of trade proposals just to test his asking price. He wants a RB and a lesser WR in return. I offered Selvin Young/Vincent Jackson or Felix Jones/Devery Henderson for Moss. He countered with Felix/Brandon Marshall(!)...looks like I won't be landing Randy, at least not this week. I doubt many Marshall owners would trade him for Moss straight up, let alone in a package deal with Felix the Cat.

Those two offers are ridiculous. Selvin Young and Felix Jones have done NOTHING so far and wouldn't be starters in a 14-team league right now. The WR you offered are borderline rosterable in 10-team leagues. Moss still has top 5 WR value at least through this week. If he puts up another 2-3 pt week then I could see knocking him out of the top 10, but there is no chance IMO that the two offers you made would ever be enough to get Moss no matter how bad he plays for the next 6-8 weeks.Edit - I should have said next-to-nothing since Felix did have a TD the first week. He'd have a lot of value if MBIII were lost for the year, but it would take a catastrophic injury like that for those trades to ever make sense for Moss.

I think you haven't been paying much attention. Felix Jones looks awesome and the Cowboys will definitely be getting him more touches as the season progresses. Selvin Young certainly has his weaknesses because of the shanahanigans, but the Moss owner has Andre Hall, so my rationale was defensible. Vincent Jackson is getting more looks than Chris Chambers, and the two key players in the Chargers offense are both dealing with bum toes. I agree that Devery is a lowball offer, but I'm not giving the other guy Felix Jones and a good receiver for a stud WR with a history of sucking and sulking with backup QBs.

 

[two_dollars]

The Moss owner in my league put him on the block this week, so I sent him a couple of trade proposals just to test his asking price. He wants a RB and a lesser WR in return. I offered Selvin Young/Vincent Jackson or Felix Jones/Devery Henderson for Moss. He countered with Felix/Brandon Marshall(!)...looks like I won't be landing Randy, at least not this week. I doubt many Marshall owners would trade him for Moss straight up, let alone in a package deal with Felix the Cat.

Those two offers are ridiculous. Selvin Young and Felix Jones have done NOTHING so far and wouldn't be starters in a 14-team league right now. The WR you offered are borderline rosterable in 10-team leagues. Moss still has top 5 WR value at least through this week. If he puts up another 2-3 pt week then I could see knocking him out of the top 10, but there is no chance IMO that the two offers you made would ever be enough to get Moss no matter how bad he plays for the next 6-8 weeks.Edit - I should have said next-to-nothing since Felix did have a TD the first week. He'd have a lot of value if MBIII were lost for the year, but it would take a catastrophic injury like that for those trades to ever make sense for Moss.

I think you haven't been paying much attention. Felix Jones looks awesome and the Cowboys will definitely be getting him more touches as the season progresses. Selvin Young certainly has his weaknesses because of the shanahanigans, but the Moss owner has Andre Hall, so my rationale was defensible. Vincent Jackson is getting more looks than Chris Chambers, and the two key players in the Chargers offense are both dealing with bum toes. I agree that Devery is a lowball offer, but I'm not giving the other guy Felix Jones and a good receiver for a stud WR with a history of sucking and sulking with backup QBs.ETA: you must've missed the Monday night game...check the highlights on NFL.com

1 night makes a history?1998 Vikings 69-1313-17

1999 Vikings 80-1413-11

2000 Vikings 77-1437-15

2001 Vikings 82-1233-10

2002 Vikings 106-1347-7

2003 Vikings 111-1632-17

2004 Vikings 49-767-13

2005 Raiders 60-1005-8

2006 Raiders 42-553-3

2007 Patriots 98-1493-23

2004 and 2006 were not full seasons btw for him. I still expect 1999 type numbers out of him. He is WAY too good to be ignored in this offense. I expected the first game to be bad for him, Cassel will not have the playbook opened up much for the first game, and maybe not until after the bye week.

