Randy Moss (1 Viewer)

[CrossEyed]

Can this guy even be started until we see something in Oakland? I keep remembering the 2 TD performance in the preseason and it gives me some hope, but was that strictly due to a vanilla D? Moss owners, are you keeping him in your lineup?

 

[Sheriff66]

Can this guy even be started until we see something in Oakland? I keep remembering the 2 TD performance in the preseason and it gives me some hope, but was that strictly due to a vanilla D? Moss owners, are you keeping him in your lineup?

 

[Frenchy Fuqua]

If Moss is healthy he will produce. As bad as the Raiders O-line and QB play was last week Moss still had 4 catches. I doubt it can get much worse, unless Moss implodes.

 

[Hue G]

Can this guy even be started until we see something in Oakland? I keep remembering the 2 TD performance in the preseason and it gives me some hope, but was that strictly due to a vanilla D? Moss owners, are you keeping him in your lineup?

I'm playing Donald Driver over him this week, I can't even imagine what the Raven's D is going to do to Oakland!!!

 

[Sheriff66]

If Moss is healthy he will produce. As bad as the Raiders O-line and QB play was last week Moss still had 4 catches. I doubt it can get much worse, unless Moss implodes.

He was already talking last week, after watching that debacle on MNF, I'm sure he will at any moment...

 

[Redwes25]

I will keep him in my lineup. I do have my concerns especially with this weeks game but his ability to explode for a big game means I can't put him on my bench for my WR 4. He also did get of looks from Brooks when he did have time to throw.

If people are still high on him I do think he is a good buy low candidate after this weeks game with Baltimore. I think Oakland will look horrible again and you might be able to get him very cheap.

 

[mojorizin]

I shudder to think about it, but I have both Fitz and Boldin and am thinking seriously about offering Boldin up for him. Moss owner finished dead last in points last week and is extremely edgy - he'll get edgier by Sunday afternoon.

 

[NYCGangGreen]

I shudder to think about it, but I have both Fitz and Boldin and am thinking seriously about offering Boldin up for him. Moss owner finished dead last in points last week and is extremely edgy - he'll get edgier by Sunday afternoon.

you should be able to get him for much less than Boldin if he has another down week. I am however in the minority that thinks Randy will do just fine this year, partially in fact because he will have to, with it being a contract year and all. He will want out of Oakland so bad by the seasons end , i look for a solid year out of him to help him achieve the payday he warrants and a new home for next year. I am worried about the offensive line, but i see Lamont Jordans numbers taking a much bigger hit than Randy's.

 

[mojorizin]

I shudder to think about it, but I have both Fitz and Boldin and am thinking seriously about offering Boldin up for him. Moss owner finished dead last in points last week and is extremely edgy - he'll get edgier by Sunday afternoon.

you should be able to get him for much less than Boldin if he has another down week. I am however in the minority that thinks Randy will do just fine this year, partially in fact because he will have to, with it being a contract year and all. He will want out of Oakland so bad by the seasons end , i look for a solid year out of him to help him achieve the payday he warrants and a new home for next year. I am worried about the offensive line, but i see Lamont Jordans numbers taking a much bigger hit than Randy's.

I would feel much better about Moss if he was more in the TO, Holt, Harrison, Ward vein in that come back situations necessitate him catching several balls and chewing up yards 10-20 at a time. He just isnt that type guy and I'm afraid he starts taking the entire 2nd half off.....often.

 

[5-ish Finkle]

I'm not so sure that Boldin isn't the better guy to have right now. That whole offense just looks lost. OL is bad. Brooks was terrible AND Shell's already shown he'll give him the hook.

I own Moss, and I have to believe he's not going to be a total loss, but these first two games are probably going to be brutal. And if his mouth starts up again.....

I share the concern that is he pouts enough he'll decided to mail in the 2nd half of losses. If he does that, I don't see me being able to deal him at all, if I decided to, at that stage.

 

[Mungo Burrows]

I shudder to think about it, but I have both Fitz and Boldin and am thinking seriously about offering Boldin up for him. Moss owner finished dead last in points last week and is extremely edgy - he'll get edgier by Sunday afternoon.

you should be able to get him for much less than Boldin if he has another down week. I am however in the minority that thinks Randy will do just fine this year, partially in fact because he will have to, with it being a contract year and all. He will want out of Oakland so bad by the seasons end , i look for a solid year out of him to help him achieve the payday he warrants and a new home for next year. I am worried about the offensive line, but i see Lamont Jordans numbers taking a much bigger hit than Randy's.

He's got some monstrous salaries coming up, so I guess every year could be considered a "contract year" but he's under contract for 2 more years after this one, and the raiders just might be dumb enough to pay a disgruntled WR $10-11 million a year.

Moss, Randy

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Player Info

Draft Info

WR (#18)

Year: 1998

Oakland Raiders

Round: 1

Charleston, WV

Position: 21

Salary History

1998 230000.00

1999 250000.00

2000 358000.00

2001 500000.00

2002 525000.00

2003 5000000.00

2004 5750000.00

2005 665000.00

2006 7500000.00

2007 9750000.00

2008 11250000.00

 

[mojorizin]

I'm not so sure that Boldin isn't the better guy to have right now. That whole offense just looks lost. OL is bad. Brooks was terrible AND Shell's already shown he'll give him the hook.I own Moss, and I have to believe he's not going to be a total loss, but these first two games are probably going to be brutal. And if his mouth starts up again.....

Definitely the attitude that worries me more than anything. I lean toward not making a trade as Boldin, even in a poor game is going to catch a few. I can see Moss disappearing wholly from games.

 

[Callas Disregard]

I shudder to think about it, but I have both Fitz and Boldin and am thinking seriously about offering Boldin up for him. Moss owner finished dead last in points last week and is extremely edgy - he'll get edgier by Sunday afternoon.

So you want to help the other out? I don't understand. Boldin was the better choice BEFORE week 1, and that continues to be true. I'd be loving life if I had Fitz and Boldin, and I'd take him from you in a heartbeat if you were foolish enough to offer him to me for Moss.

 

[sholditch]

I shudder to think about it, but I have both Fitz and Boldin and am thinking seriously about offering Boldin up for him. Moss owner finished dead last in points last week and is extremely edgy - he'll get edgier by Sunday afternoon.

you should be able to get him for much less than Boldin if he has another down week. I am however in the minority that thinks Randy will do just fine this year, partially in fact because he will have to, with it being a contract year and all. He will want out of Oakland so bad by the seasons end , i look for a solid year out of him to help him achieve the payday he warrants and a new home for next year. I am worried about the offensive line, but i see Lamont Jordans numbers taking a much bigger hit than Randy's.

WR production depends on four things, each of equal weight, IMO1. QB F2. WR A+3. O-Line F4. Playcalling Cso, even with his abilities, he won't be able to do crap this year. I'd be surprised if he broke 1k yards and six TDs. 1,3, and 4 need to drastically improve to change my projections.

 

[jurb26]

WR production depends on four things, each of equal weight, IMO1. QB F2. WR A+3. O-Line F4. Playcalling C

Hummm, I go1. QB C-, hard to really fault Brooks, who was running for his life all game.2. WR A+, Moss is still Moss.3. Oline F, Putrid comes to mind here.4. Playcalling F, Outdated and lost is how I would describe the Oak playcalling and scheme.

 

[jamil]

I shudder to think about it, but I have both Fitz and Boldin and am thinking seriously about offering Boldin up for him. Moss owner finished dead last in points last week and is extremely edgy - he'll get edgier by Sunday afternoon.

you should be able to get him for much less than Boldin if he has another down week. I am however in the minority that thinks Randy will do just fine this year, partially in fact because he will have to, with it being a contract year and all. He will want out of Oakland so bad by the seasons end , i look for a solid year out of him to help him achieve the payday he warrants and a new home for next year. I am worried about the offensive line, but i see Lamont Jordans numbers taking a much bigger hit than Randy's.

He's got some monstrous salaries coming up, so I guess every year could be considered a "contract year" but he's under contract for 2 more years after this one, and the raiders just might be dumb enough to pay a disgruntled WR $10-11 million a year.

Moss, Randy

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Player Info

Draft Info

WR (#18)

Year: 1998

Oakland Raiders

Round: 1

Charleston, WV

Position: 21

Salary History

1998 230000.00

1999 250000.00

2000 358000.00

2001 500000.00

2002 525000.00

2003 5000000.00

2004 5750000.00

2005 665000.00

2006 7500000.00

2007 9750000.00

2008 11250000.00

so many 0's

 

[Kiddnets]

He is benched on my squad - for a week anyway - I have mad WR depth -

Going with Santana Moss and D JAx - My all world WRs S Smith and R Moss on the bench!

 

[mojorizin]

I shudder to think about it, but I have both Fitz and Boldin and am thinking seriously about offering Boldin up for him. Moss owner finished dead last in points last week and is extremely edgy - he'll get edgier by Sunday afternoon.