 

[Johnny Ice]

The Moss owner in my league put him on the block this week, so I sent him a couple of trade proposals just to test his asking price. He wants a RB and a lesser WR in return. I offered Selvin Young/Vincent Jackson or Felix Jones/Devery Henderson for Moss. He countered with Felix/Brandon Marshall(!)...looks like I won't be landing Randy, at least not this week. I doubt many Marshall owners would trade him for Moss straight up, let alone in a package deal with Felix the Cat.

Moss owners in denial that the sky is falling... they still think he has STUD value with something named Matt Cassel at QB.

I don't own Moss but I wouldn't go as far to say the sky is falling. I mean it seems like people are actually thinking Moss is going to end the year with WR3 numbers. I'll believe it when I see it.

 

[Raider Nation]

He is WAY too good to be ignored in this offense. I expected the first game to be bad for him, Cassel will not have the playbook opened up much for the first game, and maybe not until after the bye week.

The issue facing Moss owners isn't "opening up the playbook" for Matt Cassel. The issue is that his QB is Matt Cassel.

 

[joffer]

i honestly have no idea. Moss could have 2 for 21 week and the next week Cassell could toss two 60+ yard bombs to him. in general, if the Patriots can win without him, it's going to be a long season.

 

[thecardiackid]

The Moss owner in my league put him on the block this week, so I sent him a couple of trade proposals just to test his asking price. He wants a RB and a lesser WR in return. I offered Selvin Young/Vincent Jackson or Felix Jones/Devery Henderson for Moss. He countered with Felix/Brandon Marshall(!)...looks like I won't be landing Randy, at least not this week. I doubt many Marshall owners would trade him for Moss straight up, let alone in a package deal with Felix the Cat.

Those two offers are ridiculous. Selvin Young and Felix Jones have done NOTHING so far and wouldn't be starters in a 14-team league right now. The WR you offered are borderline rosterable in 10-team leagues. Moss still has top 5 WR value at least through this week. If he puts up another 2-3 pt week then I could see knocking him out of the top 10, but there is no chance IMO that the two offers you made would ever be enough to get Moss no matter how bad he plays for the next 6-8 weeks.Edit - I should have said next-to-nothing since Felix did have a TD the first week. He'd have a lot of value if MBIII were lost for the year, but it would take a catastrophic injury like that for those trades to ever make sense for Moss.

I think you haven't been paying much attention. Felix Jones looks awesome and the Cowboys will definitely be getting him more touches as the season progresses. Selvin Young certainly has his weaknesses because of the shanahanigans, but the Moss owner has Andre Hall, so my rationale was defensible. Vincent Jackson is getting more looks than Chris Chambers, and the two key players in the Chargers offense are both dealing with bum toes. I agree that Devery is a lowball offer, but I'm not giving the other guy Felix Jones and a good receiver for a stud WR with a history of sucking and sulking with backup QBs.

and re: the bolded part - why would anyone want more of the 3 (could be 4 soon) headed RBBC in Denver? F Jones isn't generally startable unless MBIII is OUT - unless you start 2 RBs and can flex a couple more. He might get some more carries to spell Barber and some mop up duty in blow outs, but unless you're getting points for return yards, he's still just a 'cuff. Nothing like LBJ @ this point.

 

[Road Warriors]

Seems to me the Pats might want to avoid turnovers as much as possible, with the new QB. The most likely way for that to happen is to chuck it up to Moss downfield. Massive drop for the best WR in football.

Yep. Heard an interview with Jaws the other day, and he just got done watching the Pats/Jets coaches tape. He basically said exactly what you wrote. The idea now is to win 20-13 instead of 40-27. He said nearly every pass Cassel threw was something "safe"... screen passes, quick hitches, hook patterns where the target sits down and is wide open, etc. He said Cassel's job is to (here's that phrase we all hate) manage the game, and they'll do everything in their power not to put him in bad situations, which means leaning on the run game way more than before.

I'd be interested to hear what the coverages were during the game where he was making all the safe throws. I read a report that Moss had a safety rolling over on virtually every play. I expect the offense to focus on ball security, and throwing into constant doubles won't happen. But Moss torched the Jets last year and it looked like they schemed to take that weapon away. Moss will get his over the course of the season. At some point, if the Pats continue to dink & dunk, the doubles will slow down and Moss will get singled up, and I think he'll still have an impact. And lets not forget that Moss excels in the redzone jump ball, so the TDs should still be there ( 10-12, maybe ). I see a 25% drop from his season projections that I had with Brady, but that still puts him as a legit WR1 in 12 team leagues.