So you want to help the other out? I don't understand. Boldin was the better choice BEFORE week 1, and that continues to be true. I'd be loving life if I had Fitz and Boldin, and I'd take him from you in a heartbeat if you were foolish enough to offer him to me for Moss.

There were a few RBs involved as well, but the gyst was diversifying from the AZ combo. Arizonas D looking shabby helps though. If they didnt suck, Boldin would have had the TD catch only last week. God I hate WRs.

 

[joffer]

WR production depends on four things, each of equal weight, IMO1. QB F2. WR A+3. O-Line F4. Playcalling C

Hummm, I go1. QB C-, hard to really fault Brooks, who was running for his life all game.2. WR A+, Moss is still Moss.3. Oline F, Putrid comes to mind here.4. Playcalling F, Outdated and lost is how I would describe the Oak playcalling and scheme.

so, Moss won't be the #1 WR this year?

 

[jurb26]

WR production depends on four things, each of equal weight, IMO1. QB F2. WR A+3. O-Line F4. Playcalling C

Hummm, I go1. QB C-, hard to really fault Brooks, who was running for his life all game.2. WR A+, Moss is still Moss.3. Oline F, Putrid comes to mind here.4. Playcalling F, Outdated and lost is how I would describe the Oak playcalling and scheme.

so, Moss won't be the #1 WR this year?

All of this can change in a weeks time. Most importatnly the playcalling IMO. Still too early to say. There really are no WRs that stand out right now as a favorite to be #1.

 

[Delusions Of Adequacy]

I believe in the 'always play your studs' philosophy. If you have Randy Moss, you play him. You sure don't sit him down for the likes of Donald Driver.

 

[comfortably numb]

I shudder to think about it, but I have both Fitz and Boldin and am thinking seriously about offering Boldin up for him. Moss owner finished dead last in points last week and is extremely edgy - he'll get edgier by Sunday afternoon.

you should be able to get him for much less than Boldin if he has another down week. I am however in the minority that thinks Randy will do just fine this year, partially in fact because he will have to, with it being a contract year and all. He will want out of Oakland so bad by the seasons end , i look for a solid year out of him to help him achieve the payday he warrants and a new home for next year. I am worried about the offensive line, but i see Lamont Jordans numbers taking a much bigger hit than Randy's.

WR production depends on four things, each of equal weight, IMO1. QB F

2. WR A+

3. O-Line F

4. Playcalling C

so, even with his abilities, he won't be able to do crap this year. I'd be surprised if he broke 1k yards and six TDs. 1,3, and 4 need to drastically improve to change my projections.

I will keep this post tabbed...Gutsy call to think Moss can't average 67 yds a game, and a TD every 3 games.

 

[NYCGangGreen]

I believe in the 'always play your studs' philosophy. If you have Randy Moss, you play him. You sure don't sit him down for the likes of Donald Driver.

Im with you, chances are you used a high draft pick to get him (rounds 1-3), you dont sit a player of his caliber anyways.....I look for Shell to chew the O-Line out this week and get them better prepared. Randy will get his this week. 8-120-1 is the line i see ( and hope for )

 

[Frenchy Fuqua]

The real issue as most have hit on is the QB and O-line. Surely the Raiders will have games that they will throw for 200-300 yards and score 10-20 points. Heck they will be down and have to throw in most games. Other than Moss (and Porter who's benched) what other proven, reliable WRs do the Raiders have? Alvis Whitted? Ronald Achilles Curry? Moss may not be a top 5 WR but I sure as heck wouldn't give him away at this point.

 

[ArcticEdge]

I have Moss on my team and really have no choice but to play him (3rd round). I fear that the Ravens will abuse Oakland as much if not more than San Diego did. Then it's Oaklands bye week. I imagine there will be a lot of trade offers for him then as the "sharks" will think they can steal him for Kevin Barlow or equivalency. Don't jump ship, the next 2 games are Cleveland then San Francisco. Moss will bounce back, don't panick and take the Barlow trade. My .

 

[Raider Nation]

I believe in the 'always play your studs' philosophy. If you have Randy Moss, you play him. You sure don't sit him down for the likes of Donald Driver.

Im with you, chances are you used a high draft pick to get him (rounds 1-3), you dont sit a player of his caliber

I disagree. As I mentioned in my thread yesterday about the Raiders, Moss has already become a spot starter until the offense shows me something. I will play him against non-elite defenses, but anyone playing him against the Ravens this week is high (if you have another decent option)... There is no question in my mind that I would start Driver at home against the Saints in a heartbeat over Moss in Baltimore. That's a no-brainer if there ever was one.I spent a 3rd round pick on Moss. At the time, I thought it was a steal. Now I regret it. Brooks is awful, the O-line is a mess, and our offensive coordinator is a punchline. As soon as Moss has a PRETTY GOOD game, I'm going to look to move him. Once this team gets to be 1-7 or 1-8 (and that is likely, given their schedule), Moss will lose all interest and then his owners will have to pray that he doesn't do something stupid like fake an injury, get suspended or play the game with complete disinterest.

I can only hope that he gets traded before the deadline in mid-October.

And mojo, with all due respect, you're NUTS if you want to give up Boldin for Moss.

 

[Sheriff66]

I shudder to think about it, but I have both Fitz and Boldin and am thinking seriously about offering Boldin up for him. Moss owner finished dead last in points last week and is extremely edgy - he'll get edgier by Sunday afternoon.

you should be able to get him for much less than Boldin if he has another down week. I am however in the minority that thinks Randy will do just fine this year, partially in fact because he will have to, with it being a contract year and all. He will want out of Oakland so bad by the seasons end , i look for a solid year out of him to help him achieve the payday he warrants and a new home for next year. I am worried about the offensive line, but i see Lamont Jordans numbers taking a much bigger hit than Randy's.

WR production depends on four things, each of equal weight, IMO1. QB F

2. WR A+

3. O-Line F

4. Playcalling C

so, even with his abilities, he won't be able to do crap this year. I'd be surprised if he broke 1k yards and six TDs. 1,3, and 4 need to drastically improve to change my projections.

The QB didn't have a chance, could have been Payton back there and got the same result...

 

[Chumpson]

There is no question in my mind that I would start Driver at home against the Saints in a heartbeat over Moss in Baltimore. That's a no-brainer if there ever was one.

I concur!

 

[toxicbees]

As long as Randy is in Oakland with crappy QBs and no O-Line, you can't expect much from him. I have the feeling we'll see lots of 4 catch 50 yard 0 td games from him this year.

 

[pizzatyme]

I think most of this is directly attributable to the offensive scheme. (pun intended)

These retread coaches are going to send the Raidas into a huge tailspin.

No change of QB would help this current situation.

I have downgraded all Raiders.

BTW mojo, I would take Boldin in a heartbeat!!!!!!

 

[Billy1x]

Good, if he would spend the time to run a freaken route instead of sprinting down the field on every play.

NO MORE OF THIS SEVEN STEP DROP GARBAGE!!!

 

[FreeBaGeL]

The only time the Raiders had any semblance of offense on Monday was when they went to Moss. They'll realize this soon enough.

 

[jurb26]

The only time the Raiders had any semblance of offense on Monday was when they went to Moss. They'll realize this soon enough.

Shussssssssssshhhhhhh.

 

[mojorizin]

I think most of this is directly attributable to the offensive scheme. (pun intended)These retread coaches are going to send the Raidas into a huge tailspin.No change of QB would help this current situation.I have downgraded all Raiders.BTW mojo, I would take Boldin in a heartbeat!!!!!!

I'm fixing to put that trade on the table just to spite you guys. "Did you want the running backs in this?""Hell no. You take Boldin dammit!"

 

[LivingTheDream]

Just traded Moss for:

Tatum Bell

Mike Bell

Derrick Mason

 

[dickey moe]

I believe in the 'always play your studs' philosophy. If you have Randy Moss, you play him. You sure don't sit him down for the likes of Donald Driver.

I'd argue that in the Raiders system, Randy Moss no longer qualifies as a stud.

 

[One]

One word for Moss in '06: Erratic

 

[Wally Cleaver]

I believe in the 'always play your studs' philosophy. If you have Randy Moss, you play him. You sure don't sit him down for the likes of Donald Driver.

I'd argue that in the Raiders system, Randy Moss no longer qualifies as a stud.

Unless this is truly is the worst team in the history of NFL they will find a way to give brooks enough time to get some passes off... it cant possibly stay this bad and that will probably mean leaving Lamont in to block more often which will take one key receiver away from Brooks but once they do this, a healthy Moss will be the major recipient of those passes. If Moss stays healthy, which is always a big if, he is going to have a big year!!!

 

[zoonation]

WR production depends on four things, each of equal weight, IMO1. QB F2. WR A+3. O-Line F4. Playcalling C

Hummm, I go1. QB C-, hard to really fault Brooks, who was running for his life all game.2. WR A+, Moss is still Moss.3. Oline F, Putrid comes to mind here.4. Playcalling F, Outdated and lost is how I would describe the Oak playcalling and scheme.

so, Moss won't be the #1 WR this year?