 

[Varmint]

I just traded D. Driver straight across for R. Moss.....

I think that this is going to be about even....I'm just intrigued by the possibilities that Moss presents.

He could explode.....or implode.

...but I don't expect much more than Driver will deliver.

 

[Mikey16x]

The sky is falling. But if you hear me out, you'll understand. Moss was likely somebodies first pick in their draft, with MC at the helm and the way their focusing on "managing" the game there is no way he's going to warrant his draft position. How can anyone possibly be sold on MC yet, the guy's longest throw was a 7 yard slant. He is no Brady, and they know this... He doesn't have the same confidence.. Brady has the confidence in moss that regardless of the coverage he was just going to toss the rock up and Moss would go get it.. thats confidence... Matt does not have that nor does he have the physical tools.

I know this is probably a bad example bc there are many variable to this equation but does anybody remember Randy's stint in Oakland with Andrew Walter trying to make plays with him? If i was Randy Moss id look like my dog died aswell bc im sure he remembers it. This is a totally new team without Brady and im going to get crucified here but my prediction on the season for moss...

68/900/7... Bold i know... but its just my .02

Regardless if he surpasses my prediction, he's not going to warrant his #8 overall pick or whatever 1st round choice he was.

 

[Mikey16x]

The Moss owner in my league put him on the block this week, so I sent him a couple of trade proposals just to test his asking price. He wants a RB and a lesser WR in return. I offered Selvin Young/Vincent Jackson or Felix Jones/Devery Henderson for Moss. He countered with Felix/Brandon Marshall(!)...looks like I won't be landing Randy, at least not this week. I doubt many Marshall owners would trade him for Moss straight up, let alone in a package deal with Felix the Cat.

Moss owners in denial that the sky is falling... they still think he has STUD value with something named Matt Cassel at QB.

that counter was laughable...

 

[SteelerMurf]

Well, after listening to some of this and the Jaws breakdown I think I may give Moss a seat for Jennings this week.

I also may consider taking the TJ and Winslow for dumping Moss and Clark trade that is on the table.

 

[Road Warriors]

The sky is falling. But if you hear me out, you'll understand. Moss was likely somebodies first pick in their draft, with MC at the helm and the way their focusing on "managing" the game there is no way he's going to warrant his draft position. How can anyone possibly be sold on MC yet, the guy's longest throw was a 7 yard slant. He is no Brady, and they know this... He doesn't have the same confidence.. Brady has the confidence in moss that regardless of the coverage he was just going to toss the rock up and Moss would go get it.. thats confidence... Matt does not have that nor does he have the physical tools.I know this is probably a bad example bc there are many variable to this equation but does anybody remember Randy's stint in Oakland with Andrew Walter trying to make plays with him? If i was Randy Moss id look like my dog died aswell bc im sure he remembers it. This is a totally new team without Brady and im going to get crucified here but my prediction on the season for moss...68/900/7... Bold i know... but its just my .02Regardless if he surpasses my prediction, he's not going to warrant his #8 overall pick or whatever 1st round choice he was.

Lots of truth in this posting. Cassel won't have the confidence to throw it up to Randy whenever, regardless of coverage, which was what worked so often last year with Brady. Moss won't produce anywhere close to his draft spot. All true.The projections seem a bit low, especially on the TDs. The one thing that I keep thinking about is that it is difficult to double down in the redzone, because the routes don't take enough time to develop to roll coverages. Moss is one of the best in the game at going up and getting the ball, and should still be difficult at best to cover on the quick fade in the endzone. I still project 10-12 TDs, but most of them short.

 

[KellysHeroes]

LOL to the 1st page, total denial... Moss is going to take a huge hit... not even sure if he finishes in the top 10 of WRs.

Welker seems to be doing ok.. might want to make a move and get him cheap.

 

[Kuz]

The Moss owner in my league put him on the block this week, so I sent him a couple of trade proposals just to test his asking price. He wants a RB and a lesser WR in return. I offered Selvin Young/Vincent Jackson or Felix Jones/Devery Henderson for Moss. He countered with Felix/Brandon Marshall(!)...looks like I won't be landing Randy, at least not this week. I doubt many Marshall owners would trade him for Moss straight up, let alone in a package deal with Felix the Cat.

Obviously you wouldn't trade Marshall for Moss straight up which I 100% agree with. But I want to see more than one bad week until I would even think about trading Moss for the two offers you gave.. Come on seriously.. Felix Jones & Devery Henderson or Selvin Young & V Jackson. those offers are just as insulting.. wow..

 

[KellysHeroes]

The Moss owner in my league put him on the block this week, so I sent him a couple of trade proposals just to test his asking price. He wants a RB and a lesser WR in return. I offered Selvin Young/Vincent Jackson or Felix Jones/Devery Henderson for Moss. He countered with Felix/Brandon Marshall(!)...looks like I won't be landing Randy, at least not this week. I doubt many Marshall owners would trade him for Moss straight up, let alone in a package deal with Felix the Cat.

Obviously you wouldn't trade Marshall for Moss straight up which I 100% agree with. But I want to see more than one bad week until I would even think about trading Moss for the two offers you gave.. Come on seriously.. Felix Jones & Devery Henderson or Selvin Young & V Jackson. those offers are just as insulting.. wow..

Moss owner in a redraft... I would consider the VJax / Young offer, its very close in my eyes.

 

[gianmarco]

The Moss owner in my league put him on the block this week, so I sent him a couple of trade proposals just to test his asking price. He wants a RB and a lesser WR in return. I offered Selvin Young/Vincent Jackson or Felix Jones/Devery Henderson for Moss. He countered with Felix/Brandon Marshall(!)...looks like I won't be landing Randy, at least not this week. I doubt many Marshall owners would trade him for Moss straight up, let alone in a package deal with Felix the Cat.

Obviously you wouldn't trade Marshall for Moss straight up which I 100% agree with. But I want to see more than one bad week until I would even think about trading Moss for the two offers you gave.. Come on seriously.. Felix Jones & Devery Henderson or Selvin Young & V Jackson. those offers are just as insulting.. wow..

Moss owner in a redraft... I would consider the VJax / Young offer, its very close in my eyes.

What if they threw in Andre Hall as well?

 

[Mookie Blaylock]

The Moss owner in my league put him on the block this week, so I sent him a couple of trade proposals just to test his asking price. He wants a RB and a lesser WR in return. I offered Selvin Young/Vincent Jackson or Felix Jones/Devery Henderson for Moss. He countered with Felix/Brandon Marshall(!)...looks like I won't be landing Randy, at least not this week. I doubt many Marshall owners would trade him for Moss straight up, let alone in a package deal with Felix the Cat.

Those two offers are ridiculous. Selvin Young and Felix Jones have done NOTHING so far and wouldn't be starters in a 14-team league right now. The WR you offered are borderline rosterable in 10-team leagues. Moss still has top 5 WR value at least through this week. If he puts up another 2-3 pt week then I could see knocking him out of the top 10, but there is no chance IMO that the two offers you made would ever be enough to get Moss no matter how bad he plays for the next 6-8 weeks.Edit - I should have said next-to-nothing since Felix did have a TD the first week. He'd have a lot of value if MBIII were lost for the year, but it would take a catastrophic injury like that for those trades to ever make sense for Moss.

I think you haven't been paying much attention. Felix Jones looks awesome and the Cowboys will definitely be getting him more touches as the season progresses. Selvin Young certainly has his weaknesses because of the shanahanigans, but the Moss owner has Andre Hall, so my rationale was defensible. Vincent Jackson is getting more looks than Chris Chambers, and the two key players in the Chargers offense are both dealing with bum toes. I agree that Devery is a lowball offer, but I'm not giving the other guy Felix Jones and a good receiver for a stud WR with a history of sucking and sulking with backup QBs.

and re: the bolded part - why would anyone want more of the 3 (could be 4 soon) headed RBBC in Denver? F Jones isn't generally startable unless MBIII is OUT - unless you start 2 RBs and can flex a couple more. He might get some more carries to spell Barber and some mop up duty in blow outs, but unless you're getting points for return yards, he's still just a 'cuff. Nothing like LBJ @ this point.