All of this can change in a weeks time. Most importatnly the playcalling IMO. Still too early to say. There really are no WRs that stand out right now as a favorite to be #1.

I'll take Fitz or Owens...if he plays 16.

 

[jurb26]

WR production depends on four things, each of equal weight, IMO1. QB F2. WR A+3. O-Line F4. Playcalling C

Hummm, I go1. QB C-, hard to really fault Brooks, who was running for his life all game.2. WR A+, Moss is still Moss.3. Oline F, Putrid comes to mind here.4. Playcalling F, Outdated and lost is how I would describe the Oak playcalling and scheme.

so, Moss won't be the #1 WR this year?

All of this can change in a weeks time. Most importatnly the playcalling IMO. Still too early to say. There really are no WRs that stand out right now as a favorite to be #1.

I'll take Fitz or Owens...if he plays 16.

Fitz is my guy too. Still, there is very little seperation at the top of the WR class this year.

 

[FairWarning]

I believe in the 'always play your studs' philosophy. If you have Randy Moss, you play him. You sure don't sit him down for the likes of Donald Driver.

Who said Randy Moss is a stud? Hasn't been for three years now.How anyone has Brooks rated higher than an F hasn't seen him the last 5 years. Raiders would've been better off with COllins in there (not by much though).

 

[Avery]

I believe in the 'always play your studs' philosophy. If you have Randy Moss, you play him. You sure don't sit him down for the likes of Donald Driver.

Who said Randy Moss is a stud? Hasn't been for three years now.How anyone has Brooks rated higher than an F hasn't seen him the last 5 years. Raiders would've been better off with COllins in there (not by much though).

Here's an important point many people miss. Seems simple but it is easily overlooked.NFL value does not necessarily equal fantasy value.

Arron Brooks QB ranking in fantasy points the last five years (standard Footballguys scoring):

2005: Ranked 16th (Horrific Katrina years for the Saints)

2004: Ranked 8th

2003: Ranked 5th

2002: Ranked 6th

2001: Ranked 6th

So, besides what can be considered an anomaly year last year, Brooks has consistently been a top 10 fantasy QB even on below average Saints teams.

 

[FairWarning]

I believe in the 'always play your studs' philosophy. If you have Randy Moss, you play him. You sure don't sit him down for the likes of Donald Driver.

Who said Randy Moss is a stud? Hasn't been for three years now.How anyone has Brooks rated higher than an F hasn't seen him the last 5 years. Raiders would've been better off with COllins in there (not by much though).

Here's an important point many people miss. Seems simple but it is easily overlooked.NFL value does not necessarily equal fantasy value.

Arron Brooks QB ranking in fantasy points the last five years (standard Footballguys scoring):

2005: Ranked 16th (Horrific Katrina years for the Saints)

2004: Ranked 8th

2003: Ranked 5th

2002: Ranked 6th

2001: Ranked 6th

So, besides what can be considered an anomaly year last year, Brooks has consistently been a top 10 fantasy QB even on below average Saints teams.

That is hard to believe. Lets say the Raiders go 0-6. Do they stay with Brooks?

 

[hellz_fireflies]

Don't have Moss thank the lord..but heard on the rumor mill that Oakland is trying to get Volek from Tenn.

gives Moss owners hope!

 

[LawFitz]

There really are no WRs that stand out right now as a favorite to be #1.

LARRY FITZ baby!!! Byyyyaaaaaaaaahhhhhh!

 

[amnesiac]

I have Moss on my team and really have no choice but to play him (3rd round). I fear that the Ravens will abuse Oakland as much if not more than San Diego did. Then it's Oaklands bye week. I imagine there will be a lot of trade offers for him then as the "sharks" will think they can steal him for Kevin Barlow or equivalency. Don't jump ship, the next 2 games are Cleveland then San Francisco. Moss will bounce back, don't panick and take the Barlow trade. My .

HA! i have Barlow, too!:championship:

 

[Raider Nation]

Don't have Moss thank the lord..but heard on the rumor mill that Oakland is trying to get Volek from Tenn.gives Moss owners hope!

That would be a major upset.Mort reported last night that he'll pretty much be able to unpack for good after the Titans/Chargers game in San Diego, as he is expected to be backing up Rivers as soon as week 3.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

Randy Moss, What's his value the rest of the year?

 

[Raider Nation]

Randy Moss, What's his value the rest of the year?

Hey, hey.... not so fast!He could always get traded.

 

[KevT]

I still see him finishing in the top 3...