Ok, I have been seeing this for a week or so and I can't figure it out so - who the hell is LBJ?

 

[beavers]

The Moss owner in my league put him on the block this week, so I sent him a couple of trade proposals just to test his asking price. He wants a RB and a lesser WR in return. I offered Selvin Young/Vincent Jackson or Felix Jones/Devery Henderson for Moss. He countered with Felix/Brandon Marshall(!)...looks like I won't be landing Randy, at least not this week. I doubt many Marshall owners would trade him for Moss straight up, let alone in a package deal with Felix the Cat.

Obviously you wouldn't trade Marshall for Moss straight up which I 100% agree with. But I want to see more than one bad week until I would even think about trading Moss for the two offers you gave.. Come on seriously.. Felix Jones & Devery Henderson or Selvin Young & V Jackson. those offers are just as insulting.. wow..

Moss owner in a redraft... I would consider the VJax / Young offer, its very close in my eyes.

What if they threw in Andre Hall as well?

 

[Sylira21]

Moss owner in my league just traded Moss, Eddie Royal, and Delhomme for MB3 and Welker. I would never make that trade - of course the guy receiving Moss is the one who lost Brady, so he's hurting at QB. So I guess it makes sense to him, but still...

 

[Scooby1974]

The Moss owner in my league put him on the block this week, so I sent him a couple of trade proposals just to test his asking price. He wants a RB and a lesser WR in return. I offered Selvin Young/Vincent Jackson or Felix Jones/Devery Henderson for Moss. He countered with Felix/Brandon Marshall(!)...looks like I won't be landing Randy, at least not this week. I doubt many Marshall owners would trade him for Moss straight up, let alone in a package deal with Felix the Cat.

Those two offers are ridiculous. Selvin Young and Felix Jones have done NOTHING so far and wouldn't be starters in a 14-team league right now. The WR you offered are borderline rosterable in 10-team leagues. Moss still has top 5 WR value at least through this week. If he puts up another 2-3 pt week then I could see knocking him out of the top 10, but there is no chance IMO that the two offers you made would ever be enough to get Moss no matter how bad he plays for the next 6-8 weeks.Edit - I should have said next-to-nothing since Felix did have a TD the first week. He'd have a lot of value if MBIII were lost for the year, but it would take a catastrophic injury like that for those trades to ever make sense for Moss.

I think you haven't been paying much attention. Felix Jones looks awesome and the Cowboys will definitely be getting him more touches as the season progresses. Selvin Young certainly has his weaknesses because of the shanahanigans, but the Moss owner has Andre Hall, so my rationale was defensible. Vincent Jackson is getting more looks than Chris Chambers, and the two key players in the Chargers offense are both dealing with bum toes. I agree that Devery is a lowball offer, but I'm not giving the other guy Felix Jones and a good receiver for a stud WR with a history of sucking and sulking with backup QBs.

and re: the bolded part - why would anyone want more of the 3 (could be 4 soon) headed RBBC in Denver? F Jones isn't generally startable unless MBIII is OUT - unless you start 2 RBs and can flex a couple more. He might get some more carries to spell Barber and some mop up duty in blow outs, but unless you're getting points for return yards, he's still just a 'cuff. Nothing like LBJ @ this point.

Ok, I have been seeing this for a week or so and I can't figure it out so - who the hell is LBJ?

Chris Johnson of Tenn..........don't really get the LBJ though....

 

[Raider Nation]

Has the sky fallen yet?

SELL!

SELL!

SELL!

His current trade value should be somewhere between Amani Toomer and Ted Ginn.

 

[Vykng]

Has the sky fallen yet?SELL!SELL!SELL!His current trade value should be somewhere between Amani Toomer and Ted Ginn.

Why would you sell after two bad weeks?

 

[Raider Nation]

Has the sky fallen yet?SELL!SELL!SELL!His current trade value should be somewhere between Amani Toomer and Ted Ginn.

Why would you sell after two bad weeks?

Because he has no QB?

 

[Knight who says Ni]

Has the sky fallen yet?SELL!SELL!SELL!His current trade value should be somewhere between Amani Toomer and Ted Ginn.

Why would you sell after two bad weeks?

Because he has no QB?

I think the point is, why sell when his value is at its lowest?

 

[Vykng]

Has the sky fallen yet?SELL!SELL!SELL!His current trade value should be somewhere between Amani Toomer and Ted Ginn.

Why would you sell after two bad weeks?

Because he has no QB?

I think the point is, why sell when his value is at its lowest?

Exactly.

 

[beavers]

Dreaming about what could have been if Brady didn't get hurt.

 

[mcd]

Has the sky fallen yet?SELL!SELL!SELL!His current trade value should be somewhere between Amani Toomer and Ted Ginn.

Why would you sell after two bad weeks?

Because he has no QB?

I think the point is, why sell when his value is at its lowest?

Exactly.

Because at the moment, there are still owners in denial & Moss still has name recognition. Give it a few more weeks & Moss may not get you a top 20 WR.

 

[Vykng]

Has the sky fallen yet?SELL!SELL!SELL!His current trade value should be somewhere between Amani Toomer and Ted Ginn.

Why would you sell after two bad weeks?

Because he has no QB?

I think the point is, why sell when his value is at its lowest?

Exactly.

Because at the moment, there are still owners in denial & Moss still has name recognition. Give it a few more weeks & Moss may not get you a top 20 WR.

Really you think so? I really don't buy that. Anyone with half a fantasy football mind will know that it's all down hill.

 

[fasteddie_21]

Just moved him w/ garrard & LJ for JStew, Boldin and Edwards.I'm happy since Moss really is an enigma, wrapped in bacon, going forward, imo.

Pretty much saw this coming. Gotta be ahead of the curve here fellas.

 

[Raider Nation]

Has the sky fallen yet?SELL!SELL!SELL!His current trade value should be somewhere between Amani Toomer and Ted Ginn.

Why would you sell after two bad weeks?

Because he has no QB?

I think the point is, why sell when his value is at its lowest?

Exactly.

Because at the moment, there are still owners in denial & Moss still has name recognition. Give it a few more weeks & Moss may not get you a top 20 WR.

Really you think so? I really don't buy that. Anyone with half a fantasy football mind will know that it's all down hill.

It will be hard to move him now anyway. Moss owners are really in a no-win situation. You'll never get what you deem to be "fair value" for him, and I don't even see how you can put him in your lineup until he shows something.

 

[The Ghost of Common]

I got Wayne for him straight up right after Brady went down with an injury.

The owner I traded him to thought I was overreacting and told me to react.

and then something inside me said: Get Greg Camarillo active

 

[mcd]

Has the sky fallen yet?SELL!SELL!SELL!His current trade value should be somewhere between Amani Toomer and Ted Ginn.

Why would you sell after two bad weeks?

Because he has no QB?

I think the point is, why sell when his value is at its lowest?

Exactly.

Because at the moment, there are still owners in denial & Moss still has name recognition. Give it a few more weeks & Moss may not get you a top 20 WR.

Really you think so? I really don't buy that. Anyone with half a fantasy football mind will know that it's all down hill.

Well, anyone with half a mind would have traded Moss the week Brady went down. There were quite a few "sharks" in this thread laughing at the idea that Moss ' value would drop below that of a WR #1. There are still owners who would take him.

 

[two_dollars]

I might just be hoping, but he will remain in my lineup as my WR3 as we start 3 WR's. I honestly think this game HELPS him in the long run, because now they HAVE to make a change at QB and get a Vet in there who can throw more than 15 yards downfield.

 

[scerpico22]

Wow, without Brady you wouldn't even know that Moss is on the team.

Is it time to bench him until the offense gets turned around in NE?

2 for 22 last week

4 for 25 this week

ouch!!!!